2009.02.06 01:00 - Past life thingies

Wol Euler was guardian and commenter for this session.

Wol Euler: morning tarmel
Tarmel Udimo: evening wol
Wol Euler smiles
Tarmel Udimo: how are you feeling?
Wol Euler: well, thanks.
Wol Euler: adn you?
Tarmel Udimo: good very good, its the end of the wekk
Wol Euler: it is that.
Wol Euler: hello fael
Tarmel Udimo: hi fael
Fael Illyar: Hi Wol, Tarmel :)
Wol Euler: what does "Daimyo" mean?
Tarmel Udimo: I'm only here for a few mins

Fael was wearing a new group tag, "Dawn's Daimyo". She explained the meaning; unfortunately the autologging database, like the SL text logs on my computer, chokes on Japanese characters.

Fael Illyar: daimyo (Japanese feudal lord); (P);
Wol Euler: ah, ty
Tarmel Udimo: ahh so
Wol Euler: early to bed, tarmel?
Tarmel Udimo: that was meant to be japanes ;-)
Tarmel Udimo: would help if I could spell
Tarmel Udimo: :-0
Fael Illyar smiles.
Tarmel Udimo: no off to dinner with my step-daughter
Wol Euler: ah, nice.
Tarmel Udimo: yes very, i haven't seen her for a few weks because she jsut recently enrolled in a three year dance course
Wol Euler: :)
Tarmel Udimo: opps my dyslexia is acting up :-)
Tarmel Udimo: yes its been interesting 'inheriting'a couple of teenage kids
Fael Illyar: that happens sometimes :)
Wol Euler: yeah, I bet.
Tarmel Udimo: from my last relationship
Fael Illyar: 'inheriting'?
Tarmel Udimo: still good frineds with her dad so we're all going out to have dinner and catch up
Fael Illyar: Ah :)
Tarmel Udimo: yes kind of became a surrogate mum
Wol Euler: that sounds very civilized, nice that hte breakup remained friendly
Tarmel Udimo: well took work
Tarmel Udimo: but one tries hard. had too many where there was no contact
Tarmel Udimo: and the kids keep it going
Fael Illyar: sounds like they like you :)
Tarmel Udimo: we love each other very much :-)
Wol Euler smiles
Fael Illyar smiles.
Tarmel Udimo: a bit of a past life thingy I suspect
Fael Illyar: well, that's the best thingy I'm finding :)
Tarmel Udimo: yeah, which thingy?
Tarmel Udimo: past life or love?
Fael Illyar: well, combination :P
Tarmel Udimo: hummm
Tarmel Udimo: yes?
Tarmel Udimo: are you having a past life love thingy?
Fael Illyar: perhaps not exactly the way you might imagine :) I mean it in a more general way. There just are people you feel drawn to.
Tarmel Udimo: yes true enough
Tarmel Udimo: why we are all here I suspect
Wol Euler: who knows why people are atracted to specific others, really?
Tarmel Udimo: yes?
Wol Euler: having been friends or loves in a past life is as good or bad an explation as any other
Fael Illyar: well, meeting someone for the first time and feeling like you've known them for years on the first day ...
Wol Euler nods
Tarmel Udimo: one was more open to that when one was younger;-)
Wol Euler: one was more open to many things when one was younger, I find :)
Tarmel Udimo: yes its funny how we protect ourselves
Wol Euler: but actually haveing said that it is only half true. For ohter things I was much less open, tightly closed in fact.
Tarmel Udimo: hummm?
Wol Euler: insisting on facts and the observance of theory, rather than the perception of reality
Wol Euler: (badly expressed)
Fael Illyar: it's possible to be more open even when older :)
Wol Euler: The Wol of age 20 would never have joined this group
Tarmel Udimo: yes we've all come a long way
Wol Euler: she would have waved it aside and "had more important things to do"
Tarmel Udimo: smiles at wol understandingly
Fael Illyar: Yes, it's interesting how easy it is to worship theory instead of reality.
Wol Euler: one of the cornerstones of fundamentalism (of whatever kind)
Tarmel Udimo: yes fael I feel I am more open as wol says also, but when it comes to falling in love, perhaps more cautious
Wol Euler: is the insistence that theory is more important than ... call it "reality"
Wol Euler: He is a Whatever, therefore I must hate him.
Tarmel Udimo: was that a reference to our group emails?
Wol Euler: not necessarily :)
Tarmel Udimo: :-)
Tarmel Udimo: I will be responding tomorrow
Fael Illyar: I'm finding that what I call love doesn't really differ much between friends and ... well closer people.
