2012.02.12 19:00 - Where Do the Voices Come From?

The Guardian for this meeting was Calvino Rabeni. The comments are by Calvino Rabeni.

oO0Oo Resident: Lovely outfit.. and appearance
Lucinda Lavender: thanks...
Lucinda Lavender: How are you?
oO0Oo Resident: I'm OK. Thanks for asking. You?
Lucinda Lavender: ok...
Lucinda Lavender: went to a yoga class today and then a 3.5 mile hike
oO0Oo Resident: Just came a bit early to get situated.  Are you standing in for Cal?
Lucinda Lavender: no...
Lucinda Lavender: just playing around with new clothes
oO0Oo Resident: Oh my goodness.. that is a fair bit of working out Luci!
Lucinda Lavender: yes and it was fun
oO0Oo Resident: :)
oO0Oo Resident: Glad
Lucinda Lavender: little ups and downs that were sort of inspiring to trot on
Lucinda Lavender: little rock stacks
Lucinda Lavender: and cedar bridges for cycleists
Lucinda Lavender: pretty different...
Lucinda Lavender: and lots of moss
Lucinda Lavender: hanging from the trees
oO0Oo Resident: sounds lovely.. warm weather?
Lucinda Lavender: high 40's
oO0Oo Resident: That's Fahrenheit I would imagine ;)
Lucinda Lavender: quite nice
Lucinda Lavender: yes:)
oO0Oo Resident: me nods
Lucinda Lavender: spring is on its way
oO0Oo Resident: How's your van. I read that it broke down?
oO0Oo Resident: *Spring*
Lucinda Lavender: yes:) fixed as far as I can tell
oO0Oo Resident: Nice
Lucinda Lavender: doing spring fixing:)
oO0Oo Resident: :)
oO0Oo Resident: imagines Luci afixing springs to her shoes
--BELL--

Lucinda Lavender: this will be valentines week...lots of special stuff to do
Lucinda Lavender: Hi cal...
Lucinda Lavender: sorry Bell
Lucinda Lavender: Have you claimed this yet cal?
oO0Oo Resident: G'day Cal !
Calvino Rabeni: Hello, L and O :)
Calvino Rabeni: Claimed!
Lucinda Lavender: phew!
oO0Oo Resident: :)
Calvino Rabeni: Grass, anyone?
oO0Oo Resident: :)
Lucinda Lavender: I'm in heaven...
Lucinda Lavender: sings Van Morrison on the record player
Calvino Rabeni: I think I'm on the waiting list for that :)
Lucinda Lavender: well really me too
Lucinda Lavender: Was just telling Sam about my hike today
Lucinda Lavender: to the Paradise Valley Conservancy...near Maltby Wa
Lucinda Lavender: really fun walk with little ups and downs
Calvino Rabeni: What are its features?
Calvino Rabeni: Hello Stev :)
stevenaia Michinaga: Greetings
oO0Oo Resident: stacked stone stepping, cedar bridge crossings, mild weather glossings, yoga as frosting
Lucinda Lavender: bike paths on bridges
oO0Oo Resident: Hi Stev :)
Lucinda Lavender: :) nicely put Sam
Lucinda Lavender: Hi Steve
Lucinda Lavender: many rock stacks
Lucinda Lavender: made me feel I was in a magical place
oO0Oo Resident: :)
Calvino Rabeni: Are they do it yourself rock stacks?
oO0Oo Resident: comingling magics
Lucinda Lavender: sure
Lucinda Lavender: met a dog named Harper Mc Knight with its own facebook page
Lucinda Lavender: they show some pictures of the area
Lucinda Lavender: I made 2 rock stacs...one with white and one with black
oO0Oo Resident: :))
Lucinda Lavender: Luci will stop reporting now:)
Calvino Rabeni: There was a flood where I lived in Oregon, which scoured out dirt in a park, leaving washed stone fields ... now it's a rock-stacking sculpture areafor passersby, according to the agreement worked out between Nature and the passing Humans
oO0Oo Resident: Harper McKnight... outta site.. black and white!
Lucinda Lavender: :))
Lucinda Lavender: nice things come to be there after a flood
Lucinda Lavender: steve is it real cold where you are?
