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2018.10.30 12:00 - Dream Session: A Play within Being
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No headersAttending Dream Session today were the usual suspects. ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: Not waiting for Tura this week? :P
Eliza Madrigal: Am I sitting normally? I tried to turn off AO first this time
Agatha Macbeth: Yes
Agatha Macbeth: Peasky AOs
Agatha Macbeth: Pesky too
Eliza Madrigal: So Zen will be the test...he always sees me half in the ground no matter what
Agatha Macbeth: How odd
Eliza Madrigal nods
Agatha Macbeth: Better
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Now I have a nce open space behind you
Eliza Madrigal:Did you bring your homework? Guard it from the animals?
Agatha Macbeth: Oh
Agatha Macbeth: Er
Eliza Madrigal: if not, you have time... about ten minutes
Agatha Macbeth looks guilty
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: What was it?
Eliza Madrigal: "association"
Eliza Madrigal: associating out a dream image
Agatha Macbeth: Hm
Eliza Madrigal: could be past, recent
Agatha Macbeth: Image association then
Eliza Madrigal: yup
Eliza Madrigal: there is a mouse in the hedges...seems to have died....
Agatha Macbeth: Here?
Eliza Madrigal: yes am taking a photo
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Eliza Madrigal: Okay, whew, it isn't
Agatha Macbeth: Autumn leaves look lovely
Eliza Madrigal: I thought that would have been quite morbid
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh
Agatha Macbeth: Who does it belong to?
Eliza Madrigal: thankfully it is a trick of the eye
Agatha Macbeth: So not a mouse?
Eliza Madrigal: a bit of stone protruding from the hedges, but there seems to be a tail...
Eliza Madrigal: right
Agatha Macbeth: Weird
Happy Birthday to Aggers :)
Agatha Macbeth: Thanks for the birthday mention BTW :)
Eliza Madrigal: Most welcome! Did you have a lovely one?
Agatha Macbeth: Yep :)
Eliza Madrigal: Nice :))
Agatha Macbeth: Oh now to me that looks like a rock
Eliza Madrigal: It must be my mind that is morbid today
Agatha Macbeth: Stop thinking about Trump :p
Eliza Madrigal: :) I rarely think about him... but I think about all the people he and his are harming
Agatha Macbeth: Right
Eliza Madrigal: Riddle was writing thoughtfully in his session.... about putting oneself in others' shoes, or aspiring to
Eliza Madrigal: after years of practicing playing as Being
Agatha Macbeth: Empathy
Eliza Madrigal nods
Agatha Macbeth: Walk in my shoes
Eliza Madrigal: tough challenge
Agatha Macbeth: Specially with the heels I wear
Eliza Madrigal: They seem sturdy enough ^.^
Agatha Macbeth: Can give one vertigo
Eliza Madrigal: What do you think your primary motivation is in life? Or do you think like that?
Agatha Macbeth: To breathe ;-)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: And hopefully go on doing it
Agatha Macbeth: Hey Rid :)
Eliza Madrigal: and doing it well :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi thoughtful Riddle
Riddle Sideways: ?
Riddle Sideways: Hello
Agatha Macbeth smiles
Agatha Macbeth: Yay Zenny
Riddle Sideways: oh, Eliza has been reading
Riddle Sideways: Hey Zen
Agatha Macbeth: She has
Eliza Madrigal: was beginning to read today's logs you posted, yes
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zen :)
Riddle Sideways: good don't read the ending
Agatha Macbeth: You remembered then hour Zen woot
Eliza Madrigal: I may have started at the ending
Riddle Sideways: giggles
Agatha Macbeth: Open other end
Zen (Zen Arado): Hi everybody
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Like manga
Eliza Madrigal: How is your schedule today Zen?
Eliza Madrigal: You reminded me, but I forgot to send a reminder notice an hour early today
Zen (Zen Arado): My schedule?
Eliza Madrigal: well, carers. Are they back to normal routine?
