2015.07.24 13:00 - 200 Days with Camels and a Dog

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Yaku!

     


    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Yaku!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey aph!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: long time no see
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes. I know!
    Aphrodite Macbain: I'm rarely in SL these days
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i am not so often here either

    Aphrodite Macbain: how are you and the family?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: very well, started vacation yesterday
    Aphrodite Macbain: are you going to travel?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, with the car to germany
    Aphrodite Macbain: to visit family?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: well for me 1100km is a lot but talking to canadians or ppl from the usa makes it sound so short
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes
    Yakuzza Lethecus: mainly
    Aphrodite Macbain: It's still a lot

    Aphrodite Macbain: I hope you take the small roads and explore....
    Yakuzza Lethecus: nah, main road overnight
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but i think when our son remembers more things
    Yakuzza Lethecus: next year
    Aphrodite Macbain: autobahn all the way :-)
    Aphrodite Macbain: He must be 2 now!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: not exactly, sweden only allowes up to 130km/h
    Yakuzza Lethecus: same as danmark
    Yakuzza Lethecus: 1 3/4
    Aphrodite Macbain: here the limit is 120 km/h
    Yakuzza Lethecus: he talks a bit and starts singing
    Aphrodite Macbain: aww

    --BELL--

    Aphrodite Macbain: Do you take turns looking after him?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ah, from the first time we learned its better to just sit with him
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so yes
    Aphrodite Macbain: and teach him songs.....
    Aphrodite Macbain: do you have a photo?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: second
    Aphrodite Macbain: k

    [gorgeous!]


    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Aph, Yaku
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Eliza!
    Eliza Madrigal: beautiful dress, Aph. Hope you aren't sweltering near this fire!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey eliza
    Aphrodite Macbain: smiles
    Aphrodite Macbain: Thank you.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Finally it's raining here
    Eliza Madrigal: nice
    Eliza Madrigal: we've had little storms daily for about a week - love it
    Aphrodite Macbain: so my only concern is the virtual fire
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: the fire sounds very cozy
    Eliza Madrigal: oh yes, you'd had major fires there before right?
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes
    Aphrodite Macbain: still some burning
    Eliza Madrigal: :(


    Yakuzza Lethecus: weren´t there fires around miami too ?
    Aphrodite Macbain: I dont know- the whole west coast of the US and Canada had a drought
    Eliza Madrigal: we usually have them but summer weather pattern seems to be good this year
    Aphrodite Macbain: nods
    Eliza Madrigal: scary on the west coast. Ours rarely reach home areas etc


    Aphrodite Macbain: hard to know what is climate change caused by humans and which is change called by nature

    Eliza Madrigal: can only be known in retrospect years down the road
    Aphrodite Macbain: nods
    Eliza Madrigal: but seems pretty obvious we are not helping
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: our water use is severely restructured atm


    Aphrodite Macbain:How is it going with the retreat Eliza.
    Aphrodite Macbain: I'm still trying to see if I have an intent or focus
    Eliza Madrigal: everyone rethinking lawns and such
    Eliza Madrigal: nothing to go really :)
    Eliza Madrigal: I've intentionally kept it vague and simple
    Aphrodite Macbain: nods
    Eliza Madrigal: because I think that's the general feeling...
    Eliza Madrigal: that RLs are busy and full now...
    Aphrodite Macbain: nods
    Eliza Madrigal: so no pressure :)
    Eliza Madrigal: just a time to gather and reflect a little


    Yakuzza Lethecus: you have the sl retreat right now ?
    Eliza Madrigal: ok to attend just one or two sessions too, Aph
    Aphrodite Macbain: It feels like we are all very busy in RL now. Not sure if it's summer or a trend
    Eliza Madrigal: next Thurs to Sat, Yaku
    Aphrodite Macbain: Discussion is also on the wiki
    Aphrodite Macbain: now
    Eliza Madrigal: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: links come through emails
    Eliza Madrigal: will go on until Aug 4, I believe

    Aphrodite Macbain: I should take a peek. It might motivate me
    Eliza Madrigal: please do. varied check ins

    Eliza Madrigal: the group rhythms are different for sure, in a way that prob won't go back...
    Eliza Madrigal: just like water rations and climate change
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: I'm busy studying Italian and painting in RL. Not sure how that will influence my retreat intentions
    Eliza Madrigal: oh, wonderful
    Eliza Madrigal: how is your Italian? I thought for sure you were already fluent
    Aphrodite Macbain: la lingua italiana e bellissima!
    Eliza Madrigal: :))

    Yakuzza Lethecus: are you still teaching ?

