2015.02.16 12:00 - Life beyond PaB?

The Guardian for this meeting was Aphrodite Macbain. The comments are by Aphrodite Macbain.

ElanVitalo Resident: Heya, Cat!
Catrinamonblue Resident: Hello Elan :) and Bruce and Aph :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Hello Bruce, Elan, Cat
ElanVitalo Resident: Heya, Aph and Bruce.
Bruce Mowbray: wow, and I ever getting lag today!
Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Aph, Elan, and Cat.
Aphrodite Macbain: how's things?
Bruce Mowbray: Cold.
ElanVitalo Resident: VERY cold.
Aphrodite Macbain: Yes, I heard
Catrinamonblue Resident: very very very cold :)
ElanVitalo Resident is grateful not to be warm-blooded.
Aphrodite Macbain: It's 12 Centigrade here (about 50F)
Aphrodite Macbain: blue skies
ElanVitalo Resident: OMG.. UNFAIR!
Catrinamonblue Resident: but my apatment is warm and cozy :)
Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
Aphrodite Macbain: staying at home today?
Bruce Mowbray: My house is also cozy.... and I'm grateful not to have to go outside.
Catrinamonblue Resident: yes :) stat day in ON - family day
Bruce Mowbray: I'm staying home until it warms up.

Mexico

Catrinamonblue Resident: I get to go to Mexico next week :) so I can warm up :)
Aphrodite Macbain: cool
Bruce Mowbray: Wow!
Aphrodite Macbain: um warm
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Bruce Mowbray remembers that his typist went to Panama in the winter.
Catrinamonblue Resident: first time traveling to another country :)
Aphrodite Macbain: good for you!
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, wonderful!
Aphrodite Macbain: got passport and visa?
Catrinamonblue Resident: passport yes, don't need a visa just to visit for a week as I understand it
Aphrodite Macbain: oh- really?
Aphrodite Macbain: I thought visas were very important in Mexico
Bruce Mowbray: (?)
Bruce Mowbray: I will check....
Aphrodite Macbain: when my passport and visa were stolen in Mexico city it was a disaster
Aphrodite Macbain: the Mexicans wanted an exit visa
Catrinamonblue Resident: I don't need a visa, just checked..
Catrinamonblue Resident: just my passport
Aphrodite Macbain: ok good :-)
Aphrodite Macbain: where are you going in Mexico?
Aphrodite Macbain: a resort? Mexico city?
Qt Core: Hi all
Aphrodite Macbain: have u been to Mexico Bruce?
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Qt
Catrinamonblue Resident: Puerto Vallarta - yes a resort :)
Xirana Oximoxi: hello everyone! :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi Xiri :)
Aphrodite Macbain: nice
Bruce Mowbray:

"Upon arrival in Mexico you will need to produce an up to date passport plus a visitor’s permit which is now known as the FMM “Forma Migratoria Multiple”. This form is provided free of charge by your travel agent, airline or at point of entry. As before, passport holders from countries on Mexico’s no visa required list do not need to apply for a formal visa to visit Mexico. If you’re visiting Mexico from the US or Canada, this applies to you."

ElanVitalo Resident: Heya, Xir!
ElanVitalo Resident: Heya, Qt!
Catrinamonblue Resident: Thanks Bruce :)
Aphrodite Macbain: That's what I was referring to Bruce an FMM They want to make sure you leave the country after your visit
ElanVitalo Resident: Heya, Daedalus.
Aphrodite Macbain: Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi Daedalus
Daedalus687 Resident: Hi all
Aphrodite Macbain: Hello Daedalus
Bruce Mowbray: Howdy, Xir, Qt, and Daedalus.
Daedalus687 Resident: Long time no see
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Xiri
Aphrodite Macbain: Nice to see some old faces
Xirana Oximoxi: hi Aph, Cat, Elan, Bruce, Daedalus... :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: Thanks Aph, I'll look into it :)
Aphrodite Macbain: they may give it to you at the airport Cat
Bruce Mowbray: Cat will be in Mexico next week!
Aphrodite Macbain: Does anyone have any suggestions for our discussion today?
Bruce Mowbray: They'll probably give it to you before you leave the plane - or at least before you leave the airport, as Aph says.
Daedalus687 Resident: Sure
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Wol!
Bruce Mowbray listens.
Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Wol!
Xirana Oximoxi: hello Wol!
ElanVitalo Resident: Hi, Wol.
Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi Wol :)
Wol Euler: evening all
Daedalus687 Resident: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: If not, I have a suggestion for our discussion
Catrinamonblue Resident: listens
Bruce Mowbray listens carefully.
Daedalus687 Resident: aye