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, actually
Lucinda Lavender: thought so...
stevenaia Michinaga: although it's up to 27 (and windy) now
Lucinda Lavender: brrr
stevenaia Michinaga: does how I dress give it away?
Lucinda Lavender: :)))
oO0Oo Resident: :)
Lucinda Lavender: Just know my son is snowed in in NC
stevenaia Michinaga: what were you describing, RL?
Lucinda Lavender: a place our in Washington...a conserved land with trails for mountain bikeing
Lucinda Lavender: tho it is not mountainous
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
Lucinda Lavender: just lovely ups and downs
Lucinda Lavender: found myself trotting along:)
--BELL--

Calvino Rabeni: Ups and downs and lefts and rights are just the think for a bike path :)
Lucinda Lavender: The place was called Paradise Valley conservancy
Calvino Rabeni: http://www1.co.snohomish.wa.us/Departments/Parks/Park_Information/Park_Directory/Regional_Parks/paradisevalley.htm
Lucinda Lavender: nods to Paradise...
Calvino Rabeni: It says there's a mountain bike skills area too
oO0Oo Resident: having a spring in her step... upsing and downsing
oO0Oo Resident: flowing
stevenaia Michinaga: here's a nice hike (in 4 minutes)
stevenaia Michinaga: http://equipped.outdoors.org/2012/02/hike-entire-appalachian-trail-in-four.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=blogs
Lucinda Lavender: will watch that...yes Cal the bikers were there...a few...polite and looks like horses are wellcome in some parts
Lucinda Lavender: lovely steve
oO0Oo Resident: :)
Lucinda Lavender: watching...
Lucinda Lavender: very old mountains and forests
stevenaia Michinaga: I live close to the trail, used to go camping there quite a bit
Lucinda Lavender: such a wonderful place.
Lucinda Lavender: actually ...many places
Lucinda Lavender: steve...were you allowed to make a fire there when camping?
stevenaia Michinaga: at that time there were places for campfires, some lean-tos w/ wood floors and places to pitch tents
stevenaia Michinaga: I don't hike much these days
stevenaia Michinaga: seems my spouse only has endurance to hike through museums or stores, which is not half bad
Calvino Rabeni: Does anyone have something to discuss, a creative project, new initiative, or "life as a lab" experiment?
Calvino Rabeni: Welcome Lawrence :)
stevenaia Michinaga: Hi Lawrence
oO0Oo Resident: Lawrence :)
Lawrence Vyceratops: hello everybody :)
Lucinda Lavender: HI Lawrence
--BELL--

stevenaia Michinaga: I have been busy lately and was working on my Chi Presentation for the IChing Workshop yesterday, but what I found interesting is that Chi does not stand along, every think I did some rreading it about it, it always touched on many things, from iChing, to yin/yang, to chinese medicine, Chi Gong, hightly integrated in describing chi, not like the west where one thing can be isolated from everything else
Calvino Rabeni: nods
Calvino Rabeni: yes very much so
stevenaia Michinaga: and strange that the West focuses on the "thing" rather than the everything
Lucinda Lavender: LUci thinks of the cheese standing alone and knows it is not the chi:)
oO0Oo Resident: lol
stevenaia Michinaga: Chi Cheese?
oO0Oo Resident: Tai-cheese
Calvino Rabeni: maybe ... well the interesting distinction is between the "internal" and "external" aspects of things
Calvino Rabeni: so the internal are effectively unlimited by the space/time categories by which we assess the external
Calvino Rabeni: external being the "object" type perspectives
stevenaia Michinaga: even those are broken down in the east to one large thing
oO0Oo Resident: we might need string cheese theory for this
stevenaia Michinaga: Chi being passed to another person, for instance, as in a healer
Calvino Rabeni: The West divides up experience as if it were a block of wood being diced into smaller cubes
Calvino Rabeni: even time
Lucinda Lavender: :) Sam
stevenaia Michinaga: nods, only now they are attempting to put together interdiciplinary approaches to things
Calvino Rabeni: It's such a habit of thought ... becomes part of basic assumptions, like, there's only so much time, and it must be divided up into compartements of separate activites, each of which has a different purpose
Calvino Rabeni: then who's got the time to have a life?
