2015.02.12 13:00 - Reconcilation and Contentment

The Guardians for this meeting were Storm and Shinju. The added comments are by Shinju.

The first half of session was mostly going over proposed adjustments to land in SL, and in the second, we talk about reconciliation and contentment, a theme of importance for a few of the group at the moment, seeing from 'both sides now.'

--BELL--


真珠 : Hey Cat, Kori, Bleu
Bleu Oleander: hi everyone :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: Hello all :)
真珠 : How are we doing today?
Bleu Oleander: great, u?
Catrinamonblue Resident: tired, feeling a bit sick
真珠 : spent! was a really busy and dizzying day
真珠 : Oh, sorry to hear that Cat
Bleu Oleander: sorry to hear
Catrinamonblue Resident: just stress....
真珠 : ah, we may be feeling similarly. I spent the day trying to get to the bottom of car issues and following up with a potential job
真珠 : fun stuff
真珠 : :)
Bleu Oleander: a lot for one day!
真珠 nods.. started simply enough
真珠 : :)

Catrinamonblue Resident: I'm still recovering from 8 hours on tuesday spent at my moms sorting her stuff... and work stress too
真珠 : 8 hours... that seems too much for that kind of emotional work
Bleu Oleander: hi Storm :)
真珠 : Hey, Storm!
Storm Nordwind: Hello!
Catrinamonblue Resident: her house is an almost 3 hour drive away so that too
Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi Storm
Catrinamonblue Resident: yes it was too long but had to be done, and it's not finished sigh.....
真珠 : must do something to replenish
真珠 : some kind of self care
Catrinamonblue Resident: like sit here and relax a bit, listen to the birds :)
真珠 smiles
Bleu Oleander: :)
真珠 : bubble baths are good too.... maybe a bit of salt
真珠 : lavender
Catrinamonblue Resident: :) maybe a bit later
真珠 : with company even better ^^
Catrinamonblue Resident: ;) oui!!
真珠 grins
Bleu Oleander fans herself
真珠 giggles
Catrinamonblue Resident: laughs out loud :)
真珠 checks the maturity rating
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
真珠 : So, Storm did you see my note re the sauce? I made it and liked it... really unusual with the ginger, which I think I used too much of
Bleu Oleander: hey Aggers
真珠 : the fennel is awesome
Agatha Macbeth: Evening all
Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi Aggers :)
真珠 : Hi Agatha!
Storm Nordwind: The fennel is the secret. But you should not be using separate ginger or you will get the balance wrong. You should use ginger and garlic paste, which you can get as a premixed ingredient, already in balance. But I'm glad you like it
真珠 : for my son I added a bit of alfredo and it was gooooood
真珠 : :)
真珠 : yeah, I have the paste but I think I used too much because I normally love ginger so much that too much is never enough
Storm Nordwind: haha
Agatha Macbeth: Ginger is good
真珠 : I have spicy ginger candies next to me now, which I put in green tea
Storm Nordwind: I used Swad brand. very easy to get here
Storm Nordwind: You can get separate giner and garlic pastes, but the prebalanced is better
Catrinamonblue Resident: sorry got to go, someone just came home :)
真珠 : okay, feel well Cat
Bleu Oleander: bye Cat
Storm Nordwind waves
Catrinamonblue Resident: bye
真珠 blows bubbles
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Cat ^.^

真珠 : Bleu, I peeked at the logs before arriving today and saw that last night's session was interesting... haven't read fully yet though
Korel Laloix: Heya
Bleu Oleander: yes, we explored a bit :)
真珠 : Heya Kori :)
Bleu Oleander: hi Kori
真珠 : the LEA sites?
Agatha Macbeth: Osiyo K
Korel Laloix: Osiyo... smiles
Bleu Oleander: Linden Park
Agatha Macbeth: Isn't that a band?
真珠 : how did it feel?
Bleu Oleander: well I think we all agreed that it was nice but not "home" :)
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
真珠 nods thoughtfully
Agatha Macbeth: No heart there?
Bleu Oleander: fine for getting together for conversation
Bleu Oleander: and free :)
真珠 : setting does really matter to tone and feeling
Bleu Oleander: depends on what you want to do
真珠 nods
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, I used to love the backdrops we used here
真珠 : I'm always more comfortable when there are trees about
Korel Laloix: Not a tree fan, I prefer wide open spaces.

