The Guardian for this meeting was stevenaia Michinaga. The comments are by stevenaia Michinaga.

Rhiannon Dragoone, MShui Resident, Alfred Kelberry, oO0Oo Resident, Paradise Tennant, Eliza Madriga, Roxie Marten

Much ot tonight we were sitting on Boxy's rotating Ring of Light while discussion Meditaion and seeing with 2 new avatars joining us

stevenaia Michinaga: waves to Rhiannon
Rhiannon Dragoone: hi Steve
Rhiannon Dragoone: And hi Samud, although I don't see you yet
stevenaia Michinaga: Sam is far to the East, was Sam with you?
Rhiannon Dragoone: hi Maria
stevenaia Michinaga: hello Maria
stevenaia Michinaga: have you been here before?
Rhiannon Dragoone: This is my friend, Maria; I invited her to come
MShui Resident: Hi Rhi, hi Steve
stevenaia Michinaga: :), she knows we record these sessions, is that ok Maria?
stevenaia Michinaga: Maria?
Rhiannon Dragoone: hi Samud
MShui Resident: u record how?
MShui Resident: hi Samud
stevenaia Michinaga: what is typed here is sent to a log and posted on the groups Wiki, how is magic
MShui Resident: : )
MShui Resident: oh, ok
Rhiannon Dragoone: yeah, it isn't sent to the CIA or anything. lol
stevenaia Michinaga: they are free to read our logs
stevenaia Michinaga: we jsut ask that you give permission, otherwise we can delet your comments
stevenaia Michinaga: delete
stevenaia Michinaga: there is always someone here who posts the log, tonight it is me
stevenaia Michinaga: Hi samud
stevenaia Michinaga: 15 15 minutes we take a 90 second contemplative "break" for a moment of reflection or exploration
stevenaia Michinaga: *every
MShui Resident: is ok for me, i try to measure my words, lol
stevenaia Michinaga: nods, always a good idea :)
Rhiannon Dragoone: English isn't Maria's 1st language, so take that into consideration, everyone
MShui Resident: but sorry if i say something wrong or do some mistake, english not is my native
stevenaia Michinaga: the basis of this group is the exploration of the nature of reality in its many forms
MShui Resident: thanks Rhi
Rhiannon Dragoone: Always glad to protect a friend, and you've protect me at my most vulnverable.
stevenaia Michinaga: now I should be on my best typing behavior as most non-Engligh typists , type better than I do
stevenaia Michinaga: smiles
MShui Resident: lol, seem a bit strange explore the reality in SL
Rhiannon Dragoone: heh it seems a bit strange to explore rality in FL too. lol
MShui Resident: FL?
Rhiannon Dragoone: SL has actually helped me to understand people like Plato who have the notion of levels of reality
Rhiannon Dragoone: FL=First Life
stevenaia Michinaga: much of what Sl offers is an international perspective
Rhiannon Dragoone: Some people call SL FL as they believe what happens here is real; and a lot of it is.
Alfred Kelberry: hi :)
Rhiannon Dragoone: hi Boxy!
Alfred Kelberry: rhia - a rare guest :)
stevenaia Michinaga: there is not place we can meet regularly where so many from so far can get together and chat
stevenaia Michinaga: hi Boxy
Rhiannon Dragoone: hi boxy; i know, RL has really been messing with my SL time lately.
MShui Resident: well, u call Fist what i call Real, lol
oO0Oo Resident: Boxy :)
MShui Resident: hi boxy
Rhiannon Dragoone: yeah. But the discussion is real here, the music, the art, the relationships.
Rhiannon Dragoone: If you hurt someone here, you often hurt someone in RL

