2010.09.12 08:00 - Guardian Session: Puzzled Scribes Catching Hopping Frogs

There were nine guardians present for this week's session: Adams Rubble : Aphrodite Macbain : Bleu Oleander : Bruce Mowbray : Eliza Madrigal : Eos Amaterasu : Lucinda Lavender : Riddle Sideways : Yakuzza Lethecus

:) Eliza posted this meeting, but could not find the 'indent' button...

Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Aph.
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Eos and Bleu :)
Adams Rubble: Hello Eos and Bleu :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi. Do you have your place yet?
Bleu Oleander: hi everyone :)
Eos Amaterasu: Hi beings :-)
Eliza Madrigal: ~~
Eliza Madrigal: ;-)
Adams Rubble: Hello fellow being Eos :)
Bruce Mowbray: Yes. . . I have chosen my plot and need to give Storm more information. What we thought were coordinates are NOT coordinates.
Eliza Madrigal: Oooh
Eos Amaterasu: the dispossesed
Aphrodite Macbain: Did you get the ones I sent you?
Bruce Mowbray: I thought I gave you the coordinated and you agrees they were right.
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Riddle.
Bleu Oleander: hi Riddle
Riddle Sideways: Hi EveryBody
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Riddle :)
Adams Rubble: Hello Riddle :)
Aphrodite Macbain: I could have been wrong. I returned later and then sent you what I thought were the coordinates.
Bruce Mowbray: OK. I'll check that out.
Bruce Mowbray: thanks, Aph.
Adams Rubble: the coordinates are the numbers at the top of your screen after Bieup
Adams Rubble: when you are standing there
Bruce Mowbray: OK. THANKS, Adams.
Aphrodite Macbain: That's what I sent you last night when I was standing on your future plot
Aphrodite Macbain: I left you a potted plant!
Bruce Mowbray: OK. Thanks, Aph.
Adams Rubble: Hello Lucinda
Bleu Oleander: hi Luci
Bruce Mowbray: I'll go back there after our meeting.
Eliza Madrigal: Glad to hear that you guys are building, and I guess coordinating a bit? The village will look nice and full :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Lucinda :))
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Luci.
Aphrodite Macbain: K
Lucinda Lavender: hi all:)

Bleu Oleander: is everyone working on their photos for the new art project?
 

Aphrodite Macbain: yes. It will be fun to work together to create the middle plaza
Bleu Oleander: speaking of building :)
Aphrodite Macbain: I don't seem to have had time
Bleu Oleander: Storm cleared the previous ones and now ready for the new ones
Eos Amaterasu's being puzzled requires being active
Eliza Madrigal: Yay :) I'm getting excited for the next exhibit...
Aphrodite Macbain: Bruce gave me a photograph he took of yesterday's 1pm session and it's in my inventory. Can someone tell me how to copy it into the log?
Bleu Oleander: I put two of my photos there to get it started
Bruce Mowbray: Bleu aready has two pictures posted in the dome.
Bruce Mowbray: opps -- (redundancy, there.)
Bleu Oleander: :)
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Eliza Madrigal: Aph, if it is the same for the current wiki, then you 'attach' your photo at the bottom of the page where it says 'attach file'
Eliza Madrigal: then you go back to the main page, 'edit' and insert it where you like
Eos Amaterasu: Then,when in Editor mode, use the "image" button to insert a selected image at that place in the log
Eliza Madrigal: It is actually easier than it used to be, because now you don't have to drag it all around to put it where you want. It shows up there quicker
Aphrodite Macbain: Yes but I cant "copy" the photo in my inventory only from my own computer files
Eos Amaterasu: Yes
Eos Amaterasu: Yes, Aph
Eliza Madrigal: ah, yes... there's me missing a key point again. The 'image' button
Eliza Madrigal: hah
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, Aph -- you first have to "attach" (upload) your photo from your hard drive - then insert it whever you want it.
Riddle Sideways wonders how many photos will be of our puzzled PaB sessions
Eos Amaterasu: being technically challenged
Aphrodite Macbain: It isn't in my hard drive tho it's in my SL inventory
Adams Rubble: ohhh, then you have to pay $10L to upload it to your hard drive
Aphrodite Macbain: which I suppose is somewhere in my hard drive...
Eliza Madrigal: ohhh... well in that case I defer to someone who may know how to convert between inventory and hard drive
Eliza Madrigal: Thanks Adams :)
Aphrodite Macbain: oh OK
Adams Rubble: or do a screen copy
Aphrodite Macbain: yikes! what's that?
Eos Amaterasu: Isn't the 10$L to upload from your hard drive into your SL inventory?
Bleu Oleander: both ways 10$L
Adams Rubble: It goes both ways Eos, They get you coming and going
Aphrodite Macbain: yes Eos. That's what I thought
Eos Amaterasu: :-(
Eos Amaterasu: grrrrr....
Aphrodite Macbain: hehe
Adams Rubble: in windows you do a cntl=print screen which copies the scrren
Aphrodite Macbain: Is it raining all over the world or just here in Vancouver?
Eos Amaterasu: but it's not "real" money, ha ha
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eos Amaterasu: not here at the moment
Adams Rubble: then you can paste it into a blank file in Photoshop or some other image tool
Lucinda Lavender: just gray and misty in Seattle...
Aphrodite Macbain: Ctl=print screen?
Bleu Oleander: sunny here
Bruce Mowbray: OR, you can also use an application like "Snagit" to do a screen copy (or a video copy, or a portion of the scree, etc.)
Aphrodite Macbain: good. It' hasn't stopped since last evening
Eos Amaterasu: shift-command 3 on Mac copies screen
Adams Rubble: cntl-prt sc

