2011.04.13 13:00 - "It's PaB Circles All the Way Down"

The Guardian for this meeting was Bruce Mowbray - subbing for Fefonz. The photos are by Bruce Mowbray.

Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Wol!
Riddle Sideways: Hi Wol and Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, riddle.
Riddle Sideways: and Hi Druth
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, druth.
druth Vlodovic: hey
Wol Euler: hello druth, bruce, riddle
--BELL--
Riddle Sideways: do you get nervous sitting over there?
druth Vlodovic: aww, we all wanted to sit and admire you from across the fountain
Wol Euler: sorry :)
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Wol Euler: I don't like sitting like that, it feels like an interview panel
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Boxy!
Riddle Sideways: hi, ouch boxy
Wol Euler: bosy
Wol Euler: boxy
druth Vlodovic: cuddly puppy :)
Bruce Mowbray: perhaps Woly should have stayed over where she was!
Riddle Sideways: Boxy, see that you did not move back when ya last left
Alfred Kelberry: oops :)
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Riddle Sideways: a cute puppy and it's balloon

Alfred Kelberry: :)
Riddle Sideways: should be doing other things but am in limbo right now
Wol Euler: an unusual place to be
Riddle Sideways: wanted to see if this session crashes or what else
Bruce Mowbray: yes, especially the 'what else.'
Alfred Kelberry: *gets comfy on woly's cushion*
Wol Euler: :)
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Alfred Kelberry: well, good to see you all
Riddle Sideways: Bruce, can you tell us more about this Original Faces thing
Riddle Sideways: sessions, project, special
Alfred Kelberry: oh, thanks for bringing it up, cute elephant
Bruce Mowbray: yeppers.
Bruce Mowbray: First let me grab the wiki page that Calvino made for that . . .
Riddle Sideways: after all boxy/puppy is all about comtemptativenesses
Riddle Sideways: http://wiki.playasbeing.org/Guardian_Pages/Guardians'_Contributions/Calvino/Groups/Original_Face/Description
Alfred Kelberry: maybe someone can explain to me the meaning of this question underlining the project's mission: what did your face look like before your parents were born?
Riddle Sideways: Hey QT
Riddle Sideways: hey Arch
Bruce Mowbray: Thanks!
Wol Euler: hello arch, qt
Alfred Kelberry: qt :)
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Arch!
Qt Core: Hi all
Bruce Mowbray: That is an allusion to a Zen koan.
druth Vlodovic: qt, arch :)
Riddle Sideways: oh and Hi Koya and Blub
Archmage Atlantis: My face was their dreams
Bruce Mowbray: The Original Face group hopes to be a laboratory - of sorts - of contemplative practice. . .
Archmage Atlantis: My reality is the best I can co
Bruce Mowbray: (as explained in the wiki page that Riddle posted in the chat for us.)
Archmage Atlantis: Close enuf?
Bruce Mowbray: If anyone has specific questions about the group, I'd be happy to try to answer them.
Alfred Kelberry: archy, nice :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi everyone :)
Alfred Kelberry: maybe it's a question of heritage then
Riddle Sideways: Hi SS
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Qt!
Alfred Kelberry: neko girl :)
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, SS.
Archmage Atlantis: Everyone I see here has been here a while, Bruce
Qt Core: hi ssl
Alfred Kelberry: what do you think, woly girl?
Bruce Mowbray: I'm focusing on Boxy and Wol -- sry, Arch.
Wol Euler: about what?
druth Vlodovic: what is likely to be different about it than the main meets?
Alfred Kelberry: the original face question
Wol Euler: what is the question?
Wol Euler: (hello sharon)
Alfred Kelberry: "what did your face look like before your parents were born?"
Archmage Atlantis: Reboot
Wol Euler: I've no idea :)
Archmage Atlantis: The question?
Qt Core: a mix of the ones of my greatparents ?
Alfred Kelberry: archy put it nicely: My face was their dreams
Bruce Mowbray: That's what a koan does -- it gives you "no idea."
Alfred Kelberry: bruce, does it give anything at all?
Riddle Sideways: the sound of one hand slapping you on the forehead
Bruce Mowbray: How could your parents have dreams before they were born, Al?
Archmage Atlantis: My grandparents had dreams for my parents
Wol Euler: hello gem
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Gem
Riddle Sideways: hi Gem and Zen
Wol Euler: come and join us, we seldom bite
Gem Weiz: hello
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Zen
Archmage Atlantis: My great grand parents had dreams for my grandparents
Qt Core: Hi Gem, Zen
Archmage Atlantis: The lineage goes back.....and it goes forward
Alfred Kelberry: bruce, i think archy meant ancestors in general who supposedly thought about future offsprings
Zen Arado: Hi Y'all
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Gem.
Wol Euler: hello zen
Wol Euler: Gem, have you been here before?
Alfred Kelberry: zen-san :)
Gem Weiz: I have, yes
druth Vlodovic: how they lived and who they chose to be that influenced who you are
Gem Weiz: but not for a long time
Wol Euler: ok, so you know about the recording? Good.
Gem Weiz: yes
Bruce Mowbray: wb, Gem!
Archmage Atlantis: Even those like me with no biological/genetic after me
Archmage Atlantis: We dream
Alfred Kelberry: ruby gems :)
Zen Arado: they didn't use the categorical imperative Druth?
Zen Arado: :)
Alfred Kelberry: zen has a laptop
druth Vlodovic: the what now?
--BELL--
Wol Euler: but not much else :)
Wol Euler: all I can see is his prims
Wol Euler: oh, just rezzed :)