Beyond death
Aphrodite Macbain: I thought I'd continue from last week's discussion on death
Aphrodite Macbain: and talk about after death-then what?
Daedalus687 Resident: Perhaps it is only one world
Aphrodite Macbain: What will remain? How will we continue, if we continue?
Aphrodite Macbain: so many answers:
Aphrodite Macbain: rebirth,
Aphrodite Macbain: transform to energy
Aphrodite Macbain: stay in the form of monuments and memories?
Aphrodite Macbain: How will you continue?
Daedalus687 Resident: Death of the PaB?
Catrinamonblue Resident: likes the thought of rebirth :) a chance to keep learning and growing
Aphrodite Macbain: listens to Cat
Catrinamonblue Resident: ah.. oh.. that's all I was going to say :)
Aphrodite Macbain: what would be reborn Cat?
Daedalus687 Resident: Excuse me, please go ahead Catrinamonblue
Catrinamonblue Resident: well we are reborn every day I think, after death wouldn't be much different really, just another life to learn in
Aphrodite Macbain: in another body?
Xirana Oximoxi: I usually think I will continue decomposed and becoming part of the earth... worms, butterflies, birds...
ElanVitalo Resident: Yes, I like that too, Xir.
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
ElanVitalo Resident: Continuing the circle and cycles that had been continued in/as "me."
Aphrodite Macbain: Are you concerned about being remembered by others? Making a permanent mark on the world?
Aphrodite Macbain thinks about the pyramids
Bruce Mowbray: Of course, there's the whole new paradigm of "Transhumanism - in which one's digital self lives on.
Bruce Mowbray: (Just today Facebook announced they will start after-death programs for former folks with FB pages.)
Catrinamonblue Resident: I think I would rather not make a big mark on the world, I'm happy just to be me and love the people close to me, share in the little ups and downs of life and the food ;)
Aphrodite Macbain: Can you say more Bruce?
Bruce Mowbray: I will try to find the reference. Please continue...
Aphrodite Macbain: I suppose your children is one way of continuance
Xirana Oximoxi: Yes...I've read that too, Bruce....
Catrinamonblue Resident: perhaps if a person feels they need that immortality, but I don't see my children that way
Xirana Oximoxi: maybe soon we will interact in social online places with dead people :)
Bruce Mowbray: Here it is: http://zeenews.india.com/news/sci-tech/new-facebook-feature-to-manage-user-account-after-death_1547395.html
Aphrodite Macbain: Thanks Bruce. I'll read it after the session
Wol Euler: fascinating
Aphrodite Macbain: although I'm not sure why I would want to continue with FB after death
Wol Euler: hello bleu
Bleu Oleander: hi all :)
Wol Euler: well, clearly you don't :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Hiya Bleu
Aphrodite Macbain: Great to see you!
Xirana Oximoxi: hi Bleu :)

Life beyond PaB?

Daedalus687 Resident: If I may say, and I apologize it seem contrary to the discussion at hand, and I wish the conversation at hand to be completed, I am under the impression that this space that is PaB is currently under talks of a downsizing, I wanted to know the validity of this claim, also, I wanted to express my appreciation of this space.
Aphrodite Macbain: Sure Daedalus
Wol Euler: Daedalus, it is true that we will have to refinance our landholdings in SL, and we are considering what to do. We have four months notice to make the changes
Aphrodite Macbain: Are you getting any of the emails?
Aphrodite Macbain: we are hoping we might continue but in a smaller way
Aphrodite Macbain: being nomads in SL :-)
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Susan
Daedalus687 Resident: I am, yes. and I wonder if this is the appropriate setting to talk about such. If not, I gladly grant that sort of speak to a more appropriate time
Wol Euler: I wasn't aware of any doubt that we would continue?
Aphrodite Macbain: Agrees with Wol.
Bleu Oleander: I think we're still in the process of working that out?
Aphrodite Macbain: It was not whether, but how
Bleu Oleander: :)
Daedalus687 Resident: Aye, excuse my frank approach
Wol Euler: well, I stand corrected. Apparently the existence of PaB is up for discussion.