--BELL--

Rhiannon Dragoone: hi Paradise!
Alfred Kelberry: para girl :)
oO0Oo Resident: Hi Paradise :)
MShui Resident: haha, emotionally u mean, cause if i slap your cheek here u don´t feel nothing in RL
Rhiannon Dragoone: Emotionally, yeah
MShui Resident: hi Paradise
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, exploring words and meanings is something that takes time and helps with common understanding
stevenaia Michinaga: hi Paradsie
Rhiannon Dragoone: afk
Paradise Tennant: smiles hiya boxy . sam . rhi stev and maria .. a pleasure to meet you :)
stevenaia Michinaga: nice to see you tonight :)
stevenaia Michinaga: MAria, the sounding of the bell begin the 90 seconds of silence (and boxy should know better)
Alfred Kelberry: it's interesting how when we look at an object and then remember it in our mind, fmri registers almost identical brain activity in both cases
stevenaia Michinaga: sometimes a simple pause has much more meaning that all the unpaused moments that surround it
stevenaia Michinaga: when we look at it, it the same image to our brains, whether there or rememebered, no?
Alfred Kelberry: slightly different, but yes
oO0Oo Resident: Similarly an imagined slap can evoke a RL response that is not perhaps the same as being physically struck.. but not 100% unaffecting.
stevenaia Michinaga: just like when you see something in your dreams it appears real there
Alfred Kelberry: seeing with your eyes closed :)
oO0Oo Resident: Hi Eliza!
MShui Resident: hi Eliza
Paradise Tennant: hiya eliza :)) gtsy :)_
Eliza Madrigal: Hi everyone :)
stevenaia Michinaga: hi Eliza
oO0Oo Resident: Hi Roxie
Eliza Madrigal: Nice to meet you Roxie and Maria
stevenaia Michinaga: we are talking about the real-ness of non-real images we have
Roxie Marten: Howdy
Alfred Kelberry: but what's amazing is that now we can get an image from an fmri of what we're seeing or remembering
Alfred Kelberry: eliza :)
Alfred Kelberry: hi, roxie!
Eliza Madrigal: oh, okay... great
Paradise Tennant: hello roxie a pleasure to meet you
Roxie Marten: thanks, lagging big time, not sure how long my viewer will stay alive
MShui Resident: can i ask what is fmri?
Eliza Madrigal: Roxie I love that musical (looking at your profile) :D
stevenaia Michinaga: Hi Roxy, have you been here before?
Roxie Marten: Thank you, it has special meaning for me
stevenaia Michinaga: *Roxie
Roxie Marten: I don't remember
stevenaia Michinaga: I gave you a notecard with information about the group
stevenaia Michinaga: we record these sessions and post them on the group's Wiki, is it ok to include your comments?
Rhiannon Dragoone: back
stevenaia Michinaga: (wb)
Rhiannon Dragoone: Sorrry, got a phone call from Rosalyn and as much as I love you guys, she comes first
Rhiannon Dragoone: Roxie's another friend
stevenaia Michinaga: smiles
Roxie Marten: real life wins all bets rhi
Rhiannon Dragoone: Asked if any hot discussions were going on.
stevenaia Michinaga: always :)
Rhiannon Dragoone: Roxie, yep, it does. Although one guy at a discussion mix matched.
Roxie Marten: I said "is there anything worth while going one"
Rhiannon Dragoone: Like what if one of you were suicidal and in IM with me and it conflicted with my nail appointmen?
stevenaia Michinaga: Roxie, is it ok if we include your comments on the groups Wiki?
Roxie Marten: sure, I doubt you will find anything quotable frome me
Rhiannon Dragoone throws a stick at Roxie for the self-deprecation
Alfred Kelberry: googlebot will
Eliza Madrigal: :) that's okay, no need to be profound, just a matter of permissions in order to post things publicly
Rhiannon Dragoone: hi Eliza
stevenaia Michinaga: thanks, it;s more a cortesy to ask permission than the expectation of quotable content
Eliza Madrigal: Hey Rhi
stevenaia Michinaga: no pressure here

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal just finished watching the video from your profile Roxie, thanks
Eliza Madrigal: So what brought about the topic Stevenaia?
Roxie Marten: thanks keep defying gravity
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Rhiannon Dragoone: So do my boobs; i like SL. !
Eliza Madrigal: For Good is my favorite
Eliza Madrigal: what?! lol
Eliza Madrigal: okay... takes me a while...
Rhiannon Dragoone: ok, what' going on? lol
stevenaia Michinaga: just a ray of light that Boxy created
Eliza Madrigal: :)))
MShui Resident: lol
stevenaia Michinaga: it becomes irresistable
Eliza Madrigal: compelling
Eliza Madrigal: magnetic ribbon
Rhiannon Dragoone: Don't see where to jump in, so I guess i'll just watch you guys
Eliza Madrigal: just click to sit anywhere
oO0Oo Resident: Good one Boxy! You are creative in fun ways :)
Eliza Madrigal: Maria are you a friend of Rhi's also?
Alfred Kelberry: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: it's a light red, Rhi
Alfred Kelberry: unless you're color blind :)
MShui Resident: emmm, well, .... yes, we can say that, lol
Eliza Madrigal: haha... well, welcome
MShui Resident: thank you
Eliza Madrigal: I always wanted to ride on the luggage belt
stevenaia Michinaga: we meet every 6 hours so feel free to come anytime
Roxie Marten: hehe
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Alfred Kelberry: oh, a new name! nice, eliza :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: is this getting our conversation stirring?
Rhiannon Dragoone: it's ok, I'm standing by the fire here; it's still chilly although the snow is gone
stevenaia Michinaga: new snow here, today
Rhiannon Dragoone: i'm trying to wear my fire, but i can't.
Rhiannon Dragoone: And I don't see the light, so I guess that's life
Rhiannon Dragoone: WB, Roxie
stevenaia Michinaga: wb, motion does affect the flow of things
Eliza Madrigal: Boxy can you make a few more, like rings for Saturn?
Eliza Madrigal: :))
stevenaia Michinaga: different angles, overlaping, sounds interesting
stevenaia Michinaga: I'm glad I didn't eat before I came here
oO0Oo Resident: http://is.gd/EsmYnT
Eliza Madrigal: :))
stevenaia Michinaga: perfect music
Alfred Kelberry: eliza, i'm afraid that would be a bit over the top :)
Eliza Madrigal: over the top?
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: like puppies wearing antlers?
stevenaia Michinaga: this one is from a park near me :)
stevenaia Michinaga: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usIO0gLqVC8&NR=1&feature=endscreen
Paradise Tennant: smiles beautiful stev :)
Alfred Kelberry: eliza, no. puppies wearing a set of antlers :)

