The Guardian for this meeting was Lucinda Lavender. The comments are by Lucinda Lavender.

Arch, Monarchy, Riddle,Bruce,Xirana, druth,Yaku,Fefonz, Bertram,Alfred, Agatha,Satia, and a few others here only briefly.

Lucinda Lavender: nice to see you all who are leaving...
Pema Pera: sorry to leave so quickly, Lucinda!
Bleu Oleander: bye all
Lucinda Lavender: no problem:)
Monarchy Republic: tc peeps ..and ty:)
Darren Islar: leaving too, see you all :)
Xirana Oximoxi: bye Darren
Lucinda Lavender: bye Darren:)
Lucinda Lavender: nice to see so many here at the Time Session!
Archmage Atlantis: Hello Monarchy......new friend....not seen before\
Archmage Atlantis: It is the regular session now
Lucinda Lavender: yes...
Riddle Sideways: hey, who you calling regular
Lucinda Lavender: oh oooops:)
Riddle Sideways: and yes, hi monarch (not met you before either)
Archmage Atlantis: Bowl movements, if not regular....well......
Lucinda Lavender: Luci is looking for the notecard for new attendees...having trouble finding it:)
Riddle Sideways: in the box over here
Bruce Mowbray: Click on the box behind Xir. . .
Bruce Mowbray: for a notecard.
Lucinda Lavender: ah...can I drag it to someone who may not notice?
Riddle Sideways: take, then drop
druth Vlodovic: let's have a copy :)
druth Vlodovic: are you new today luci?
Xirana Oximoxi: lol
Monarchy Republic: hi Archmage :)
Xirana Oximoxi: it happens very oft to me..that I can't find things in inventory or in sl:)
Lucinda Lavender: yes in a sense...a new Phoenix version of myself and I have trouble navigating a little:)
Monarchy Republic: we both have Arches ..so we can maybe bridge a few canyons ;)
Riddle Sideways: beginners mind
Riddle Sideways: every morning
druth Vlodovic: you need to make a lot of folders, so instead of not being able to find things you won't be able to find the drawers you put them in
Lucinda Lavender: yes...
Monarchy Republic: tks Archmage & ,Bruce :)
Xirana Oximoxi: ok! I take your advice druth:)
druth Vlodovic: a version of no-view, beginners mind
Xirana Oximoxi: yes! clean of prejudices
Fefonz Quan: (bu all, exit silently)
Fefonz Quan: by*
Xirana Oximoxi: bye Fef:)
druth Vlodovic: bye fef!
Riddle Sideways: bye fef
Lucinda Lavender: bye Fefonz
Archmage Atlantis: Say hey to your babe, fef
Bruce Mowbray agrees with druth about "Beginner's Mind," but to get really concerned about Beginner's Mind is to lose it (possibly to be 'found' later - when not so worried about it)
Lucinda Lavender: trying to remember where...
Lucinda Lavender: ah...and remembers a photo of self from about agge three
katzikin Resident: um hi
Lucinda Lavender: Welcom Katzikin:)
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, kat!
Monarchy Republic: hi katzikin :)
katzikin Resident: hi
Archmage Atlantis: Greetings katzikin
druth Vlodovic: so if I achieve no-view does it mean I'll be nervous and uncertain all the time?
--BELL--
Bruce Mowbray suspects that "no-view" is not so much an "achievement" as a "dropping of all views" - including one's view of no-view.
Riddle Sideways: probably not Druth, (not have to be stuck in it), but ppl will not ask your opinion much
Archmage Atlantis: No, because being nervous and uncertain are not element of no-view
Riddle Sideways: hehehehehe 3 responds
Archmage Atlantis: Only child, druth?
druth Vlodovic: youngest :)
Riddle Sideways: hi bert
Bertram Jacobus: hi folks n friends :-)
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Bert! Hi, Dali!
Archmage Atlantis: That explains
Lucinda Lavender: HI Bert:)...
Riddle Sideways: opps, meant to say "Hey Bert" in an Ernie voice
druth Vlodovic: it does, a bit
druth Vlodovic: hi bert
Bertram Jacobus: loloke :-)
Bertram Jacobus: ty all ! :-) ...