Zen (Zen Arado): I don't know but being an hour earlier
Zen (Zen Arado): makes it easy
Agatha Macbeth: Yay
Eliza Madrigal: so at least we won't worry today :)
Riddle Sideways: ah, your time has changed before ours
Zen (Zen Arado): should be fine today
Agatha Macbeth: As it does
Riddle Sideways: before U.S.ens
Eliza Madrigal: I always thought we were first
Agatha Macbeth: In the spring yes
Agatha Macbeth: Later in autumn
Eliza Madrigal: aha
Agatha Macbeth: Oho
Riddle Sideways: y'all Fall before US'ns
Eliza Madrigal: you are doing away with the change soon though, I think? I remember reading something
Agatha Macbeth: Yep
Agatha Macbeth: No idea
Zen (Zen Arado): I certainly hope so
Agatha Macbeth: Don't even know if we're still in the EU
Eliza Madrigal: dizzying
Agatha Macbeth: What a mess
Agatha Macbeth: Bloody Tories
Agatha Macbeth: Tura :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Tura :)
Tura Brezoianu: hi all
Agatha Macbeth: Tura lura lura
Zen (Zen Arado): tired of hearing about it Brexit Brexit...
Eliza Madrigal: Apologies for not sending out an earlier reminder today Tura
Agatha Macbeth: Me too
Zen (Zen Arado): Hi Tura
Eliza Madrigal: But Irish president sounds worth hearing?
Agatha Macbeth: Oops
Eliza Madrigal: I think Riddle has been having computer issues :/
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Eliza Madrigal: wb Riddle
Agatha Macbeth: Need a wee fore we start BRB
Zen (Zen Arado): we never hear much from him
Eliza Madrigal grins at the wording of Agatha's announcement
Eliza Madrigal: brb door
Eliza Madrigal: nevermind, just barking at nothing
Zen (Zen Arado): fireworks?
Eliza Madrigal: :) as one does
Eliza Madrigal: someone walking by I guess
Zen (Zen Arado): Maybe that's only here
Riddle Sideways: back, and probably will crash again later
Eliza Madrigal: computer issues Riddle?
Zen (Zen Arado): I lost my Internet this afternoon
Riddle Sideways: YES!!!!!!!
Zen (Zen Arado): I was trying to get Wi-Fi extender to work
Eliza Madrigal: :(
Riddle Sideways: both overheat on SL now
Zen (Zen Arado): but I got it back again
Eliza Madrigal: that's terrible
Zen (Zen Arado): I feel so lost without Internet
Riddle Sideways: anybody remember back when that was not the case
Eliza Madrigal: barely
Agatha Macbeth: Back
Tura Brezoianu: What did we do in those days?
Eliza Madrigal: wb Agatha :)
Eliza Madrigal: I think I got into more trouble
Agatha Macbeth: Hehe
Zen (Zen Arado): I remember having three-day weeks of power in the 70s
Zen (Zen Arado): sitting with candles
Agatha Macbeth: Me too
Zen (Zen Arado): I think the Internet loss would be the worst now
Eliza Madrigal: would be too isolating
Eliza Madrigal: I could do with more breaks from it though
Riddle Sideways: families having to chat with each other
Zen (Zen Arado): too everything
Eliza Madrigal: families chat through the internet now!
Eliza Madrigal: facetime, etc
Riddle Sideways: right
Eliza Madrigal: would take 1 year for presidential tweet to reach anyone, hha
Riddle Sideways: oooo
Eliza Madrigal: tempting :)
Agatha Macbeth: And then most would ignore it anyway
Eliza Madrigal: Sigh :) Okay, who brought homework?
Agatha Macbeth hides
Riddle Sideways looks at toes
Eliza Madrigal: I gave you ten minutes Agatha, surely you made something? :)))
Agatha Macbeth: Um
Agatha Macbeth: A mess maybe
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: I did this exercise again, but not much more elaborate. I'm okay with moving to the next step if everyone likes
Eliza Madrigal: Or were there other dreams to share?
Tura Brezoianu: I haven't had anything coherent enough
Eliza Madrigal: busy time, Tura?
Zen (Zen Arado): the more we tend our dreams the more we get back from them
Agatha Macbeth: Coherency is overrated IMO
Tura Brezoianu: I'm sure there was a long dream last night, but I could only hang onto vague fragments
Zen (Zen Arado): I was wondering what people got from the Association exercise
Riddle Sideways: did get to combing through journal, but did nto come up with a good homework one
Eliza Madrigal: fragments are enough to note
Riddle Sideways: Association
Eliza Madrigal: Did you find patterns when combing?
Riddle Sideways: no
Zen (Zen Arado): doesn't anyone find the same dreams turning up?
Eliza Madrigal: hm, because that would seem a way of associating too, just not in as organized a way
Eliza Madrigal: I definitely have distinct patterns
Riddle Sideways: except that most dreams end in a cat stepping on
Zen (Zen Arado): Dreams in the same location or about the same subject?
