2018.10.23 12:00 - Dream Session: Psychopomp and Circumstance

 

Eliza Madrigal: :) So how did everyone do with the homework?

Agatha Macbeth: Homework?

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): umm, the dog ate mine

Agatha Macbeth: The cat ate mine

Agatha Macbeth: Snap-ish

Riddle Sideways: no!   mean the dawg ate it

Zen (Zen Arado): I did it

Agatha Macbeth: Dang!

Tura Brezoianu: Not much dreaming to work with

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I sort of did it

Eliza Madrigal: Zen is student of the week

Zen (Zen Arado): was dog in mine

Agatha Macbeth: Yay

Eliza Madrigal: I sort of did it too

Eliza Madrigal: wanted to do more

Zen (Zen Arado): it isn't that good

 

Agatha Macbeth: I can't remember what we were supposed to do

Zen (Zen Arado): struggled

Eliza Madrigal: Say more, Zen?

Zen (Zen Arado): associations with a dream

Zen (Zen Arado): want me to post it?

Agatha Macbeth: Please do

Eliza Madrigal: Or I can post a link

Eliza Madrigal: to last session, if you prefer

Zen (Zen Arado): can't find it

Eliza Madrigal: https://wiki.playasbeing.org/Chat_Logs/2018/10/2018.10.16_12:00_-_Dream_Session:_Phenomenal_Healing_Puzzles

Zen (Zen Arado): I added it to a dream from a while ago

Eliza Madrigal: I understood it to be not just a recent dream image, but any dream image that comes up often, and then you work with that...drawing out associations, etc.

Zen (Zen Arado): anyone else while I search?

Eliza Madrigal: no need to search Zen, since it is on the wiki

Eliza Madrigal: unless you mean for your dream?

Zen (Zen Arado): no my dream

Eliza Madrigal: oh, okay

 

Zen (Zen Arado): it was saame night I was talking to Deadmau5

Zen (Zen Arado): in a dream

Eliza Madrigal: :)

Eliza Madrigal: Alma, how did it go for you?

 

Zen (Zen Arado): I started the dream riding a bicycle with my dog trotting along beside me (which I would never do in real life.) Then the bicycle disappeared and I was walking him in a huge open space like St Mark's Square in Rome. Then we started walking through narrow alleyways with brightly coloured graffiti on each side and stopping to talk to people. I never made it home again because I woke up.

 

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I thought about it while I was out on a walk, with respect to a particular dream image (a monster), but didn't get around to writing anything down

 

Eliza Madrigal: musing is helpful :)

Agatha Macbeth likes a good muse

Zen (Zen Arado): want to comment on dream first?

Zen (Zen Arado): dog walking is very recurrent dream for me

Agatha Macbeth: Interesting

Eliza Madrigal: it changes settings, but not in an abrupt sort of way, nice

Zen (Zen Arado): my life has narrowed?

Zen (Zen Arado): certainly has

Eliza Madrigal: Is that what you felt? Then it also got brighter and more social?

Zen (Zen Arado): not really but the small corridor was bright

Zen (Zen Arado): so mynarrowlife not all bad?

 

Riddle Sideways: Zen, did you get into what dog aspects get your attention

Zen (Zen Arado): I'll do my association now?

Eliza Madrigal: ok

Riddle Sideways: oh sorry

Eliza Madrigal: we're always winging it ^.^

 

Zen (Zen Arado): Association: My dog who died 15 years ago comes up a lot in my dreams. I guess I still feel an attachment to him because he lived with me for so long – since he was a little pup. There could be an attachment with my mother because she was alive for two years when we first got him. One of the main things I remember is just how much loyalty he gave me. I have had disloyal friends in my life. In my dreams he is usually trotting alongside me quite happily. It takes so little to make dogs happy. Initially I was able to walk him using a crutch but I could only walk him slowly and there was a danger that he could pull me off my feet if he saw another male dog. Humans are so complex with all our worries and thoughts of how things should be. Dogs really do live in the present moment and never hold any grudges or this remember bad things from the past. I think some people use dogs or cats to fill the need for human companionship in their lines and I don't think that is healthy. With dogs especially, you can control

Zen (Zen Arado): them – something you can’t do with humans. Maybe I try to control situations too much? I guess we all try to control life, and usually fail. The only other dog I had was a little fox terrier that my mother got for me for passing the 11+ exam. I don't think I treated him as well as I should have, because I didn't walk him very often. I still feel guilty about that. I don't even remember what happened to him. I think I went to Australia before he died.

