2018.10.16 12:00 - Dream Session: Phenomenal Healing Puzzles

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Riddle :)
Riddle Sideways: Hey
Riddle Sideways: no bridge now
Eliza Madrigal: I've been adjusting my settings, but do you see most of this area rather barren?
Riddle Sideways: water dried up
Eliza Madrigal: Ok, so not just me
Eliza Madrigal: Must in in flux
Riddle Sideways: autumn
Riddle Sideways: always wondered how that much rain or snow got up here to create that huge river
Eliza Madrigal: from underneath
Eliza Madrigal: the underworld :)
Eliza Madrigal: I've always loved the tree that is hanging upside down on the end... if it is still there
Riddle Sideways: not sure!  it is dark and something big boxy is down there
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zen :)
Riddle Sideways: Hey Zen
Zen (Zen Arado): Hi Eliza, Riddle !
Eliza Madrigal: Do enjoy the leaves
Riddle Sideways: brb, gotta get lunch
Agatha Macbeth: Here I am
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Aggers :)
Riddle Sideways: thar u r
Zen (Zen Arado): Hi Aggers
Agatha Macbeth: Why is Liz in the floor?
Agatha Macbeth whispers: :P
Agatha Macbeth: Yay
Agatha Macbeth: Better
Eliza Madrigal: I always seem to appear that way to others if I don't wait to sit until everyone arrives
Eliza Madrigal: perhaps SL is forcing me to be a better host
Agatha Macbeth: How odd
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Is your AO on?
Eliza Madrigal nods
Agatha Macbeth: That's probably it then
Eliza Madrigal: sometimes it isn't though
Agatha Macbeth: Strange
Riddle Sideways: who you calling odd and strange
Agatha Macbeth: Me
Zen (Zen Arado): :-)
Eliza Madrigal: : ) anyone who would find themselves here at this time and place?
Riddle Sideways: true dat
Agatha Macbeth: Hm
Agatha Macbeth: Tura :)
Riddle Sideways: not recording yet, right?
Zen (Zen Arado): being half buried   is the new fashion
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Tura :)
Tura Brezoianu: hi all
Riddle Sideways: Hey Tura
Zen (Zen Arado): Hit'si Tura
Eliza Madrigal: I can, or can wait if better Riddle?
Tura Brezoianu notices the scenery has changed
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Alma
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Alma :)
Eliza Madrigal: yes we've been looking around with curiosity
Agatha Macbeth: Yes looks better
Riddle Sideways: the river dried up
Zen (Zen Arado): Hi Alma
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): hi Agatha, Eliza, Riddle, Tura, and Zen
Riddle Sideways: Hey Alma
Eliza Madrigal: better?
Agatha Macbeth: More space
Agatha Macbeth: Sanji must have been dabbling
Eliza Madrigal nods
Eliza Madrigal: So long as the grand tree and leaves are here, suppose cozy enough ^.^
Agatha Macbeth: Oh the tree's still there
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): seems a bit barren by comparison, but I supposed I'll get used to it
Eliza Madrigal: It will probably be different by that time
Agatha Macbeth: Less laggy too
Eliza Madrigal: Anyway, nice to see everyone
Agatha Macbeth: Nice to see you too :)
Agatha Macbeth: Glad you weren't blown away
Zen (Zen Arado): yes it   is
Eliza Madrigal: would have taken some big gust
Zen (Zen Arado): I didn't hear Miami being mentioned
Eliza Madrigal: no, it was far from me :)
Agatha Macbeth: You and George would have landed on a witch maybe
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): on the bad witch, hopefully
Eliza Madrigal: ^.^
Agatha Macbeth: 'George we're not in Florida'
Eliza Madrigal: Oh my!!
Agatha Macbeth would like to Liz in red shoes
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): lions, and tigers and gators, oh my
Eliza Madrigal smiles at Liz as a verb
Agatha Macbeth: see*

Agatha Macbeth: I shudda sed

Eliza Madrigal: So, I peeked at the wiki and know we have things to hear and share today. Shall we begin?

Eliza Madrigal: And you have something today Zen?