Riddle Sideways: froggy here in calif
Adams Rubble: froggy?
Eos Amaterasu recalls the Al Capp character who always had a rain cloud over his head...
Aphrodite Macbain: wow a whole new function on my keyboard!
Eos Amaterasu: heh he
Lucinda Lavender: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: PrtScrn
Aphrodite Macbain: THANKS! But I don't want to prt I want to save in my C drive
Eos Amaterasu: hasn't rained frogs here in ages:-)
Aphrodite Macbain: what was that movie where it rained toads?
Adams Rubble: Joe Btfsplk
Riddle Sideways: torah
Eos Amaterasu: Yes, Adams!
Aphrodite Macbain: right!
Lucinda Lavender: I experienced the raining of frogs in the back woods of arkansas once...
Eliza Madrigal: heheh, I remember your mentioning that Lucinda. Would love to hear more...
Aphrodite Macbain looks puzzledly at Luci
Eos Amaterasu: photo op!

Aphrodite Macbain: :-)

Bleu Oleander: did someone say puzzle?
 

Eliza Madrigal: hahah
Aphrodite Macbain: hehe
Lucinda Lavender: was driving in a huge rainstorm and they jumped off the sides of the road right in front of the car!
Aphrodite Macbain: what puzzles did you make Bleu?
Lucinda Lavender: no light except the car's...
Aphrodite Macbain: wow. how eerie
Lucinda Lavender: yes
Bleu Oleander: you can see my puzzle on my plot Aph
Aphrodite Macbain: thump thump thump
Adams Rubble: oh my Luucinda
Aphrodite Macbain: OK bleu
Lucinda Lavender: ll likes the puzzle...
Eliza Madrigal: I bet the frogs were more puzzled than Lucinda...
Lucinda Lavender: maybe so Eliza
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Eliza - I love your title astral blossom
Lucinda Lavender: it caused hysterical laughter as I remember...
Aphrodite Macbain: yes hysteria tinged with horror!
Eliza Madrigal: Thanks Aphrodite, this is from Fael's store :) It is Fael who placed the flower in the pond and makes lovely things like that...

Aphrodite Macbain: Is there an agenda for this meeting?
Adams Rubble: 1. frogs
Adams Rubble: 2
Aphrodite Macbain: Lovely Eliza. I don't think I have met Fael yet
Eliza Madrigal: Not as such, but Being Puzzled is a good focus, and I'd like everyone to take a look at recent scribes which are really nice this month...
Adams Rubble: 2. Joe Btfsplk
Eliza Madrigal: http://wiki.playasbeing.org/PaB_Scribe_Project/2010/08
Bruce Mowbray: 4. jetpacks.
Eliza Madrigal: hahah Adams... not sure whether to press for more on 2
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Yakuzza :)
Adams Rubble: Hello Yak
Bleu Oleander: hey Yaku
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
Riddle Sideways: Hi Yaku, nice drop in
Lucinda Lavender: Hi Yaku
Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Yaku!
Eos Amaterasu: ~~, y
Lucinda Lavender: I have something that I would like to report
Eos Amaterasu: /me listens
Lucinda Lavender: and it is something I am puzzled by...
Eos Amaterasu: photo op
Bleu Oleander: :)
Lucinda Lavender: loss of the ability to claim a session...

