2014.04.11 13:00 - My Name is for My Friends

The Guardian for this meeting was No Self. The comments are by No Self.

Yakuzza Lethecus: hey the two of you, sry a bit late
Bruce Mowbray: np!
Yakuzza Lethecus: little political debate
Wol Euler: hello yaku, bruce
Bruce Mowbray: Heya!
Yakuzza Lethecus: didn´t want to leave after having said something
Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Zen!
Wol Euler: hello zen
Zen Arado: Hi all
Bruce Mowbray: Were you "politically" chatting about the Heartbleed thing, Yaku?
Yakuzza Lethecus: actually that was a subject too
Bruce Mowbray nods.
Yakuzza Lethecus: but in the end it was about the ukraine
Bruce Mowbray: oh yes.
Zen Arado: does it affect Macs?
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, it does.
Wol Euler: yes, because it#s an internet server problem
Yakuzza Lethecus: i was wondering a bit about how media is reporting, the russians took away discounts but here it´s mainly reported as they raised prices against the ukraine
Wol Euler: it affects evrything that uses the internet, potentially
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, a server-side problem, not a client-side problem.
Bruce Mowbray: So it doesn't matter what sort of computer you're using.
Yakuzza Lethecus: i guess we all just should change passwords
Wol Euler: not yet :)
Bruce Mowbray: I changed 57 passwords yesterday, actually.
Yakuzza Lethecus: i have to admit i have some that aren´t changed for a decade
Wol Euler: no point in changing until the bug is fixed :)
Wol Euler: on a site-by-site basis
Bruce Mowbray: Well, but some servers have fixed the bug.
Zen Arado: but I use Lastpass
Bruce Mowbray nods.

Yakuzza Lethecus: hmm didn´t they fix before reporting the leak ?
Wol Euler: indeed, and those you can/should change
Wol Euler: people are reporting that many haven't yet
Zen Arado: what do I do about Lastpass?
Wol Euler: I don'T know that one, zen
Zen Arado: it just has a master password and stores all my passwords
Bruce Mowbray: I use "Dashline", Zen -- a similar application to yours, and the CEO of Dashline told us to change PW's immediately -- and again 10 days from now.
Zen Arado: hmm
Wol Euler: http://filippo.io/Heartbleed/
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, mine also has a master password,
Wol Euler: test site
Bruce Mowbray: but this is not about client passwords, it is about the vulnerability of servers.
Wol Euler: the problem probably won't be with Lastpass itself, but with all the servers whose passwords it holds
Bruce Mowbray: like Netflix or GOOGLE, or YAHOO, all of which have been fixed, as I understand it.
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, agrees with Wol.
Bruce Mowbray: Drop approaching fast!
Wol Euler smiles.

--BELL--

Bruce Mowbray: This "bug" has been out there for two years.
Bruce Mowbray: So, what's been happening all that time?
Wol Euler: presumably undiscovered
Bruce Mowbray: hmmmmm.
Wol Euler: if it had been found and used, we'd have been hearing about mysterious epidemics of password hacking
Wol Euler: and since that dog didn'T bark ...
Zen Arado: I had anti virus on my Mac but it wouldn't work when I upgraded to Mavericks
Yakuzza Lethecus: well it´s going to be the biggest anti open source argument for the next decade
Bruce Mowbray: No, Zen. Anti-virus won't work.
Bruce Mowbray: It is a server-side bug.
Wol Euler: it shouldn't be, yaku. but you may be right :)
Zen Arado: yeh I know this is another issue
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Zen Arado: it worked before

Wol Euler: like all the people who think global warming isn't true because it was cold yesterday
Zen Arado: people say you don't need anti virus on Macs
Zen Arado: but hmm..
Bruce Mowbray: I have installed a CHROME app that detects whether the Heartbleed thingie is on any site I visit.
Wol Euler: I would disagree, but then I'm naturally cautious
Zen Arado: I can't uninstall the old anti virus version
Zen Arado: bah Macs
Wol Euler: did you have a installer cd/dvd for it, zen?`
Zen Arado: in Windows you just go to control panel/uninstall and it's gone
Yakuzza Lethecus: i usually use just the build in/free antivirus software from microsoft and i haven´t had any serious issues with viruses (that i know of)
Bruce Mowbray: http://betanews.com/2014/04/09/googl...eartbleed-bug/
Bruce Mowbray: This is NOT a virus, folks.
Zen Arado: I don't even have a cd drive
Yakuzza Lethecus: not heartbleed!
Yakuzza Lethecus: zes
Yakuzza Lethecus: yes
Bruce Mowbray: yes.
Wol Euler: wow :) an Air laptop?
Zen Arado: nope an imac
Yakuzza Lethecus: but the argument that macs aren´t affected by virusses or linux
Wol Euler: ah
Yakuzza Lethecus: just because they are unpopular
Yakuzza Lethecus: well macs are
Yakuzza Lethecus: but not as common
Yakuzza Lethecus: i´d like to have one but don´t want to pay the premium :P
Bruce Mowbray: me too, Yaku!
Bruce Mowbray: ha ha!