 

Agatha Macbeth: Wing dings

Agatha Macbeth: Awww

Agatha Macbeth: Poor doggy

Zen (Zen Arado): just what associations came up for me

Eliza Madrigal: A lot tumbled out really

Zen (Zen Arado): is that how it should be done?

Eliza Madrigal: I think so, with room to do it other ways too

Eliza Madrigal: I was trying to draw, and Alma was musing while walking

 

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): the association with loyalty seems significant

Eliza Madrigal: agree

Zen (Zen Arado): later he goes into approaching dreams less rationally

Eliza Madrigal: loyalty and being present

Zen (Zen Arado): this was too rational I think

Eliza Madrigal: I rather like it. Sometimes when we have just the dream, it needs a little more context

Eliza Madrigal: In this, I feel it connects with the 'story of you'

 

Zen (Zen Arado): why do I dream about this dog so much?

Agatha Macbeth: Is it the same dog?

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): he was an important part of your life

Zen (Zen Arado): yes

Riddle Sideways: like our upper mind doesn't know all that associations of a certain object (dog) that dream uses to tell story

Zen (Zen Arado): maybe he is connecting with me

Eliza Madrigal: really being with a dog, looking through their eyes, is very 'free' feeling

Zen (Zen Arado): from lower world :)

Eliza Madrigal: true, Riddle, we all need an entirely personalized dream deciphering book :))

Zen (Zen Arado): done should have said

Agatha Macbeth: Dogs often represent a psychopomp I think

Riddle Sideways: a personal Dream Decoder Ring

Eliza Madrigal: :))

Agatha Macbeth: Like Anubis

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): in shamanism, animals are often spirit guides

Agatha Macbeth: >.<

Eliza Madrigal: yes

Zen (Zen Arado): yes

Eliza Madrigal: your ally

Zen (Zen Arado): he still wants to look after me

Zen (Zen Arado): yes

 

Riddle Sideways: not sure if the generalized (what a dog means) is what Zen's book would say

Agatha Macbeth: 'Sometimes a cigar is a cigar'

Riddle Sideways: sometimes

Eliza Madrigal: What came up in your associations, Alma? Want to share the monster dream?

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): ok

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): here is the dream:

Zen (Zen Arado): book has better ways than rational interpretation

 

 

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I'm in a car with a woman (a sister or girlfriend?). She is driving. We are in a parking lot, starting out on a trip. She shows me a little road that is barely visible at the edge of the parking lot, and says that that is the way we will be going. Suddenly she stops the car. A monster is chasing us. She tells me to stay absolutely still so that the monster can't see me. If I move, the monster will see me and kill me. (The monster looks sort of like an ape walking on two legs, about the size of a full-grown man, and shaggy in appearance.) The woman gets out of the car and chases the monster around the parking lot, trying to make it go away. The monster seems unable to harm the woman, and is even afraid of her. I continue sitting as still as I can. I have the impression that we have been through a situation like this before [perhaps in an earlier dream].
 

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): The associations that came with the monster:

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): the day before the dream I saw a humorous TV ad in which a monster is following a man who is jogging. the monster says he is the man's "worry monster" and complains that the man doesn't pay any attention to him anymore

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): the fact that the monster can only see me if I am moving reminds me of a movie about dinosaurs, in which the people were trying to stand very still that a T-Rex could not see them.