Archmage Atlantis: yes, a small bit
Xirana Oximoxi: I must go.. take care all and have a nice time!
Lucinda Lavender: curious about the uncertainness...can you say more druth?
Archmage Atlantis: Mssr. Bert.....how goes it?
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Disha!
druth Vlodovic: you grow up with everyone around better than you and with greater understanding of what's going on
Lucinda Lavender: welcome Disha:)
druth Vlodovic: it takes a long time before you realize that the firstborn had nobody to be behind and so learned early to fake it
Archmage Atlantis: We don't all fake.....well maybe single born.....2 parents vs 1 child
Lucinda Lavender: ah...and perhaps the firstborn has that urge to perform...
Bertram Jacobus: many topics - people coming and going, uncertainness and "how are you" - ty, fine arch (!) :-) - hope, you too (?) :-)
Lucinda Lavender: I am a second born with 12 years between...feel for both sides
Alfred Kelberry: wuff!
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Alfred!
Alfred Kelberry: hi :)
druth Vlodovic: a view gives you a framework to understand the world, it gives certainties and interpretations, without it you wander lost through a maze of things you don't easily understand
Alfred Kelberry: :P
Archmage Atlantis: Boxy, your dog wishes to be here.......or was that "wuff" misapplied
Lucinda Lavender: yes but when eventually the views prove changeable and perhaps confining...dropping some is a opening to a new place
Alfred Kelberry: it just was, archy :)
Lucinda Lavender: but not sure if it is a place...that would be another view I guess..
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, aggers!
Alfred Kelberry: aga girl :)
Lucinda Lavender: Hi aggers:)
Agatha Macbeth: Greetings :)
druth Vlodovic: learning is changing, changing is facing uncetainty, uncertainty can be a source of fearand nervousness (uncertainty :) )
Riddle Sideways: Hi Aggrs
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Lucinda Lavender: some view can bring so much pain...that learning they are changeable is empowering for me
druth Vlodovic: "learning" is a multi-faceted word :)
Bertram Jacobus: i agree : the perspective is so important !
Archmage Atlantis: Good answer, Luci
Lucinda Lavender: they seem like moldable plastic to me sort of now:)
Alfred Kelberry: what is your view on the royal wedding? :)
druth Vlodovic: "Fear is the mind killer, fear is the little death" because a life of learning is one of change, to allow fear to stop you changing is to stop living
Bertram Jacobus: my view is that i find it nearly unbelievable that two billion (!) people shall have seen it - is that really possible !? ...
Alfred Kelberry: druth, well said
Lucinda Lavender: yes druth
Archmage Atlantis: Awk
Lucinda Lavender: I missed it so far:)
Archmage Atlantis: royal wedding]
druth Vlodovic: guys, stop molesting the dog! We'll have the SPCCA's on us
Archmage Atlantis: when druth said something profound
Alfred Kelberry: berty, collective insanity
Bertram Jacobus: don´t want to cross the other topic(s) ...
Archmage Atlantis: Trying not to Borg
Alfred Kelberry: borg is a nice word
Lucinda Lavender: when fear is in the body it feels moldable now...
--BELL--
Yakuzza Lethecus: well it´s a collective memory for 2 billion ppl, that has some positive effect, 2 billion ppl can talk about that for the rest of their lives for using smalltalk and not only in britain
Lucinda Lavender: because trying on not fear becomes more accessable
Archmage Atlantis: For me, to Borg is to escape oneself in the collective view.
Riddle Sideways: bye all and thanks
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Rid
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye riddle
Bertram Jacobus: bye riddle ty2
Lucinda Lavender: bye Riddle:)
Bertram Jacobus: some intersting thoughts here today ...
Monarchy Republic: but as well their total consumption of all life was totally sincere ..because they were deviod of emotion :s
druth Vlodovic: "fear in the body" "fear is my heart beating fast, fear is my shaking hands, fear is the shiver across my body, fear is not my being, fear is not the molder of my thoughts"
Monarchy Republic: For Each A Road ,,For Every Man A Religion :)
Bertram Jacobus: is NOT the molder of your thoughts ?
