The Guardian for this meeting was Bleu Oleander. The comments are by Bleu Oleander.

Using chapters from the manuscript Exploring the Magic of Time: an Introduction to Play as Being while these chapters are being written by Pema Pera, we share and discuss our experiences in reading and working with the material presented in those chapters.  This is session 12, covering Chapter 5 and the reports.

Maxine Walden: hi, Pema
Pema Pera: hi Maxine!
Maxine Walden: rezzing...
Pema Pera: and hi Eliza!
Pema Pera: and hi there Sharon!
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Pema, Maxine, Sharon :)
Maxine Walden: hi, Eliza
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Maxine, Eliza, Pema and Zen :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zen :)
Maxine Walden: Hi, SophiaSharon, and Zen
Pema Pera: hi Zen!
Eliza Madrigal: Sometimes it is like a musicians play... each one adding one more name to the list of hellos... hahah
Zen Arado: Hi Eliza, Pema, Maxine, Sharon
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Maxine Walden: :)
Pema Pera: Hi Vector, how nice to see that you can make it too -- and thanks for your contribution!!
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Vector
Vector Marksman: HI
Zen Arado: Hi Vector
Pema Pera: yes, Eliza, or like the credits in a movie
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Vector, really enjoyed reading your report this morning!
Maxine Walden: oh, hi, Vector, so good to see you
Pema Pera: we are starting at the end -- obviously!
Eliza Madrigal: pre-credits... like that
Maxine Walden: ah, have not yet seen your report...will read it as we gather
Vector Marksman: I wasn't sure I posted it correctly... but
Zen Arado: wonders how Sharon changed her name around like that...
Pema Pera: (micro-credits?)
Eliza Madrigal: give everyone credit right away!
SophiaSharon Larnia: changed me name Zen?
SophiaSharon Larnia: my*
Zen Arado: yes///it's at the top
SophiaSharon Larnia: ?
Pema Pera: !!
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Darren
Zen Arado: usually name is at the bottom and group at the top
Pema Pera: hi Darren!
Zen Arado: Hi Darren
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Darren :and Susan :)
Darren Islar: hi everyone :)
Zen Arado: Hi Bleu
Bleu Oleander: hi all :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hey Blue :))
Eliza Madrigal: Bleu*
SophiaSharon Larnia: I can't say Zen, except I used this version of imprudence to explore a would called inworldz, and perhaps it messed something up
Pema Pera: Hi Susan!
SophiaSharon Larnia: world*
Pema Pera: and hi Bleu!
SophiaSharon Larnia: hello to everyopne arriving
SophiaSharon Larnia: everyone*
Zen Arado: Hi Susan
Susan Aloix: Hello pema :)
Susan Aloix: Hey Zen :) hi sophia
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi :)
Pema Pera: Hi Singh!
Zen Arado: Hi Singh
Susan Aloix: Hey Singh :)
Darren Islar: hi singh
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Singh
Pema Pera: shall we get started?
Pema Pera: after all the pre-credits :-)
SophiaSharon Larnia: hehe
Pema Pera: would somebody like to volunteer to pick up the chat log?
Susan Aloix: lol :)
Singh Albatros: good evening /morning/whenever all
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Singh, Welcome. Have you been to PlayasBeing before?
Zen Arado: I'll do it
SophiaSharon Larnia: thank you Bleu!
Pema Pera: thanks a lot, Zen!
Eliza Madrigal: I'll give you a note, converse in IM...
Bleu Oleander: I just did
Zen Arado: too late :)
Singh Albatros: no first time'
Pema Pera: hehehe
Pema Pera: I'll leave it up to you both to fight it out :)
Zen Arado: won't fight you for it :)
Pema Pera: o o
Pema Pera: (^_^)
SophiaSharon Larnia: :D
Bleu Oleander: :)
Pema Pera: I very much enjoyed reading the reports today . . . Bruce's transcending change, Eden's surging, Bleu's contemplation, Eliza's sawing off branches, Maxine's dreams, Vector's via negativa -- as well as Eden's woodblock print and Vector's art, such a rich harvest!
Pema Pera: thank you all!
Pema Pera: would anybody like to comment?
Maxine Walden: seems each in his/her way is exploring according to his/her own unique awareness/appreciation/presence...
Maxine Walden: and each week seems to express a richer, deeper, but also perhaps more essential (ie closer to some essence) or so it seems to my reading eye/mind
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Eden
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Eden :))
Susan Aloix: Hey eden
Pema Pera: (hi Eden)
Zen Arado: Hi Eden
Bleu Oleander: hi Eden :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Fefonz
Zen Arado: can't find the reports - could someone give me a link?