    --BELL--

    Aphrodite Macbain: No- I have a bad memory so I need to keep studying. Right now I'm taking a conversation course. Yes but not in the summer Yaku. I start again in the fall.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Yaku's off on a drive to Germany Eliza....with 1.5 yr old son in tow
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hehe you need a houseswap for a year with someone in italy
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes!
    Aphrodite Macbain: I just have to figure out what to do with 2 cats...
    Eliza Madrigal: nice, Yaku! Love road trips...am itching for one myself
    Eliza Madrigal: they may be OK with cats
    Eliza Madrigal: part of their adventure
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-)

    Yakuzza Lethecus: hehe, i just try to get it over with, your approach sounds more inspirational :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: not sure if they would like to travel and whether they would be allowed in (quarantine)
    Eliza Madrigal: a friend came to spend some days in an apartment here last year, and had to take care of 5 cats in little place, some of which lived in cabinets etc. - all high needs - was pretty funny
    Aphrodite Macbain: I needto find someone to move into my place for a year.
    Eliza Madrigal: not to her, but to me :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: 5 cats! yikes!
    Eliza Madrigal: and some didn't like each other
    Eliza Madrigal giggles thinking about it
    Aphrodite Macbain: my cats fight too
    Aphrodite Macbain: mother and son
    Eliza Madrigal: surprising

    Aphrodite Macbain: I often wonder what the neighbours think of the squaking racket
    Aphrodite Macbain: she screetches and he moans
    Eliza Madrigal: better than barking or crying babies, they probably feel :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
    Aphrodite Macbain: If you went on a car trip, would you go with your children?
    Eliza Madrigal: oh, sure. Have done many times
    Eliza Madrigal: but next time prob only bringing son and puppy
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
    Aphrodite Macbain: nice
    Aphrodite Macbain: regular pit stops for both....
    Eliza Madrigal: I have enough family acquaintances now to make it to N Carolina at least
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Is that a very long drive?
    Eliza Madrigal: not really
    Eliza Madrigal: a day if just me [actually a day to SC, bit more to NC]
    Aphrodite Macbain: perfect
    Eliza Madrigal: but with others prob 2-3
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey aga
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Aggers :)
    Eliza Madrigal: I'd love to go into Canada again though
    Agatha Macbeth: Evening all


    Aphrodite Macbain: I suggested to Yaku that he take all the small roads....but he is bound to taking the autobahn freeway
    Agatha Macbeth: Who's going to Canada?
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Qt :)
    Qt Core: Hi all
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Aggers, Qt
    Eliza Madrigal: I've never spent time on west coast aside from small jaunts to california
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it will be raining all day and i like to lieave in the afternoon and arriving for breakfast
    Agatha Macbeth: Buona sera Qt
    Aphrodite Macbain: Nobody I know Aggers :-(
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey qt
    Aphrodite Macbain: fee free to visit any time
    Eliza Madrigal: you are okay driving all night, Yaku?
    Agatha Macbeth: No retreats there then?
    Eliza Madrigal: Hey Qt :))
    Yakuzza Lethecus: evelyn have the day
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i through the night
    Eliza Madrigal: ahh
    Aphrodite Macbain: retreats in Canada?
    Aphrodite Macbain: why not?
    Agatha Macbeth: Could take the huskies
    Eliza Madrigal: would be nice, sigh :) but back to previous notion that we can't 'go back to way things were'
    Aphrodite Macbain: tho you are not allowed to have camp fires atm


    Agatha Macbeth: Yes I hope you can breathe OK now
    Eliza Madrigal: breathing is good :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: It helps
    Agatha Macbeth: Well it helps
    Agatha Macbeth: Snap
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: snap
    Aphrodite Macbain: the rain also helps