Lucinda Lavender: ah...and the adrenalyn.....which I cannot spell...
Lucinda Lavender: perhaps thought seem an antidote to fear?
Archmage Atlantis: The flowers outside are nice
druth Vlodovic: at it's best religion is the indoctrination of the tactics we have devised to face fear and free ourselves from it's ability to shut us down and narrow our view
Archmage Atlantis: I may be able to grow Azaleas her
druth Vlodovic: fear prevents thought, makes us automatons, will is not always powerful enough to overcome it so we rely on doctrines
Archmage Atlantis: The Vireya (tropical rhododendron) are taken down by fungus and insects here.
druth Vlodovic: to create a doctrine, to create a view molded to our own necessities and chosen moralities can free us to face the world
Alfred Kelberry: druth, how do we overcome it?
druth Vlodovic: to believe the doctine as though it is TRUTH is the danger
Archmage Atlantis: Define
Archmage Atlantis: truth
druth Vlodovic: truth is doctrine made unquestionable, in this definition anyway
Alfred Kelberry: :)
druth Vlodovic: any speaker of english knows that words means what we want them to :)
Lucinda Lavender: what if truth is about Being energy in the universe...not all the views...
druth Vlodovic: Being energy in the universe is a view
Alfred Kelberry: so is truth :)
druth Vlodovic: truth = view = doctrine if you don't mind a little fuzzy thinking
Lucinda Lavender: maybe I just mean all the atoms whizzing around...? what about them?
druth Vlodovic: er, Truth, for full impact it ought to be capitalized
druth Vlodovic: that's whaty we call "fact"
druth Vlodovic: of course, for me it is faith that others are telling me the truth about what they have found
druth Vlodovic: (the bad thing is that when I stop raving I start dribbling, which isn't nearly as much fun)
Lucinda Lavender: erasing:)
Lucinda Lavender: was going to ask something about inner and outer
druth Vlodovic: :) she is so nice to me
druth Vlodovic: inner and outer truths?
Lucinda Lavender: yes
Monarchy Republic: :)
Lucinda Lavender: but then thought I don't know much about what I want to say there
druth Vlodovic: if we are the universe then there can be no difference
Lucinda Lavender: yes the universe in a skin bag
druth Vlodovic: ??
Monarchy Republic: every polaroid a negative :)
--BELL--
Lucinda Lavender: well we have the body which skin is defining the deges of..
Lucinda Lavender: edges
Lucinda Lavender: Hi satius:)
Satia Ruby: hi all
Monarchy Republic: hi Satia :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hello
druth Vlodovic: hi satia
Lucinda Lavender: satia:)
druth Vlodovic: well, you could as easily say we are part of the universe integrated, I don't personally believe that I am the universe, just that it's design/substancebeing is integral to my being
Lucinda Lavender: we have been talking about truth, uncertainess, satia
druth Vlodovic: my personal understanding of the universe is a much smaller part
Lucinda Lavender: I find truth in dreams...tho they are illusory as well
Lucinda Lavender: I might view them from a place ofinner truth
Lucinda Lavender: of inner
druth Vlodovic: consciousness is a small part of our minds, dreams are maybe the rest of it talking to us
Lucinda Lavender: yes...I do feel that dreams come also from without
Bertram Jacobus: a friend of mine recently said to me : we can´t doubt doubts ( i understood : that they exist) ... hm
druth Vlodovic: (sorry,interrupting again, "inner..."?
Lucinda Lavender: I spelled inner wrong and corrected it
druth Vlodovic: oh, I was hoping for more of the thought :)
Lucinda Lavender: having had inexpicable big dreams caused me to see that we know more than just our own personal truth...