Aphrodite Macbain: It is?

Bleu Oleander: perhaps more like where it would continue rather than if?
Qt Core: sorry, rl calling, bye all
Catrinamonblue Resident: Bye Qt
Aphrodite Macbain: bye Qt
Daedalus687 Resident: Farewell
Xirana Oximoxi: bye QT!
Bleu Oleander: bye Qt
Aphrodite Macbain: yes
Aphrodite Macbain: we talked about this last week - the jury is still out
Daedalus687 Resident: I am rather frustrated by this.
Bruce Mowbray listens closely to catch the drift.
Wol Euler: I'm confused
Aphrodite Macbain: Are you getting the emails Daedalus?

Daedalus687 Resident: I am
Aphrodite Macbain: good
Bleu Oleander: why don't we all take a small piece of the land and continue here using everyone's spaces?
Daedalus687 Resident: I have frequented here at the time I can come, and I notice an absence of people.
Aphrodite Macbain: If you have any suggestions to make to the whole group it might be best if you make it in the form of an email so everyone can read it.
Daedalus687 Resident: Aye
Daedalus687 Resident: again, I perhaps am out of line
Aphrodite Macbain: not at all
ElanVitalo Resident looks around for line.
Daedalus687 Resident: lol
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Daedalus687 Resident: I wanted to suggest the source of inspiration for this space, TSK
Bruce Mowbray: Ah, yes!
Aphrodite Macbain: I am not sure if I am capable of summarizing all the suggestions that have been made but I suggest you come to our next Guardians meeting
Daedalus687 Resident: Yes Aph, thank you
Aphrodite Macbain: tsk tsk
Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
Daedalus687 Resident: I recall, remember, finding that text in my college library in a time of great upheaval
Daedalus687 Resident: Happenstance
Aphrodite Macbain: what does it stand for?
ElanVitalo Resident: Time Space Knowledge. . . .
Aphrodite Macbain: ah of course...
Wol Euler: O.O
Wol Euler: seriously, aph?
Aphrodite Macbain: the book...
Aphrodite Macbain: I'm always serious Wol :-)
Bruce Mowbray: http://www.amazon.com/Time-Space-Kno.../dp/0913546089
Aphrodite Macbain: so...
Aphrodite Macbain: shall we return to life after death? or life after PaB? TSK?
Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Susan.
Daedalus687 Resident: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Bleu, do you have any recommendations for continuing PAB?
Bleu Oleander: I think I've mentioned a few
Daedalus687 Resident: I wanted to get input of knowledge of a free platform
Bruce Mowbray: My typist has given instructions to the funeral director to have his ashes thrown into his skinny-dipping creek.
Wol Euler smiles.

Bruce Mowbray: ooops, sry, out of line there.