    Agatha Macbeth: Thought Australia got bush fires not Canada
    Aphrodite Macbain: we get fires every summer. This is the worst so far though
    Agatha Macbeth: Dear me
    Aphrodite Macbain toasts her hot dog on the fire
    Agatha Macbeth: Hope Wol's family are alright
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Yakuzza Lethecus: she wasn´t here for 2 weeks
    Eliza Madrigal: prob would have mentioned if that area was in danger zone
    Aphrodite Macbain: No fires in their neck of the woods Aggers
    Agatha Macbeth: Good
    Agatha Macbeth: Weather eh
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
    Agatha Macbeth: Hasn't stopped raining here all day
    Aphrodite Macbain: Concrete and brick don't burn
    Agatha Macbeth: Not very well no
    Agatha Macbeth: Wolves can't blow them down either
    Aphrodite Macbain: lol
    Eliza Madrigal: love days like that, if you don't need to drive a lot. I think I'd do well in England or Washington State
    Agatha Macbeth: Hm
    Eliza Madrigal has a gloomy disposition maybe
    Aphrodite Macbain: or Vancouver in the winter...
    Agatha Macbeth: Interesting combination
    Eliza Madrigal: haha
    Eliza Madrigal: both rainy climates, Aggers
    Aphrodite Macbain: Rainy days demand less of you.
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh j'comprends
    Aphrodite Macbain: You dont feel like you should be doing something outside
    Agatha Macbeth: Rainy day women
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Aphrodite Macbain: smiles


    --BELL--


    Qt Core: i'd like that, a rainy place, but no snow
    Eliza Madrigal: some kind of permission to be quieter and slower, turn inward a bit
    Aphrodite Macbain: It rarely goes below freezing here
    Agatha Macbeth: In-house retreat
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: summer is so much pressure... supposed to be having fun fun fun all the time
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: darn fun
    Eliza Madrigal: hahah
    Qt Core: in summer i prefer having fan fan fan
    Eliza Madrigal: :)) yes
    Agatha Macbeth: You should move to the Alps Qt
    Aphrodite Macbain: In Vancouver, sunny days are usually very rare for 9 months of the year
    Eliza Madrigal: Vancouver it is then
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: About the same here
    Aphrodite Macbain: so people go out in hoards as soon as the sun appears
    Aphrodite Macbain: nods
    Aphrodite Macbain: I gather it's like that in Sweden too, no Yaku?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: oh yes, especially this summer
    Eliza Madrigal: I enjoy seeing that in other places... right after winter, parks packed with people and activity, everything beginning to bloom and mass appreciation
    Yakuzza Lethecus: we haven't had much
    Agatha Macbeth ponders mass appreciation
    Yakuzza Lethecus: germany is often sunny and hot on the weathermap but we get 20 degrees and rain
    Aphrodite Macbain: mass smiling
    Agatha Macbeth: Mass ratio
    Eliza Madrigal smiles in solidarity
    Yakuzza Lethecus: just read somewhere we had the hottest summer in history, NOT HERE
    Qt Core: double that for northern italy, Yaku ;-)
    Aphrodite Macbain: your meteorologists are optimists
    Eliza Madrigal: not an exact science after all ;-)
    Eliza Madrigal: wiggle room
    Agatha Macbeth: You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows
    Aphrodite Macbain chews on her hot dog
    Aphrodite Macbain: and thinks about the weather
    Eliza Madrigal looks for her hot dog... too quiet atm, brb
    Agatha Macbeth: He's probably on the bed asleep
    Aphrodite Macbain: lol
    Eliza Madrigal: close, at foot of the sofa. he wouldn't nap with me earlier was too hyper and kept leaping at my face
    Agatha Macbeth: He was or you were?