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): dinosaurs supposedly rely on motion detector neurons in their eyes to see prey

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): it also reminded me of how sometimes when I can't sleep at night, if I make myself lie absolutely still and not move, then I will finally drift off

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): also, the shaggy appearance of the monster reminded me a bit of the friendly monsters on Sesame street

Agatha Macbeth: :P

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): only this was not a friendly monster - he was out to kill

 

Eliza Madrigal thought of weeping angels from Doctor Who ^.^

Agatha Macbeth: Yeh

Riddle Sideways: and the moment ya tell yerself to lay absolutely still, the nose itchs or ...

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): that's all I can think of for now

Zen (Zen Arado): maybe the monster represents something in your life?

Eliza Madrigal: any thoughts on the other person, the sister/friend?

Zen (Zen Arado): good to determine that
 

Zen (Zen Arado): I have to go drat

Eliza Madrigal: :(

Agatha Macbeth: Aww

Riddle Sideways: :( happy darting

Agatha Macbeth: Be well Zenny

Eliza Madrigal: see you soon Zen, hugs

Zen (Zen Arado): byee

 

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): the woman driving the car was like a guide and protector

Eliza Madrigal: sometimes you can be both people in a dream like that

Riddle Sideways: so would not be hurt by  monster

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): the monster had no power to hurt her

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): and she could chase the monster, though she was having trouble trying to make it go completely away

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): so, it was like I had to just sit as still as I could and let this woman handle the situation with the monster

Agatha Macbeth: Monsters can be tricky things like that

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): so if the monster represents the worries that keep me awake at night, then maybe the dream means I need to just be still and let something else in my unconscious deal with it

Eliza Madrigal: would be an instructive dream

 

Riddle Sideways: has that monster come up many other times?  or just after that advert

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): no, this was the first time I have seen that monster in a dream

Eliza Madrigal: it is like your subconscious really wanted to make the message overt

Eliza Madrigal: bold image

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): well, the woman driving the car and I were starting out on a trip, and then the monster interfered

Eliza Madrigal: :)

Agatha Macbeth: Rude monster eh

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): so maybe it's telling me I need to pay attention to this before moving on

Riddle Sideways: right after shown the small hidden road to go

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): yes

Eliza Madrigal: nice catch

 

Eliza Madrigal: If we spend another week doing this, do you think you'll continue with this image?

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I'll wait and see what else comes up in my dreams

Eliza Madrigal: does everyone have something particular that comes to mind to work with?

Riddle Sideways: if we spend another week doing this, will some of me actually work on the homework?

Eliza Madrigal: that's the sublayer question

 

Eliza Madrigal: I tried to do a kind of mindmap association practice

Eliza Madrigal: with a camera, since I would guess at least 2/3 of my dreams have a camera or me photographing something in them

Agatha Macbeth: Click

Eliza Madrigal: but I could only remember one actual camera that I noticed itself...

Eliza Madrigal: and that camera I also used in an art of being exhibition

Agatha Macbeth: Wow

Eliza Madrigal: so I was unsure whether I really remembered the camera, or if I remembered the project image

Riddle Sideways: plot thickens

Eliza Madrigal: yes, so then I realized the camera acts as a time freezer or something

Eliza Madrigal: and I wondered why I'm so busy trying to do that.... who and what am I taking all these photos for? what can't I see while time is moving

Eliza Madrigal: just associating that way

Eliza Madrigal: I want to work with it more

Eliza Madrigal: (done)

 

Riddle Sideways: capturing moments

Eliza Madrigal: I actually think this started with an exploration from ways of knowing

Agatha Macbeth: Been a while that

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): in a way, that's what we are trying to do with dream recall - capture memories of our dreams to take with us into waking life

Eliza Madrigal: yes, I didn't put the exploration down

Agatha Macbeth: Wonder how Stim is these days

Riddle Sideways: hmmm, you are right, Alma

Eliza Madrigal nods, Alma

Eliza Madrigal: it is also a point of 'going lucid' for me sometimes too, realizing that I'm taking a photo

Eliza Madrigal: so, fits well

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): sounds like taking photos would be a good dream sign for you

Riddle Sideways: good, hang onto that sign

Eliza Madrigal: I think Stim is well, Agatha :)

Eliza Madrigal: So I have my image, at least one strong one

Agatha Macbeth: Good to hear

Riddle Sideways: (tried to look Stim up couple years ago, when at Berkeley)

Riddle Sideways: no classes listed

Agatha Macbeth: Shame

Eliza Madrigal: ooh, you may have been there in summer?