Pema Pera: yes, I have the same impression, Maxine, perhaps we are homing in on time after all . . . :)
Pema Pera: hi Fef!
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Fef :))
Eden Haiku: Whispering hello, sorry to be late :)
Zen Arado: Hi Fef
Maxine Walden: hmm:)
Bleu Oleander: hi Fef
Maxine Walden: yes
Pema Pera: http://wiki.playasbeing.org/PaB_Books/Magic_of_Time/Time_Sessions/Weekly_Reports/2010%2f%2f09%2f%2f24%3a_Reports
Fefonz Quan: Hi all, dorry for lating
Fefonz Quan: sorry*
Zen Arado: ty Pema
Maxine Walden: :)
Susan Aloix: hi Fefonz

--BELL--
Pema Pera: (did you visit a Pub, Fefonz?)
Pema Pera: (sorry, very very long lag . . . )
Fefonz Quan: ?
Fefonz Quan: (do i smell of Whiskey?)
Maxine Walden: :))
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Hana :)
Eliza Madrigal: And hello to Hana as well :) Nice full session
Hana Furlough: Hi everyone!
Zen Arado: Hi Hana
Pema Pera: (just your opening sentence :-)
Maxine Walden: seemed a bit tipsy, perhaps, Fef, your first sentence
Maxine Walden: :)
Fefonz Quan: if you'll keep throwing at me words i don't understand, i won't understand :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Yakuzza :) Let me post the link to reports one more time, for those who just arrived...
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone, sry been late
Fefonz Quan: (words/jokes)
Eliza Madrigal: http://wiki.playasbeing.org/PaB_Books/Magic_of_Time/Time_Sessions/Weekly_Reports/2010%2f%2f09%2f%2f24%3a_Reports
Zen Arado: Hi Yaku
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Yakuzza
Bleu Oleander: hey Yaku
Hana Furlough: Hi Yaku~
Pema Pera: (sorry, I same to have more-than-a-minute lag here, and my avatar just keeps typing -- please ignore!)
Susan Aloix: hey yaku
Pema Pera: (so please continue to comment on the reports and/or the chapter -- I will respond whenever lag lets me . . . )
Fefonz Quan: The presence of appearance as given by Time delay :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Hana Furlough: : )
Eliza Madrigal: your report was wonderful too again, Pema. .. as close to *just* presence by the end of your (mini) exploration ...
Vector Marksman: sorry I can't sit down
Maxine Walden: thought your comment Pema in Chapt 5 on presence as being most basic
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Maxine Walden: was interesting
Maxine Walden: :) Vector
Eliza Madrigal: there you go, Vector :)
Darren Islar: (pulled Vector on his cushion :))
SophiaSharon Larnia: wb S\ingh
SophiaSharon Larnia: Singh* :)
Singh Albatros: crashed
Vector Marksman: I was thinking that linear time is your stand in for ? usual reality and this is door way to looking at how constructed or view of reality is
Darren Islar: ?
Maxine Walden: could you say a bit more, Vector?
Pema Pera: (now three to five minute lag, so perhaps you should just ignore me :-)
Bleu Oleander: is there a theory-independent concept of reality?
Darren Islar: ah, got it, sorrry
Maxine Walden: (I have had that happen, Pema, frustrating!)
Eliza Madrigal: Do you mean that we don't know how constructed our view of reality is...?
Vector Marksman: Yes
Fefonz Quan: (now, or 3 min. ago?)
Eliza Madrigal: but we do know how limited linear time seems...
Vector Marksman: WE take it for the only way
Zen Arado: it's more like a reality by consensus (most people's consensus) to me
Vector Marksman: yes
Darren Islar: I wonder if people are really living in lineair time
Hana Furlough: it does seem that our linear view of time is limited, and yet almost no one sees anything other than linear time. i wonder why that is
Zen Arado: linear time has got it's revenge on Pema :)
Eden Haiku: ;)
Maxine Walden: :))
Darren Islar: :)
Hana Furlough: haha
Vector Marksman: :)
Eliza Madrigal: So part of the exploration is to then let the way linear time seems 'closed' or limiting be seen more clearly....
Darren Islar: I think we live more in a ...... say psychological time
Eliza Madrigal: I keep thinking of the Kira question 'what else is true?" It doesn't seem to help to wrestle with time.... even linear time
Hana Furlough: can you say more about psychological time, darren?