Archmage Atlantis: Zen has a laptop........wow, is that like the buddha has a blackberry?
Zen Arado: it's an old laptop
Zen Arado: needs an upgrade
Riddle Sideways: Hi Wander2
Zen Arado: Hi Susan
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Susan. Good to see you again.
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Susan
Archmage Atlantis: All we are, we are
Wol Euler: hello susan
Qt Core: hi iwander
iwandertoo Resident: waves
Bruce Mowbray: look out for Zen's laptop!!! oh dear.
Zen Arado: not many seats here tonight
Bruce Mowbray: nice, huh?
druth Vlodovic: wol finds the cushions uncomfortable today
Wol Euler: :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles, i thought it was balanced
Wol Euler: oh, you're right
Wol Euler: my bad
SophiaSharon Larnia: heh
druth Vlodovic: now it's cozy, over here anyway
Bruce Mowbray: one more thing (well, 2 more things) about the Original Face group, if I may. . .
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Zen Arado: there's a pea under it
Wol Euler: please do
SophiaSharon Larnia: lol zen
Bruce Mowbray: there will be a theme session about the group here on Saturday - 1 p.m.
Archmage Atlantis: u may, B
Bruce Mowbray: and, the regular group's meetings will be at 11 a.m. on Mondays.
Bruce Mowbray: (at Cal's plot).
Bruce Mowbray: ty.
Archmage Atlantis: We may not pay attention, but that does not stop you from may-ing
Zen Arado: ty Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: ahhh -- "The Princess and the Pea."
Bruce Mowbray: one of my favorites.
Zen Arado: hehe
Gem Weiz: I have a question for everyone (Gem is something of a pea in the mattress today). I am doing a presentation about how people gather together in SL and would like to have some visual illustrations for those who have never participated. I have snapshots of several different venues and though this would be an interesting setting to show. Plus I know exchanges here are already recorded, so thought a picture might not be invasive. Plus I will use a snapshot, so no names. But just let me know if that's not something you want to be a part of :)
Bruce Mowbray: [done with his dissertation re the OF group]
Wol Euler: fine by me, gem
Gem Weiz: thanks wol. if you aren't comfortable, though, you could let me know by IM
SophiaSharon Larnia: sure gem
Bruce Mowbray: sure! sounds good, Gem.
druth Vlodovic: I like the movie where afterwards you see the mother in law pulling antlers and crockery out from the mattress, there is fate and there is fate :)
Archmage Atlantis: Gem....I am open.......to be open is to gain entrance
Qt Core: no problem for me
SophiaSharon Larnia: thanks for asking
Zen Arado: np for me either
Zen Arado: (poses)
SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
Gem Weiz: I don't want to steal any avatar souls ;)
Zen Arado: (with laptop)
Bruce Mowbray: Do you need a screen to display your photos, Gem?
Gem Weiz: lol thanks zen ;)
Gem Weiz: a screen?
Gem Weiz: oh so everyone can see? that would be fine :)
Bruce Mowbray: I could build a big screen and you could slide your photos (textures) over to it.
Gem Weiz: sure :)
Bruce Mowbray: Have you uploaded your photos, Gem?
Gem Weiz: I was just going to take an sl snapshot here
Gem Weiz: now.
SophiaSharon Larnia: would like to hear more about this presentation :)
Bruce Mowbray: I already have one. . .
Bruce Mowbray: but OK.
Gem Weiz: but I can show you some others if you like :) My travel photo....
Archmage Atlantis: Then, Gem, include yourself
Gem Weiz: vacation pictures
Bruce Mowbray: I thought you said you have a lot of scenes from other venues.
Zen Arado: wondr if I should change my shirt?
SophiaSharon Larnia: zen!
Archmage Atlantis: How you fit here
Archmage Atlantis: That is valid
SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
Bruce Mowbray would also love to hear more about the presentation.
Gem Weiz: oh, I do have some from other venues. But I am going to show them in rl. and I just want to make sure it is ok if I snap one here, as an example.
druth Vlodovic: who is the intended audience? business?
Gem Weiz: One of my goals is to protect people's privacy. So I want to sort of obfuscate a bit by showing a variety of venues ;)
Gem Weiz: every one smile :)
druth Vlodovic: "just spell my name right"
Archmage Atlantis: You do not need to protect my privacy
SophiaSharon Larnia: haha
Gem Weiz: hmmm, your last name is tough
Archmage Atlantis: If I need privacy, I can provide my own
Riddle Sideways: back.
SophiaSharon Larnia: wb Riddle
Bruce Mowbray: OK -- I've given permissions on the screen behind you. . .
Riddle Sideways: Gem, there are lots of photos on the wiki front page
Gem Weiz: well, privacy is interesting in sl, isn't it? our rl identity is already hidden (usually)
Bruce Mowbray: You should now be able to slide textures onto it.
Archmage Atlantis: The conversation is going sideways, your turn R
SophiaSharon Larnia: being in this group kind of does away with that over time, Gem
SophiaSharon Larnia: maybe at first
druth Vlodovic: a land of real people, on account of none of us are really here
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Gem Weiz: But at the same time, we as represented by the avatar develop a persona that might have a stake in being known to be in one place or another or say one thing or another
Wol Euler: O.O
Gem Weiz: sorry if I am distracting the conversation, arch. didn't mean to go on too long about it :)
Wol Euler: yes, gem, there are issues of knowledge and identity here too
Bruce Mowbray is just testing . . . Do not pay attention to that woodpecker behind the curtain...

SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles at Bruce, I love that woodpecker
Riddle Sideways: Druth is writing all this down?
--BELL--
Gem Weiz: of course you could argue that we are in a public place and so there isn't any privacy....but it still seems polite to ask ;)
Bruce Mowbray: ;-) You wouldn't love his pecking at your window during all daylight hours, though, Sharon.
druth Vlodovic: aww, yaku isn't here, I wanted to have a long chat with him about the arbitrary masks imposed on us by nature, vs the real images we invent ourselves
SophiaSharon Larnia: im sure i wouldn't :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: my cat would be fascinated
Gem Weiz: the arbitrary masks? our fleshy faces?
Bruce Mowbray: So, how are we going to see Gem's presentation?
Zen Arado: how are they real if we invent them ourselves Druth?
druth Vlodovic: created by chance, face body, the sound of our voices
Bruce Mowbray puts on 3D glasses.
SophiaSharon Larnia: an arbitrary mask in the sense seems pretty definite, unless you get plastic surgery
Wol Euler: hello storm
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Storm.
Riddle Sideways: hi fearsome Storm
Zen Arado: Hi Storm
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Storm
druth Vlodovic: but when we invent then ourselves then they proceed from ourselves, and are a truer representation
iwandertoo Resident: waves
Storm Nordwind: Hello everyone
Zen Arado: stops singing
Archmage Atlantis: Hello Architecht
Zen Arado: :)
Bruce Mowbray: ty, Gem, for the photo.
Qt Core: Hi Storm
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Riddle Sideways: there complete circle

Wol Euler: full circle! we get bonus karma points for that
Riddle Sideways: joy
SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
Bruce Mowbray: That photo will appear in the chat log (wiki) -- I hope that's all right with everyone.
Archmage Atlantis: Um
Wol Euler: ty gem -- but you aren't in it
Archmage Atlantis: who is in the brown cushion by Wol and SSL?
SophiaSharon Larnia: has your avatar shrunk Storm, or is my computer acting weird
Bruce Mowbray: that's the hazard of being the photographer, Wol.
Gem Weiz: I think I am in all of them...which is easier to do in sl than rl
Gem Weiz: group pictures in sl are like wedding party pictures in rl, someone's back is always to the camera
Storm Nordwind: Sharon, I'm normally on kneeling on a brown cushion, rather than sitting on a blue one, and that may change the appearance a little
SophiaSharon Larnia: ah
Wol Euler: :)
Archmage Atlantis: fine, emperor's clothes
druth Vlodovic: ?? an interesting idea
Archmage Atlantis: Ah
Archmage Atlantis: SSL
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes?
Archmage Atlantis: I could not "seee" you
SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
druth Vlodovic: he wants you to wear a special set of clothes made for the emperor, it's said they are magic :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: that happens to me a lot, camming around enables avatars to pop into view
Gem Weiz: ooo love that, bruce
Wol Euler: nice, bruce
Gem Weiz: much more artistic :)
Archmage Atlantis: Bruce......you are like image happy
iwandertoo Resident: ty
SophiaSharon Larnia: thank you for hte picture :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: its great
Riddle Sideways: ty bruce
Bruce Mowbray: yw -- I love the geometry of the circle.