Agatha Macbeth: ^.^
Eliza Madrigal: And Tura has traveling dreams... that was one I think
Eliza Madrigal: sometimes I'm sure there are places I only visit in dreaming
Zen (Zen Arado): I could nearly make a list of my main cream topics now, I must try that
Zen (Zen Arado): dream
Agatha Macbeth likes cream
Eliza Madrigal: I'd call that association, Zen
Zen (Zen Arado): :-)
Riddle Sideways: cream o the crop
Agatha Macbeth: Ar
Tura Brezoianu: yes, things going wrong when travelling
Eliza Madrigal nods
Eliza Madrigal: Do you call 'thinking loud' dreams, dreams?
Eliza Madrigal: sometimes I wake myself thinking especially loud
Agatha Macbeth: Really?
Agatha Macbeth: Alma :)
Eliza Madrigal nods, I did it the other night
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Alma :)
Zen (Zen Arado): I have open University tutorials, summer schools, driving and Formula One cars, back at work in the power station, guitars
Riddle Sideways: had a loud yelling dream that did not awaken
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): hi Agatha, Eliza, Riddle, Tura, Zen
Zen (Zen Arado): and dog of course
Riddle Sideways: Hey Alma
Zen (Zen Arado): hi Alma
Eliza Madrigal: I woke thinking that facts are very small, and that stories about them are very big, and that people trade in stories/illusions, like balloons, with tiny tiny facts holding them together
Eliza Madrigal: :) weird
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): sorry I am late
Eliza Madrigal: no worries, glad you made it Alma
Agatha Macbeth: Or sometimes no facts at all
Eliza Madrigal: in dreams these thoughts seem very important
Riddle Sideways: not weird Eliza, POTUS says facts are not real nor big
Eliza Madrigal: ;-)
Zen (Zen Arado): big stories small facts
Eliza Madrigal laughs
Agatha Macbeth: POTUS?
Riddle Sideways: Mr.T
Agatha Macbeth: Oh
Agatha Macbeth: I won't ask
Tura Brezoianu: President Of The US
Riddle Sideways: pres of the us
Agatha Macbeth: We had Mrs T you have Mr T
Eliza Madrigal: SCOTUS = supreme court of the united states
Eliza Madrigal: fun facts
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): FLOTUS = first lady of the US, etc. etc
Agatha Macbeth: True
Riddle Sideways: why is anachronism such a big work?
Agatha Macbeth: Is there an ANUS?
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): Yes, he's in the White house
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Zen (Zen Arado): :-)
Agatha Macbeth: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Agatha Macbeth: LOVE IT
Eliza Madrigal: Alma, did you work with the homework? We're wondering whether to move to the next step
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I didn't get around to working with associations this week :(
Eliza Madrigal: 'tis okay!
Agatha Macbeth: Tis
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I think I will have more time in the next few weeks
Eliza Madrigal: I wrote out a dream from a very busy week of dreaming, but it is long so I'll just link it to the session after
Riddle Sideways: might have gotten close to a lucid dream
Eliza Madrigal: yay
Zen (Zen Arado): that's great you can remember
Eliza Madrigal listens
Agatha Macbeth: Ooh
Riddle Sideways: 2.(lucid?) a group study or ceremony trying hard to read some unfamiliar papers. the first speaker could not do it. Became my turn. Standing up and starting to read. the hand writing was too hard to read. stumbled on 3rd word and it would not come into focus. thought this could be a dream, because was told reading a page was hard in a dream. woke-drifted at an edge with that thought and trying to read for some long time. Later made a mental note of how that felt.
Riddle Sideways: maybe got near that edge
Riddle Sideways: done
Eliza Madrigal: definitely
Zen (Zen Arado): how did you feel?
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): sounds like it came right up to the edge of lucidity
Riddle Sideways: maybe started noting a dream sign
Riddle Sideways: and stayed asleep
Riddle Sideways: maybe
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): yes, difficulty reading is a good dream sign
Zen (Zen Arado): nods
Riddle Sideways: ok, back to Eliza sharing
Eliza Madrigal: you noticed, and then you kept working at it
Riddle Sideways: softly
Eliza Madrigal: so actually it seems like you lingered a little
Eliza Madrigal: I'd love for us all to sort of move into lucidity together :)
Zen (Zen Arado): I was wondering what part feelings play in triggering lucidity
Eliza Madrigal: good question, intuitions?