    Aphrodite Macbain: has anyone seen the movie Tracks?
    Eliza Madrigal: :) he was
    Aphrodite Macbain: about a woman who walked across Australia
    Eliza Madrigal: no, haven't heard of it...
    Agatha Macbeth: By George she's got it
    Aphrodite Macbain: with camels
    Agatha Macbeth: Wasn't Mira was it?
    Eliza Madrigal: oh, wow
    Aphrodite Macbain: he he I dont think so!
    Eliza Madrigal: wonder if on netflix
    Aphrodite Macbain: It's a veryinspiring film
    Aphrodite Macbain: Came out last year
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes- I watched it on Netflix last night
    Agatha Macbeth: You old netflicker you
    Eliza Madrigal: excellent, have something for the weekend


    Aphrodite Macbain: I was thinking about the relationship with her dog...
    Aphrodite Macbain: so loving and close
    Aphrodite Macbain: although her camels were pretty nice too
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Aphrodite Macbain: she walked for about 200 days
    Aphrodite Macbain: alone
    Aphrodite Macbain: with camels and dog
    Agatha Macbeth: You can do that in Australia
    Aphrodite Macbain: and the ocasional aborigine for guidance through sacred territory
    Agatha Macbeth: Plenty of space
    Eliza Madrigal: ooh
    Aphrodite Macbain: nods
    Aphrodite Macbain: hot, dry space


    Agatha Macbeth: The Dreamtime
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Aphrodite Macbain: nods
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Aphrodite Macbain: they locate themselves through dreamlines....
    Aphrodite Macbain: I dont quite understand how it works
    Aphrodite Macbain: lol Aggers    [Aggers takes out didjeridoo (sp?)]
    Aphrodite Macbain: she needed one of those
    Agatha Macbeth: You'll never guess who gave me this :P
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: I attended a talk about it once, remember being fascinated but the content disappeared
    Eliza Madrigal: Um, Sunshine?
    Agatha Macbeth: YESSS!
    Eliza Madrigal: :) ::smacks head:::
    Aphrodite Macbain: content disappeared?
    Agatha Macbeth: Surprise surprise
    Aphrodite Macbain: lol
    Eliza Madrigal: yes I've forgotten almost everything about it
    Aphrodite Macbain: "those were the days"
    Agatha Macbeth: Makes a change from a vuvu

    Eliza Madrigal: I heard about a lucid dreaming short film too: https://vimeo.com/57240767
    Eliza Madrigal: haven't seen it yet though
    Yakuzza Lethecus: onigokko
    Yakuzza Lethecus: stop
    Agatha Macbeth: Mick might like it
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh
    Eliza Madrigal: caught without my oni
    Eliza Madrigal: nice drumbeat Aph
    Agatha Macbeth: onigokko
    Aphrodite Macbain: onigokko
    Aphrodite Macbain: whew that fire is hot!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: we are fast enogh
    Agatha Macbeth: Haven't done this for ages
    Aphrodite Macbain: stop
    Agatha Macbeth: stop
    Aphrodite Macbain: laughs at Aggers
    Agatha Macbeth: Um
    Agatha Macbeth: STOP
    Aphrodite Macbain: and her high heels
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh man
    Aphrodite Macbain: stop
    Eliza Madrigal: red shoes
    Aphrodite Macbain: uh oh
    Aphrodite Macbain: stop animating me
    Agatha Macbeth: Ani mate
    Aphrodite Macbain: under Me/Movement
    Aphrodite Macbain: whew
    Agatha Macbeth: It's different in FS

    Yakuzza Lethecus: good night everyone
    Aphrodite Macbain: nite Yaku!!
    Agatha Macbeth: Schlaf gut Yak

    --BELL--

    Qt Core: 'night yaku
    Agatha Macbeth: Drive safely
    Eliza Madrigal: okay Yaku
    Aphrodite Macbain: great to see you again. Hi to Evelyn
    Eliza Madrigal: yes be safe!
    Agatha Macbeth: Hm
    Agatha Macbeth pokes Liz
    Aphrodite Macbain eats her last weenie and throws her stick into the cauldron
    Eliza Madrigal: Meep Meep ;P :p:P :p :P
    Agatha Macbeth: 0.0
    Agatha Macbeth: Meep Meep ;P :p:P :p :P
    Aphrodite Macbain: lol
    Aphrodite Macbain goodbye everyone
    Agatha Macbeth: Need to be careful of those weenies
    Agatha Macbeth: TC Aphie
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Qt Core: bye Aph
    Agatha Macbeth: Breathe well
    Eliza Madrigal: ah beautiful hair, also
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes
    Eliza Madrigal waves

