2015.02.15 07:00 - Mary Magdalen

The Guardian for this meeting was Adams Rubble. The comments are by Adams Rubble.

I was alone for the first 15 minutes or so and had wandered off to other windows getting ready for the week so I missed Korel's arrival. The discussion of Mary Magdalen begins about a third of the way down. Knowing little about the Magdalen or the iconography of her representations, I became interested in the subject and looked it up and added notes, usually in brown font.

Korel Laloix: MOrning..
--BELL--
Korel Laloix: Morning...
Mickorod Renard: morning
Korel Laloix: Just got here myself.
Mickorod Renard: I wasnt sure if there was a meeting
Korel Laloix: Just waiting on Grandma to get ready, then I am off. So not on long.
Korel Laloix: I thiere is always a meeting, just sometimes people don't show up... lol
Adams Rubble: Hello Korel :)
Korel Laloix: Osiyo
Mickorod Renard: wow, so nice to have a grandma
Korel Laloix: I think so... smiles.
Adams Rubble: I had looked away from the screen
Mickorod Renard: I never knew mine, dead before I was born..
Korel Laloix: My blood grandparents are all gone, never met them. Grandma is actually my stepfather's mother.
Korel Laloix: On my mom's side at least.
Mickorod Renard: oh ok, nice tho
Korel Laloix: But recently got in touch with my father... and slowly getting to know his mother at least.
Mickorod Renard: I am a grandad
Korel Laloix: Great.... smiles
Mickorod Renard: :)
Korel Laloix: How many little ones?
Adams Rubble: Hello Mick :)
Mickorod Renard: Hi adams
Mickorod Renard: I have 2.5 grandchildren
Korel Laloix: Oh nice... smiles
Adams Rubble: :)
Mickorod Renard: yes, the .5 is on the way
Korel Laloix: Can't see that happening for me for quite a while at least.
Mickorod Renard: one is nearly 5 and the other is just over a year old
Korel Laloix: You get to see them often?
Mickorod Renard: yes, my grandaughter aged nearly 5 is often with me
Adams Rubble: 5 is nice age
Mickorod Renard: I often take her to school and she has a bedroom here at mine too
Korel Laloix: Oh excellent.
Mickorod Renard: yes, 5 is great
Mickorod Renard: Did I see that you are recently a grandparent Adams?
Korel Laloix: I have some neices and nephews coming up on that age.
Adams Rubble: yes Mick
Mickorod Renard: hey cool. so you get to play with lil ones then
Mickorod Renard: nice Adams
Korel Laloix: And even better to give them back when you have them all riled up and cranky... grins
Mickorod Renard: he he , I think I get to take too much a role in mine...and that is quite tiring
Korel Laloix: But good for them...
Korel Laloix: oh got to go.
Korel Laloix: Take care all
Mickorod Renard: bye korel
Adams Rubble: Bye Korel :)
Korel Laloix: ciao.. take care all

Mick brings up the Magdalen

Mickorod Renard: I have been thinking of painting the magdelen for a while Adams
Adams Rubble: Interesting person
Mickorod Renard: yes, She features alot in my dreams
Adams Rubble: ohhhh
Mickorod Renard: although I cannot say I have a good idea of what she looks like
Adams Rubble: she appears so much in art through the centuries
Adams Rubble: so many different ways to think about her
Mickorod Renard: yes, although I dont think she is represented well
Adams Rubble: :)
Mickorod Renard: for me the challenge would be to do her justice
Adams Rubble: well then you definitely should do it
Mickorod Renard: I am practicing on other portraits until I feel confident
Adams Rubble: :)
Mickorod Renard: foor me its about capturing both what Jesus would have loved and also a sensuality that is not rude
Adams Rubble nods
Mickorod Renard: in most works she is usually dressed in one colour...I beleive you are a knowledgable person on these matters?
--BELL--
Adams Rubble: I do not know about the iconography of Mary Magdalen
Mickorod Renard: ah ok

Note: In the Middle Ages in the west, he is usally presented with red hair and red cloak and veil unless she is pictiured with the red egg. [Pino Blasone, "Magdalene'’s Iconography,between Passion and Melancholy". Academia.edu]

Adams Rubble: I have looked at pictures of the Magdelen in different eras
Mickorod Renard: any you like?
Adams Rubble: often she is presented as an ascetic with long hair covering an otherwwise naked body
Mickorod Renard: yes
Adams Rubble: Donatello's sculpture is very striking

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penitent_Magdalene_%28Donatello%29
Note: According to legend, Mary Magdalen spent the last uears of her life as a penitent in cave in Southern France.