Catrinamonblue Resident: it's ok Bruce :) that's great. My mom told us years ago what she wanted done with her ashes :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Bleu Oleander: has everyone read Storm's email today?
Wol Euler: not yet
Bleu Oleander: important to read I think
ElanVitalo Resident continues to look for line.
Aphrodite Macbain: not yet Bleu
Aphrodite Macbain: what did he say?
ElanVitalo Resident: I've not yet read it.
Bleu Oleander: he's releasing all the land by July 1st or sooner
Bruce Mowbray looks for Storm's message....
Bleu Oleander: taking all his builds
Bleu Oleander: and not interested in building new
Bleu Oleander: he's giving the land away if anyone wants it
Daedalus687 Resident: For a price
Bleu Oleander: but would like to do so soon
Bleu Oleander: no cost
Bleu Oleander: must be a premium member though
Aphrodite Macbain: It would be sad to lose the molecule, the dome and the pavilion...
Bleu Oleander: so the pavilion will be gone
Daedalus687 Resident: No cost would be associated at all?
Aphrodite Macbain: sigh
Bleu Oleander: all going not negotiable
Aphrodite Macbain: :/
Wol Euler: so we lose the playgoda
Xirana Oximoxi: wow
Bleu Oleander: you need to pay tier
Bleu Oleander: yes
Daedalus687 Resident: Which is what?
Bleu Oleander: depends on the size
Wol Euler: this, where we sit.
Bleu Oleander: right
Bleu Oleander: all going
Bleu Oleander: and not for sale
Catrinamonblue Resident: but home is where the heart is, we can find others places to sit :)
Bleu Oleander: so we should decide soon
Daedalus687 Resident: Well, I suggest a free-er platform
Wol Euler: for example?
ElanVitalo Resident listens carefully . . .
Daedalus687 Resident: that's the trouble
Wol Euler: well, feel free to offer concrete suggestions as soon as you have them :)
Daedalus687 Resident: lol
Aphrodite Macbain: what do you mean a free-er platform?
Bleu Oleander: someone else pays :)
Daedalus687 Resident: Wol Euler is jaded enough to know no such place exists
ElanVitalo Resident: Oh! You meant "free" as in no cost, rather than "free" as in liberated?
Bleu Oleander: there are many nice already built environments where we could meet for free
Wol Euler: on the contrary, I am conscious of my limitations and would be delighted to hear of a place unknown to me!
Wol Euler: please, delight and inform me
Daedalus687 Resident: lol
Aphrodite Macbain: yes, does anyone have suggestions?
Daedalus687 Resident: I apologize for my insolence
Aphrodite Macbain: were you being insolent?
Wol Euler: oh dear :) I apologize for seeming to find you insolent, that wasn't my intention
Wol Euler: hello zen
ElanVitalo Resident looks around for insolence... sees none.
Daedalus687 Resident: lol
Xirana Oximoxi: hello Zen! :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Zen
Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi Zen :)
ElanVitalo Resident: Sees Zen instead!
ElanVitalo Resident: Heya, Zen!
Xirana Oximoxi: bonsoir :)
Bleu Oleander: hi Zen
Zen Arado: Hi all
Bleu Oleander: this property will be released if none of us wants it
Daedalus687 Resident: It's a matter of the final cost
Aphrodite Macbain: Zen we are talking about alternates to meeting in Bieup
Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Zen.
Daedalus687 Resident: What in USD a month does one pay
Bleu Oleander: Zen, did you read Storm's email?
Zen Arado: yes Bleu
Bleu Oleander: ok good
Bleu Oleander: what do you think?
Zen Arado: can use my 512 Sq M if you want
Daedalus687 Resident: I suppose the rest beyond this pavilion is superfluous really
Bleu Oleander: what if we all took a small piece?
Zen Arado: I already said that to OF group
Aphrodite Macbain: yes
Aphrodite Macbain: all we would need to build is a new meeting place
Xirana Oximoxi: to have a place to meet is easy...more complicated is if we want to keep the Museum and other buildings...
Zen Arado: yes
Daedalus687 Resident: Lol, I enjoy that floating isle above us
Bleu Oleander: Storm is taking all the builds
Bleu Oleander: none of his builds will remain
Aphrodite Macbain: well we have till July, no?
Bleu Oleander: he suggested we organize soon
Aphrodite Macbain: I am thinking about the poetry bash on March 30
Bleu Oleander: it will save those still paying for it some money
Wol Euler: http://community.secondlife.com/t5/E...nd/ta-p/700079 <--- about group-owned land (which we are now and may continue to be)
Daedalus687 Resident: What is the realistic amount people would have to pay per month to keep this space available
Aphrodite Macbain tries to imagine a world without PaB
Zen Arado: I gave up all but free land with Premium account
Zen Arado: never had any need of more really
Aphrodite Macbain: how much is a premium account?
Bleu Oleander: 72/year
Aphrodite Macbain: 72$?
Aphrodite Macbain: not much
Bleu Oleander: 6/mo and they give you L$300/mo so really $2/mo
Wol Euler: 86US$ for Europeans because of VAT
Zen Arado: yes
Aphrodite Macbain: :-(
Bleu Oleander: you can pay monthly or quarterly too but that's more
Zen Arado: Your current plan: Premium Annual Your billing rate: USD 86.40 Annual* Your current status: Active Next bill date: Tuesday, 12-08-2015 Country of Residence: united kingdom Change Subject to VAT: Yes
Daedalus687 Resident: I suppose these are the challenges offered by the Second life platform, whose No.1 goal is profit
Bleu Oleander: https://secondlife.com/land/pricing.php
Wol Euler: that includes 512 sq m of land, which if donated to the group is worth 563 sq m
Aphrodite Macbain: If the group is going to continue as a group, we will need at the very least a place to meet regularly.
Zen Arado: but you get LL$ 300 back each month
Aphrodite Macbain: we all don't need to have a premium account
Zen Arado: as well
Daedalus687 Resident: Is anyone familiar with Active Worlds?
Wol Euler: and *that* is worth 128 prims
Aphrodite Macbain: Active Worlds?
Zen Arado: nope
Wol Euler: no
Xirana Oximoxi: me either
Bruce Mowbray what is Active Worlds, Daedalus?
Aphrodite Macbain: please enlighten us :-)
Daedalus687 Resident: It is a free platform that's been round for some 18 years
ElanVitalo Resident: Wow!
Aphrodite Macbain: Is it like SL?
Daedalus687 Resident: It is a graphical downgrade
Daedalus687 Resident: I have visited a museum in it
Daedalus687 Resident: it does seem a viable platform
Bruce Mowbray: https://www.activeworlds.com/web/index.php
Daedalus687 Resident: However some work would be required to have a space
Zen Arado: problem with these other platforms...there's nobody there
Aphrodite Macbain: oh?
Daedalus687 Resident: Yes
Aphrodite Macbain: wonder why
Bleu Oleander: not as good as SL
Daedalus687 Resident: Graphically uninteresting
Daedalus687 Resident: right
Daedalus687 Resident: but if you want good, one must pay USD
Bleu Oleander: and you can't take all your stuff most of the time
Aphrodite Macbain: yes- the quality of SL seems to be better than any other worlds I've visited
Wol Euler: personally I would strongly oppose leaving SL, for all those reasons
Zen Arado: Worldz usually has about 300 persons compared to 50,000 in SL
Catrinamonblue Resident: Cat's typist would really miss Cat...
Wol Euler: indeed, as I would miss being Wol