    Agatha Macbeth: Any more retreaters yet?
    Eliza Madrigal shakes head
    Eliza Madrigal: aph may join but not sure
    Qt Core: i need sleep for a very tiring saturday ahead, bye Aga, Eliza
    Agatha Macbeth: You'll likely get a mad rush
    Eliza Madrigal: Ok Qt, rest well
    Agatha Macbeth: TC Qt
    Eliza Madrigal: maybe so, Agatha
    Eliza Madrigal: I've decided to be content with whatever happens
    Eliza Madrigal: can't please everyone :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Wol usually takes part no?
    Eliza Madrigal: usually, but haven't heard from her yet
    Eliza Madrigal: and Eos will come

    Agatha Macbeth: What days is it on?
    Eliza Madrigal: Thurs-Sat
    Eliza Madrigal: with wiki portion going on now

    Agatha Macbeth: Saturday is always a problem for me
    Eliza Madrigal: only meeting once a day this time, to keep it unburdensome
    Eliza Madrigal: it would be okay not to come one day
    Agatha Macbeth: Good idea
    Eliza Madrigal: just say so :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Ok then I will
    Agatha Macbeth: What times?
    Eliza Madrigal: yay, thanks
    Eliza Madrigal: just 2pm
    Eliza Madrigal: each day
    Agatha Macbeth: Sounds good
    Agatha Macbeth: So straight after Mick's dreams then

    Eliza Madrigal: I've emailed Darren to see if he would like to lead a meditation one day
    Eliza Madrigal: yes
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Eliza Madrigal: sl retreats are admittedly an odd idea
    Eliza Madrigal: but I've found them beneficial
    Agatha Macbeth: Last year's I liked

    Eliza Madrigal: like your tag, btw!
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes, it's Sun's resi tag
    Eliza Madrigal: lovely
    Agatha Macbeth: I suggested she give us a special one :p
    Eliza Madrigal: oh really, haha
    Eliza Madrigal: smart though. do you have special powers?
    Agatha Macbeth: Not that I know of
    Agatha Macbeth: Unless you count charm and eloquence :p
    Eliza Madrigal grins
    Eliza Madrigal: I do
    Agatha Macbeth: It's a dog's life
    Eliza Madrigal: not sure that applies to my dog... living pretty well :))
    Agatha Macbeth: Or you live it for him ;-)

    Eliza Madrigal: I have to admit that the dog was a sneaky move on my part
    Agatha Macbeth: Hm, how so?
    Eliza Madrigal: I'm able to get my son to go all kinds of places and do things he might scoff at, for and with the dog
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah
    Agatha Macbeth: Good thinking Moriarty
    Eliza Madrigal: I love to hear him play with George, and be unserious for long stretches
    Agatha Macbeth: You mean he can be serious? Erk
    Eliza Madrigal: feels like home again
    Agatha Macbeth: Home sweet home
    Eliza Madrigal: :) he is sarcastic and joking... but usually seriously :P
    Agatha Macbeth: Hm
    Agatha Macbeth ponders that
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Is he more like you or father?
    Eliza Madrigal: hard to say
    Eliza Madrigal: I feel that he is more like me in general but has some pessimism that is more like his dad
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah
    Eliza Madrigal: his dad projects a lot of "life is out to get me"
    Agatha Macbeth: Know how he feels sometimes
    Eliza Madrigal: and A isn't like that but he does feel the weight of "why is the world like this?!?!"
    Agatha Macbeth: Yeh
    Eliza Madrigal: he sees a bit too clearly sometimes :)

    --BELL--

    Agatha Macbeth: Yes, that can be a problem
    Eliza Madrigal: but I think that's different than making war with everything
    Eliza Madrigal: a line in You've Got Mail (film): "she makes coffee nervous" - that is like his dad, hah

    Agatha Macbeth: Yes better to make war selectively :p
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Eliza Madrigal: count the cost beforehand, etc.....
    Agatha Macbeth: Colateral damage
    Eliza Madrigal: not everything can be a big damn deal you know :)
    Agatha Macbeth: But it helps
    Eliza Madrigal laughs
    Eliza Madrigal: you don't seem that way at all
    Eliza Madrigal: maybe reformed?
    Agatha Macbeth: Moi?
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Agatha Macbeth: I just blame it all on religion
    Eliza Madrigal: how so
    Agatha Macbeth: I can always say being Catholic makes you like this :p
    Eliza Madrigal grins
    Agatha Macbeth: YOU SINNAH :p
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Eliza Madrigal: Protestantism is the same in some lines, but more confusing
    Agatha Macbeth: One can but imagine
    Eliza Madrigal: never quite sure where the lines are
    Agatha Macbeth: Or the coach's bench
    Eliza Madrigal nods