Archmage Atlantis: I ran over, bumped heads with SSL, learned she was there
SophiaSharon Larnia: hey :) we dont need to bump heads
Archmage Atlantis: k
SophiaSharon Larnia: thank you Gem for the picture
iwandertoo Resident: ty
Gem Weiz: that's so cool. like a mandala
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
Riddle Sideways: hmmmm, looks like the scene in Inception where the world turns up at the end of the street
SophiaSharon Larnia: oh i loved that part
Archmage Atlantis: Not like a mandala....it is a mandala
Bruce Mowbray: Oh yeah -- I loved that scene!
Gem Weiz: :)
Archmage Atlantis: Geez
Bruce Mowbray: ha ha ha!
Archmage Atlantis: Don't you guys ever realize that symbolism is just a picture of reality
Alfred Kelberry: hi :)
Riddle Sideways: yes, but like to be reminded
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, and symbols change over time
Alfred Kelberry: nice full circle
Alfred Kelberry: archy, i think it's perception of reality
Riddle Sideways: thought it was doors of perception
--BELL--
Archmage Atlantis: 100,000 years in the future.....hope someone will find our drawings on the cave walls, and see
Alfred Kelberry: *hums: riders on the storm...*
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Eliza.
SophiaSharon Larnia: wow great picture!

Riddle Sideways: hi Eliza (who is out)
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Eliza :)
Wol Euler: hello eliza
iwandertoo Resident: waves
SophiaSharon Larnia: or falling through the cracks of perception
Qt Core: hi Eliza
Alfred Kelberry: eliza :)
Riddle Sideways: hahaha can play duck, duck goose now
SophiaSharon Larnia: hahah
Zen Arado: Hi Eliza :)
Alfred Kelberry: *quacks*
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi everyone :)
Zen Arado: has fallen through the quacks
Riddle Sideways: pretty good, no crashes, grievers nor what-evers
Wol Euler: :)
Zen Arado: not sine earlier
Alfred Kelberry: it seems that 2 avs have fallen asleep there
Archmage Atlantis: hallelujah
Zen Arado: serious one earlier at Eliza's session
Riddle Sideways: ah
Zen Arado: suspect he crashed us
Alfred Kelberry: ahh! butterfly griefers!!!
Zen Arado: can someone do that?
Riddle Sideways: flytybutters
iwandertoo Resident: :)
Eliza Madrigal: :) @ butterfly griefers
Archmage Atlantis: Butterflies cannot be griefers
SophiaSharon Larnia: hehe
Archmage Atlantis: only the misunderstood
Alfred Kelberry: ok, stormy killed the scripts
SophiaSharon Larnia: claps
Storm Nordwind shakes his head at paranoid Alfred
Riddle Sideways: oh bruce that is getting better and better

SophiaSharon Larnia: isnt it :))
Bruce Mowbray: This is beginning to remind me of the Morton Salt box girl...