--BELL--

真珠 : and when the seating isn't weird feeling
Korel Laloix: They are OK single, but you put them together tehy want to crowd you out.
Agatha Macbeth: You can see the buffalo coming
Korel Laloix: Exactly... smiles
Bleu Oleander: hehe
Storm Nordwind: We have both here at the pavilion. Trees to the north. Open space to the south.
Bleu Oleander: somehow I don't think PaBers understand land sizes and prim allowances ... don't realize tier prices either
Agatha Macbeth: Except they're big
真珠 : I was just typing a similar comment to Storm's... that we have best of both here - wide open and tree friendly spacse
真珠 : I certainly don't understand well
Bleu Oleander: I think it was helpful that Storm rezzed a 1/16 size prim but some think they can pile up all the PaB builds in the sky over that :)
真珠 : ah :)
Agatha Macbeth: Just about covered the pavilion
真珠 : there seems to be some question of rezzers and hologram rooms
Storm Nordwind: Perhaps those people with no understanding will be OK to accept whatever happens/ ;-)
Bleu Oleander: rezzers are great but you still need to watch prim count
真珠 : ha ha ha well, yes
真珠 : PaB as tardis is basically what we all want
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Raff
真珠 : keep everything and take up no space
真珠 : Hi Raffi :)

Raffila Millgrove: hi everyone. sorry to pop in lateish.
真珠 : not at all, glad you made it
Bleu Oleander: hi raffi
真珠 : I think I neglected to send a notice for today
Bleu Oleander: so not able to rez the museum on a 1/16 sky space over the pavilion ... at least as it is build atm
真珠 nods... museum really needs its own allowance, even if a bit smaller
Agatha Macbeth: Must be a *lot* of prim in the museum
真珠 : I wonder... so much of it is photos and teleports
Agatha Macbeth: I wonder if even Adams knows :p
真珠 : :) Only Storm knows all, probably ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: Oh he does
Agatha Macbeth: He just doesn't tell ;-)
真珠 : see, look at him there... you can tell how all knowing he is
Agatha Macbeth nods
Agatha Macbeth: Like Odin
Storm Nordwind: Oh no please.
Bleu Oleander: looks like a couple thousand prims and more than the area it sits on are needed ... just looking at about land quickly
Agatha Macbeth: Hmmm
真珠 : I guess next week we can send out a basic questionaire
真珠 : which things seem most important to try to preserve, who is willing to contribute, whether people would be OK wandering?
Bleu Oleander: I think it would be helpful to know prim counts on the builds we all would like to keep and what size land we would need to support them
真珠 : good point yes
真珠 : to be able to give informed preferences
Korel Laloix: Well, there are some long term perm sims we could meet at for free.
Korel Laloix: Just would not be able to call home.
真珠 nods
真珠 : we have proven ourselves to be habitual creatures in a lot of ways though.... so my concern is that one more step removed and we might scatter more/gather less

Bleu Oleander: if only 5 peeps are willing to pay $5/mo then we would be stuck with 1/16 sim
Bleu Oleander: and couldn't have more than 900 or so prims
真珠 : I think we have 5 already who have said... so that is before taking count
Bleu Oleander: correct me if i'm wrong Storm
Storm Nordwind: Er... I think I mentioned the calculations in an email to the group. I don't have them in front of me!
Bleu Oleander: ok that's what i'm quoting i think :)
Agatha Macbeth: Yes I have a vague recollection of that
真珠 : :)

--BELL--

真珠 : After the pause, why don't we switch gears and take up a new topic....
真珠 waves to Storm
Storm Nordwind: Please excuse. I must leave early today.
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Agatha Macbeth: Be careful out there
Bleu Oleander: at present the pavilion sits on a piece roughly the size of 1/16 and used 569 prims of its alloted 988 ... just for reference
Bleu Oleander: bye Storm
真珠 : that's just the pavilion?
Bleu Oleander: and the trees around it
真珠 : ah, okay
Bleu Oleander: if you show property lines you can see the various divisions
Agatha Macbeth looks
Bleu Oleander: and then click on them and choose about land
Raffila Millgrove: I did present to Storm my offer.. made last week to get this pavilion into mesh.. so it could be figured into calcultions at a lower prim count. He is thinking about it.
真珠 : great, thanks Raffi
Raffila Millgrove: i mention this last week and say I will try to talk privately to Storm on his feelings about it.
Bleu Oleander: that's a great idea Raffi
Agatha Macbeth: Good thinking
Bleu Oleander: I wonder how much we would get it down to
Raffila Millgrove: becuase it seemed like everyone or most would like to keep the pavilion if possible.
真珠 : seems so to me too
Raffila Millgrove: Well Storm says he will investigate it.
Raffila Millgrove: how much can be saved.