Zen Arado: it keps telling me to close Firefox before it can uninstall
Zen Arado: but it is closed
Zen Arado: I find Mac great until something goes wrong
Wol Euler: try saving all your bookmarks to a file on disk, deleting firefox, then uninstall the virus sw
Zen Arado: then everything seems hiddne and mysterious
Wol Euler: you can always download a new firefox
Bruce Mowbray: My typist switched to CHROME, and he's glad he did.
Zen Arado: it's the same if I try Safari
Yakuzza Lethecus: virustotal is a good page to upload a suspected file, most virus alerts are actually false alams for me
Bruce Mowbray: would that be virustotal.com Yaku?
Zen Arado: why is the Library hiden on Macs?
Zen Arado: weird
Yakuzza Lethecus: exactly
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, I see it now!
Yakuzza Lethecus: it checks the files against almost all virusscanners
Wol Euler: same reason that system files are hidden by default on windows :)

Wol Euler: hello san!
Santoshima Resident: greetings :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey san
Bruce Mowbray: Heya, San!
Zen Arado: Hi San
Zen Arado: I lost an expansion file for a software synth I have
Bruce Mowbray loves it when San-ji stands to type!
Zen Arado: the guy from the firm says to place it under applications supportetc
Zen Arado: but I still can't find it
Bruce Mowbray: We've been discussing the Heartbleed bug, San.
Wol Euler: do you know the name?
Santoshima Resident: don't know it
Zen Arado: one O paid for too
Bruce Mowbray: OH MY!
Bruce Mowbray: I will feed you info, San.
Zen Arado: I just find Macs mysterious
Santoshima Resident: ok
Zen Arado: it's like they don't want you do interfere with anything

Wol Euler: some of us feel the same way about Windows :)
Zen Arado: but you can work with windows
Santoshima Resident: true
Bruce Mowbray: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/changing...-need-to-know/
Zen Arado: move folders about etc
Wol Euler: O.O
Wol Euler: you can move Mac folders. Of course you can-
Wol Euler: pick it up and push it
Zen Arado: maybe It's just I'm not used to it
Zen Arado: need a Mac for Dummies book
Zen Arado: :)
Wol Euler smiles.
Wol Euler: sure, why not?
Zen Arado: takes time
Wol Euler: people are put off by the name but there's nothing wrong with them
Bruce Mowbray: once again, our 'drop' approaches......
Wol Euler: I got my start in HTML with a Dummies book
Bruce Mowbray: me too, Wol, and also with JAVA, a DUMMIES book.

--BELL--

Bruce Mowbray: http://www.amazon.com/Beginning-Prog.../dp/0470371749
Zen Arado: oh I can do a security check in Lastpass: http://blog.lastpass.com/2014/04/las...sites-are.html


Bruce Mowbray: While I'm putting in plugs, I'd like to recommend HIGHLY the Robert Wright course from Coursear....
Bruce Mowbray: https://class.coursera.org/psychbudd...GettingStarted
Bruce Mowbray: I'm finishing up the 3rd week, and I am really learning a lot and enjoying the course immensely.
Zen Arado: yes
Zen Arado: interesting course
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, Zen-ji is also enrolled in this course.
Bruce Mowbray: Are you also enjoying it, Zen?
Zen Arado: it's a bit too Theravadan for me
Bruce Mowbray: heh heh...
Zen Arado: but the guy is a good teacher
Bruce Mowbray: but how about the two dogs, Frazier and ....hmmmmm,
Zen Arado: heheh
Bruce Mowbray: can't recall the other one's name at the moment....
Bruce Mowbray: the non-poodle....
Santoshima Resident: pooch?
Zen Arado: one of them is too attached to having walks
Zen Arado: :)
Bruce Mowbray: YES! That would be Frazier!
Bruce Mowbray: ha ha!
Wol Euler: Niles, perhaps?
Bruce Mowbray: nope, not Niles.
Zen Arado: mustn't have Buddha nature
Wol Euler smiles.