 

 

Zen (Zen Arado): I bought Aizenstat's book
Eliza Madrigal listens
Zen (Zen Arado): remember the talks Bruce posted?
Agatha Macbeth nods
Eliza Madrigal: Oooh, yes
Zen (Zen Arado): was wondering if anyone wants to go down that road a bit?
Eliza Madrigal: sure!
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): can you remind me what that is about?
Riddle Sideways: seemed a nice road
Agatha Macbeth: Follow the yellow brick road
Eliza Madrigal: seems ages ago... am reaching to remember

Zen (Zen Arado): it's more about usng dreams for healing
Eliza Madrigal: aha, nice, ok
Riddle Sideways: Aggers is stuck in Oz
Zen (Zen Arado): rather than lucid dreaming
Zen (Zen Arado): he gives exercises
Zen (Zen Arado): ways to work with dreams
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I think those are complementary themes
Zen (Zen Arado): yes maybe
Zen (Zen Arado): a little extract:

Zen (Zen Arado): 'James Hillman had been one of Jung’s senior students, and his work took up where Jung’s had left off. He said that dream images were more than signs pointing to some answer, as Freud said, or symbols representing a meaning, like Jung. They were also phenomenal, like living animals, and had presence, place, and body. He said that dream images are actually “persons of the soul” and “necessary angels.” They are demons, djinn, and gods who show us our fate and await a response from us.

Aizenstat, Stephen. Dream Tending: Awakening to the Healing Power of Dreams (p. 19). Spring Journal, Inc.. Kindle Edition.

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I have read some of Hillman. He's very interesting
Zen (Zen Arado): perhaps we could try an exercise next week?
Eliza Madrigal: for next week?
Zen (Zen Arado): he only introduces how he go into dream work thn straight into exercises
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): what is the title of the book?
Zen (Zen Arado): well I could post one if you want
Zen (Zen Arado): Dream Tending
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): ty
Eliza Madrigal: I'm game. Love having an exercise to work with
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): sounds good to me
Zen (Zen Arado): hang on a sec then
Riddle Sideways: give it a go

Zen (Zen Arado): Association, Amplification, Animation

 

Zen (Zen Arado): EXERCISE: Association, Amplification, Animation Choose an image from your dreams that has really gotten your attention recently. It may be a character, like a person or a creature, or it could even be something like an ocean, a forest, a rock, a building, or another object. Whatever image you choose, notice what aspects of it get your attention and seem to stay with you in the time since you had the dream. Write a description of the dream figure, being as concrete and specific as possible. Now, work with the image using association. Let your mind spontaneously connect the dream image to any events, feelings, ideas, or scenes from personal history that come up. Let one association lead to the next. Do not worry about getting the “right” answer. Just let one impression connect to the next, over and over. You can write down these associations in a dream journal as they spontaneously occur to you. Observe where this process of association takes you. Take special note of any childhood experiences that come
Zen (Zen Arado): up. From the point of view of the personal unconscious, such a memory may be the root of your dream image, and offers an important insight into why this particular image is occurring now in your dreams.
Zen (Zen Arado): so I'll just stop with association

Zen (Zen Arado): ok?
Riddle Sideways: ok
Eliza Madrigal: ok
Zen (Zen Arado): quite a lot of work in it
Zen (Zen Arado): but being more methodical with our dreams

Eliza Madrigal: I know it is looking ahead, but is amplification like the dreaming cue?

Zen (Zen Arado): you correlate the dream image to symbols, archetypes, and figures from mythology, fairy tales, literature, theater, and other forms of cultural expression. You are looking for universal themes that connect to the dream image.

Aizenstat, Stephen. Dream Tending: Awakening to the Healing Power of Dreams (p. 22). Spring Journal, Inc.. Kindle Edition.

Eliza Madrigal: Nice :)
Zen (Zen Arado): but animation is the core practice
Agatha Macbeth: Indeed
Riddle Sideways: Zen, was that last part with Association?
Zen (Zen Arado): so leaving it to last
Zen (Zen Arado): I haven't done any of this myself yet BTW
Zen (Zen Arado): yes
Eliza Madrigal: it will be interesting to follow this along, thank you very much
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): the last quote was amplification, wasn't it?
Zen (Zen Arado): yes soryy
Zen (Zen Arado): Eliza asked about it so copied a bit for her
Agatha Macbeth: She would :p
Zen (Zen Arado): it's all a bit long unfortunately
Eliza Madrigal: yes thanks for the hint. I have read elsewhere that amplification is tied to dream signs, so I wanted to see if it was related
Agatha Macbeth: Size isn't important Zenny