Eliza Madrigal: The scribe project is something that needs to change a bit... have been thinking of ways to simplify so that perhaps rather than one person reading three days, each person reads more perhaps or zeroes in on a theme/idea and writes or even paints/draws something about that, with thoughts, etc. I donno...
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, sorry Lucinda
Aphrodite Macbain: please contunue
Lucinda Lavender: I think the scribe discussion is first...
Aphrodite Macbain: I don't even know what the scribe project is. So much going on here!
Eliza Madrigal: Well, that's about it. I'd like to play with the project a bit... make some room. There are all kinds of examples of ways it can be done
Eliza Madrigal: so would love ideas.

Anyway, it is strange that you were able to claim, and then weren't....
 

Eos Amaterasu: play as scribe
Eos Amaterasu: with such questions IMing Storm is often the magical gesture needed
Eliza Madrigal: haha Aphrodite, yes there is. It is nice to see through new eyes and think "wow"
Lucinda Lavender: Aphrodite helped me ...ok storm....will do
Eos Amaterasu: or Wol

Lucinda Lavender: I have enjoyed reading the scribe work ...
 

Aphrodite Macbain: are you IMing Storm Luci?
Lucinda Lavender: wol...yes
Eliza Madrigal: Nice to hear that Lucinda!
Lucinda Lavender: well not at this moment...I could try that
Bleu Oleander: sorry ... need to go .... don't forget to bring your photos to the Village Square this week! :)
Eliza Madrigal: Thanks Bleu! Thanks for all the notices too!
Aphrodite Macbain: No it appeared you were talking to Storm. Must have been confused again:-)
Bleu Oleander: IM me if anyone needs help
Bleu Oleander: bfn :)
Aphrodite Macbain: In installing the photos?
Lucinda Lavender: thanks Bleu..

Riddle Sideways: luci, looks like you lost Guardian status. Storm can help with that
Lucinda Lavender: I have just sent a note to Storm but his response will come later...
Lucinda Lavender: ah...that is what I was wondering. it happens...

Eliza Madrigal: Wol responded in email that she'd check out what was going on with the logger, so that will help.
Eliza Madrigal: What it may be, is that when I first added you, I was spelling your last name wrong
Eliza Madrigal: I was spelling it Lavendar
Lucinda Lavender: ah!
Lucinda Lavender: interesting...
Eliza Madrigal: but then I'm not sure why you were able to claim and then are not now

Lucinda Lavender: I was set up by Storm and with this latest version of 2 I lost it...

Eliza Madrigal: So when I add someone as a guardian, I send a message to Steve and Storm and Wol and Cal... to add various other places like wiki and listener
Eliza Madrigal: Ohhh, interesting... viewer switch mischief
Lucinda Lavender: yes
Adams Rubble: You do have to wear your guardian tag to claim the log
Lucinda Lavender: did not know that...

Riddle Sideways: Re: Scribe on a Theme: would be very nice, but would require even more days of reading
Adams Rubble: One problem with trying to scribe a theme is that the sessions do not fit :)

Lucinda Lavender: I joined a new group recently and the inventory moves my highlight to that every time I check it.
Eliza Madrigal: Riddle, thanks... yes I wonder about this. While we don't want to skip over sessions... sometimes I think it is possible to read a week in a quicker way and what jumps out is where one might dwell...
Lucinda Lavender: dropping this issue of my claiming for now...
Eliza Madrigal: :) It is good to see these things, thanks Lucinda
Eliza Madrigal: helps us to get smoother and smoother

Adams Rubble: I have felt it is important to go with the flow of the sessions

Eos Amaterasu likes "what jumps out is where one might dwell..."
Eliza Madrigal: like a frog ;-)
Adams Rubble: :)
Adams Rubble: some sessions are like a frog (giggles)
Eliza Madrigal: for sure, hahah
Eos Amaterasu: old log, and a frog-jump-in-water sound

Eliza Madrigal: So maybe where we start with little birds, we now let the frogs chime in....
Eliza Madrigal: as Maxine says "frogs first"
Bruce Mowbray: Folks -- I need to be moving on. Thanks, everyone. See you all later.
Eos Amaterasu wonders if frogs chime...
Eliza Madrigal can easily get carried away
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Bruce :)
Adams Rubble: we need more scribes
Eos Amaterasu: ciao, bruce
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye bruce
Adams Rubble: bye Bruce
Aphrodite Macbain: I'm going to hop out of here now and puzzle my way to a puzzle