Mickorod Renard: mmmmm, I think I know the one
Adams Rubble: she appears very saintly in Byzantine painting
Adams Rubble: the sensuous view is western I think
Mickorod Renard: with a flame?
Adams Rubble: hmmm. I don't remember now
Mickorod Renard: yes, the sensuality for me would be just a capture of 'woman' but that too is awakward
Mickorod Renard: I must just throw myself in I think
Adams Rubble: she holds a jar of oil in some Byzantine painitings
Adams Rubble: ointment
Mickorod Renard: mmm ok..any idea of why?
Mickorod Renard: anointing I guess
Adams Rubble: yes for annointing Christ's feet

Note: It is often felt to be the ointment for the feet but the more correct answer is aloe or myrrh. Mary Magdalen was among those who visited the tomb on Easter morning. Mary Magdalen had brought spices to annoint Christ's body. Of course the body was gone and Mary Magdalen is known as the "myrrh bearer" (Mt. 28:1-10; Mk. 16:1-11; Jn. 20:1-18) [Pino Blasone, "Magdalene'’s Iconography,between Passion and Melancholy". Academia.edu]

In addition the Magdalen usually holds a cross besides.

Adams Rubble: there are also pictures with an egg and I do not know why

Note: After Jesus' death, Mary Magdalen traveled to Rome where she has dinner with St.Veronica and Emperior Tiberius. During the meal she told the emperor of Jesus' death and resurrection. The emperor responded that it was impossible for anyone to rise from the dead. Mary Magdalen picked up an egg and it turned red...and that, Mick and dear PaBers is why Christians celebrate Easter with decorated eggs. I did not know that :) [Pino Blasone, "Magdalene'’s Iconography,between Passion and Melancholy". Academia.edu]

Mickorod Renard: there is something quite wonderful in it all i think..when you look into it
Adams Rubble: yes, it is fun to pick a narrow topic and look in ddetail
Adams Rubble: The Catholic encyclopedia 1913 edition (on the web) is a good place to look for the iconography
Mickorod Renard: grin, I certainly dont want to portray her as a hussey

Note: In 951 Pope Gregory associated Mary Magdaeln with Mary of Bethany and also Luke's "sinful woman". In the "Golden Legend" (a source much used by artists) her story was mixed up with Mary of Alexandria who had been a harlot but repented and lived the rest of her life as a penitent in the desert. The representations become more sensuous and she is often shown holding a skull to show tings to come. [Pino Blasone, "Magdalene'’s Iconography,between Passion and Melancholy". Academia.edu]

Mickorod Renard: ok ty..although the catholic side were probly the ones to misrepresent her
Adams Rubble: I think there is much individuality among the myriad of artists who painted her :)
Adams Rubble: there were more Catholic paintings because the protestants came late to the game :)
Adams Rubble: but many orthodox icons
Mickorod Renard: for sure, I personally would like to paint her from a loving perspective...maybe even capture something that a husband or close friend would like to add
Mickorod Renard: one day maybe
Adams Rubble: you definitely should do it :)
Adams Rubble: I am more attracted to the Mary and Martha story
--BELL--
Adams Rubble: welcome back
Mickorod Renard: Hi , sorry about that
Mickorod Renard: network dropped out I think
Adams Rubble: it happens to all of us
Mickorod Renard: I used to frequent the dream workshop of maxines but it doesnt happen anymore
Adams Rubble: so much has come and gone
Mickorod Renard: yes, but its been interesting. I think I must have been around for about 7 years..time flys
Adams Rubble: :)
Adams Rubble: yes it has been a wonderful ride
Adams Rubble: I sometimes am sorry I did not take more advantage of things
Adams Rubble: but many Kira things happened during my supper time
Mickorod Renard: well....I think thats something we all ask especially when it may be on its way out
Mickorod Renard: but it is just a second life and we mustnt neglect our first one
Adams Rubble: With so many different time zones it is impossible to accomodate all of us
Adams Rubble: hehe, yes, good to remember the first life
Mickorod Renard: for sure..and with Pema especially due to him being in two time zones
Adams Rubble: yes
Mickorod Renard: the 1pm sessions were good for me..they were 9pm in the UK
Adams Rubble: I have noticed that with our Europeans colleagues
Mickorod Renard: yes, if you are working...you get home,,sort things out..get something to eat and voila its time to log on before bedtime
Mickorod Renard: perfect
Adams Rubble: :)
Mickorod Renard: ok..I must move on and do some chores in rl
Mickorod Renard: take care..hope to see you soon
Adams Rubble: nice to see you this morning and thanks for the chat :)
Adams Rubble: bye for now
Mickorod Renard: bye