Wol Euler grins at the recursive photos
Eliza Madrigal: wow, great
Archmage Atlantis: Like Sal d' Mer
druth Vlodovic: here eliza, you'd better take my seat or I'll be accused of breaking the circle :)
Gem Weiz: I went to a talk recently by patrick lichty who does a whole lot of art in sl that, well to ME, looks like griefer stuff
druth Vlodovic: bye all
Gem Weiz: bye druth
Wol Euler: bye druth, take care
Eliza Madrigal: hehe Druth :)) Bye for now..
Bruce Mowbray: please say more, Gem
Alfred Kelberry: nice, bruce :)
Zen Arado: bye Druth :)
Gem Weiz: actually he freely admits that he uses griefer tools for artistic purposes
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Druth :)
Bruce Mowbray: bye druth.
Gem Weiz: he showed one picture of flying Mao heads that I swear I've seen griefers use :)
Archmage Atlantis: griefer = artist
Wol Euler: interesting.
Gem Weiz: he said the difference is that he has ideology behind the mess he makes...
Wol Euler: I suppose if the sim doesn't crash, and if nobody complains ...
Archmage Atlantis: Good in some ways
Gem Weiz: but I bet some griefers would say that, if they weren't just kids
Gem Weiz: yes, he also says that he is invited to artfully grief places
Alfred Kelberry: neat
Alfred Kelberry: we should invite the guy
Riddle Sideways: strange justifications
Eliza Madrigal: that's so interesting Gem... thanks and Nice to meet you
Eliza Madrigal: sorry to pop away so fast
Eliza Madrigal: Bye for now everyone
Gem Weiz: nice to meet you too
Gem Weiz: tc
Wol Euler: like Banksy vandalizing -- no sorry, placing art on the walls of buildings
Wol Euler: bye eliza
Storm Nordwind waves
Archmage Atlantis: Awk, kids !!!!!....... if we aren't still kids......wait a reference
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Eliza :)
Bruce Mowbray: Bye, eliza!
Zen Arado: the art of grieging
Riddle Sideways: bye
Zen Arado: griefing
Gem Weiz: Wol, not unlike banksy. although no one invites him, I think...
Gem Weiz: or not until recently
Alfred Kelberry: woly, yes! banksy is awesome!
Wol Euler: why is he not a vandal?
Wol Euler: because his grafitti is pretty?
Archmage Atlantis: Suffer the the children not to come unto me, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven
Alfred Kelberry: he adds value
Wol Euler: okay, and the difference between his grafitti and say yours is ... ?
Alfred Kelberry: and they are pretty, indeed :)
Archmage Atlantis: Beleif, Wol
Riddle Sideways: many too many bruce
Zen Arado: an infinite regression starting
SophiaSharon Larnia: giggles
Alfred Kelberry: artistic expression morale is a thin line, though, i agree
Riddle Sideways: it's PaB circles all the way down/up/over/wherever
Archmage Atlantis: Turtles all the way down
SophiaSharon Larnia: fun Bruce :)
Wol Euler: nice
Wol Euler: oh, I have to leave very soon, a friend is giving a live concert
Alfred Kelberry: take the muhammad cartoons
Wol Euler: goodngiht all, take care, be recursively happy
Gem Weiz: I guess if the main purpose is to deface, then it is vandalism. And if the main purpose is to make art it's art? Or politics, politics?
Alfred Kelberry: it can kill you
SophiaSharon Larnia: nice :) have fun Wol
Zen Arado: nite Wol
Archmage Atlantis: Which is live?
Riddle Sideways: goo niter
Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Wol! Enjoy the concert!
Alfred Kelberry: auf, woly
Archmage Atlantis: the friend?
Wol Euler: she's playing live in SL, yes
Archmage Atlantis: the concert?
Wol Euler: it's quite amusing, she sits at home with guitar and microphone, plays and sings for us
Wol Euler: once in a while her cat wanders in and meows
Archmage Atlantis: Ah, SL is alive
Zen Arado: sounds good
SophiaSharon Larnia: ha :)
Alfred Kelberry: neat
Wol Euler: bye for now
SophiaSharon Larnia: waves
Riddle Sideways: but not green screen live
Alfred Kelberry: lm? :)
Archmage Atlantis: Likes the cat aspect
Qt Core: bye wol
Archmage Atlantis: Must go
Archmage Atlantis: Namaste
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Arch
Riddle Sideways: must go too
Archmage Atlantis: Blessings
Zen Arado: didn't invite us :(
Archmage Atlantis: Shalom
SophiaSharon Larnia: and Riddle
Storm Nordwind waves
Bruce Mowbray: bye, Arch.
Archmage Atlantis: Allah Akb ar
Alfred Kelberry: *pats zen's back*
Riddle Sideways: thanks all
Qt Core: i need to go too, bye all
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Qt
Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Riddle.
Zen Arado: :)
Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Qt.
SophiaSharon Larnia: thanks for the fun bye for now
Zen Arado: bye Riddle, Qt, Arch
Zen Arado: bye Sharon
Bruce Mowbray: Bye, ssl.
Zen Arado: bye Zen
--BELL--
iwandertoo Resident: waves
Zen Arado: bye all
Alfred Kelberry: bye folks
Gem Weiz: bye :)
Gem Weiz: thanks
Alfred Kelberry: stormy, be good :)
Storm Nordwind: If I can't be good, I'll be careful ;)
Storm Nordwind: Bye for now all!
Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Storm.
iwandertoo Resident: waves
Bruce Mowbray: Bye, whoever's still leaving.
Gem Weiz: tc. :)
iwandertoo Resident: see you later...