2009.02.07 07:00 - 1,2,3

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Pema Pera. The comments are by Pema Pera.

    Pema Pera: Hi there, Wol!
    Wol Euler: good morning pema! nice to see you again-
    Pema Pera: yes, good to be back here -- I've been incredibly busy the last two weeks, but I hope to be able to come more regularly from now on
    Wol Euler: I think the meetings do have a different flavour in your absence.
    Pema Pera: :)
    Pema Pera wondering whether he should ask further about flavours . . .
    Wol Euler chuckles
    Wol Euler: I don't know how you deal with life, travelling all the time. I think the jetlag would crush me.
    Pema Pera: that's the easy part, it puts me in a semi-dream-like state
    Pema Pera: which I like, and which helps integrate various modes of consciousness, actually
    Pema Pera: the rushing to catch up at the end of a stay is the harder part, tying up loose ends
    Pema Pera: and then after arrival catching up with what has happened meanwhile in the other place :-)
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Wol Euler: though I would expect that the "happening" is increasingly electronically mediated?
    Wol Euler: so as easily available in Tokyo as in Princeton?
    Pema Pera: well, yes, indeed, which means that you're never out of reach of all the requests for involvement in everything . . . .
    Wol Euler: heheheheh
    Pema Pera: . . . but even so, there are things you still can't do at a distance
    Pema Pera: like opening your snailmail
    Pema Pera: and saying hi to people you haven't seen for a while
    Wol Euler: what, there are people who aren't yet in SL? ;-)
    Pema Pera: and bringing your car in for an oil change -- those little things also pile up
    Pema Pera: hehehe, yes, it seems so
    Adams joined Wol and me, and would soon be followed by Corvi
    Pema Pera: Hi Adams!
    Wol Euler: hello adams, good morning
    Pema Pera: Thanks again for the wonderful exhibit!
    Adams Dubrovna: Hello Pema and Wol :)
    Wol Euler: yes indeed!
    Pema Pera: we'll have to discuss how to make your exhibit permanent, as we started to do over email yesterday
    Pema Pera: definitely worth a whole PaB sim
    Adams Dubrovna: :)
    Pema Pera: with a cluster of buildings
    Adams Dubrovna: We'll mis the clouds drifting by :)
    Wol Euler: hi corvi!
    Pema Pera: I'd prefer to have them all on the ground, rather than having floating copies -- I was rather confused by the clouds
    Adams Dubrovna: Hello Corvi :)
    Pema Pera: because with all the avatars present, the clouds become veils
    Pema Pera: grey carton boards really
    Adams Dubrovna will put some signs up there about the clouds
    Pema Pera: Hi Corvi!
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hi all
    Adams Dubrovna: It was going to be for lost works but that never got off the ground (hehe so to speak)
    Wol Euler chuckles
    I then suggested to have tp stations at both sides of the journeys from the exhibit, but I didn't express myself very clearly at first.
    Pema Pera: It would be great to have little PaB pillars at the places where we now can tp to, from the exhibit, so that people at the other side can learn about PaB
    Pema Pera: making the relationship symmetric
    Pema Pera: many people interested in sacred art may well be interested in PaB too
    Adams Dubrovna: Have you ever been to St. Catherine's Monastery in SL Pema?
    Pema Pera: Is there anybody you know, Adams, with whom you are already on friendly terms, on whose property we may be able to eract such a pillar, as a first try-out?
    Pema Pera: No, I haven't Adams
    Wol Euler: ah, I've been trying to rememeber that name. I'll check that this afternoon
    Adams Dubrovna: Not quite sure what you mean Pema
    Pema Pera: right now, using one of your note cards, we can tp from your exhibit to, say, the Monastry of St.Catherine, right, and then back again using the same notecard
    Adams Dubrovna: The St. Catherine Monastery is of course after the orignal in Mt. Sinai and the builder has been very sensitive to the "holiness" of the place
    Adams Dubrovna: yes Pema
    Pema Pera: What I would like is for people visiting the Monastery to find a pillar to click on to get a notecard about PaB
    Wol Euler: my beach attracts newbies, judging from the flotsam that washes ashore there. You could set up one by Storm's rowboat.
    Pema Pera: so to make the relationship symmertic
    Pema Pera: and to be able to tp to PaB and back
    Adams Dubrovna: Apparently some one was going to allow it to move to their land and reneged
    Adams Dubrovna: No, I wasn;t sure what you had in mind about the pillar
    Adams Dubrovna: the column
    Pema Pera: "it" being such a pillar?
    Adams Dubrovna: like a Greek column?
    Pema Pera: oh, anything really that you can click to get a note card
    Pema Pera: any sign
    Pema Pera wondering whether we are now talking about the same thing :-)
    Adams Dubrovna: Storm could probably make something?