Zen (Zen Arado): if you felt really worried in a situation you might want to escape it
Zen (Zen Arado): "you might just wake up
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I often feel frustrated in dream situations, where things don't work the way I think they should
Riddle Sideways: just a feeling that logic is not playing well here and staying with it
Eliza Madrigal: that's insightful
Zen (Zen Arado): I think the author of the dream tending book tries to get us to focus more on the emotions and not just rational interpretation
Riddle Sideways: just like how fun it is in RL to watch logic not work
Tura Brezoianu: I've had some nightmares in which I became lucid, and immediately struggled to wake up. It's like struggling out of being buried underground.
Zen (Zen Arado): nods
Eliza Madrigal: sounds similar to sleep paralysis
Riddle Sideways: oh yeah that, Tura
Eliza Madrigal: feel like you're layers deep?
Riddle Sideways: like many blankets over yer head
Zen (Zen Arado): I would hate that
Zen (Zen Arado): I wonder do we have less frightening dreams and nightmares as we get older
Zen (Zen Arado): children seem to have nightmares more?
Agatha Macbeth: Hopefully
Tura Brezoianu: yes, or maybe deep under water. I sort of will myself to awake.
Tura Brezoianu: I think I'm just less frightened of them now.
Eliza Madrigal: but if you had a dream like that, recurring, you can learn to sort of breathe more space into it
Riddle Sideways: good to know there is that control to awake
Riddle Sideways: anytime
Riddle Sideways: now need to fight it
Zen (Zen Arado): I also wonder I have a really frightening dreams but forget that as soon as I wake up
Riddle Sideways: think that too Zen
Zen (Zen Arado): the worst dream I have and it recurs
Riddle Sideways: when young, a mom comes running at a scream of a nightmare
Riddle Sideways: and makes a big deal
Riddle Sideways: or not
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Zen (Zen Arado): is a feeling of loneliness, as if I am all alone in the world, totally cut off from everyone
Eliza Madrigal: that sounds terrible Zen :(
Zen (Zen Arado): Anyone get that one?
Riddle Sideways: early loss of wifi dreams
Riddle Sideways: not had one of those in years
Zen (Zen Arado): being cut off from the tribe and Alone is probably one of our most deep-seated fears?
Eliza Madrigal: I wouldn't describe it that way, no... seems distinct Zen
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I had one sort of like that many years ago
Eliza Madrigal: I feel that way in waking life sometimes... felt it most when 6 years old and my great grandmother died
Eliza Madrigal: abandonment
Zen (Zen Arado): nods
Riddle Sideways: the why did she leave
Eliza Madrigal nods, 'take me'
Eliza Madrigal: do you relate it to anything happening Zen?
Zen (Zen Arado): no not really
Zen (Zen Arado): I think I felt more lonely when I was young than I do now
Zen (Zen Arado): I heard on the news lately that there is an epidemic of loneliness with young people and their teens and 20s
Eliza Madrigal nods
Zen (Zen Arado): despite all of the smart phones and Facebook and social media et cetera
Eliza Madrigal: and older people
Riddle Sideways: alone-ness - depression - suicides
Riddle Sideways: all on the rise
Zen (Zen Arado): it's interesting to read the statistics
Zen (Zen Arado): more people dying from drug overdoses, obesity et cetera than in any wars or terrorist attacks
Eliza Madrigal: I'm glad people are able to say, "this is happening, and it is real"
Zen (Zen Arado): 70,000 die each year in the US alone from drug overdoses
Agatha Macbeth: Good grief
Riddle Sideways: grief is right
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh
Zen (Zen Arado): Harare is great on this
Zen (Zen Arado): maybe we are better not knowing :-)
Eliza Madrigal: not to segue too sharply, but that's part of why contemplative practices, including dream practices are so needed...as mainstream knowledge
Agatha Macbeth: Was wondering where Zimbabwe comes into it
Eliza Madrigal: Sometimes dreaming is also counter-intuitive. You're in a dream and something weird or wrong is happening, that should not be, but you don't feel like you should feel ...and you can look at it differently
Eliza Madrigal: precisely because whatever it is that causes you to panic in a normal situation may be tamer
Zen (Zen Arado): sometimes I get dreams completely out of the blue with nothing relating to my life in the present at all apparently
Zen (Zen Arado): I might be back in the game of thrones era
Agatha Macbeth: 0.0
Eliza Madrigal: @@
Riddle Sideways: do that all the time, Zen
Zen (Zen Arado): I wonder if I'm getting something from my ancestors or something like that
Riddle Sideways: no context
Zen (Zen Arado): do you think that this possible?