Wol Euler: no hurry :)
Tarmel Udimo: or tonight depending on how late I get home...
Fael Illyar: what differs is what I'm expected of and what I expect.
Wol Euler nods
Tarmel Udimo: okay
Tarmel Udimo: want to unpact that somemore fael?
Fael Illyar: hmmh...
Fael Illyar: when someone is included in your future plans, you're expecting more of them than just a friend would :)
Tarmel Udimo: yes future plans...
Wol Euler: yes, and/but that seems to me natural and appropriate
Tarmel Udimo: yes and no in some relationships one doesn't end up making future plans and that's why the relationship fails...
Tarmel Udimo: or the future plans are not on the smae page/path
Tarmel Udimo: but it sounds like you're making future plans there fael... :-)
Wol Euler smiles and raises an eyebrow enquiringly
Wol Euler: oops
Wol Euler: I guess we'll never know.
Tarmel Udimo: was it something I said?
Wol Euler: heheheheh
Tarmel Udimo: and what are your future plans wol?
Wol Euler: having a few more aspirin, perhaps going back to bed.
Tarmel Udimo: still unwell?
Wol Euler: though I need to be at the office at noon, and am invited to a birthday party this evening by a member of staff
Tarmel Udimo: nice
Wol Euler: still or again, not really sure. Headache, dizzy, perhaps just because I slept badly, my neck is stiff and creaking
Tarmel Udimo: humm, do you often have bouts of unwellness?
Wol Euler: depends what you mean by "often"
Tarmel Udimo: everyday?
Wol Euler: my general health is good, I would say
Wol Euler: oh no, not at all.
Wol Euler: but I am sensitive to weather changes, both because of the low blood pressure thing
Wol Euler: and also neurologically, I get Föhn fever 
Wol Euler: quite dramatically sometimes
Tarmel Udimo: fever from the wind?
Wol Euler: exactly.
Tarmel Udimo: humm could be physicic
Wol Euler: the direction and speed and source of the wind determines its electrical charge
Wol Euler: true, except that I suffered it before learning that it existed.
Tarmel Udimo: wb fael
Wol Euler: and after an episode I might meet a dozen others who had the same feeling at the same time on the same day
Wol Euler: wb fael
Tarmel Udimo: very interesting - does the Föhn only exist in germany?
Wol Euler: it is very real, statistically and biologically measurable.
Wol Euler: the wind with that name is German, but similar winds with similar effects are found in most mountainous region of the world
Wol Euler: the Mistral in france, Chinook in western Canada ...
Tarmel Udimo: okay - and your hearing?
Fael Illyar wonders what lines she missed.
Wol Euler looks back. Did I say "hearing"?
Tarmel Udimo: your profile
Wol Euler: oh, I see.
Wol Euler: my hearing is fine. the problem with voice is entirely in my computer/network/internet connection :)
Tarmel Udimo: all right my lovies, my darling girl is here so off to dinner
Wol Euler smiles
Tarmel Udimo: will check in later
Wol Euler: bye tarmel, enjoy the evening
Fael Illyar: sure, see you later Tarmel :)
Fael Illyar: (I'm on phone)
Wol Euler: good, I will make tea :)
Fael Illyar: (tech support for my mother)
Wol Euler: heheheheheh
Fael Illyar: oh right, not everything psychic is imagined in the way of simply imagining you're sick.
Fael Illyar: although, electrical charge certainly does sound like it'd affect your brain :)
Wol Euler: it's a real, measurable pheonomenon. In Munich, on the edge of the Alps, operations in hospitals are postponed on Föhn days
Wol Euler: there is a demonstrable increase in both mistakes by doctors and "simply laying down and dying" in patients on such days
Fael Illyar: that is definitely interesting
Fael Illyar: it happens when wind blows in certain direction?
Wol Euler: mmmmmm
Wol Euler: not just direction. Speed and humidity and the upper atmosphere are also involved
Wol Euler: it's not just that the east-south-east wind always makes me feel weak
Wol Euler: (to pick a direction)
Fael Illyar: Ah, ok :)
Fael Illyar: never heard of this one before :)
Wol Euler: neither had I until I moved here. We are close enough to the Alps, and in a hilly enough area, that it exists here too

A succession of newborns drifts past, some staying longer than others.