Aphrodite Macbain: smiles at Cat
Aphrodite Macbain: and at Wol

Daedalus687 Resident: Well then, I would suggest a pool
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Daedalus687 Resident: We would have to be committed to paying a flat amount communitarily
Bleu Oleander: I did become "Bleu" in another world but not the same
Daedalus687 Resident: I am committed to up to 20 USD a month
Bleu Oleander: wouldn't let me bring all my stuff lol
Xirana Oximoxi: I agree that in other worlds there are usually very few people...I will not leave SL, I have already an account in Metropolis, InWorldz...and I prefer here :)
Aphrodite Macbain: I am reluctant to commit that much $. I already pay rent for my place in Italy :-)
Wol Euler agrees with Xir
Bleu Oleander: me too :)
Daedalus687 Resident: Well, I suppose a minimum amount reasonable for one member
Bleu Oleander: is there a space in Italy where we could meet?
Aphrodite Macbain: My place :-)
Aphrodite Macbain: I have a deck overlooking the Bay of Naples
Bruce Mowbray: Ahhh!
Aphrodite Macbain: you are all welcome
Bleu Oleander: nice, serve wine?

Aphrodite Macbain: of course- Prosecco!
Zen Arado: hope Vesuvius doesn't erupt
Zen Arado: :)
Wol Euler: could we all meet there? is it big enough?
Bruce Mowbray: Vesuvius in the background?
Xirana Oximoxi: I have my studio too... and it's very cheap to rent a plot and build some nice place :)
Bleu Oleander: cool
Aphrodite Macbain: yes it could fit a pavilion-size space
Zen Arado: pyroclastic flow?
Catrinamonblue Resident: as I understand things it's not so much a matter of finding a place, we have several to choose from, but rather settling down and choosing it.
Zen Arado: heheh
Aphrodite Macbain: indeed Cat
Daedalus687 Resident: The idea of a downgrade actually sounds intriguing! lol
Bleu Oleander: are we thinking that we don't want this land?
Aphrodite Macbain: I wonder whether we would be as accessible to wandering avis as we are here
Wol Euler: you could find that out for us, Aph :) also ask your neighbours whether they'd mind us all trouping past all the time
Bleu Oleander: rather than hold it until July 1st we should release it if we don't want it
Aphrodite Macbain: Certainly not all of it Bleu; can we not keep 64 ms square of it?
Daedalus687 Resident: Well, I can remember first discovering this place
Bleu Oleander: someone needs to take it over
Bleu Oleander: or organize a group
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Bleu Oleander: but the pavilion will be gone
Wol Euler: taking over would not be the problem, and we have a group already
Aphrodite Macbain: can it not be divided up into smaller sections?
Bleu Oleander: so a blank slate
Wol Euler: Storm says he's willing to subdivide as we wish
Bleu Oleander: members of the group need to donate tier so we can buy it
Aphrodite Macbain: ah
Daedalus687 Resident: How much?
Aphrodite Macbain: so we could rent a space large enough to fit a pavilion?
Wol Euler: there is no benefit in having the meeting place extend across several parcels, on the contrary that makes building much more complex
Bleu Oleander: Storm will give the land in any sizes
Wol Euler: better if we have a single piece of land to build on
Aphrodite Macbain: nods
Aphrodite Macbain: a smaller piece of land
Daedalus687 Resident: This existing land?
Daedalus687 Resident: downsized?
Daedalus687 Resident: or another altogether
Aphrodite Macbain: that's what I'm wondering
Wol Euler: it has the advantage of coming to us free, if we do stay here
Bleu Oleander: yes this land
Aphrodite Macbain: hmmm
Wol Euler: otherwise we have to buy, an additional and not insignificant cost
Bleu Oleander: right
Daedalus687 Resident: Well, for me personally, just tell me how much, and ill say if its too much cost to me
Aphrodite Macbain: why don't we ask Storm whether we could keep the land that the pavilion sits on?
Daedalus687 Resident: I appreciate this place
Wol Euler: well, the price depends on how many of us there are and how much land we need
Catrinamonblue Resident: we need a guardian session to hash things out, there are so many different ideas and directions floating around now I'm not sure which way to jump :-p
ElanVitalo Resident: :)
Bleu Oleander: Aph, we can do that ... someone needs to own it either personally or as a group