Bruce Mowbray: Well, you know, that's a BIG question in contemporary Buddhism, whether a dog has Buddha nature or not.
Zen Arado: mu
Santoshima Resident: woof
Bruce Mowbray: It actually got my typist kicked out of a zendo, a long time ago.
Zen Arado: :)
Bruce Mowbray nods.
Santoshima Resident: barking too much?
Santoshima Resident: or just enough
Wol Euler: hehehe
Zen Arado: it's a silly old Zen koan
Bruce Mowbray: No, insisting that his dog DID have Buddha nature.
Bruce Mowbray: but perhaps that the dog's master did NOT!
Bruce Mowbray loves that silly old koan.
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Zen Arado: the idea is that students drive themselves mad trying to figure it out
Bruce Mowbray ponders "enoughness" in barking.
Zen Arado: intellectually
Zen Arado: and there isn't any answer
Yakuzza Lethecus: well if you meet him, kill him ?
Bruce Mowbray: but that is true with EVERY koan, Zen-ji!
Zen Arado: some have a teaching component too though
Zen Arado: I think
Bruce Mowbray: oh yes.
Bruce Mowbray: and I agree, of course.
Bruce Mowbray: That's the whole idea, I think.
Wol Euler smiles.

Zen Arado: I better head off to PP
Bruce Mowbray notices, to his relief, that we've moved off of the Heartbleed bug thingie.
Santoshima Resident: ok, bye Zen
Bruce Mowbray: kk, be thee well, Zen!
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye zen
Zen Arado: doing 80's set
Zen Arado: byee
Santoshima Resident: fun!
Bruce Mowbray: Great!
Wol Euler: bye zen!
Wol Euler: I won'T be there tonight
Wol Euler: ah, too late
Bruce Mowbray: You have been working TOO HARD, Wol-ji!
Wol Euler: indeed
Bruce Mowbray nods.
Yakuzza Lethecus: how naming something gives it such a different touch
Santoshima Resident: aw
Yakuzza Lethecus: heartbleed
Bruce Mowbray: yes, names are powerful.
Wol Euler nods.
Bruce Mowbray ponders whether "BRUCE" might be 'powerful'
Bruce Mowbray shakes head, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Santoshima Resident: powerfully so ...
Bruce Mowbray dies from laughing....
Yakuzza Lethecus: well ur not powerful
Yakuzza Lethecus: ur almighty

Wol Euler remembers Lawrence of Arabia. "Tell me your name!" "My name is for my friends."
Bruce Mowbray: Oh yeah!
Bruce Mowbray ponders, "My name is for my friends."
Bruce Mowbray: and also ponders the poem by Thich Nat Hanh, "Tell me your true names"
Santoshima Resident: original face
Wol Euler: tell us about that one, bruce?
Bruce Mowbray: (another drop approaches......)
Bruce Mowbray: kk, just a sec, please.

Wol Euler: perhaps consider our favourite (own) name during the break?

--BELL--

Bruce Mowbray: http://www.quietspaces.com/poemHanh.html
Bruce Mowbray: "Call Me By My True Names"
Bruce Mowbray: My favorite name would be "Brian" -- or, maybe, "Bryon"
Bruce Mowbray: no, it would be Brian.
Wol Euler: when do you call yourself that?
Wol Euler: (if I may ask)
Bruce Mowbray: I don't, actually.
Bruce Mowbray: I call myself Bruce.
Bruce Mowbray: but, my favorite name would be Brian.
Bruce Mowbray: How about you?
Wol Euler: ah
Wol Euler: well, I have so many names, for my avatars
Bruce Mowbray: oh my!
Bruce Mowbray: Yikes!

Wol Euler: sitting here thinking about it, I'm not sure how I do think of myself when I'm walking about town
Wol Euler: I don't know that I do actually name myself, not internally
Bruce Mowbray ponders an isomorph between having various names and having various passwords.
Wol Euler admits to having more names than passwords
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Bruce Mowbray: and I have far more PW's than names!
Bruce Mowbray: Every one of the sites i visit has a different PW, actually.
Bruce Mowbray: and DASHLINE remembers them all!
Wol Euler smiles.
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Wol Euler: at one point I actually made up RL visiting cards for some of my virtual identities
Wol Euler: when going to a RL party
Bruce Mowbray: Wow!
Bruce Mowbray: Amazing!
Bruce Mowbray: and a GREAT idea, Wol!
Wol Euler smiles modestly.
Santoshima Resident: yes
Santoshima Resident: any on hand? virtual versions?
Bruce Mowbray: I tried a couple of alternates a few years ago, but i was very uncomfortable with them, so I've just stuck with Bruce.
Wol Euler: alas no :) though taht would be quite witty
Wol Euler: my favourite own name is probably Hrothgar
Bruce Mowbray ponders "Hrothgar"
Wol Euler: from Beowulf, Hrothgar Halfdane
Bruce Mowbray: oh yeah.

