2012.02.24 19:00 - Being a Child

The Guardian for this meeting was stevenaia Michinaga. The comments are by stevenaia Michinaga.

I arrived late and claimed Sylectra's  Session, Raffila and I chatted a bit.

Raffila Millgrove and Lucinda Lavender  joined me

stevenaia Michinaga: hello
Raffila Millgrove: hello Stevenaia
stevenaia Michinaga: that is an intereszting avatar
Raffila Millgrove: it's the free one.. from the Spirit sim.. I was taking a friend to see it.
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
Raffila Millgrove: takes awhile to get in and out of... so i didn't take it off yet.
stevenaia Michinaga: this place can release creativity
Raffila Millgrove: the artist was there .. today. so i could tnank her in person.
Raffila Millgrove: she made it in blender. was saying that blender tutorials. were a good way to learn the tool.
stevenaia Michinaga: I've heasr if it, so many ways to work in 3D
stevenaia Michinaga: *Heard
Raffila Millgrove: yes. several different programs. but i hear many use blender.
Raffila Millgrove: i have been reading the book that pema wrote. about PAB.. did you read it yet?
stevenaia Michinaga: I don;t think Sylectra will be here tonight to take the log
Raffila Millgrove: it's on the website. you can read it.
stevenaia Michinaga: about time?
Raffila Millgrove: yes
stevenaia Michinaga: yes
stevenaia Michinaga: someday we may yet know what it is... or perhaps never :)
stevenaia Michinaga: instead we know much about it
stevenaia Michinaga: Much like aspects of Dao
Raffila Millgrove: i find reading a book.. on the web.. hard. I tend to skip/scan when reading at the screen..
stevenaia Michinaga: some computers allow you to have it read the text to you
Raffila Millgrove: i like holding it. lol i am at a desktop with widescreen..
stevenaia Michinaga: I find that helpful sometimes
Raffila Millgrove: oh.. yes.. but i don't hear well. i don't learn by hearing.
stevenaia Michinaga: I listen to things better than reading sometiems
Raffila Millgrove: average rate of comprehension of aural.. is around 60 percent. and i think i might be lower thanb that.
Raffila Millgrove: one of my daughters, the one who is legally blind.. she's been trained to learn by hearing. she's awfully good at it.
Raffila Millgrove: anyho... i am glad the book is there. so i can read it.
stevenaia Michinaga: I go back to it now and then as it is a subject that is of interest to me, re-reading it again and again allows different parts to come into focus
Raffila Millgrove: when i met pema.. he said.. do you have any questions? and i didn't because.. i don't yet have a good basis of understanding so i could ask intelligent question.
Raffila Millgrove: some people say. there are no stupid question. I think.. wow there's plenty of stupid questions.
stevenaia Michinaga: I remember the first time I came to these, sometimes it take a while to follow
Raffila Millgrove: when did you first come steve?
stevenaia Michinaga: that was alomst 4 years ago
stevenaia Michinaga: perhaps about a month after they began
Raffila Millgrove: ah. so you have much time.. to think, absorb, lern.
Raffila Millgrove: learn

--BELL--

stevenaia Michinaga: may people bring many things here that was unaware of
stevenaia Michinaga: a nice place just to listen sometimes, and a place where that is perfectly accetable
stevenaia Michinaga: acceptable
Raffila Millgrove nods.
Raffila Millgrove: i goto a lot of discussions where.. it's ok not to contribute. which is restful since i don't always have anything pertinent or on point to add.
stevenaia Michinaga: nods
Raffila Millgrove: i don't mind looking stupid. but i don't want to Feel stupid. so if people talk on things i am not.. clear about. i prefer to keep quiet til i get a better picture.
stevenaia Michinaga: nods, but feeling stupid it one of the oppurtunities to learn (and to log on to Wikipedai)
Raffila Millgrove: yes. it's hard to phrase what i meant. I can accept that I am ignorant on something, but then.. i like to think.. i am making some progress to learn more... so accepting a temp place of ignorance is ok.. i just don't want to sit in it.. perpetually.
Raffila Millgrove: by asking a lot of stupid question when there is info avail.. if you take time to listen or study it.. that's kind of stamping yourself.. as stupid. to me there's a difference. hard to explain.
stevenaia Michinaga: nods. "looking stupid" however is jsut how you think others look at you, I'm not sure it is a meaning persepctive, as it really means you are open to learning
stevenaia Michinaga: i.e., a good thing
Raffila Millgrove: yeah well i don't mind that. how others perceive me. i don't care too much.
Raffila Millgrove: that's what i meant about looking stupid.. doesn't bother me.
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: Hi Luci
Raffila Millgrove: if you are a child. you are not... too knowledgeable on many things. you are aware of this. and others see you as a child. fine by me. i still am a child.
stevenaia Michinaga: if we were smart, we would all stay children
Raffila Millgrove: i don't want to quit being a child.. because part of it--is the wonder of endless discovery.. that every day will bring a host of new learning and seeing.
Raffila Millgrove: also you can be silly. Silly is wonderful.
stevenaia Michinaga: people get stiff and infleable, and closed when they ive that up
stevenaia Michinaga: *inflexib;e
Raffila Millgrove: yes. it's what i find so hard to accept among my friends. the inflexiblity and stiffness.. You cannot help getting old and your joints all stiff.. but you don't have to let the mind go stiff too.
Lucinda Lavender: :))
stevenaia Michinaga: people make strange choices for themselves sometimes... needing to not let go of thengs, for instance, that actually hold them back
Raffila Millgrove: so true. but.. you cannot tell them.. they.. don't hear. when they are clinging to something.. it's like clutching the raft in the ocean.. they cannot let go.. to swim to land.