Aphrodite Macbain: Yes I see Bleu
Bleu Oleander: I think its best by email
Aphrodite Macbain: I will make sure this log is recorded and referred to for the Guardian meeting
Bleu Oleander: hard to follow when everyone is talking at once
Catrinamonblue Resident: or by email... that works too but sometimes takes more time
Aphrodite Macbain: nods
Wol Euler: okay, as an example, Aph mentioned 64 x 64 metres, 4096 sq m. That has an allowance of 940 prims, which is more than enough to build something like this playgoda. That costs US$25 per month. Say US$5 each for five people.
Wol Euler: or US$2.50 each for ten people
Aphrodite Macbain: Perfect
ElanVitalo Resident: agrees with Aph.
Zen Arado: something like that would be better I think
Daedalus687 Resident: I am most certainly committed
Aphrodite Macbain: We mainly need a place to meet and talk
Bleu Oleander: but people donating tier have to be premium members I think
Catrinamonblue Resident: only one Bleu from what I understand
Wol Euler: well, just a moment
Bleu Oleander: well that one would have to own 4096 tier to give
Wol Euler: we only need one premium member. The rest could pay that person and s/he would make the entire donation
Daedalus687 Resident: Aye
Bleu Oleander: right
Aphrodite Macbain: Sounds good
ElanVitalo Resident: cool.
Aphrodite Macbain: Anyone want to volunteer?
Xirana Oximoxi: yes..it sounds good :)
Wol Euler: if there are more premium members, and they are not already using their land allowance, then that reduces the combined group cost.
Aphrodite Macbain: Like you and Paradise Wol?
Xirana Oximoxi: I am not a premium member
Bleu Oleander: so premium members can donate their free 512
Daedalus687 Resident: Maybe we are putting the horse before the cart?
Wol Euler: except that I *am* using my allowance on my land in Mugunghwa :)
Aphrodite Macbain: ah ok
Aphrodite Macbain: wonders which horse and which cart
Zen Arado: it's nice to have a little private pace of one's own too
Zen Arado: place
Aphrodite Macbain: yes- I love my little cabin but I also have a place in Italy
Daedalus687 Resident: Me, personally, I log in to Second Life to find this place here, available to all known.
Daedalus687 Resident: If I did not find this place, I don't know what purpose second life would have for me
Bleu Oleander: well everything will be cleared off here
Wol Euler smiles.
Bleu Oleander: and we will have to build new
Wol Euler nods.
Aphrodite Macbain: so... can we agree that we would be happy with a space 64x64 m? in Bieup?
ElanVitalo Resident nods, agrees.
Xirana Oximoxi: yes:)
Aphrodite Macbain: upon which a place can be built
Xirana Oximoxi: we will be more close to each other :))
Aphrodite Macbain: we may need more cushions from time to time
Aphrodite Macbain: imagines a poetry reading could happen in a space like this
Daedalus687 Resident: Bruce, any thoughts?
Bruce Mowbray: Nope, just listening. Taking it all in.
Wol Euler: if you look at your mini-map, the yellow circle of the chat radius covers almost exactly 64x64
Aphrodite Macbain: nods
Daedalus687 Resident: One must have some thoughts.
Daedalus687 Resident: I invite yours
Aphrodite Macbain: we could keep the space
Aphrodite Macbain: Whoever owns the sim should be committed to being around for a while
Bruce Mowbray: Yellow circle diameter looks sufficient.
Wol Euler: the group would own it, we would just donate tier to the group
Bleu Oleander: Storm said in his email that he was not interested in building for the new group
Aphrodite Macbain: oh - I thought an individual would pay for it
Aphrodite Macbain: and we would each pay that individual
Zen Arado: but we share the cost
Wol Euler: people need to pay money, yes, but the land would be held by the group because that gives a 10% bonus
Aphrodite Macbain: exactly
Bleu Oleander: who would have "owner" rights?
Aphrodite Macbain: that's what I am asking
Wol Euler: anyone to whom we assign them,. bleu
Aphrodite Macbain: who can commit?
Bleu Oleander: would the group need to be structured differently?
Bleu Oleander: well only current owner can do that?
Xirana Oximoxi: that's sad...I love all his buildings..they are all very nice
Wol Euler: yes, I will miss it very much
Aphrodite Macbain: me too, cries and sniffles
Bruce Mowbray hands hanki to Aph.