Calvino Rabeni: for instance, doing the laundry is that, but it can't be meditation
stevenaia Michinaga: but it can
Calvino Rabeni: of course
stevenaia Michinaga: unless you are studying meditation :)
stevenaia Michinaga: then laundy jsut makes a mess of things
Lucinda Lavender: choosing the water temp...the amount of soap...but one is cleaning the whole time
Calvino Rabeni: so the "qi in everything" idea is a reminder of that ... one might cultivate qi completely independent of any other activity, mixed or not, it doesn't matter
Calvino Rabeni: artfuless, a consciousness of quality ...
Calvino Rabeni: it's a basic difference between qualitative and quantitative aspects of reality
stevenaia Michinaga: nods
stevenaia Michinaga: I don't think anyone has counted Chi yet
stevenaia Michinaga: like measuring love
stevenaia Michinaga: hands Cal the lovemometer
Calvino Rabeni: For instance you may know a "tea master" by the quality of the way they do other activities, like gardening
Calvino Rabeni: thanks Stev
oO0Oo Resident: how they stack their stones, or walk on such
Calvino Rabeni: I remember my martial arts instructor saying - strong qi = strong kung fu, which I thought made sense, then he said, also, strong qi means it will be easy to fall asleep at night.. weak qi causes insomnia
oO0Oo Resident: SI! XD
Calvino Rabeni: so I thought . hmmm , ok, it's not quite what I thought
stevenaia Michinaga: weak chi is unhealthy state
Calvino Rabeni: well I don't know the fine points of the theory, but the sensitivity and attention to be able to direct qi seems to lead to ability to shift those energy patterns in the body, that lead to ill health and stress
stevenaia Michinaga: and it can be something to share and offer to others to
Calvino Rabeni: nods
--BELL--

stevenaia Michinaga: a warm vibe
Calvino Rabeni: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: hi Tess gtsy
oO0Oo Resident: Welcome Tess
Calvino Rabeni: Tess :)
Tess Aristocrat: Hello all :)
Lucinda Lavender: Tess:)
Lawrence Vyceratops: hi, Tess
oO0Oo Resident: make yourself concentric :)
Lucinda Lavender: keep having this idea...of everyone sitting on the edge of the pool with feet in...
Tess Aristocrat: :)
Calvino Rabeni: The different uses of qi as a kind of quality word, remind me of the uses of "jai" in the thai language ... there are lots of "jai" words, and a lot of qualities are referred to that way - it means "... feeling", I'd say, the felt sense of the quality of things
Tess Aristocrat: that could be arranged
Tess Aristocrat: :D
stevenaia Michinaga: no one said it was easy
stevenaia Michinaga: you can aways jsut choose "site" rather than selecting a spot
stevenaia Michinaga: sit
Lucinda Lavender: thought about what kind of chi it might be
stevenaia Michinaga: wet chi
oO0Oo Resident: this is analagous to .. hmmm... before onigokkoo.. there was.. manoeuvring.. (in the old days)
Tess Aristocrat: chi=lly
Tess Aristocrat: yippieeee
Lucinda Lavender: can you say more about wet chi...?
Lucinda Lavender: something was siad eariler...about it being weak?
stevenaia Michinaga: not sure, I jsut made it up
Lucinda Lavender: maybe I got that mixed up...
stevenaia Michinaga: weak chi
Tess Aristocrat: Ah-chi
stevenaia Michinaga: there was this example in a book about chi Gong my as healer who said if you were not well, and atempted to heal someone, you would be giving weak chi, which would not be healthy
Tess Aristocrat: and chi-ky :P
stevenaia Michinaga: which made me wonder about going to any doctor who was having a bad day
Tess Aristocrat: nods
Lucinda Lavender: nodding
Lucinda Lavender: interesting
Lucinda Lavender: I have not really studied about chi so it is something to learn about...
stevenaia Michinaga: if you have access to the www.iching.ws site, you can look at the log
Lucinda Lavender: sure...I will...
stevenaia Michinaga: if not, you can sign up and read the logs
stevenaia Michinaga: I spoke of Chi followed by Paradise talking about Meridians, whch are the pathways of Chi within the body
Lucinda Lavender: ok I am there...
stevenaia Michinaga: have you logged in before?
Tess Aristocrat: I have a friend that is a Sikh. They believe in getting up every day and taking a cold shower. It 'shocks' and invigorates the chi
Lucinda Lavender: yes
Lucinda Lavender: to steve
stevenaia Michinaga: next month Santoshima will be giving a talk on the Indian counterpart of Chi
stevenaia Michinaga: I think it's called Prana?