Eliza Madrigal sees the English teacher running, sensing writing tasks... heheh

Eliza Madrigal: Bye Aphrodite :)
Lucinda Lavender: I am afraid I am very busy at my work right now...
Adams Rubble: bye Aphrodite
Aphrodite Macbain: bye all have a lovely Sunday
Lucinda Lavender: bye Aph:)
Eliza Madrigal: yes, this is what it seems important to address... that it does take a while to pull together a scribe
Lucinda Lavender: will come visit your garden...
Eliza Madrigal: so how can we make that more doable
Adams Rubble: It is fairly easy to do a straight forward reporting
Eliza Madrigal: It is an important role... scribing... they are spoonfulls to let people taste the sessions... get to the essence somehow... ideally

Adams Rubble: when we talk of creativity, the time needed greatly increases

Eos Amaterasu: I suppose an organized approach (that Pema exemplifies, but perhaps few others) is to log personally highlights as you experience and read them, andthen post those
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Adams Rubble: I can do the three days in one evening (2 o3 hours) in a straight reporting approach

Lucinda Lavender: I sense that there are some interesting questions just on the horizon of my mind...
Eliza Madrigal: I used to feel that I wanted to give everyone a voice in each scribe... there are all kinds of ways we add in things that make it take longer...
Adams Rubble: I tried that the last time Eliza...did not get past the first session :)
Eliza Madrigal: hehe, yes... what it does is add layers....
Eliza Madrigal: so one has to back up and trust that in the big picture one will have been attentive
Eliza Madrigal: so much going on, as Aphrodite said
Eliza Madrigal: impossible to highlight everything!

Eliza Madrigal: Your scribes are very smooth Adams...
Eliza Madrigal: would you like to say more about process?
Adams Rubble: when I scribe, my biiggest fear is that I will miss the meaning of a person or the sense of a session
Eliza Madrigal: mmm, nods... that you will somehow misrepresent?
Adams Rubble: I do very much what Eos described Eliza
Lucinda Lavender: authenticity...
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Adams Rubble: look for things that speak to me in a session
Adams Rubble: things that pop out

Eliza Madrigal: I think we learn as much about the scribe as about the sessions, when reading
Adams Rubble: I did one session with a theme at the very beginning but that one fit at that time
Adams Rubble: I haven't found one that fit since then
Eos Amaterasu: yeah, scribing is autobiography in a way
Adams Rubble: It does set a terribly high bar
Eliza Madrigal: so you take your cue, rather than making a pattern
Eliza Madrigal: yes, neat idea Eos
Adams Rubble: to be trying to force a theme
Eos Amaterasu: Calvino does a kind of "greatest hits" thing - recommends certain sessions
Eliza Madrigal: yes, Calvino's last scribe was really amazing, too.... the poem
Eliza Madrigal: It will be his last for a while, unfortunately

Eliza Madrigal: These DO take attention and creativity, which is why it seems like doing them 'for a time' is right
Eliza Madrigal: And I love to hear Agatha's wit ....
Eos Amaterasu: yeah.... maybe trying to find shorter, less time-consuming ways of accomplishing the same intention would be good
Adams Rubble: I would hate to have to do a whole week at a time
Eliza Madrigal: and Sharon has little hidden things she does, patterns that are like winks to herself
Eos Amaterasu: :-)
Eos Amaterasu thinks, beyond "links", "winks"

Eliza Madrigal: the week idea was hm... maybe less intensive reading over a longer period of time...
Eliza Madrigal: but just throwing out ideas
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Adams Rubble: :)
Eliza Madrigal: winking hopping frogs

Riddle Sideways: BTW (and I would hate to interject facts) "it is grey and froggy outside" probably comes from 'according to Garp'. Kids and I have said it for years.

Adams Rubble: it would require fewer scribes

Eos Amaterasu: mabye we just self-publish all our random walks through our subsets of sessions

Adams Rubble: Should we consider discontinuing the scribes?
Lucinda Lavender: :)
Eliza Madrigal: haha, thanks Riddle
Eliza Madrigal: I really love the scribes...
Eliza Madrigal: so that's hard to think about :)

Eliza Madrigal: there must be a way to 'hold them differently' as Stim might say?
Eos Amaterasu: sounds like a CIA operation....
Eliza Madrigal hears music
Eliza Madrigal: I'm referring to a session in which Stim said it isn't always necessary to 'drop'... that dropping something might just mean holding it differently....