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: :))
Rhiannon Dragoone: I feel like I'm watching a circus performance
Paradise Tennant: sorry sleepy here think I have to trundle off to bed :))
Rhiannon Dragoone: nite, paradise!\
stevenaia Michinaga: We have been called many things, Rhi
Paradise Tennant: thank you for the company :)
Alfred Kelberry: night, para :)
stevenaia Michinaga: Night PAradsie
Eliza Madrigal: Night Paradise :) pleasant sleep
Paradise Tennant: namsate :))
Rhiannon Dragoone: Blessings, Para!
oO0Oo Resident: Para :) Sleep well.
MShui Resident: well, yes
Eliza Madrigal: didnt you know you stumbled into a clown college?
Rhiannon Dragoone: Eliza, I had my suspicions
Eliza Madrigal: signs were all there
Rhiannon Dragoone: And I did wear make up for the ocassion. lol
MShui Resident: is late nigth for me too, see u all
Rhiannon Dragoone: nite, Maria!
Eliza Madrigal: Night Maria, nice to meet you
oO0Oo Resident: Nice to meet you Maria. Take care.
stevenaia Michinaga: Night Maria, hope to see you again
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Rhiannon Dragoone: Well, you've all come to your senses, I see.
oO0Oo Resident: :)
Rhiannon Dragoone: I'd join you, but I"m next to the only fire here.
Eliza Madrigal: playing as coming to senses
Rhiannon Dragoone: Tried wearing my fire, but the sim is too laggy, and Paradise neer got arund to rezzing me one.
stevenaia Michinaga: shall I see if I can my fire feet?
Eliza Madrigal: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: *share

A Question from Boxy:

Alfred Kelberry: has anyone of you had negative effects from meditation? discomfort or pain?
Rhiannon Dragoone: I love the way your avatars had twinkles in their eyes when they got up to jump into that light I never could see
oO0Oo Resident: takes a twinkle to see a twinkle :)
stevenaia Michinaga: I haven't
Rhiannon Dragoone: boxy, if you do it for too long, you can lose ambition, your body can rebel, and you can lose some of your connections with reality; that's been documented; but if you do it *like you're supposed to* for an hour or so a time, there shouldn't be any
Eliza Madrigal: from meditation? no... but meditation has shown up discomfort at times
Alfred Kelberry: rhia, yes, that was my guess
Rhiannon Dragoone: Samud, yes; it came through the morphogenic energy field through the computer screen
Rhiannon Dragoone: I can't give you the cites, but I read about it in scientific studies on meditation
Alfred Kelberry: talked to berty the other day and he raised some concerns on this subject
Rhiannon Dragoone: Well, you overdo anything, you can harm yourself. Timothy Leary pointed out that if you drank too much water, you'd drown.
stevenaia Michinaga: he does meditate regularly, was he speaking form persoanl experience?
Alfred Kelberry: which was a surprise for me, cause i see meditation as a healing, lounge experience
Alfred Kelberry: yes, stev
Eliza Madrigal: meditation wasn't actually something that was recommended as often as it is now. as a light thing to pick up
Roxie Marten: I see tim got his moneys worth from college
Eliza Madrigal: so 9 seconds quite an idea... perhaps tiny bites and tasters for slow integrations
Alfred Kelberry: so the solution would be, as rhia pointed out, to slow down, i suppose
Eliza Madrigal: :)

