2014.04.18 13:00 - Meta Mega Dragon Layers

The Guardian for this meeting was Yaku. The comments are by No Self.

--BELL--

Yakuzza Lethecus: hej hej bruce
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey zen
Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Yaku.
Yakuzza Lethecus: happy easter you two
Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Zen
Zen Arado: ty Yaku
Zen Arado: Hi Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: Pardon me but I am trying to learn how to use Dragon NaturallySpeaking
Zen Arado: well done Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: For the very first time today.
Bruce Mowbray: Well it's going slowly
Yakuzza Lethecus: hehe, you got a lot of example texts to read for the program :9
Zen Arado: you have to train it
Zen Arado: yeh

Bruce Mowbray: Yes I know I have to train it but what I need to do now is to get out of the dictation box.
Zen Arado: John Kennedy's Inauguration speech :)
Bruce Mowbray: Yes that is the very one I used to train
Zen Arado: it's not what America can do for you.....
Bruce Mowbray: And I've also been teaching it new words that are unique to my location and life
Zen Arado: :)
Zen Arado: yes good idea
Bruce Mowbray: How can I get out of the dictation box?
Zen Arado: just click in the chatbox line
Bruce Mowbray: I would like what I say to go directly to the nearby chat box....
Bruce Mowbray: kk,
Zen Arado: here you mean?
Bruce Mowbray: let me try that.
Zen Arado: its starts up automatically
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, to go directly to the nearby chat.
Bruce Mowbray: instead of to the distation box in Dragon.
Zen Arado: I usually say a word in it then use local chat
Bruce Mowbray: kk.

Bruce Mowbray: Can I get rid of it?
Zen Arado: it will come up again
Zen Arado: though it can be disabled I think
Bruce Mowbray: I am trying to do that now
Zen Arado: it can be useful sometimes
Zen Arado: it is more accurate than using local chatbox
Bruce Mowbray: But I don't want to be a further disruption to our session here
Zen Arado: but a pain having to transfer all the time
Bruce Mowbray: Yes it does seem to be accurate
Zen Arado: you are an articulate American so it should work very well for you
Bruce Mowbray dies from laughing....
Bruce Mowbray: It is a two-step process that enables me to correct things after they get transfered to the chat box.
Bruce Mowbray: OOOOPS!
Bruce Mowbray: That was a mistake.
Bruce Mowbray: sry, just learning.
Zen Arado: yeh it's a nuisance correcting things in chatbox

Bruce Mowbray: So, Are you guys ready for Easter?
Zen Arado: ready for what?
Zen Arado: :)
Bruce Mowbray: Easter holiday weekend?
Zen Arado: I don't celebrate it
Zen Arado: if that is right word
Zen Arado: :)
Bruce Mowbray: Get this: the Quaker group I attend has decided not to have a Meeting on Easter!
Yakuzza Lethecus: hehe, well it´s a bit like christmas without presents
Bruce Mowbray: I don't either...

Zen Arado: I read lately that it celebrates Ishtar god of fertility
Bruce Mowbray: but I do enjoy a nice spring holiday.
Zen Arado: that;s the symbolism of the egg and bunnies
Zen Arado: but the Christians hijacked the deast

Bruce Mowbray: I learned just this week, whilst doing Gnosticism studies, that the date for Easter was set at the Council of Nicaea in 325.

--BELL--

Zen Arado: I don't like public hols
Qt Core: Hi Bruce, Yaku, Zen
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey qt
Bruce Mowbray: Yeya, Qt!
Zen Arado: get them all back to work I say
Zen Arado: Hi Qt
Yakuzza Lethecus: well i even ate meat today
Yakuzza Lethecus: qt did you have fish today ?
Qt Core: yes, but meat too

Yakuzza Lethecus: bruce, zen ur both protestants ?
Bruce Mowbray: Not to worry you two, Zen and I will not report you.
Bruce Mowbray: Not I.
Zen Arado: I was brought up in that tradition yes
Qt Core: :-) if only this was my only sin ;-)
Bruce Mowbray: I'm a Taoist, Pantheist, Buddhist (is that enough?)
Zen Arado: yeh I am a protestant non dualist :)
Bruce Mowbray: nods.