Agatha Macbeth: Wow I only just realised how many different plots there are here
Bleu Oleander: the idea might be to make the pavilion smaller count so we can put a second build in a sky space
真珠 : that would be great I think
Bleu Oleander: sorry but I must go
Raffila Millgrove: I am removing myself from anything further on this. I am sorry. I thought it was a nice contribution i could make. to get it meshed either free. or to pay for it.
真珠 : not clutter the pavilion area
真珠 : OK Bleu
Agatha Macbeth: TC Bleuji
Bleu Oleander: going to hear David Eagleman speak
Raffila Millgrove: I was willing to shoulder any cost in getting that done.
Bleu Oleander: brains and spirituality
真珠 : Oh, wonderful - have a lovely time Bleu
Bleu Oleander: ok c u all later :)
真珠 : very kind offer Raffi
Raffila Millgrove: thank you Shin. I haven't been able to contribute much .....
真珠 : always find your contributions interesting
Raffila Millgrove: anyway. take care all and again I am sorry to interrupt but i wanted to catch Storm... in person.. which is why I came over today...
真珠 : my day was so busy that I am finding it difficult to get into much of a detail mode about prims and such
真珠 : Oh, okay... you are leaving too? :)
Raffila Millgrove: it's not very interesting .. for topic. i hope that maybe you can move to... topic for today.
Raffila Millgrove: big hugs to all. xoxo
真珠 : hugs
Agatha Macbeth: Bye
真珠 : :) Actually I really hoped to move away from topic of reorganization after touching on it for a bit
Raffila Millgrove: bye sorry i can't stay. rl keeps interrupting the more important SL.. barely can get anywhere ontime or aviod leaving early. i have the baby living with me. and her mom cannot drive.. this is why I am in and out all the time. again. my apologies.
Agatha Macbeth: Looks like you did it again K :p
真珠 : no worries :) smootches to baby
Agatha Macbeth hands you a rattle
Korel Laloix: Oh I have been here a while so I can't complain this time.. smiles
真珠 grins
Agatha Macbeth: Hehe
Raffila Millgrove: yay Kori. ty Aggie. see you all later.
Korel Laloix: Ciao bella

真珠 : give us an interesting or inspiring topic, Kori :)
Korel Laloix: lol
Korel Laloix: Reconciliation.....
真珠 : oooh big one
Agatha Macbeth: How about the 'vanishing avatars'?
Korel Laloix: Is sort of a big thing for me lately
真珠 : :P
Agatha Macbeth listens
真珠 : please say more?
Korel Laloix: Had not had an AV die in like 7 years now.
Korel Laloix: Recently had a big repair with my mother.
Agatha Macbeth: Wow
真珠 : huge
Korel Laloix: First time we have had anything like a real conversation in my life that I can remember...
真珠 : your initiation? hers?
Korel Laloix: Still distant and halting... but at least no active screaming.
Korel Laloix: Neither... my gf's.
真珠 : no screaming can be a big step
Korel Laloix: So something is there.... just slowly figuring out what.
真珠 : I hope for both of you, that you're able to work with whatever that is
Korel Laloix: IT is already better than it ever was, so I cant' complain.
Korel Laloix: Very thankful really.
Korel Laloix: But no one ever tells you that the hard part is not repairing the relationships.
Korel Laloix: The hard part is what to do afterwards with it.
真珠 : day to day
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, yes
Korel Laloix: Without that tension in your life, there is a big hole that seem out of place.
Korel Laloix: Hate can fill up a lot of your heart.
Korel Laloix: And that does not go away easily it seems.
真珠 : I think we always encounter the brokenness... think that never goes away
Korel Laloix: So a bit of a struggle that I am not prepared at all to handle.. frowns
真珠 : whether there is the added anger or hatred etc. may be another thing
Agatha Macbeth: Oh dear
Korel Laloix: But still would not trade this for anything.
真珠 : :)

--BELL--

Korel Laloix: Foregiveness is nice though... it feels good overall.
Agatha Macbeth smiles
真珠 : I was musing on a line from a song today... weirdly, it gripped me and I thought about it over and over .... "You have suffered enough and warred with yourself; its time that you won..."
Agatha Macbeth: Who's that by?
Korel Laloix: I know how that feels for sure...
真珠 : I think Glen Hansard wrote it
真珠 : from the "Once" film
Agatha Macbeth: I'll have to look him up
真珠 : very profound and interesting music in that film