Calvino Rabeni: qi can get very stagnant in lifestyle habits like sitting at a desk and computer for long periods of time
stevenaia Michinaga: second Saturdays at 2:00
Lucinda Lavender: yes in yoga...prana...associated with the breath I think...
stevenaia Michinaga: and breath w/ Chi
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
--BELL--

Calvino Rabeni: It's odd how compelling are the habits of compartmentalizing knowledge itself ... like the idea of "topics" came through aristotle with the assumption that the world can be divided up into commonplace categories that do not overlap each other
Lucinda Lavender: Pranayama -mindful breathing
Calvino Rabeni: It's a habit of thought, with real consequences about how people live their lives and the quality of those lives
Lucinda Lavender: maybe there is a deep desire to know the boundaries around a concept and that just kind of works against a whole kind of knowing
Lucinda Lavender: making a list so that certain things are not forgotten...to cope...
Calvino Rabeni: yes
Calvino Rabeni: while the boundaries interpenetrate ... or aren't really there
stevenaia Michinaga: nods
Calvino Rabeni: and yes I agree it's an organizational tool to aid remembering
Calvino Rabeni: keep track of complexities of life
stevenaia Michinaga: the need to graps and contain things
Calvino Rabeni: Yes
Lucinda Lavender: the sorting done clears some king of confusion perhaps
Calvino Rabeni: there are 2 related books by David Weinberger, by the way ... one called "Everything is Miscellaneous" and the other "Too Big to Know" .. they are about how the nature of knowlege is shifting as we have new ways to keep track of and organize it and also to access intelligence
Lucinda Lavender: kind
Tess Aristocrat: Well, I must go. Have a great week all. :)
Lucinda Lavender: sounds very interesting
Lucinda Lavender: bye Tess;)
Calvino Rabeni: is a feeling of lack of confusion worth seeing the world in a confusing way that doesn't really match how it is?
Calvino Rabeni: Bye, Tess
stevenaia Michinaga: sometimes you jsut ahve to understand that some things are not understandable
Lawrence Vyceratops: gotta go, too
Calvino Rabeni: perhaps there are many ways of understanding, apprehending, being in relationship to things
Calvino Rabeni: See ya, Lawrence
stevenaia Michinaga: bye lawrence
oO0Oo Resident: Bye Lawrenece :)
Lawrence Vyceratops: bye
oO0Oo Resident: Bye Tess
Lucinda Lavender: bye Lawrence
stevenaia Michinaga: I must be off, thanks Luci, Cal, Samud
Lucinda Lavender: thanks Steve...
oO0Oo Resident: Bye Stev :)
Calvino Rabeni: Bye Stev :)
Lucinda Lavender: so...I am wondering how the ways of knowledge are shifting
oO0Oo Resident: not sure I understand the question Luci.
Lucinda Lavender: thinking about the 2 books Cal mentioned...
Lucinda Lavender: I might need to read the book...
Calvino Rabeni: they don't have to be sorted out into categories as much ... nor be as certain ... can be fresher ... we can search for things by something as specific as a keyword on Google for instance
Calvino Rabeni: aw, just read the Amazon comments
Lucinda Lavender: cool
--BELL--

Calvino Rabeni: The BLOG is interesting too, the author tells about his thought process in working out the whole set of ideas
Lucinda Lavender: :)
Lucinda Lavender: will look forward to reading more...
Calvino Rabeni: It becomes possible for instance to synthesize knowledge about some things from very many sources, either qualitative or symbolic questions, or quantitative information (going now by the name of "Big Data")
Calvino Rabeni: It's more "democratic" in a way
Calvino Rabeni: so for instance you can ask 100,000 people what happiness is to them, rather than finding some "experts" to interpret and declare what it is supposed to be
Calvino Rabeni: so the experts become more "sense makers" rather than definers
Lucinda Lavender: sounds bigger
Lucinda Lavender: not honed down
Lucinda Lavender: many answers
Calvino Rabeni: A collective dream, perhaps
Calvino Rabeni: a dream has its own emergent meaning
Lucinda Lavender: nodding to that
Calvino Rabeni: which doesn't come from looking up symbols in a map or dictionary
Calvino Rabeni: By the way, do you have any experiences about "breaking" dreams from the inside of them, Cinda?