Bruce Mowbray: I feel that these matters are of far greater concern in a nation like Ireland.
Bruce Mowbray: Than they are in America
Qt Core: in italy too
Bruce Mowbray: (I just noticed that Dragon likes to start every sentence with a capital letter.
Zen Arado: yeh yoou wouldn't get to give a talk on gnosticism in a N.Irish presbyterian church :)
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Bruce Mowbray: All I am I am sure that that would not be permitted
Zen Arado: yes well aren't we supposed to?
Zen Arado: :)
Bruce Mowbray: I'm not even sure it's going to be permitted in the Sunday school class that I am preparing it for
Bruce Mowbray: heh heh.
Zen Arado: :)
Zen Arado: Dragon works best in Word Bruce

Bruce Mowbray: I'm guessing that the first couple of times I used the expression "Pauline- invented Christianity"
Zen Arado: astoundingly well I think
Bruce Mowbray: that they might get out the stakes and torches.
Zen Arado: yeh it is Paulianity in N.Ireland
Zen Arado: Paul Paul Paul
Bruce Mowbray: Yes I experimented with WORD this morning and it seemed to work really well
Bruce Mowbray listens.
Zen Arado: listens too
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Zen Arado: I bought Dragon from French nuance site
Zen Arado: I get french and englush then
Zen Arado: and cheaper
Bruce Mowbray: It's really not too expensive over here... only $60 or something like that.
Bruce Mowbray: and it is an amazing piece of software.
Zen Arado: I use the premier version
Bruce Mowbray: ahhh!
Zen Arado: costs 99euros
Bruce Mowbray: Well, that versions is more expensive, to be sure.
Zen Arado: reduced price

Bruce Mowbray: yes, I also got my "Home" version at a reduced price....
Zen Arado: prix habituel 149 Euros
Bruce Mowbray: perhaps it's a special they are having all over the world right now.
Bruce Mowbray: nods.
Zen Arado: hmm maybe
Zen Arado: but Amazon usually more expensive
Zen Arado: I have been using versions for years
Zen Arado: I must have been using voice typing for 15 years or more
Bruce Mowbray: I'm enjoying the read back function -- after I write a document I have the computer read it back to me through Dragon, and I can correct things that way - when I hear my words read back to me.
Zen Arado: difgerent versions
Bruce Mowbray: That's amazing, Zen.
Zen Arado: IBM, Freespeech before Dragon
Bruce Mowbray: nods.

--BELL--

Zen Arado: I actually did a little course on Freespeech at a local university
Zen Arado: I better go get started at PP

Bruce Mowbray: This morning, right before the 7 AM meditation at the Garden of Peace in second life, I taught Dragon to say Namaste.
Bruce Mowbray: kk, bye for now, Zen.
Zen Arado: good idea
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye zen

Zen Arado: there was a lecture on using it in SL a while ago
Qt Core: bye Zen
Zen Arado: the guy said to train each word 3 times
Bruce Mowbray: No mastery -- now must stay -- no musty --
Bruce Mowbray: Yeah, it's not remembering what I taught it!
Bruce Mowbray: I will retrain it -- 3 times.
Zen Arado: it can be annoying ..those stupid mistakes
Zen Arado: :)
Bruce Mowbray: nods.
Bruce Mowbray: Yikes!
Zen Arado: to for too or two
Bruce Mowbray: or no musty for Namaste.
Zen Arado: anyway byee
Bruce Mowbray: bye for now!
Zen Arado: :)
Bruce Mowbray: I originally wanted to explore Dragon NaturallySpeaking because of my interest in artificial intelligence.
Bruce Mowbray: Specifically, I am interested in its ability to upgrade itself - in other words, to learn.
Bruce Mowbray: I have written a few very simple programs in which a robot or two or three robots found their way through a maze...
Bruce Mowbray: And exchanged information with each other about what they had learned individually.
Bruce Mowbray: Which enabled the learning process for the entire group of three robots to go faster.