Eliza Madrigal: think it is neat question
Zen (Zen Arado): I don't watch the TV series or anything like that
Agatha Macbeth: Extended muscle memory?
Eliza Madrigal: do you have certain roles?
Zen (Zen Arado): I had a dream last week where I was up on a hill side
Zen (Zen Arado): and I was almost naked or dressed in rags
Zen (Zen Arado): and people were coming up the hill to attack me
Zen (Zen Arado): so I started throwing stones at things at them
Zen (Zen Arado): done
Eliza Madrigal: that does seem out of the blue for your normal life!
Zen (Zen Arado): maybe I just feel under attack something in my real life :-)
Eliza Madrigal: Are yours similar, Riddle?
Riddle Sideways: well, a lot of underdressed ones
Riddle Sideways: missing sock
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: game of thrones socks?
Riddle Sideways: oh here is one.
Riddle Sideways: 3.car going back to get|return something runs out of gas|quits. start walking with the old and new dogs. new dog had a shot in leg, but was not recovering until carried on back by front legs over shoulder. then the medicine flowed to body and it got better.
the old dirt road (Hitchcott Hill rd.?) started just a ways off, so walked through harvested cornfield. young dog was better so let it down. it took off happy to run again. Not sure if it knew about roads and cars, plus it was getting far away. tried to yell as loud as possible, but could not remember it's name correctly. It came to Sossity, so that became it's name.
Went up the hill and at the top the shortcut ended in a cliff into a gravel pit or construction. found the road, but it ended at the cliff with pavement sections falling into the pit. Saw-found a way down. the people there really liked the dogs. they showed an easy way back out with ladders. However, I was not to tell anybody about the monks that lived here.
Zen (Zen Arado): :-)
Riddle Sideways: only ref in there is a dirt road seen once
Eliza Madrigal: corn fields...
Eliza Madrigal: feels vivid, like there is weather in it
Eliza Madrigal wonder about old and new dogs :)
Zen (Zen Arado): we get so attached to dogs and have an underlying fear we will lose them?
Agatha Macbeth: People too
Riddle Sideways: sorry, that was not about being naked and late for class
Eliza Madrigal: no, no socks
Agatha Macbeth: Was still good
Eliza Madrigal nods
Zen (Zen Arado): The monks bit seems strange
Zen (Zen Arado): did you see the monks?
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe they were getting away from it all
Riddle Sideways: maybe not monks, because they lived under the hill
Agatha Macbeth: Like Monte Senario
Eliza Madrigal: these are ideas that could spark short stories or novels... hidden monks, or monk-like persons you weren't to tell anyone of
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): Fairy folk
Agatha Macbeth: Servites
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Zen (Zen Arado): Monks living in wild places quite common Asian countries
Agatha Macbeth: Yep
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): Tibetan monks in caves
Zen (Zen Arado): living alone in little huts, or maybe that was years ago and not now
Agatha Macbeth: Plato should have been a monk
Eliza Madrigal: for a while quite a few in SL :)
Zen (Zen Arado): my Zen teacher lived in a cave for six months in Thailand I think
Zen (Zen Arado): when he was young
Agatha Macbeth: No internet?
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I had a dream about a Zen teacher a couple of nights ago
Riddle Sideways listens
Eliza Madrigal: Oh?
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I'm a new student at a Zen meditation center. I am here for the first time. Something had prompted me to try coming here. I'm going to be given my very first lesson in Zen archery. There is a piece of wood that is used in holding the bow, and they are trying to figure out how long that piece of wood should be for me. The teacher seems friendly and supportive. He measures my arm, and then tells them that I should use a smaller piece of wood than what they had picked out for me. There is a girl who has been taking archery lessons for a while and has become very good at it. She aims an arrow at a target. The target is standing sideways to her, so that she is facing its edge. She shoots her arrow, and amazingly it strikes the edge of the target perfectly and sticks in place. I have a sense of anticipation, and a feeling that coming to this Zen center could be a very significant and positive step for me to take.