Alfred Kelberry: onigokko
Monarchy Republic: :))))
Lucinda Lavender: nice:)
Lucinda Lavender: I do not seem to have this anymore in Phoenix:(
Yakuzza Lethecus: stop
Yakuzza Lethecus: onigokko
Alfred Kelberry: haha
Agatha Macbeth: Didn't know you lived in Phoenix :p
druth Vlodovic: onigokko
Lucinda Lavender: well this is a new development
Monarchy Republic: :)
druth Vlodovic: we have more connections to the universe than we know consciously
Monarchy Republic: onigokko is the way :)
Bertram Jacobus: stop
Bertram Jacobus: lol
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Lucinda Lavender: agree druth
druth Vlodovic: we also have much more potential than we can know consciously, it's sort of a limited tool :)
Agatha Macbeth: Yaku doesn't hear
Lucinda Lavender: yes
Alfred Kelberry: yaku is still connected to the universe :)
Bertram Jacobus: yes. interesting ... :-)
Lucinda Lavender: so interesting
Alfred Kelberry: oh...
druth Vlodovic: lucky yak
Agatha Macbeth: Oh dear
Monarchy Republic: brb peeps ..hugs ..your wonderful :)
Lucinda Lavender: onigokko
druth Vlodovic: oops, he was kicked out of the universe
Lucinda Lavender: stop
Agatha Macbeth: Yaku seems to have onigokko'd himself into oblivion
Lucinda Lavender: well I have it but don't do it
Agatha Macbeth: That's what they all say
Lucinda Lavender: onigokko
Lucinda Lavender: sorrystop:)
Lucinda Lavender: sorry stop
Agatha Macbeth: :DDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Lucinda Lavender: sorry stop
druth Vlodovic: onigokko doesn't know politeness, only fun
Lucinda Lavender: onigokko
Lucinda Lavender: ok:)
Lucinda Lavender: stop
Lucinda Lavender: phew!
Lucinda Lavender: thank you druth:)
Agatha Macbeth: Somewhat energetic
Bertram Jacobus: boxy disappeared ! :-(
Lucinda Lavender: hmm
Agatha Macbeth: Gone for more bones no doubt
Lucinda Lavender: I have my tail back
druth Vlodovic: hehe, we must be willing to let go of everything, even the uncertainty of how others will treat us, to be joyous
Lucinda Lavender: yes!
--BELL--
Lucinda Lavender: finding it with in...
Agatha Macbeth: Thanks for the excercise folks, take care
Bertram Jacobus: [bye aggers] ...
Lucinda Lavender: see you aggers:)
druth Vlodovic: bye aga
Lucinda Lavender: time for me to move a bit...
Bertram Jacobus: okay - bye lucinda !
Lucinda Lavender: have a great day everyone:)
Bertram Jacobus: ty for the talk ! :-)
Lucinda Lavender: and thank you!
druth Vlodovic: have fun luci
Lucinda Lavender: another day of vacation with different kinds of work:)
Bertram Jacobus: lol huhu sun :-)
Sunshine Vayandar: huhuuuu
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
Bertram Jacobus: :-))
Sunshine Vayandar: hi again - hi Satia ;)
Lucinda Lavender: HI sun:)
druth Vlodovic: all different types of work is a vacation for other things you could be doing :)
Sunshine Vayandar: and Luci, Arch, Druth
Lucinda Lavender: off I go...
druth Vlodovic: hi sun
Sunshine Vayandar: byebyee Luci
Sunshine Vayandar: I came to check on the prim workshop
druth Vlodovic: how is it going?
Sunshine Vayandar: going well how are you all
Bertram Jacobus: all fine here only a bit headache, but we have pills, a blessing ! ;-)
Sunshine Vayandar: hi Dali
Dali Waverider: Hi un
Dali Waverider: Sun
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)) I hope the headache is gone soon
Sunshine Vayandar: Dali have u been here before?
druth Vlodovic: ah, it is truly PaB, attended only by no-self
Dali Waverider: Maybe not for play as being. Many time to Kira for various seminars
Sunshine Vayandar: ah ok Dali ;)
druth Vlodovic: is there one today?
Sunshine Vayandar: ok then I go over to the prim workshop place
Sunshine Vayandar: take care all - enjoy the weekend
Dali Waverider: Byes.
druth Vlodovic: bye dali
druth Vlodovic: I'm off, have fun all :)