Agatha Macbeth: Isn't it always summer down there?

Eliza Madrigal: :)

Riddle Sideways: ㋡

Riddle Sideways: have a funny dream to lighten things up

Eliza Madrigal: yay

Agatha Macbeth: Yay

Agatha Macbeth: Snap

 

Riddle Sideways: 1.a Sl store, place that favorite coffee cup came from long ago, now back to buy everything, they were going out of biz. Invited many SL friends there too. Kept being bothered by not needing nor using a SL cup, but it was the one always used, but did not use/need (bothered that it did not make sense). Circled on was the illogic SL or dreaming. Woke up.

2.can't recall right now, knew a few minutes ago. reliving #1 chased #2 away ㋡

 

Eliza Madrigal: maybe it will come back

Riddle Sideways: done,  no associations

Eliza Madrigal: realizing you're in SL might be a dream sign too? Either wake up then or wake 'in' then?

Riddle Sideways: lots of cups in inventory, but little used

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): parallels between SL and the dream world

Riddle Sideways: lots of parallels

Riddle Sideways: is this a dream or SL

Agatha Macbeth: I remember Liz's teapot in the village well

Eliza Madrigal: :) I was always trying to recreate the little tea house in rieul

Agatha Macbeth: Oh I go there quite a lot

 

Eliza Madrigal: Have you thought more about the tigers from a few weeks ago, Riddle? Might be an interesting one to associate out, too

Riddle Sideways: think that is the only tigers ever to appear

Agatha Macbeth: Tiger tiger burning bright

Riddle Sideways: horses show up more often

Eliza Madrigal: ahhh

Agatha Macbeth: Neigh

Eliza Madrigal: another strong, majestic beast :)

Agatha Macbeth: Indeed

Riddle Sideways: the RL team once pulled the bumper off the car

Agatha Macbeth: So tonight we've had dogs tigers and horses...interesting

Eliza Madrigal: and a monster :))

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): :)

Riddle Sideways: yes, don;t forget the monster

Agatha Macbeth: Monster isn't a Chinese zodiac symbol tho

Agatha Macbeth: Unless you count dragons

Riddle Sideways: oh missed that ref

Riddle Sideways: dragons are different

Eliza Madrigal: interesting link

Agatha Macbeth: Yeh

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): well, it had a sort of ape-like appearance, so maybe a variation on monkey?

 

Agatha Macbeth: Those 3 form a set too

Eliza Madrigal: a set?

Agatha Macbeth: A trine...compatible

Eliza Madrigal: I see :)

Agatha Macbeth: Yep

 

 

Agatha Macbeth: Xira :))

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Xiri!

Agatha Macbeth: Hola guapina!

Agatha Macbeth: Welcome back

Riddle Sideways: hi Xir !!!!

Eliza Madrigal: we've been talking about dreams and associations... and associated our way into Chinese zodiac

Xirana (Xirana Oximoxi): hello Aga girl, Eliza, Riddle and everyone :) I know I am late

Agatha Macbeth: Via me :p

Eliza Madrigal: nice to see you

Agatha Macbeth: It is

 

Riddle Sideways: how is your country doing?

Xirana (Xirana Oximoxi): thank you!! Nice to see you all too :)

Riddle Sideways: it is not in our news cycles

Xirana (Xirana Oximoxi): it's all more quiet but more repression too.... sadly

Eliza Madrigal: cycles

Agatha Macbeth: :(

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): what country is that?