Calvino Rabeni: I mean is it something that has been discussed in circles of dream study?
Lucinda Lavender: what do you mean by breaking...of the moment(lucid)?
Calvino Rabeni: Yeah, when in a dream that is lucid, deciding to end the dream and wake up
Lucinda Lavender: well...I have not experienced too many...but I have had dreams where I decided something was going to need to stop
Calvino Rabeni: something in it, or the dream itself?
Lucinda Lavender: seeing an out of controll situation...and making a choice regarding that...as if I knew there was a change needed
Calvino Rabeni: nods
Lucinda Lavender: had been advised to say a prayer when knowing I was in a ceremonial sort of dream
Calvino Rabeni: makes sense
Lucinda Lavender: (saw my mother...deceased...and wrapped in lavender clothes...so I came up with a prayer...
oO0Oo Resident: Hi Para
Calvino Rabeni: :) Para
Lucinda Lavender: Love you now for all the past and for all the future
Lucinda Lavender: Hi para:)
Calvino Rabeni: That's a good prayer or vow
Paradise Tennant: smiles and waves all round and listens to luci's dream
Calvino Rabeni: We're talking (I think) about dream action and identity
Lucinda Lavender: :)
Lucinda Lavender: I am not one to make prayers much so having the suggesting that a prayer was a good response to a ceremonial situation in a dream..it was helpful
Calvino Rabeni: yes, it wouldn't be immediately obvious when it was good
Calvino Rabeni: I have a question
Lucinda Lavender: and i had been taought that the tanzanite color in dreams was a ceremonial kind of dream
Lucinda Lavender: yes?
Calvino Rabeni: dreams have "symbols" ... though I want to say, the symbols are not just interpreted, but they are created to serve a certain sense of what needs to be true
Calvino Rabeni: so when a dream is broken ... I mean a night dream ... by a conscious choice
Calvino Rabeni: there
Lucinda Lavender: I like that..to serve a certain sense of what is true
Calvino Rabeni: is a discomfort, maybe even a grief at its loss
--BELL--

Calvino Rabeni: so there would be 2 different ways of interpreting that energy of emotion (at least)
Calvino Rabeni: the first is, .. there is a "dreamer" who becomes attached to the dream being a certain way, identified with it, and it's a distressing event to lose it
Calvino Rabeni: the second is, the forms in the dream are very multi-vocal
Lucinda Lavender: :)
Calvino Rabeni: so they are a compromise or blend of many different voices
Calvino Rabeni: some known and some unknown to the "dreamer", maybe some unknowable
Calvino Rabeni: then when the dream breaks, there's a loss of that wholeness
Calvino Rabeni: because there are potentially many voices losing their dreams
Lucinda Lavender: shattered
Calvino Rabeni: as well as the loss of the unity of their collaborative composition
oO0Oo Resident ducks away... ::sorry:: have to leave. Nice to see you all :)
Paradise Tennant: where do all those voices come from :)
Paradise Tennant: nite nite sam
Lucinda Lavender: thanks Sam...:)
Calvino Rabeni: Bye Samuo
Calvino Rabeni: That's a good question isn't it, where do the voices come from?
Lucinda Lavender: maybe from our collective awareness...
Paradise Tennant: do we connect to a less iindividual reality in our dreams one not constrained by our noses ears and eyes
Calvino Rabeni: Maybe they come from the fact that intelligence is fragmentary ... and yet it clusters into self-like structures
Paradise Tennant: always think of our senses as like a little slot .capturing only a fraction of the picture
Lucinda Lavender: interesting
Lucinda Lavender: what you both said
Calvino Rabeni: Senses or sense of identity?
Calvino Rabeni: A limited sense of identity would result in the ability only to apprehend limited aspects of reality
Calvino Rabeni: the mirror has two sides, and looks both ways
Lucinda Lavender: I do not know much about intelligence
Paradise Tennant: suspect maybe dreams are more real than waking :)
Paradise Tennant: we are not really as constrained by our senses though they still define our dream perceptions
Calvino Rabeni: nods
Paradise Tennant: often find I dream of things that happen but they are every day little nuances I can remember the dream and then the moment in reality feels familar and right but usually about something very mundane
Lucinda Lavender: where do the voices come from...was that the question?