Maxine Walden: wb, Pema
SophiaSharon Larnia: wb Pema
Darren Islar: well, nobody knows when a minute has passed, or an hour
Darren Islar: we only know because we look at the clock sometimes
Eden Haiku: Pema's hair flowing with time...
Fefonz Quan: why not Darren
Pema Pera: (sorry, none of what I typed in the last ten minutes came back to my screen, so I logged out -- seems I have terrible lag today)
Darren Islar: in between we have no idea about time in a strictly linear way
SophiaSharon Larnia: subjectivity
Bleu Oleander: does one's model of the world agree with observation? Is that all one can ask?
Pema Pera: (so please keep going)

--BELL--
Zen Arado: but we can also sense time passing Darren
Fefonz Quan: we have some sense of flow, altough not in high prescision
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, like that question Bleu
Darren Islar: maybe psychological time is more or less linear
Darren Islar: but we also make jumps psychologically to other places and times
Susan Aloix: yes agrees with eliza...great questions
Darren Islar: it can even feel we are really there
Fefonz Quan: maybe the jump is not to another time, but just a memory of that time?
Hana Furlough: so our tendency is to make up some kind of story about time
Darren Islar: maybe that is not how we experience it
Darren Islar: just wondering, because we seem to take linear time for granted
Vector Marksman: past, present, future seem to be a function of memory and that is such an important human function
Pema Pera: yes Darren that is one of the amazing things of SL, pure phenomena yet such a sense of presence
Darren Islar: wonders if that is really true
SophiaSharon Larnia: funny, you think of time as having some objectivity, even if it isnt linear
Darren Islar: maybe we live more in patterns
SophiaSharon Larnia: (i guess)
Susan Aloix: can you say more pema about *pure phenomena*?
Fefonz Quan: I wonder too, but still i feel a difference between having a memory of NYC and being in NYC
Darren Islar: I guess Sophia that is part of my question
Maxine Walden: for me currently the quality of my attention (constricted, open, inclusive, etc) affects my experience of time
Eden Haiku: A pickpocket stole my wallet with all my credit and identity cards in a coffe shop yesterday between 5h30 and 6pm. That moment in time seems painfully real to me right now :)
Darren Islar: patterns as clusters of time
SophiaSharon Larnia: (when I said 'you think' I meant in general, or me :D)
Maxine Walden: ah, Eden, so sorry, yes, burning moment
Hana Furlough: oh no, eden, i'm so sorry
Eden Haiku: burns yes :)
Zen Arado: a bad time Eden
SophiaSharon Larnia: omg Eden I'm so sorry, i hope you are ok
Darren Islar: I understand Eden, but those are moments, we suddenly start wondering about time
Darren Islar: did you know the time when it happened
Pema Pera: (I could if I had less lag, Susan . . . . sorry, I have minutes delay today . . . )
Bleu Oleander: knows how that feels Eden :(
Darren Islar: when you were still in the process of noticing something is wrong
Susan Aloix: (oh my .....is :) )
Eliza Madrigal: well, and space... invasion of space, caught by affected by unseen moment
Darren Islar: times seems to stop when something bad happens to us
Darren Islar: or something good
Darren Islar: after that...... we look at the clock
Eden Haiku: Yes, recreating the scene in my mind, feeling I was'nt "present " so I let it happen...
Hana Furlough: yeah our experience totally changes in those moments
Vector Marksman: Linear time ends in death of the individual (whatever that is) and the goal to find an alternative may be related to that somehow, I think
Darren Islar: (but sorry to hear Eden)
Bleu Oleander: pick-pockets count on that Eden :)
Fefonz Quan: maybe those mon=ment are when we are really attentive, really there(/then), while in other we are a little more sleepy and oblivious
SophiaSharon Larnia: :) Vector, intersting
Maxine Walden: and yet when we are lost as in a book, we lose track of time...
Hana Furlough: can you say more about an alternative, vector?
Bleu Oleander: say more Vector?
Hana Furlough: m
Darren Islar: yes, living in the book :)
Darren Islar: or sl as pema mentioned
Eliza Madrigal: some say death is like a thief in the blind spot too ...
Maxine Walden: :)
Vector Marksman: somehow that time is an illsion - a construct, means more than something about time
Vector Marksman: it is about life, reality
Fefonz Quan: we loose track of 'outer' time, but we are well engaed in the 'book' time (like dream time)
Eliza Madrigal nods @ Vector
Maxine Walden: good point, Fef
Darren Islar: btw I don't mean to say linear time doesn't excist, my question is more like, are we really living in linear time?