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): Jung was into amplification of dream images a lot
Agatha Macbeth: I know amplification in terms of sound and light, not so sure about dreams
Zen (Zen Arado): but we cn do Association, Amplification, Animation in that order cos that's how he does it
Tura Brezoianu has just downloaded the book on Kindle
Eliza Madrigal: pab is drowning everyone in books, but good ones!
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I'll be doing that too Tura
Zen (Zen Arado): it's all new to me
Agatha Macbeth: What a way to go
Eliza Madrigal: haha
Eliza Madrigal: Ready to move on to dreams and any updates or questions?
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe we need a PaB library
Zen (Zen Arado): sure
Riddle Sideways: there might be one coming
Riddle Sideways: library that is
Agatha Macbeth: Woot
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I had to buy a RL house just to keep all my books in
Riddle Sideways: ha
Zen (Zen Arado): :)
Agatha Macbeth: Erk
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Riddle Sideways: buy a Kindle instead
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I have one, Riddle. that's why I don't own two houses
Eliza Madrigal: I gave away lots of books a few years ago... miss rolling over the titles in different ways
Zen (Zen Arado): yes I am fully Kindlised
Eliza Madrigal: there were books I never read, just loved the titles
Agatha Macbeth: Is it painful?
Zen (Zen Arado): but miss the feel and smell of real books sometimes
Eliza Madrigal nods :)
Agatha Macbeth: Right
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I have a lot of pre-Kindle books that never made it into e-book form

Eliza Madrigal wistfully sighs
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: Want to begin with dreams, Alma?
Zen (Zen Arado): I gave all my books away to a charity shop
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): ok

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I had one lucid dream last week. I put it on my wiki page. here is the link: https://wiki.playasbeing.org/<wbr/>Guardian_Pages/Guardians'_<wbr/>Contributions/Alma/Lucid_<wbr/>dream_-_Oct._12%2c_2018
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): this was the longest I've managed to stay in a dream while lucid, though it was still very short

Eliza Madrigal: it feels deliberate and sharp to read. Was it? Also I find it interesting that you couldn't find your avatar at first, as though maybe she was in the dream rather than SL
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): hmmm
Riddle Sideways: very detailed after knowing it was dreaming
Eliza Madrigal: and also Congratulations! :))
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): the lucid part of the dream felt a little hazy while it was happening, like I was on the verge of waking up
Tura Brezoianu: Did you have any anticipation of what was behind the door?
Riddle Sideways: and being very careful this time
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I think I was just trying to move out of the hallway and see what was there
Zen (Zen Arado): seems like a dream inside a dream
Riddle Sideways: hope there was not scary music getting louder has you tried the door
Zen (Zen Arado): the SL dream
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): haha Riddle

Zen (Zen Arado): sorry care workers early again amd have to go
Eliza Madrigal: Oh dear :(
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): awww, take care Zen
Eliza Madrigal: nice to see you for a bit Zen
Riddle Sideways: OH!! by Zen
Eliza Madrigal: thank you for the assignment
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Tura Brezoianu: bye Zen
Riddle Sideways: yes thanks
Zen (Zen Arado): wish woman would come back from respite
Tura Brezoianu: thanks for the book
Zen (Zen Arado): byee
Agatha Macbeth: TC Zenny
Eliza Madrigal: bummer
Agatha Macbeth: De floyin' oirishman

 

 

Eliza Madrigal: I'm encouraged you've turned a corner Alma, able to stay in longer in an intentional way
Eliza Madrigal: How much do you attribute to the supplement?
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): well, just this one dream. .. we'll see
Riddle Sideways: do you think it had anything to do with taking that stuff
Riddle Sideways: or how much it did
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I think it had a lot to do with the supplement. I took 2 capsules, which is the maximum recommended dose. then I had trouble sleeping all night, like I was kind of wired. I finally got to sleep, which was when I had this dream
Tura Brezoianu: is that the Lucidesc?
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): yes, LucidEsc
Riddle Sideways: cute...  Esc like escape
Riddle Sideways: key
Eliza Madrigal: Without the framework of dream practice, it would be interesting but not take that turn, not have those tools
Eliza Madrigal: so, interesting
Eliza Madrigal: :) escape hatch
Eliza Madrigal: thanks for taking the time to write it out
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): no problem
Agatha Macbeth: Yes true
Eliza Madrigal: Does someone else have a dream to share? Or etc. :)

Riddle Sideways: a quick funny one
Eliza Madrigal: ok :))
Agatha Macbeth would like some etc.