Calvino Rabeni: then the waking state is a dream state that is constrained to match certain aspects of what is going on around oneself, and those certain aspects being selected to create the needed symbols for the dream process
Paradise Tennant: yes if dreams are collaborative .. where do the voices come from
Paradise Tennant: smiles research :)))
Calvino Rabeni: that makes a good question, yes
Calvino Rabeni: it wouldn't be just one way..? just like there are many ways that mountains get created
Lucinda Lavender: probably yes!
Calvino Rabeni: one way would be, for instance, the loss of innocence in childhood ... a young person has an experience that is too intense or confusing, and innocence breaks
Calvino Rabeni: then it's like there are now 2 voices after the break
Calvino Rabeni: they are still connected by a thread .. but the worlds have divided as have the yearnings or eros that created the worlds
--BELL--

Paradise Tennant: hmm if you are talking of a sexual awakening don't think that it fragments you it is just part of the whole .. don't think innocence is lost .. by it really it is just a layer of experience .. very natural r
Calvino Rabeni: I didn't mean sexual in the adult sense
Paradise Tennant: ok
Lucinda Lavender: one voice saying...x is scary...another saying time to keep going...attending
Paradise Tennant: the fragmentation that divides is the illusion that we are distinct
Calvino Rabeni: but it is a little like the threads of meaning and energy go back in time to a younger person, they are less differentiated, and all overlap as parts of a more unified life energy
Paradise Tennant: what is the scary x
Lucinda Lavender: not sure...but anything overwhelming I suppose
Calvino Rabeni: Or anything needing radical experimentation, perhaps
Paradise Tennant: would be interesting to see if we could dream together
Paradise Tennant: a long time ago cal you talked of some kind of telephone experiment where there had to be a kind of telepathy or .. implicit understanding between people separated by distance
Calvino Rabeni: the adult persona is like someone who if you trace things back, you find a part that stayed home to guard a treasure, and another that went out to explore the world
Lucinda Lavender: Luci is recalling several scary things from child hood...but I don't really know how to converse also about dreaming...it is a jump for me to dreaming
Calvino Rabeni: nods
Lucinda Lavender: ah
Calvino Rabeni: Jung said something like there is buried gold in the subconscious
Lucinda Lavender: the explorer vs the hiding one
Calvino Rabeni: something valuable left there for safekeeping
Calvino Rabeni: yes those 2
Calvino Rabeni: one hiding the gold
Paradise Tennant: hmmm exploration does not require you to wear out your sneakers :)
Paradise Tennant: there is lots of exploration one can do just sitting still :))
Calvino Rabeni: Inner space?
Paradise Tennant: guarding your smiles inner .. divinity :)
Lucinda Lavender: what is the gold?
Calvino Rabeni: Sorry Para, I don't remember the telephone experiment
Calvino Rabeni: Yes, divinity :)
Lucinda Lavender: ok
Lucinda Lavender: I remember the discussion a bit
Paradise Tennant: we were going to try it one nite maybe mitzi brought it up
Lucinda Lavender: there was a website
Lucinda Lavender: yes mitzi
Calvino Rabeni: Or faith, or a knowledge of certain possibilities and freedoms
Paradise Tennant: miss mitzi
Paradise Tennant: yes there was a website L(
Calvino Rabeni: Nods, I heard from Mitzi
Paradise Tennant: so fun and sparky :)
Calvino Rabeni: that's right :)
Lucinda Lavender: I will need to go...
Calvino Rabeni: I do too actually
Lucinda Lavender: thanks for the great discussion
Paradise Tennant: okies nite nite luci :)) sweet connected dreams
Paradise Tennant: me too
Paradise Tennant: late here a minute to midnight :)
Lucinda Lavender: planting little seeds
Calvino Rabeni: Thanks Para and Cinda for the conversations and communions
Lucinda Lavender: :)
Calvino Rabeni: Take care, dream well :)
Paradise Tennant: smiles thank you cal .. luci for the conversation and the company :)) and maybe we will meet in a dream :)
Lucinda Lavender: would not be surprised
Calvino Rabeni: nods
Calvino Rabeni: bye!
Paradise Tennant: smiles and poufs
Lucinda Lavender: bye!