Lucinda Lavender: has there ever been a dream about scribing I wonder...
Eos Amaterasu: (great idea!)
Eliza Madrigal smiles and has definitely had dreams of reading chat logs... hah
Adams Rubble: Before the scribes, there used to be little snippets in the Chronicles
Eliza Madrigal: Ah... hm....
Adams Rubble: :) about the dreaming

Eos Amaterasu: yeah, dropping your embrace means giving up to the universe's embrace

Eliza Madrigal: :) Nice
Eos Amaterasu wonders if Eliza edits chat logs in her dreams
Lucinda Lavender: :)
Riddle Sideways: :)
Eliza Madrigal: Supposedly, one isn't supposed to be able to read in dreams, but I do experience dreams where it does seem I'm reading... and editing and such
Eliza Madrigal: who knows :)
Eos Amaterasu hopes Luci does a print-screen of her scribing dreams
Eliza Madrigal: oooooh yes

Lucinda Lavender: after this discussion I would watch for a new way of holding the scribe work

Eliza Madrigal: That's kind of what I was thinking with the drawing or sketching idea too....
Eliza Madrigal: My son doesn't like to write, for instance, finds it tedious
Eliza Madrigal: but he will sketch characters from dreams
Eliza Madrigal: and I've enjoyed people's pictures in the time session reports a lot
Eliza Madrigal: lots of things besides words to work with maybe
Lucinda Lavender: we have the Rubiks cube which has served as an image ariound puzzles
Eliza Madrigal: So we have a scribing puzzle :)
Lucinda Lavender: and I am wondering if there is an image that will hop out...
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Eliza Madrigal: good thing for us all to look for
Eliza Madrigal: Thanks so much for the brainstorming
Eos Amaterasu: being puzzled by scribing
Eos Amaterasu: how to de-scribe being
Eliza Madrigal: :) hahaha
Eliza Madrigal: HiS teve
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Steve, too
Adams Rubble: brainstorming frogs
Eos Amaterasu: being de-scribed
Lucinda Lavender: :)))
Adams Rubble: Hello Steve
Eliza Madrigal giggling wildly
Riddle Sideways: Hi Stev
Eos Amaterasu: ~~, ST
Lucinda Lavender: inscribed
stevenaia Michinaga: hello
Lucinda Lavender: Hi Steve
stevenaia Michinaga: looks at watch, late
Eliza Madrigal: Scribble Scrabble
Eos Amaterasu: the future pre-scribes
Eliza Madrigal: quite, Steve :) Nice to see you though
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
Lucinda Lavender: authenticity ...

Eos Amaterasu: scribing is really how we tell our story to ourselves
Eos Amaterasu: group dreamtiming
Eliza Madrigal: mmmm, yes
Eos Amaterasu: like shadow-puppet plays, except avatar plays
Eos Amaterasu: actually, re-telling
Eos Amaterasu: the chat log is the original story, but it's like Rashomon
Lucinda Lavender: holding the idea of scribing diffently...
Lucinda Lavender: what then is the scope of the scribe?
Eos Amaterasu: what about the word itself ("scribe")?
Eos Amaterasu: should we think outside the word?

Eos Amaterasu looks at watch, 'time to jump down the rabbithole'...
Adams Rubble: yes, lunch time here :)
Eliza Madrigal: yes, seems it is that time...
Adams Rubble: in the rain
Yakuzza Lethecus sneaks out, i wish everyone a great rest of the sunday
Eos Amaterasu: thanks everyone!
Eliza Madrigal: Lucinda, the scope of the scribe is what I was thinking we should look at
Adams Rubble: Have a great day everyone :)
Eliza Madrigal: perhaps hold differently, yes
Eliza Madrigal: Thanks SO much everyone
Lucinda Lavender: I will think about it...
Riddle Sideways: yes, thanks all
stevenaia Michinaga: gtsy all
Eliza Madrigal: Much appreciation for you all. Namaste
Lucinda Lavender: great day to all...
Riddle Sideways: need to puzzle about
Eliza Madrigal: haha, yes me too
stevenaia Michinaga: jet packs, Eliza?
Eliza Madrigal giggles... yes and I have no idea how to use it yet
stevenaia Michinaga: :)