    Eliza Madrigal: an article today said that 35% of US is now categorized "none"
    Agatha Macbeth: None what?
    Eliza Madrigal: when asked what religion they identify with
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah
    Eliza Madrigal: world is changing fast



    Agatha Macbeth: Most peoples' religion seems to be ME these days
    Eliza Madrigal: that's the worry I guess
    Agatha Macbeth: Which if there is no I can be a problem



    Eliza Madrigal: but if people continue to seek meaning they may do so in work for others...
    Eliza Madrigal: hahaha
    Eliza Madrigal: true that
    Agatha Macbeth: 'Don't say we'
    Eliza Madrigal: we is a big group ptsd trigger
    Eliza Madrigal laughs
    Agatha Macbeth: Hm
    Eliza Madrigal: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0a9b948535f3a
    Agatha Macbeth: Crazy boy Dash
    Eliza Madrigal: the article (for reference) about community without religion
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Eliza Madrigal: ::stops to wish him well:::

    Agatha Macbeth: A country-wide breakdown of that would be interesting
    Eliza Madrigal: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: not all countries experience religion the same anyway
    Agatha Macbeth: See where those 35% are
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh of course not
    Agatha Macbeth: For much of the third world it is still part of everyday life
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Eliza Madrigal: and the idea of one god who has the one playbook is strange to many
    Agatha Macbeth: Mm
    Eliza Madrigal: if not taken literally, I think religion is really beautiful
    Agatha Macbeth: Akhenaten started that :p
    Eliza Madrigal smiles, so they say
    Eliza Madrigal: he was about 'me' perhaps :P
    Agatha Macbeth: Probably not, they didn't have that kind of mentality then
    Eliza Madrigal: systems of rulership and control were pretty important though
    Eliza Madrigal: getting everyone on board with this or that somehow
    Eliza Madrigal: grand visions

    Agatha Macbeth: Well the Pharaoh was the go-between for the god(s) and the people
    Agatha Macbeth: More like a pope than a ruler
    Eliza Madrigal: and moses in the pharaoh model?
    Agatha Macbeth: Tho that changed a lot post-Hyksos
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh Moses...there's a whole book on it's own
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: making the link
    Agatha Macbeth: Whole library in fact
    Agatha Macbeth: And Aaron
    Eliza Madrigal: looking at patterns

    Agatha Macbeth: And I'm pretty sure Miriam had a lot more to do with things than we're told
    Eliza Madrigal: would be great to be told
    Agatha Macbeth: Only unearthing documents and artifacts can tell us sadly...
    Agatha Macbeth: So many vested interests have re-written history
    Eliza Madrigal: fear is that documents and artifacts have been unearthed and done away with, and yes... the thing is, few women, even when educated and able to write, probably had written items that were valued enough to be kept

    --BELL--

    Eliza Madrigal: but traces here and there
    Agatha Macbeth: Always traces :p
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: And archetypes that won't lie down
    Eliza Madrigal: haha, there you go
    Agatha Macbeth: Mm

    Eliza Madrigal: Okay.... it is that time
    Agatha Macbeth: Doggy time?
    Eliza Madrigal: hopefully he will sleep while I make noodles
    Agatha Macbeth: Until he smells em
    Eliza Madrigal: :) hard to keep snacks from him and he is too little for many
    Eliza Madrigal: anyway, hugs, and I like the white a lot
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes makes a change from black :p
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Fallen angels...
    Eliza Madrigal: ping wollie and say to check in
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes hope she's OK
    Eliza Madrigal: few updates, so me too
    Agatha Macbeth: Probably busy
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Eliza Madrigal: natural after traveling
    Eliza Madrigal: but anyway, stops to wish well :)
    Agatha Macbeth: And WoWing
    Agatha Macbeth: Yep
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: bfn
    Agatha Macbeth: TC x

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