Riddle Sideways: large convention hall of people sitting in rows having new software packages announced.  Some were "How to end a business", "Bankrupcy Helper", "Downsizing for Dummies".  Maybe 8-10 new products to sell-use that would be used to wreck or kill a company.  None of these sales people were laughing.
Riddle Sideways: Thought "this can't be happening", but never thought of it being a dream until waking.

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): LOL
Eliza Madrigal: yikes
Agatha Macbeth: Oh my
Eliza Madrigal: where did that come from?
Riddle Sideways: no idea
Eliza Madrigal: I think you hacked my homework from last week
Agatha Macbeth: You hacker you
Riddle Sideways: been years since have been to a large convention
Eliza Madrigal: I was learning bankruptcy law
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): a lot of companies seem to be using those products ... Sears, e.g.
Eliza Madrigal: true too
Riddle Sideways: Anybody else?
Eliza Madrigal: Tura? Aggers?
Agatha Macbeth: Newp
Riddle Sideways: Eliza?
Agatha Macbeth: Oh actually yes
Riddle Sideways: yayayayayaya

Agatha Macbeth: I keep dreaming about the place I used to work

 

 

 

Eliza Madrigal: Okay, will stay tuned, Tura :)

Eliza Madrigal: Say more Agatha?
Riddle Sideways: what was different?
Agatha Macbeth: More Agatha

Agatha Macbeth: A lot of it looked ruined
Agatha Macbeth: I think Fallout 4 may have been getting in there too
Eliza Madrigal grins
Agatha Macbeth: :P
Agatha Macbeth: Didn't see any raiders tho
Riddle Sideways: you bombed it on leaving?
Agatha Macbeth: I wish

Eliza Madrigal laughs
Eliza Madrigal: subconscious really having its way
Agatha Macbeth: Another way of downsizing a company I guess
Agatha Macbeth: With a rocket launcher
Riddle Sideways: ㋡

Eliza Madrigal: Well, I do have something to share, but I can't share the actual dream
Eliza Madrigal: because it is gross

Agatha Macbeth: Oh go on
Riddle Sideways: that happens a lot on waking

Eliza Madrigal: I've never had a dream like this, which was so disturbing and repulsive, and yet so enlightening

 

Agatha Macbeth: Now I really want to hear
Riddle Sideways listens
Agatha Macbeth: Was Trump in it?
Eliza Madrigal: he did have a part in it, but it was his name on something that I removed from someone's car
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): share only as much as feels right to you
Eliza Madrigal: a major side issue from the dream

Eliza Madrigal: The main thing that I want to say is that it didn't have a lot of emotion, or the qualities I associate with a dream that may change one's life in some way
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): sounds like a very significant dream
Eliza Madrigal: and yet it was quite profound. It gave me a very clear of something I couldn't put in words before, as relates to my life and family

Agatha Macbeth: Oh
Agatha Macbeth: Understood

Eliza Madrigal: family of origin. I would have expected a dream like this while undergoing therapy or something
Eliza Madrigal: so I'm just going to be gentle with myself/ my psyche for a while

Agatha Macbeth: Good plan
Agatha Macbeth: We'll be gentle with you too
Eliza Madrigal: I also took a supplement before this, and had the same restless sleep you describe Alma
Eliza Madrigal: :) thanks
Agatha Macbeth: ♥
Eliza Madrigal: my galantamind is so old that it is stuck together a little
Agatha Macbeth: Your what?
Eliza Madrigal: the supplement I took.. had purchased a longish while ago to work with for a few months
Agatha Macbeth: Aha
Eliza Madrigal: but dug it out during the break
Eliza Madrigal: I'm strongly reminded how powerful dreams can be, though
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh
Eliza Madrigal: I had written questions and intentions before bed that night
Agatha Macbeth: When you remember 'em :p
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: maybe also when you just let yourself have them?
Agatha Macbeth: That too
Eliza Madrigal: seems to take trust
Riddle Sideways: that 'let them enter'
Eliza Madrigal nods
Eliza Madrigal: deep listening
Eliza Madrigal: I'm excited to dig farther into the healing angles
Eliza Madrigal: am re-reading a friend's book that just came out, and she is trained in the focusing technique you are familiar with too Alma, and I notice all the way through, how much more embodied or in touch with her body's interactions with the world, she seems meditatively
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala) nods
Eliza Madrigal: I had the sense that if one can let themselves hear, body will send up the flags and signals it needs to, so dreams being part of that enhanced sensitivity
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): Gendlin wrote a book on how to use focusing to work with dreams
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, didn't know
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): "Let your Body Interpret your Dreams"
Eliza Madrigal: fascinating. perhaps this will be a fruitful direction for us
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): there are so many good books and approaches, it is a challenge to stay focused enough to work with any one of them
Eliza Madrigal: sometimes it might be enough to know about them, like perusing the titles in a creative way