Eliza Madrigal: so where does the 'juice' come from.... the attention we're doling out to story/book time?
Fefonz Quan: so in that sense time is the ground of the story, on which it evolves
Fefonz Quan: it's the rail that aloow each story to travel upon
Fefonz Quan: allows*
Maxine Walden: interesting comment...pondering it, Fef
Zen Arado: reality is the ground - time is just a construction we mark out on it?
Singh Albatros: all discussion of time suggest we are out of time, commenting on something we are separate from. If there is consciousnes and the direct experience discussion of time is not the same of the cognition of the source of time which may be timelessness
Fefonz Quan: well, reality can mean anything in that sense...
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Darren Islar: interesting Singh
SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
Zen Arado: it's beacuse reality is indescribable that we want to freeze it somehow to make it more understandable?
Singh Albatros: going inside time and become time itself or one with it perhaps
Vector Marksman: yes, squeeze it into our poor concepts
Darren Islar: I wonder if people ages ago new about time as much as I do
SophiaSharon Larnia: ewxploring that dimension
SophiaSharon Larnia: wb HAna
Darren Islar: maybe they trusted their patterns more
Hana Furlough: sorry computer crash
Darren Islar: sory, as we do now
Zen Arado: it was more undefin ed I thin Darren
Susan Aloix: become one with time...interesting
Singh Albatros: words mirror, approximate, but time doesn not need us or our words
Eliza Madrigal: going inside time sounds like doing something, implies distance somehow to me ... is that direct experience / immediate?
Zen Arado: we seem to have the notion more and more
Darren Islar: becoming one with patterns.....
Zen Arado: refined *
Eliza Madrigal: yet it also seems 'closer' than time happening 'to'
SophiaSharon Larnia: distance Eliza?
Hana Furlough: can you say more about becoming one with patterns?

--BELL--
Singh Albatros: going inside is just a metaphor
Darren Islar: like the farmer knows when it is going to rain, or knows what he needs to do when in the dayperiod
Eliza Madrigal: yes, I guess I was thinking of 'going' @ Sharon... thinking... many interesting ideas
Darren Islar: connecting your own patterns with others
Pema Pera: (sorry, I think I'll just log out and read the chat log later, and perhaps comment by email -- I don't think I receive even all the lines, some seem to be missing ; I hope my connection is better again next week)
Darren Islar: your patterns with patterns 'outside' you
Maxine Walden: somehow the image of being a small boat on a vast ocean comes to mind, the boat being me/us with our senses, etc and the ocean being Time, both vast, but also encompassing, intimate, all around, and not really linear...allways present always now
SophiaSharon Larnia: aww Pema, see you later :)
Eliza Madrigal: Sorry to see you go Pema!
Darren Islar: bye Pema, sorry to hear
Hana Furlough: bye pema, better next time
Bleu Oleander: bye Pema :(
Eliza Madrigal: Look forward to reading your email(s) Pema
Fefonz Quan: Bye Pema!
Vector Marksman: byr pema
Zen Arado: bye Pema
Susan Aloix: oh dear......sorry to here...catch you next week pema
Darren Islar: nicely put Maxine
Maxine Walden: bye pema, sorry for the poor connection
Fefonz Quan: but is the boiat seperated from time?
Fefonz Quan: boat*
SophiaSharon Larnia: is this the distance Eliza, stepping intot the boat?
Eden Haiku: Sorry, phone: afk...
Darren Islar: a boat is made to float on it, but wasn't needed if there wasn't time
Fefonz Quan: with no ocean, how can the boat sail?
Darren Islar: right
Eliza Madrigal: yes perhaps that's it Sharon... the sense of stepping into the boat... metaphors are so difficult (thinks of Vector's Rumi quote at the end of his report)
SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
Eliza Madrigal: but there is a sense that we've not noticed the boat before sometimes... that it has always been tossing us this way and that....
Zen Arado: maybe like we are in the water but climb onto a boat and put markers on the water
Hana Furlough: nice, zen : )
Susan Aloix: Up, up...and....
Susan Aloix: ...away?
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Fefonz Quan: (was there a vector's report this week?)
Eliza Madrigal: Oh My Susan. Hah
Darren Islar: and maybe we think we can't swim, but are actually good swimmers :)
Eliza Madrigal: Fef, in the comments section
Darren Islar: so the boat is maybe more then we need
Hana Furlough: yes, like rilke's swan
Fefonz Quan: ah thanks
Bleu Oleander: we are mostly water ..... so one with the ocean ... one with time?