Yakuzza Lethecus: might be a bit scary how good google´s language profiles of us will be
Bruce Mowbray: OHI had not thought about that
Bruce Mowbray: Yikes!
Yakuzza Lethecus: i use googles dictation function sometimes
Bruce Mowbray: Do you think that our voice profiles are going beyond our individual computers?
Yakuzza Lethecus: sure
Bruce Mowbray: (I mean with Dragon?)
Yakuzza Lethecus: well, they might have a cloudservice
Bruce Mowbray: Hmmmm.
Yakuzza Lethecus: it takes ages to train, they must have a function for that, it´s a a feature for some, it´s a bug for some
Bruce Mowbray: nods.

Bruce Mowbray: It must be an extremely sophisticated programme with multiple heuristics.
Bruce Mowbray: oppps, it just did the Euro spelling for program.
Bruce Mowbray: My typist is having a grand old time with this dragon thing
Yakuzza Lethecus: i tired it maybe 10 years back, for me it doesn´t make much sense, even tho if it´s well trained it might
Yakuzza Lethecus: but speaking out loud demands a quiet environment

Bruce Mowbray: If you are referring to Dragon NaturallySpeaking, Yaku, I also dabbled with it about six years ago, and I am tremendously impressed by how much progress they've made with it.
Yakuzza Lethecus: for you and zen that might usually be the case
Bruce Mowbray: There is a YouTube video demonstrating version 11 of Dragon, in a room crowded with people talking a very loudly. And the person doing the demonstration - from Nuance software - is able to get the programme to transcribe every single word he says perfectly and very very rapidly.
Bruce Mowbray: Here is that vid:

--BELL--

Bruce Mowbray: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJVBqDbqqiQ
Bruce Mowbray: I found that to be utterly amazing, actually.
Yakuzza Lethecus: well he really talked like a text to language program :)
Bruce Mowbray: !!
Yakuzza Lethecus: you might soon sound like text to speech software too :)
Qt Core: so Dragon trained him ?
Bruce Mowbray: He surely did know the commands that one needs in Dragon.
Bruce Mowbray: I have yet to learn them myself.
Bruce Mowbray: I think actually that the nuance corporation may have trained him.
Bruce Mowbray: I mean, he really seems to know his way around Dragon NaturallySpeaking.

Qt Core: as i like messing with meta levels... how one would write about Dragon using Dragon without making a mess ?
Bruce Mowbray: Yes this also fascinates me a lot, Q T.
Qt Core: like the escape characters in programming languages
Bruce Mowbray: How do we popout of the system and pop back into it....? And still have meaningful dialogue all along the way? Multiple layers. Meta layers.
Yakuzza Lethecus: might be some special modules for programmers like there are for medical ppl
Bruce Mowbray: Indeed, Yaku. Good point.
Bruce Mowbray: But personally, I cannot imagine trying to do coding through Dragon.
Bruce Mowbray: opps!
Bruce Mowbray: Why did it shout???
Bruce Mowbray: I don't ever remember seeing a shout like that.
Qt Core: just imagining explaining to it the keyboard shortcuts...
Bruce Mowbray: Yikes!
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, Qt, that would be incredibly difficult.
Bruce Mowbray: I should think.
Qt Core: as usual the net is crazier than me: http://usevim.com/2013/05/08/vimspeak/

Bruce Mowbray: Well, it's about time for my typist to be scraping up some supper. So I will bid you gentlemen adieu.
Bruce Mowbray: takes a look at Qt's link before he leaves.
Bruce Mowbray: That looks like you'd have to learn a whole new language!
Qt Core: and this too: http://ergoemacs.org/emacs/using_voice_to_code.html
Bruce Mowbray: Just to communicate with . . . Looks at second link.
Bruce Mowbray: Now, THAT I want to look into further, and after supper!

--BELL--

Bruce Mowbray: Blub and I will be going, then. Have a fine weekend, Qt and Yaku!
Qt Core: bye Bruce
Yakuzza Lethecus: gosh, was in the 2nd vid
Yakuzza Lethecus: i got to watch the 2nd vid again tomorrow, very cryptic speaking :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: good night
Qt Core: bye