 

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): yes, like putting together pieces of a puzzle to form a bigger picture
Eliza Madrigal nods thoughtfully
Riddle Sideways: like telling a book by its title
Riddle Sideways: sorry
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Agatha Macbeth: Hehe
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): seems like I have spent my whole life collecting puzzle pieces and wondering how they all fit together
Eliza Madrigal: feel closer? or are the edges in place?
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): sometimes I think I have glimpses of the pattern, but then life intervenes and the pieces all scatter again
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: Life: "Not yet not yet!"
Riddle Sideways: such a grand image, metaphor
Agatha Macbeth: What's metta for
Eliza Madrigal: I always hear the tune of that whats a heaven for song when you say that :P  [Wrong, it is the tune of an Anne Murray song from long ago, with the lyric of a Robert Browning poem imposed, that plays in my mind:
"...but a man's reach should exceed his grasp, or what's a heaven for?"]

Riddle Sideways: would having ALL the edge pieces in place be a good thing?
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I'm not sure there are any edges to this puzzle
Eliza Madrigal: It might make one feel more secure about the rest of the puzzle
Agatha Macbeth: Close to the edge
Agatha Macbeth: Down by the river
Riddle Sideways: it is puzzle pieces, all the way down
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): oh, Close to the Edge was one of my favorite albums, by Yes
Eliza Madrigal: although my sister, a master puzzler, just reaches in and does the whole thing. She thought my little piles of colors and patterns were way too much work :)
Agatha Macbeth: I still have it :P
Agatha Macbeth: On vinyl too
Riddle Sideways: I get up, I get down
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I do too, but it's pretty well worn out
Agatha Macbeth: Mm

Eliza Madrigal: I have a little snippet from a blog, to close with today
Agatha Macbeth: Ooh
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala) listens

Eliza Madrigal: "The Achuar believe that the two realities—waking and dreaming—are one continuous existence, and that dreaming and sharing the dreams with each other help to reveal underlying layers of meaning in their world.
If a dream is negative, the dreamer has a chance to re-dream as many times as needed until they receive a dream that is acceptable to them or to the community. It is key to the Achuar belief system that we can all re-write our lives if we choose to do so." https://blog.pachamama.org/<wbr/>magic-wisdom-dreams

Agatha Macbeth: Where are they from?
Eliza Madrigal: (haven't looked at the rest of the blog, but liked this page)
Eliza Madrigal: Ecuador
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): or maybe the dreams get to re-write us
Agatha Macbeth: Ah TY
Eliza Madrigal: collaborative reprogramming one hopes
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): thank you Eliza, nice quote
Riddle Sideways: nice
Eliza Madrigal: thanks for today and this time
Eliza Madrigal: ♥ ♥ ♥
Eliza Madrigal: ♥ ♥ ♥
Riddle Sideways: yes, thank All
Agatha Macbeth: Got the log ok  (sans stamps)?
Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): thank you everyone, see you next time
Agatha Macbeth: TC Alma
Eliza Madrigal nods takes a little minute
Eliza Madrigal: bye for now

Agatha Macbeth pulls Tura's tail
Riddle Sideways: by All
Eliza Madrigal: Tura may have slipped into a dream
Agatha Macbeth: Bye the noo Rid
Tura Brezoianu: goodnight all
Agatha Macbeth: NN Tu
Eliza Madrigal: Night Tura :)
Agatha Macbeth: Sweet dreams