Xirana (Xirana Oximoxi): Catalonia :-)

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): ah!

 

Eliza Madrigal: such a turbulent time in the world, shiftings

Agatha Macbeth: Was it not ever so

Xirana (Xirana Oximoxi): yes.. I do have the same feeling... a lot of 'strange'things happening all over the world

Eliza Madrigal: probably not... but there was never a time when we knew so much and felt some sense of responsibility to affect things

Xirana (Xirana Oximoxi): cycles of happenings..maybe

Agatha Macbeth: Maybe people care more now

Eliza Madrigal: :) I like that way of looking at it

Riddle Sideways: wish that was so, Aggers

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): information (and dis-information) travels much faster these days

Eliza Madrigal nods.... and puppet strings more blatant

Xirana (Xirana Oximoxi): I am sorry if I have interrupt the dream conversation :)

Eliza Madrigal: maybe the answers will come in dreams

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): speed increases instability

 

Eliza Madrigal: not at all, Xiri...we're at the end of session, but I did want to ask you what your dream life is like

Eliza Madrigal: Do you remember your dreams?

Xirana (Xirana Oximoxi): I remember rarely...I know I should write it quickly when I wake up

Xirana (Xirana Oximoxi): some quite strange time to time

Xirana (Xirana Oximoxi): others mostly related to something I've read or seen

Eliza Madrigal: catalysts

Agatha Macbeth: ^.^

Eliza Madrigal: :))

Eliza Madrigal: We're trying a new thing, and Zen should be able to stay the whole session going forward I think....

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): oh, I hope so

Agatha Macbeth: Right

Eliza Madrigal: he has had a substitute carer with a different schedule

Xirana (Xirana Oximoxi): long time I have not seen him...

Xirana (Xirana Oximoxi): ahh that's great

 

Eliza Madrigal: the first step (homework this week) is 'association' so we're working with any vivid dream image... and associating it out, either writing or drawing or just teasing it apart

Eliza Madrigal: Zen will have to let us know when we're ready to move on to step 2! :))

Riddle Sideways: do you still have the session link?

Eliza Madrigal: https://www.beliefnet.com/columnists...ing-tiger.html

Eliza Madrigal: Oops...not that....

Eliza Madrigal: https://wiki.playasbeing.org/Chat_Logs/2018/10/2018.10.16_12:00_-_Dream_Session:_Phenomenal_Healing_Puzzles

Riddle Sideways: hmmmm, like a sleeping Tiger

Riddle Sideways: oh my

Eliza Madrigal: :) was cleaning out my desktop links earlier today and found that... remembered during session but then forgot again

Riddle Sideways: y'all are getting much more out of the Tigers

Eliza Madrigal: hahah

Agatha Macbeth: Sleeping tiger hidden dragon

Riddle Sideways: good movie

Agatha Macbeth: Or was it crouching?

Agatha Macbeth: Dunno

Eliza Madrigal: I like all those films... yes was crouching

Riddle Sideways: right, crouching

Eliza Madrigal: Hm, so I don't have a dream quote to close today, but....

Eliza Madrigal: :) thanks everyone

Riddle Sideways: thanks All

Agatha Macbeth: 'All that we see or seem to see is but a dream within a dream'

Eliza Madrigal: ♥ ♥ ♥

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): thank you everyone

Tura Brezoianu: thank you

Xirana (Xirana Oximoxi): Thank you all... it has benn nice to meet you :) I'lll try to read at the wiki the homework an, if possible I will come more oft 

Xirana (Xirana Oximoxi): :)

Eliza Madrigal: would love that

 

 

Agatha Macbeth: Any exhibitions at the moment Xira?

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): please do

Eliza Madrigal: have seen too little of you recently

Riddle Sideways: these sessions start noon SLT

Riddle Sideways: hope to see you

Xirana (Xirana Oximoxi): yes...always preparing something:) I enjoy ding it :)

Xirana (Xirana Oximoxi): doing

Eliza Madrigal: do you have a group for announcements?