Daedalus687 Resident: So long as the individual doesn't inflate the donate amount to make a buck
Wol Euler: I think we can assume that won't happen, Daedalus
Zen Arado: the land costs are on LL website
Bruce Mowbray: also, hanky.
Aphrodite Macbain: thanks Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: yw.
Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
Bleu Oleander: current group owners are Storm and Pema
Aphrodite Macbain: OK let's discuss this more at our Guardian meeting...
Daedalus687 Resident: If I am perfectly honest, I don't think those two I satisfied with the level of growth
Aphrodite Macbain: I have to return to RL
Daedalus687 Resident: :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: Bye Aph
ElanVitalo Resident: Bye, and thank you, Aph.
Aphrodite Macbain: thanks everyone.
Wol Euler: as do I
Bleu Oleander: ok bye all
Bruce Mowbray: Bye, everyone.
Wol Euler: goodnight all, thank you
Xirana Oximoxi: bye Aph! take care:)
Bleu Oleander: take care
Wol Euler: take care
Xirana Oximoxi: I also go; ..good night all :)
Aphrodite Macbain: we moved beyond death to beyond PaB
Aphrodite Macbain: and survived
Zen Arado: nite all
Aphrodite Macbain: bye everyone
Daedalus687 Resident: lol
Bruce Mowbray: Bye for now, Daedalus!