真珠 : Do you have a plan for going forward Kori?
Korel Laloix: NOt a plan, no.
Korel Laloix: Just presence.
Agatha Macbeth: That works too
Korel Laloix: She is batteling another round of cancer so jsut support of that makes time.
真珠 : oh dear
真珠 : so now is the time
真珠 : does it amaze you to be open hearted?
Korel Laloix: I agree... and one of the reasons Sama sort of forced this... very glad she did really. I was getting no where.
Korel Laloix: I have dreamed of making up with my mom for years.... but was wrong on how it would feel in almost every way.
真珠 : forgiveness in theory and forgiveness in practice can be quite diff things
Korel Laloix: I figured that.. but interesting how things look from each side of the event.
真珠 : both sides now :)
真珠 : I feel I've regressed a bit, with forgiveness for my mom... but it wasn't that exactly. it was another layer
真珠 : what one is ready for, further openings
真珠 : "If I want to know this person, I need to let myself be known"
真珠 : not just dole out forgiveness, if that makes sense :)

Korel Laloix: Yes, there are layers to forgiveness.. I agree with that.
Korel Laloix: And it can be one-way... but works better if all directions.
真珠 : :)

真珠 : yes, learning that from Cat, too
Agatha Macbeth: ^.^
真珠 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8mtXwtapX4 <--- here is the song, btw
真珠 : hope it plays ok since I have no sound on this computer atm
Agatha Macbeth: No dancing for you then
真珠 : :) silent dancing
Agatha Macbeth: Chaplinesque
真珠 : guess one has to like a kind of raw sound, to like these songs
Agatha Macbeth: Mm
Agatha Macbeth: Well I can be in the mood for raw sometimes :p
真珠 : :)
Korel Laloix: lol
真珠 : well I am happy for you Kori... feel a little like we've gone through this journey with you
真珠 : or are going through
Agatha Macbeth: Yay
Agatha Macbeth: And what a journey
真珠 : indeed
Korel Laloix: It is interesting thinking about everything that is probably in mthe logs about my mom issues...
Korel Laloix: lol
Korel Laloix: I think way too much of me is in there sometimes.
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe it will help others who might read it
真珠 : I feel that way myself sometimes, but Aggers is right
真珠 : for anyone who follows, not just grabs a snippet, there is a definite character arc, and impressive one at that

Agatha Macbeth: I often wonder if anybody turns up our logs on google and wonders what the hell this is all about
真珠 : I hope so
真珠 : :))
Agatha Macbeth: 'What is this Second Life anyway?'
真珠 : do we have an email on the front page of the wiki if anyone wanted to make contact?
Korel Laloix: Well, I know there are some that do it... been harassed a couple of times in here about it.
Agatha Macbeth: Dunno
真珠 : hm, we don't.
Korel Laloix: All they have to do is look at names and find us in world.
真珠 nods... for SL users
真珠 : sometimes I make friends and wonder whether I should give them my nom de avatar
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh would be harder for outsiders

--BELL--

真珠 : my telling Cat to take a bubble bath made me long for one...
真珠 : so I'm going to get going, and muse about time and forgiveness layers, and logs layers
Agatha Macbeth: And sims and prims
真珠 : sims and prims and stims oh my
Agatha Macbeth looks for Stim
Agatha Macbeth: TC best beloved
真珠 : haha.... bad rhyme
真珠 : (((((ladies)))))
Agatha Macbeth: ♥
真珠 : <3 smootches
Agatha Macbeth: Anyways
Korel Laloix: Sorry.. had a text chat to attend to.
Agatha Macbeth: Hope all goes well for you K
Korel Laloix: Take care... love your hair... smiles
Agatha Macbeth: I seem to say that a lot
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh, usual colour :p
Korel Laloix: Things are amazing for me right now.
Agatha Macbeth: Glad to hear it

Korel Laloix: Not been this content in a long time.
Agatha Macbeth: Content...now THERE'S a word
Korel Laloix smiles
Agatha Macbeth: TC x
Korel Laloix: But I think I mean it like it is supposed to.
Korel Laloix: ciao bella
Agatha Macbeth smiles

Agatha Macbeth: Bye recorder