Vector Marksman: Time is an ocean, but it ends at the shore. I may not see you tomorrow. (Bob Dylan Haiku)
Susan Aloix: apologies for elevating lol
Eliza Madrigal giggles
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Susan Aloix: lol
Hana Furlough: haha nice
Darren Islar: yes, the shore, damn :))
SophiaSharon Larnia: you know a boat metaphor here read to me as physicality
SophiaSharon Larnia: reads*
Zen Arado: yes Sharon
Eliza Madrigal: perhaps an illusion of solidity/separation from the ocean?
Zen Arado: that too Eliza :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: (sorry about all the typos, extreme even for me)
Zen Arado: not as bad as me Sharon :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: ah yes
Darren Islar: :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: to Eliza hehe
Fefonz Quan: yes, we have a respectful clab for this here Sharon :)
Darren Islar: yes, Eliza
Fefonz Quan: club* ;-)
Zen Arado: :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: :))
Vector Marksman: Our bodies have the ocean internalized... embodeiment seems connected to time as we know it
Eliza Madrigal: we are an international forum after all ;-)
Darren Islar: but maybe we first need to learn to float at the ocean, before we can start learning to swim
Maxine Walden: agree, Vector
SophiaSharon Larnia: Darren :)
Darren Islar: float on
Zen Arado: maybe we should stay in the ocean
Susan Aloix: likes knowing i have the ocean inside me......
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Darren Islar: hmmmm, yes Zen :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: embodiment yes, i meant that more than physicality, thanks
Zen Arado: prefers river as metaphor though
Fefonz Quan: just look for the storms Susan
Zen Arado: though the ocean is ever changing too I guess
SophiaSharon Larnia: me too Susan :))
Susan Aloix: yeah.....we really do allow nature to inhabit our very bodies.......
Eliza Madrigal: I suppose the boundary is what interests me in this discussion... the inside/outside point.... the construction
Susan Aloix: :) fefonz
Susan Aloix: :) sharon
Darren Islar: yes, the points where the boat touches the water
Bleu Oleander: boundaries .... arbitrary lines?
Vector Marksman: boundarries,,, I agree, that is the issue
Fefonz Quan: I find it more complicated Eliza, since regarding time we basically feel that we can't detach from it
Hana Furlough: yes no lines
Zen Arado: artificial lines?
Eliza Madrigal: yes, opening that up, or seeing the openness there... seems to free up time, phenomena too?
Zen Arado: like SL boundary lines?
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Alfred
Fefonz Quan: i can't even start to imagine beinig 'apart from time', since everything is a flow, a movement
SophiaSharon Larnia: right
Bleu Oleander: turn off/on sl boundary lines .... nice if you could do that in rl Zen
Eliza Madrigal: we are part of that movement though... there is an interraction....
Vector Marksman: we are creatures of time
Fefonz Quan: it's like your shadow, as fast as you run, it follows
Eliza Madrigal: Hiya Alfred :)
Susan Aloix: i think boundaries are place where we meet ourselves and yet equally meet *other*.......its a third place....neither subject nor object....a co-created entity or dialogue or energy
Darren Islar: hey Alf
Alfred Kelberry: oh! lots of people! :)
Zen Arado: Hi Alf
Fefonz Quan: Hi Alf!
SophiaSharon Larnia: haha Alfred, our time session this morning is just coming to a c lose
Hana Furlough: Hi Alf
Eliza Madrigal: :) Susan re third place... yet not a negating of one for the other...
Yakuzza Lethecus: hi alf
Darren Islar: yes Alf, on friday there is a time-session before the normal session
Alfred Kelberry: oh, it's not pab?
Maxine Walden: afraid I have to go, see you all soon, I hope. Nice discussion
Alfred Kelberry: ah, i see
Maxine Walden: bye for now
SophiaSharon Larnia: but please pull up a chair
Bleu Oleander: bye Maxine
Eliza Madrigal: It will be shortly Afred :) It is PaB now, but time pab session
Fefonz Quan nods to Vector, maybe thats why it's so hard to investiaget it
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Maxine, thank you...
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Maxine
Susan Aloix: well there are times when i feel the loss of separation...and i am one with the sunset eliza.......or one with another
Alfred Kelberry: i was surprised to see so many at this time :)
Darren Islar: it is concentrated PaB :)
Susan Aloix: bye maxine
Zen Arado: bye Maxine
Bleu Oleander: I'll close out the time session and switch to reg PaB?
Fefonz Quan: bye Maxine
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye max, bye everyone
Eliza Madrigal: so there in that 'place' Susan.... say more?