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Alfred Kelberry: neat
Eliza Madrigal: Boxy, do you need to slow down your meditations?
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Alfred Kelberry: no, i hardly practice as is :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Rhiannon Dragoone: NOt so much to slow down, but to do it in moderation
Rhiannon Dragoone: The ill effects people mention are when they do it for hours and hours and hours
Eliza Madrigal: there are also different sorts of meditation
Eliza Madrigal: anything one takes on may cause changes and effects... exercise, diet, etc
Rhiannon Dragoone: Sitting and going 'Ohm" is what I'm talking about. Yes, doing martial arts katas is a form of meditation; when I shoot my .357 Magnum, i'm in a Zen state
Roxie Marten: I close my eyes to meditate and I fall asleep
Alfred Kelberry: eliza, yes. in my case they're presence oriented. as simple as to stop and actually enjoy a meal you're having in a cafe, instead of gobbling things up and rush back to work :)
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Alfred Kelberry: roxie, a good one :)
Eliza Madrigal: those are probably most important because they are worked into everything one is already doing.. like paying attention to transitions between things
oO0Oo Resident: Thanks for your company Stev, Boxy, Eliza, Rhi. Roxie.. Going to head on. Enjoyed this discussion, and the spinning ride :)
Eliza Madrigal: and, maybe the effects are not a negative Boxy, in the long run
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Roxie Marten: actually I am serious, my goal if I meditate is to sleep
Eliza Madrigal: Bye 0, tc

--BELL--

Alfred Kelberry: eliza, possibly
Rhiannon Dragoone: Roxie, well, it's a valid goal...oops.
stevenaia Michinaga: yes
Eliza Madrigal: agree
Eliza Madrigal: will probably meditate tonight ... strangely awake and should be sleeping
Eliza Madrigal: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: night all, long day tomorrow
Rhiannon Dragoone: nite steve!
Eliza Madrigal: Night Stevie good to see you
stevenaia Michinaga: thanks for the red ring ride, Boxy
Alfred Kelberry: a few folks had a nice nap during meditation in berlin - it was lovely :)
Alfred Kelberry: night, stev :)
Eliza Madrigal: aw you all napped?
Eliza Madrigal: that happened in Malta too I think... on silent day, under blankets
Alfred Kelberry: no, a few of us - undisclosed :)
Eliza Madrigal laughs
Rhiannon Dragoone: Well, you're supposed to do it, at least the alpha brain wave type, in a comfortable chair and not go to sleep; but that's because you can do healing work if your right before delta, but not quite in it.
stevenaia Michinaga: nice to meet you Roxie, bye Rhi
Eliza Madrigal: what happens in Berlin...
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Rhiannon Dragoone: Stays in Berlin lol
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Rhiannon Dragoone: Well, a lot of Los Vegas was based on Berlin in the 30's. Caberets, etc.
Rhiannon Dragoone: It's when a certain leader who shall remain nameless thought that things in Berlin *should not* remain in Berlin that the country got in trouble. lol
Rhiannon Dragoone: (one way of looking at it, anyway0
Roxie Marten: sitting on the floor crosslegged chanting is ome step above watching grass grow
Eliza Madrigal: :) that's pretty fun too
Rhiannon Dragoone: Depends on the grass.
Eliza Madrigal: haha
Rhiannon Dragoone: Eliza, and pretty stress reducing.
Eliza Madrigal: yeah.... it is amazing what entertains me these days
Eliza Madrigal: one might call that a loss of ambition I guess but well...
Eliza Madrigal: has benefited me
Eliza Madrigal: heaven in a flower and all that
Eliza Madrigal: :) I'm chatterboxing... sure sign that I should go to bed
Rhiannon Dragoone: It is late for you, Eliza
Rhiannon Dragoone: And it's about my dinner time.
Eliza Madrigal: 11... not too bad... how is rosalyn Rhi?
Rhiannon Dragoone: She's getting better and better. NOw has a wheeled walker rather than w wheelchair, although when I take her out, she wants the wheelchair, just in case
Eliza Madrigal: sure
Rhiannon Dragoone: And most of her mind is back; lost her algebra but her fictional characters are back. So say 95% of her mind is back
Eliza Madrigal: wonderful
Rhiannon Dragoone: Still gets tired very easily
Eliza Madrigal: good that she has you
Rhiannon Dragoone: They say at least a year to start recovering, so she's right on schedule it seems
Rhiannon Dragoone: Thank you, Eliza
Rhiannon Dragoone: Well, without her, I'd probably be another Jane Doe in a potter's field somewhere, so it is good that I had her
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Roxie Marten hugs rhi
Rhiannon Dragoone hugs Roxie
Eliza Madrigal feels thankful
Eliza Madrigal: Thanks for a nice evening
Rhiannon Dragoone: ty Eliza for a nice evening too
Eliza Madrigal: be well, lovely to meet you my new green friend, and night boxy when you come back :))
Roxie Marten: nite eliza
Eliza Madrigal: night, sweet dreams
Eliza Madrigal waves
Alfred Kelberry: ok, poof time

--BELL--

Alfred Kelberry: be good, folks
Rhiannon Dragoone waves at Boxy
Roxie Marten: c ya