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): end
Zen (Zen Arado): interesting
Zen (Zen Arado): there is a book on that I'm sure you know
Eliza Madrigal: wonderful dream, very harry potter feeling
Zen (Zen Arado): it's all about the moment when you let go of the arrow
Zen (Zen Arado): you shouldn't be able to sense that something should come from deep within, something like that
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I want to work some with this dream, but haven't had time yet
Agatha Macbeth: Reminds me of Kwai Chang
Zen (Zen Arado): knowing when to let go
Zen (Zen Arado): this is a big topic for me
Eliza Madrigal: trying to remember the word for the practice... just came up in a book I was reading... kyudo?
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): yes, Kyudo
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Zen (Zen Arado): how much you should let things flow and how much you should work to change things
Agatha Macbeth: BIG question
Zen (Zen Arado): the book is called Zen and the Art of archery or something like that
Tura Brezoianu: yes, Eugen Herrigel
Eliza Madrigal: "the way of the bow"
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): yes, I've heard of it. haven't ever read it
Zen (Zen Arado): me neither
Agatha Macbeth: As distinct from motorcycle maintenance
Riddle Sideways: need a book "Letting go of Big questions, for dummies"
Zen (Zen Arado): :-)
Agatha Macbeth: If you do get me one too
Zen (Zen Arado): getting out of your own way
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): the dream had a positive feeling, like coming into a place as a complete beginner and feeling welcomed and supported
Agatha Macbeth: Absolute beginners
Riddle Sideways: Beginner Mind
Eliza Madrigal: important dream perhaps
Zen (Zen Arado): yes
Zen (Zen Arado): I must get that book
We reached 1pm and were still quite enthralled, so continued a while...
Eliza Madrigal: Zen, are we ready to move on to the next step of the practice?
Zen (Zen Arado): sure if you want to
Eliza Madrigal: all in?
Eliza Madrigal looks around
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala) nods
Agatha Macbeth: Yup
Zen (Zen Arado): amplification
Agatha Macbeth: Hopefully will do better than with 1st
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Zen (Zen Arado): 'Once you have completed the process of association, you are ready to give amplification a try. In this method, you correlate the dream image to symbols, archetypes, and figures from mythology, fairy tales, literature, theater, and other forms of cultural expression. You are looking for universal themes that connect to the dream image. For example, the image of a horse may be related to the mythological flying horse, Pegasus, or Burak, the eagle-winged horse that carried Mohammed on his journey to heaven. The dream image of an ocean may be amplified into the Source of Life or the place of the Night Sea Journey.
Zen (Zen Arado): There is no limit to how many archetypes the image can be amplified into. You may find that your dream images relate to an ancient Japanese myth as well as a modern Hollywood movie, to a poem from Medieval Spain as well as the poetry of a pop song. These amplifications are not contradictory; rather, they weave together to form a rich and complex understanding of the dream image. You might continue to discover the image’s network of archetypal connections for many years, always deepening your intimacy with it. For now, write in your dream journal what you have learned about the image through the process of amplification. How does this expanded view of the image offer insight into your present life circumstances?'
Agatha Macbeth: Very Jungian
Zen (Zen Arado): Aizenstat, Stephen. Dream Tending: Awakening to the Healing Power of Dreams (pp. 22-23). Spring Journal, Inc.. Kindle Edition
Eliza Madrigal: oooo
Zen (Zen Arado): yes I think this is quite difficult
Zen (Zen Arado): I don't have much familiarity with Jung
Zen (Zen Arado): and archetypes
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): google could be a big help with this
Eliza Madrigal: perhaps we just need to work with it lightly
Agatha Macbeth: Oh he's good
Zen (Zen Arado): yes
Eliza Madrigal: will definitely consult google :)
Eliza Madrigal: thanks Zen
Riddle Sideways: thanks
Zen (Zen Arado): is Game of thrones an archetype?
Agatha Macbeth: Or duckduckgo
Zen (Zen Arado): :-)
Eliza Madrigal: hm
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): TV dramas and movies often tap into archetypal themes
Eliza Madrigal: can a whole world be an archetype?
Eliza Madrigal: true
Agatha Macbeth: Can an archetype be a whole world come to that
Zen (Zen Arado): "Better call Saul" archetype
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Tarsus?
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): there is a Tarot card called The World - an archetype of wholeness and completion
Agatha Macbeth: Right
Zen (Zen Arado): do movies use archetypes?