Bruce Mowbray wonders what "Bruce" might be derived from....
Santoshima Resident: derived from "Bruce"
Santoshima Resident: that's the beauty of it
Bruce Mowbray: ha ha!
Bruce Mowbray: TY, San-ji!
Bruce Mowbray: and "San" ???
Bruce Mowbray: from "San" of course!
Santoshima Resident: oops i was wrong

Santoshima Resident: Bruce Look up Bruce at Dictionary.com a Norman surname, but etymology from Brix (place in La Manche, Normandy) is now considered doubtful ["Dictionary of English Surnames"]. Originated in Britain with Robert de Bruis, a baron listed in the Domesday Book. His son, a friend of David I, king of Scotland, was granted by him in 1124 the lordship of Annandale, and David's son, Robert, founded the Scottish House of Bruce. As a given name for U.S. males, most popular for boys born c.1946-1954. "
Bruce Mowbray: oh yes,
Bruce Mowbray: that guy!

Santoshima Resident: san is short for Santoshima
Bruce Mowbray: With half his face painted blue!
Santoshima Resident: i lifted it
Santoshima Resident: a Hindu goddess
Santoshima Resident: new one
Bruce Mowbray: Santishoma is a pleasant name, indeed.
Santoshima Resident: santoshima
Santoshima Resident: made a name in bollywood films
Santoshima Resident: who knows where she came from
Santoshima Resident: santosha = contentment
Bruce Mowbray: an excellent name, to be sure.
Wol Euler: I like that name too, San
Bruce Mowbray: "Bruce" sounds like something one might do to an extremity when one falls on it.... BRUISE!
Bruce Mowbray: ouch!
Santoshima Resident: hmm
Bruce Mowbray: Fridays do this to me, sry.
Wol Euler: no worries

Santoshima Resident: how about the name "Yaku"?
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Santoshima Resident: bye bruce
Wol Euler: as long as it wears off
Santoshima Resident: oops
Santoshima Resident: sorry
Bruce Mowbray listens intently for more about YAKU.
Bruce Mowbray ponders, "Where oh where is Yaky tonight?"
Yakuzza Lethecus: hehe
Bruce Mowbray: Yaku tonight*
Bruce Mowbray: HERE he is!
Bruce Mowbray: Where did you get your name, Yaku?
Wol Euler listens.
Yakuzza Lethecus: gosh, gaming more then 10 years back yakuzza sounded like a fancy nickname
Bruce Mowbray: Is it from "JAKUZZI"?
Yakuzza Lethecus: yakuza was already used
Bruce Mowbray: hmmmm.
Yakuzza Lethecus: i took double z
Bruce Mowbray: kk.
Yakuzza Lethecus: and was too lazy to change names all the time
Wol Euler grins.
Santoshima Resident: :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: so it was a gaming nick i used long before sl

--BELL--

Bruce Mowbray: https://www.google.com/search?q=Jaku...w=1476&bih=796
Yakuzza Lethecus: i wonder if google keeps old search results private if they are older then 10 years, just tried to find me from that time but didn´t get a result
Bruce Mowbray: Hmmm. I put in Jacuzzi
Bruce Mowbray: or SHOULD have!
Santoshima Resident: shouldn't you have more tattoos? with that name?
Bruce Mowbray: Wouldn't that e HARLEY-DAVIDSON, San?
Bruce Mowbray: be*
Santoshima Resident: oh ... maybe you Have more tattoos already ... sorry for asking ... too personal
Bruce Mowbray: ha ha!
Yakuzza Lethecus: nah, i am boring :)
Bruce Mowbray: me too, Yaku!
Wol Euler: undecorated.
Bruce Mowbray: \NO TATTOOS for me or my typist!
Yakuzza Lethecus: i as a yakuzza wouldn´t have fingers
Bruce Mowbray: Alas.
Wol Euler grins.
Yakuzza Lethecus: don´t think i would be great in the job
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Bruce Mowbray: Well,
Bruce Mowbray: my typist tells me that it's time for him to be a-scraping up supper,
Bruce Mowbray: I MUST find another typist, alas.
Bruce Mowbray: but,
Wol Euler: and I should be heading off too
Bruce Mowbray: farewell, good people, for now.
Yakuzza Lethecus: good weekend everyone
Wol Euler: goodnight, all. Enjoy the weekend
Bruce Mowbray: YES! Have a wonderful spring weekend, good people!
Santoshima Resident: ty wol, you too !

Wol Euler: san, are you going to Perfect Paradise?
Santoshima Resident: uhm, what's there?
Wol Euler: Zen's music :) and often Sun too
Santoshima Resident: sure, for a short while
Santoshima Resident: then cleaning the basement
Santoshima Resident: ty ~ safe teleport!
Wol Euler: I think that is the current landmark, but you may find youreslf in midair. falling
Wol Euler: take care!