Fael Illyar: Hello NB1 :)
Wol Euler: hello NB1
NB1: hello
NB1: how r u 2
Wol Euler: ah, born today! welcome to second life.
Fael Illyar: Ah, born today, welcome to Second life :)
Wol Euler: snap!
Fael Illyar grins
NB1: yes just getting to grips with it
Wol Euler: (people in SL read profiles :-)
NB1: sorry to drop in like this
Wol Euler: there is a lot to learn, yes, but the learning is fun too
Fael Illyar: No, that's perfectly ok. The norm at this place, really :)
Fael Illyar: (not SL in general but this place)
Wol Euler: in theory we are a meditation and discussion group called Play as Being
NB1: so how do i get around and do u have any tips
Wol Euler: well, there is the tutorial guide in the Help menu, that will teach you the basics.
Fael Illyar: (another phonecall)
Wol Euler: once you know how to get around, the hard part becomes deciding where to go
NB1: that it i though it was going to be real town
Wol Euler: there are plenty of town-like areas in SL, this just happens not to be one.
Wol Euler: click on the "search" button at the bottom of the screen, NB1
NB1: if i fly off now somw how will i be able to find you again
Wol Euler: in the World menu, select "Create landmark here"
Wol Euler: that will give you a LM that you can use to return here.
Wol Euler: (it goes in to the Landmarks folder of your inventory)
Fael Illyar: of course, people don't tend to stay put that much so we might not be here if you return at a random time )
Wol Euler: true.
Wol Euler: the group meets here four times a day, 1am 7am 1pm 7pm
Wol Euler: not always the same people
Wol Euler: wb fael
Wol Euler: NB1 seems to be AFK :)
Fael Illyar: I seem to be popular today.
Wol Euler: enjoy it :)
NB1: okay im still not geting this i think i will try the help menu
Wol Euler: which part aren't you getting?
Wol Euler: y'know, NB1, it's easier to get help if you ask questions :)
Fael Illyar: Wol, do you have a folder of things you like to give out to new people?
Wol Euler: not yet, I am slowly putting together a list of stuff that seems generally useful
Fael Illyar: Oh, I'm somewhat surprised :)
Wol Euler: you expected me to be better organized?
Wol Euler: actually so did I.
Fael Illyar: no, you're in contact with new people enough that I figured you might save yourself trouble by keeping such a folder :)
Wol Euler: yeah, I can just never find the time to put it together.
Wol Euler: I have made a folder like that of hte PaB handouts and bumpf, and I'm ading stuff to it as it comes up.
Wol Euler: Earning money is one that nearly always comes up.
Fael Illyar: Well, that's the way I'd do it. Add stuff as it comes up :)
Wol Euler: and I do have the Luneko kit, you gave me that I think
Fael Illyar: Yes, I did :)
Wol Euler: have you given it to NB1 yet?
Fael Illyar: something I found myself when I was new :)
Fael Illyar: no
Wol Euler: shall I, or will you?
Fael Illyar: just did
Wol Euler: :)
Fael Illyar: there's a pillow I "made" ... combined a sculptie and texture, both of which I got for free :P
Wol Euler: nice, just needs a pose :)
Fael Illyar: yep :)
Fael Illyar: might see about making one myself now that I've finally figured out the basics of doing those in blender.
Wol Euler: sculpties?
Fael Illyar: no, poses/animations
Wol Euler: aaah
Wol Euler: NB1, if you can hear me: your head is a bit small for this large body, increase its size by a bit.
Fael Illyar wonders if hers might be a bit big even
Wol Euler: too big looks less odd than too small, and no IMHO it isn't :)
Fael Illyar: Ok, thank you :)
Wol Euler: smaller bodies tend to have larger heads on them in RL too.
Wol Euler: head size varies less than body size/bulk do
Fael Illyar: Yep :)
Wol Euler: by the way, did you listen to Antony and the Johnsons?
Fael Illyar: the sample never loaded
Wol Euler: :(
Fael Illyar: too popular sample I guess :P
Wol Euler: the videos should hav worked though, I was able to view them
Fael Illyar: oh right, I forgot to try them.
Fael Illyar: ^^;
Wol Euler: the first one, "the lake", is the classic Antony song.
Fael Illyar: mind giving me the link again?
Wol Euler: http://antonyandthejohnsons.com/
NB1: hehehehehe
Fael Illyar: heh, yes, the singer's voice is somewhat strange definitely but ... doesn't freak me out :)
Fael Illyar likes the feeling.
Wol Euler nods and smiles.
Wol Euler: I bought this CD for the friend who introduced me to Antony
Wol Euler: oh, you met her. Lioness Krach.
Fael Illyar: Ah :)
Wol Euler: but it's too good to give away, I will have to buy her a second copy :)
Fael Illyar: :P
Wol Euler: welcome back, NB1
Wol Euler: bulked up a bit, I see :)
Fael Illyar: Yes, that's the usual thing people tend to do with male AVs :)
NB1: be back soon sweeties
Wol Euler: did you figure out the landmark, NB1?