Eliza Madrigal: nice link
Agatha Macbeth: Oh certainly
Agatha Macbeth: Books too
Agatha Macbeth: Music
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): yes they do Zen, though not always very skillfully
Eliza Madrigal nods
Agatha Macbeth: Much everyting if fact
Zen (Zen Arado): yes it says that in the text
Agatha Macbeth: Which is probably why they're archetypes eh
Agatha Macbeth: Cos they rule
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal saw the live-to-theater version of King Lear last weekend... so potent... one feeling the fragility of life by experiencing a character rather than thinking about it all directly
Agatha Macbeth: Oh I'm jealous now
Eliza Madrigal: still going on I think... live from closer to you! :)
Zen (Zen Arado): is that the play where the king has two daughters and he doesn't know who to leave his money to?
Eliza Madrigal: three daughters
Eliza Madrigal: two which flatter him
Zen (Zen Arado): ah
Agatha Macbeth: I still like Macbeth best
Eliza Madrigal: Ian McKellan(sp?) playing Lear... swoon
Agatha Macbeth: Woot
Eliza Madrigal laughs
Agatha Macbeth: Makes a change from Gandalf
Agatha Macbeth: 'You shall not pass'
Zen (Zen Arado): Shakespeare plays would be a good source of archetypes
Riddle Sideways: amazed to hear Harry Potter books are 20 years old
Agatha Macbeth: Totally
Eliza Madrigal: these are all characters in our collective psyche
Zen (Zen Arado): yes
Eliza Madrigal: 20... goodness
Zen (Zen Arado): to be or not to be...
Riddle Sideways: that ain't a good question
Eliza Madrigal: better ...what dreams may come....
Agatha Macbeth: Yea
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): a midsummer night's dream
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Agatha Macbeth: Midsummer night's dream session
Zen (Zen Arado): I'm sure Shakespeare was interested in dreams
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): certainly
Agatha Macbeth: Certainly
Agatha Macbeth: Snap
Eliza Madrigal: sometimes a dream is the play within play
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): :)
Riddle Sideways: hmmm, a Play within Being
Agatha Macbeth: Spiegel im spiegel
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Eliza Madrigal: seems especially hard to pull myself away from your company today
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Always is
Zen (Zen Arado): does he mean to use the same dream For all the techniques?
Agatha Macbeth: How's George?
Zen (Zen Arado): wonders what archetypes I can get from walking my dog :-)
Eliza Madrigal: I think he just wants us to use something that compells us
Riddle Sideways: thatz it, George will bring her out
Agatha Macbeth: Woof
Eliza Madrigal: George is hiding somewhere today :)
Agatha Macbeth: Under the bed?
Eliza Madrigal: probably, with all the socks
Eliza Madrigal: that's where Riddle should look next time
Agatha Macbeth: Oh my
Riddle Sideways: yes
Riddle Sideways: oh remember seeing The Karamazov Brothers do The Brothers Karamazov
Riddle Sideways: juggling through it
Eliza Madrigal: !
Agatha Macbeth: Typecast
Zen (Zen Arado): I should read more classical literature
Eliza Madrigal tries to imagine
Zen (Zen Arado): instead of trashy novels
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: I've been trying to finish Dr Zhivago for ages
Eliza Madrigal: nah, room for both in life?
Eliza Madrigal: keep putting it down, Agatha?
Agatha Macbeth: No, just don't keep picking it up
Eliza Madrigal: :)) like me with Infinite Jest
Agatha Macbeth: Hm
Agatha Macbeth: Dunno it
Eliza Madrigal: I want to want to read it
Eliza Madrigal: and get 1/3 of the way through each time
Agatha Macbeth: And I *will* watch Il Mare one of these days
Agatha Macbeth: Promise
Eliza Madrigal: yeah yeah
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh
Tura Brezoianu: If only we could deliberately want things!
Agatha Macbeth: I'll tell Gaya when I do :p
Eliza Madrigal: Right, Tura! I have a list of things that would be better to want
Eliza Madrigal: especially food items :)
Eliza Madrigal: Okay, let's go ((((friends)))))
Agatha Macbeth sighs
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh gotta eat
Eliza Madrigal bows
Eliza Madrigal: thank you
Agatha Macbeth: Got the log?
Eliza Madrigal: getting it now... almost forgot, ty
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): bye all, till next time
Agatha Macbeth: The lady with the log
Eliza Madrigal: bye for now!