Eliza Madrigal: can always send through PaB too

Agatha Macbeth: Yes

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Riddle :)

Riddle Sideways: Hey

Riddle Sideways: are you underground? and using the cushion as a table?

Eliza Madrigal: I should really wait until everyone arrives to sit down

Eliza Madrigal: it is a weird glitchy thing that happens - I don't see myself that way

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zen :)

Eliza Madrigal: Do you have your normal helpers back yet, Zen?

Riddle Sideways: hi  Zen

Zen (Zen Arado): Hi Eliza, Riddle ;)

Zen (Zen Arado): no

Eliza Madrigal: boo

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Alma, Agatha :)

Zen (Zen Arado): it's a woman before me on the run gone to Lanzarote

Agatha Macbeth: Bonsoir ♥

Eliza Madrigal: that sounds like the start of a novel

Zen (Zen Arado): Hi Alma, Aggers

Agatha Macbeth: Who? What?

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): hi Eliza, Zen, Agatha, Riddle

Zen (Zen Arado): back next week

Eliza Madrigal: great

Riddle Sideways: it does sound like a good start

Agatha Macbeth: Sit down Liz you make the place look untidy :p

Riddle Sideways: Hey Aggers and Alma

Eliza Madrigal: If I sit before Tura is here, I have to stand and sit again so as not to be underground

Agatha Macbeth waves like a boss

Agatha Macbeth: ???

Agatha Macbeth: Makes sense...or not

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): ummm, ok

Eliza Madrigal: SL sense

Agatha Macbeth: Oh that

Eliza Madrigal: the glitchy thing that keeps happening, yes

Agatha Macbeth: Lord help us

Riddle Sideways: on that one cushion or all

Agatha Macbeth: Why Tura in particular?

Eliza Madrigal: Am I disturbing you by pacing around ?

Agatha Macbeth: Nope

Eliza Madrigal: She's the only one not here yet :)

Agatha Macbeth: I love your pacing

Eliza Madrigal: All cushions. It used to be just Zen that saw me that way

Agatha Macbeth: So if someine else comes you have to stand up all over again?

Eliza Madrigal: yup :) I'll sit anyway

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): hi Tura

Agatha Macbeth: •✠• Øh Μч ɢøɖ •✠•

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Tura :)

Riddle Sideways: good, so far

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): at last, Eliza can sit

Zen (Zen Arado): I just turn my AO off and on again

Eliza Madrigal giggles

Tura Brezoianu: hi all

Eliza Madrigal: Tura, do I seem to be inside the cushion?

Riddle Sideways: hi Tura

Agatha Macbeth: 15 years and LL still suck

Zen (Zen Arado): if strage seating occurs

Riddle Sideways: and Eliza is still above ground

Zen (Zen Arado): strange

Tura Brezoianu: your feet are inside the cushion

Agatha Macbeth: I see Liz sitting OK

Zen (Zen Arado): I see her underground

Eliza Madrigal: Okay, that's normal I think

Agatha Macbeth: •✠• Øh Μч ɢøɖ •✠•

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): she looks ok to me

Agatha Macbeth: Me too

Zen (Zen Arado): ok now

Eliza Madrigal: Okay :)

Tura Brezoianu: you just moved to a normal sitting position

Agatha Macbeth: Imagine if sitting in RL was this hard

Eliza Madrigal: that time I turned the AO off, so I guess that will be the new strategy

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): In RL you have to learn how to walk, in SL you have to learn how to sit

Zen (Zen Arado): it is for me

Agatha Macbeth: Aww you won't wave your arms now

Agatha Macbeth: That looks cute

Eliza Madrigal: will go back to looking stoic

Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): AOs often do conflict with sit anims in objects

Zen (Zen Arado): Hi Tura

Agatha Macbeth nods @ Alma

Agatha Macbeth: Like I said,15 years...