A second newborn arrives by balloon. She walks around in silence, then stands beside me and goes into the appearance editor. Whereas most newbies try on clothes from other default avatars, NB2 jumped right into making her own using the default library textures.

Fael Illyar: Hello NB2 :)
Wol Euler: hello NB2, did you enjoy the balloon flight?
Wol Euler: also born today! welcome to second life
Fael Illyar: clothes look a bit customized already :)
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Wol Euler: NB2, that skirt is actually an object
Wol Euler: if you want to take it off, right-click onit and select "detach"
Wol Euler: that#s why the appearnce editor could not remove it.
Wol Euler: deaf to the world, ah well.
Fael Illyar: takes time to figure out how to see what others say ... and perhaps how to say.
Wol Euler: yah, so much going on and this little bit of text is not the focus of attention
Wol Euler: and the default display time is too short, I find.
Fael Illyar: I find the chat bubbles very helpful :)
Wol Euler: eh?
Wol Euler: aaaah
Fael Illyar: you know, the text you type showing under your name
Wol Euler: never knew that!
Fael Illyar: including if you're typing
Wol Euler: asfasdf
Wol Euler: ok, but it doesn't show at all down below
Wol Euler: so I can't tell the sequence of who said what when in a group.
Wol Euler: interseting though
Fael Illyar: Yes, which is why I have the chat history open too :P
Wol Euler: aaaaaah
Wol Euler: but if you have the chat history open anyway, do you need the bubbles?
Wol Euler: can you even see them under the c.h. window?
Wol Euler: NB2, the folder where you found those shoes also contains a "shoe base" object, you need to wear it too.
Wol Euler: otherwise your feet have the wrong shape for the heels
Fael Illyar: I find the bubbles very useful when trying to chat in mouselook. :)
Wol Euler: oh! ok, I can see that (as it were)
Wol Euler: when do you use mouselook?
Fael Illyar: can talk to people without moving out of mouselook :)
Fael Illyar: mouselook sometimes when I want to enjoy a place :)
Fael Illyar: it kind of gives me a more of a feeling of "being" there.
Wol Euler considers this. I'll have to try.
Wol Euler: I have usually just cammed around using the keyboard controls
Fael Illyar smiles.
Wol Euler: I've been thinking about what SL means to people as we use it.
Wol Euler: My SL is surely not NB1's, or not yet anyway.
Wol Euler: and the Dark Life SL that Kered talked about yesterday is yet another.
Fael Illyar: SL is not the same for any two people. Just like RL isn't.
Wol Euler: true :)

The newborn suddenly comes to life.

Wol Euler: NB2, can you hear us now?
Wol Euler: ah, you are alive!
NB2: i found it
Wol Euler: hi!
Wol Euler: nice to hear from you
Wol Euler: welcome to second ilfe
Fael Illyar: Hi :)
NB2: hi
NB2: today is my first day in second life
Wol Euler: happy birthday.
NB2: thanks
NB2: what are you doing?
Wol Euler smiles. In theory this is a meeting of a meditation group
Wol Euler: in practice, we are talking about the meaning of life, and pillows
Fael Illyar: Yes, pillows :)
Fael Illyar: nice soft and fluffy :)
Wol Euler: mmhmm
NB2: meaning of life?
NB2: deep subject
Fael Illyar: nature of the mind :)
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Wol Euler: well, one can't always be analyzing Nietzsche :)
Wol Euler: nor indeed always talking about cookies
Fael Illyar: not quite no :)
Wol Euler: I have to say, I am quite impressed that you are already making your own clothes. How many hours have you been inworld? :-)
Starlet Wardell: less than an hour
Wol Euler grins. You're a clever one.
Fael Illyar blinks, even more impressed.
NB2: thanks
NB2: i always like to customize
Wol Euler: most people do it by buying, though :)
NB2: how do you buy?
Wol Euler: ah, first you need money - or a freebie shop.
Fael Illyar: yes, although even that way you have lots of options :)
Wol Euler: I can give you a landmark for a nice place, the Shelter
Wol Euler: I spent a lot of time there when I was new.
Starlet Wardell: the shelter?
Fael Illyar: name of the place :)
Wol Euler: it's a club specializing in taking care of newbies :)
Wol Euler: they have lots of free stuff, friendly people, good music, and lots of good advice
NB2: I think you guys have given me a good start
Wol Euler: we try :)

The session closes and we head back to so-called real life.

Wol Euler: well, this has been grand, but RL is calling. Goodbye my dears, enjoy your lives.
Wol Euler: hope to see you all again soon.