Zen (Zen Arado): thanks everyone
Zen (Zen Arado): byee
Agatha Macbeth: TC all
Agatha Macbeth: BFN
Agatha Macbeth: Be well Rid
Eliza Madrigal: thank you :)
Tura Brezoianu: bye all
Agatha Macbeth: TC Tu
Eliza Madrigal: nite Tura :)
Agatha Macbeth: You have one shoe on Liz
Eliza Madrigal: I do?
Agatha Macbeth: Looks like it
Agatha Macbeth: Dress covers it muchly
Eliza Madrigal sings, Some dayyy my prince will come...
Agatha Macbeth: But when you move
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh
Agatha Macbeth: On a horse
Eliza Madrigal: :) archetypically
Agatha Macbeth: Abso bally lutely
Agatha Macbeth: Be well Rid
Eliza Madrigal: thank you :)
Tura Brezoianu: bye all
Agatha Macbeth: TC Tu
Eliza Madrigal: nite Tura :)
Agatha Macbeth: Log OK?
Eliza Madrigal: yes I think I have it now
Agatha Macbeth: Okies
Eliza Madrigal: I was trying to paste it directly to the wiki
Eliza Madrigal: but couldn't do so with one of the browsers so it was becoming an ordeal
Eliza Madrigal: seems fine now :)
Agatha Macbeth: Make it colourful a la Eden :)
Eliza Madrigal: thanks :)
Eliza Madrigal: I like doing that, but years ago some took issue that I was doing too much reading of the log for others
Eliza Madrigal: in the way I posted
Agatha Macbeth: Oh
Eliza Madrigal: so scaled back and now try to be simple but also keep a little guidance
Agatha Macbeth: Ah understood
Eliza Madrigal: I suppose I don't have as much time to be too playful anyway, but I love Eden's colorful logs :))
Agatha Macbeth: Can be difficult to untangle threads sometimes
Agatha Macbeth: Me too
Eliza Madrigal: it can
Agatha Macbeth: Fits her personality
Eliza Madrigal: I think if I were a stranger to chat text I would want help breaking things apart a bit
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe
Eliza Madrigal: I like your subtitles
Eliza Madrigal: that works well
Agatha Macbeth: Hehe
Eliza Madrigal: remember Maxine used to write a paragraph up top
Agatha Macbeth: Helps in the cases of tangents
Eliza Madrigal: loved that too :)
Agatha Macbeth: Not the opposite over adjacent type
Agatha Macbeth: The going off type
Eliza Madrigal: ahh
Agatha Macbeth grins
Eliza Madrigal: Agatha puzzles
Agatha Macbeth: Pythagoras gets in evrywhere
Eliza Madrigal: you're right... have lost a shoe
Agatha Macbeth: Hopefully in inv
Eliza Madrigal: weird! I'm like Yaku now
Agatha Macbeth: Yes!
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Eliza Madrigal: Okay, off to find doggo
Agatha Macbeth: Perhaps you attatched something else
Eliza Madrigal: maybe
Agatha Macbeth: Have fun
Eliza Madrigal: sleep and dream well :)
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2018.10.28
Extremely pregnant, walking along a sidewalk between two gardens. The day is pleasant, and a few friends are walking along, but not quite with me. One of them is a very tall Indian woman with long curly hair, who walks ahead of me and then turns around and crouches down, begins holding my belly up. She is sort of praying and sort of meditating, and I feel very strong sense of presence through my whole body for quite a while. I'm aware that I'm dreaming, watching the scene as I wake, asking myself if this is a healing dream.
Association: Easy to associate this out. Elements are presence, embodiment, strength, pregnancy [all of which make me think of potential, satisfaction, spaciousness, enoughness]; gardens, nice weather [appreciation and blooming, again spaciousness]; friendships [familiar, unfamiliar, supportiveness and good will, togetherness, but also comfortable space between us]. No camera, but the way I came out of the dream was like zooming out, back into my life.
Waking while watching and feeling this scene, let me feel as though I was bringing this sense of things in my waking life, although when I first came out of the dream entirely, one of my first thoughts was that it didn't make sense to have such a strong and beautiful dream about 'the future', when the future actually seems in such peril. A big influence to this dream had to have been a new meditation I've been tying, an app called "Let's Meditate" which basically provides another person at the end of the line in a non-intrusive way. It may be India based, I'm not sure, but each guide who has popped up on the other end of the app, has been Indian.