--BELL--

stevenaia Michinaga: how are you Luci?
Raffila Millgrove: one day i said to my sister-in-law.... you know you keep dragging up your dead mother.. to use her to make yourself unhappy.. and here's the deal: she's DEAD. Why don't you let her rest in peace and be happy? She not talking to you. making you feel bad. why do you bring her back to say things to you that will hurt you? She finally agree to quit quoting her dead mother and having us listen to the mom say hurtful things.
Lucinda Lavender: I am good...
Raffila Millgrove: oh Luci. it is good to see you.
Lucinda Lavender: thanks:)
Lucinda Lavender: can not really stay...just thought I could:) things change I guess
Raffila Millgrove: well it is nice you could come awhile to shine on us.
Lucinda Lavender: :)
Raffila Millgrove thinks Luci has a cheery spirit .. that is sunny often.
Lucinda Lavender: really pretty true:)
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
Lucinda Lavender: looks forward to new things surfacing and such
stevenaia Michinaga: you turned into a pretty green cloud Raffila
Raffila Millgrove: oh?
Raffila Millgrove: mm
Lucinda Lavender: perhaps you are wearing an invisible thingy?
Lucinda Lavender: I tried that once
Lucinda Lavender: it did not hide my hair or skirt
Raffila Millgrove: mm. this viwer. i dont' know how to rebake myself. in it.
Lucinda Lavender: but ony those were showing
Raffila Millgrove: this is a freebie mesh avatar.
Raffila Millgrove: for the sim Spirit.
stevenaia Michinaga: I once did that in RL, changed my looks so much no one of my friends knew who I was until I spoke
Raffila Millgrove: did i give you guys the LM to it? it's so amazing?
Lucinda Lavender: ah...
stevenaia Michinaga: it was very stange
Lucinda Lavender: wow Stevenaia
Lucinda Lavender: can imagine
stevenaia Michinaga: I would stand right next to a friend and they didn;t know
Lucinda Lavender: kind of powerful kind of change
stevenaia Michinaga: like cahging avatars here
Raffila Millgrove: wow. like nearly being invisible. cloaking.
Raffila Millgrove: well do take time if you can to go see this sim.. as it's very magical.
Lucinda Lavender: does one search "Spirit"?
Raffila Millgrove: no i just sent you the LM.
Raffila Millgrove: you accepted.
Raffila Millgrove: lol
Lucinda Lavender: oh, just noticing:)
stevenaia Michinaga: was thinking of going there after this meeting
stevenaia Michinaga: want to come explore?
Raffila Millgrove: you guys dont' know me. i only would recomend.. at this rate of urging.. something very special.
Raffila Millgrove: if you know Bryn OH? it's like that. unique and special.
Lucinda Lavender: would be able to visit briefly...
Raffila Millgrove: be sure to fly. i went several times.. already. so much so absorb.
stevenaia Michinaga: shall we go now?
stevenaia Michinaga: I;ve never been there
Lucinda Lavender: sure
stevenaia Michinaga: bye Raf
Raffila Millgrove: oh yes. I have to log out now.. but you two.. wonderful if you could go. see you laters.
Lucinda Lavender: thanks raf:)
Raffila Millgrove: bye girls. have fun.
Lucinda Lavender: happy day to you...