    Pema Pera: sure
    Pema Pera: so the first step would be to ask someone to allow something clickable on their land, to make the relationship with your exhibit symmetric
    Pema Pera: mutually tp-able in both directions, starting at either end
    Pema Pera: have you asked someone yet?
    Adams Dubrovna: No I haven't :)
    Pema Pera: do you know someone as a guinea pig, to ask first?
    Pema Pera: to set up an example case?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: well all of us have land, right?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Kira for instance?
    Pema Pera: sure, but I mean a "Sacred Art" place
    Pema Pera: the technical part is trivial
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods.
    Pema Pera: the human part is what I meant, asking someone to allow us to do that -- I think in fact most people will be thrilled
    Pema Pera: advertisement is a good thing for most people
    We then hit on a practical trial option.
    Wol Euler: a mutual friend of ours has spoken a few times with the person who made the SL Ryoanji Garden, he could ask them about it.
    Pema Pera: yes, that would be one place to start
    Pema Pera: in fact the new owner is someone I know very well
    Pema Pera: and who, unlike the creator, does answer IMs :-)
    Adams Dubrovna: :)
    Wol Euler: ah! then it would be even better for you to approach them, actually :)
    Pema Pera: Will do right away; Theodote is her name, she bought Ryoanji a couple months ago
    Wol Euler: oh wow, I know her.
    Wol Euler: she used to have a great dance club called Planet Bollywood
    Pema Pera: She visited PaB early on too, when we were in the original tea house still
    Wol Euler: but it went gothique.
    Pema Pera: yes, next to Ryoanji
    Pema Pera: yes
    Pema Pera: but she saved Ryoanji
    Adams Dubrovna: yay
    Pema Pera: the creator wanted to abandon it, I think
    Wol Euler: ok, so her karma balances out :)
    Adams Dubrovna: like St. Catherine's
    Pema Pera: I have offered her to take it over right away if ever she no longer wants it
    Pema Pera: how so Adams?
    Wol Euler: ha, the world is so small.
    Pema Pera: SL is the size of Manhattan :-)
    Wol Euler: *worlds are
    Adams Dubrovna: The owner is planing on dismatntling it unless someone takes it
    Pema Pera: AH!
    Pema Pera: how large is it?
    Pema Pera: we might be able to host it, at least temporarily
    Pema Pera: we still have quite a bit of land that so far doesn't have a role
    Pema Pera: assigned
    Adams Dubrovna: It is not a whole sim but it is multiple small buildings within a wall
    Pema Pera: and you know the owner?
    Adams Dubrovna: It is roughly done but I think it is an important build
    Adams Dubrovna: yes, I do
    Pema Pera: shall we have a field trip, briefly, after this session?
    Adams Dubrovna: that would be great
    Wol Euler: good idea.
    And so we would, after the hour was up.
    Adams Dubrovna: It was the first place in SL I took the students
    Pema Pera: !
    Wol Euler: just out of curiosity, how many of your students were already in SL before the class?
    Adams Dubrovna: none
    Wol Euler: wow
    Pema Pera: !
    Pema Pera: how many are now?
    Adams Dubrovna: That was our major problem
    Pema Pera: followed by major accomplishment!!
    Adams Dubrovna: they could only get AVs from home because SL will not do any more on university accounts
    Wol Euler: O.O
    Adams Dubrovna: says tghe "hoiusehold" has enough
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: aw
    Adams Dubrovna: 6 now
    Wol Euler: strange idea...
    Pema Pera: and do you think those 6 may stay involved when you keep growing the project?
    Adams Dubrovna: 2 dropped out already :)
    Pema Pera: to a whole sim, to symmetric tp posts
    Adams Dubrovna: SWe have the Art History group
    Adams Dubrovna: It has been attracting people
    Pema Pera: how about throwing a kiind of party for the remaining 4
    Pema Pera: with invitations to anyone else interested
    Adams Dubrovna: We had talked about that earlier :)
    Pema Pera: and what happened after we talked earlier?
    Adams Dubrovna: It was scheduled for next Friday but I haven't checked everyone to make sure they could come. I sent out an email this morning
    Adams Dubrovna: February 13
    Pema Pera: next Friday = this Friday = this coming one?
    Adams Dubrovna: :)
    Wol Euler: depending on time, I'm sure any of us would offer to be there to talk to them, if desired
    Adams Dubrovna: yes
    Adams Dubrovna: :)
    Pema Pera always confused about American date terminology
    Adams Dubrovna: It was before you left :)
    Pema Pera: how about reserving one PaB session for them
    Wol Euler: I owuld offer mine but 1 a.m. is probably a bit too early
    Pema Pera: what time Friday, Adams?
    Fael joined us.
    Pema Pera: Hi Fael!
    Wol Euler: hello fael
    Fael Illyar: Hi Pema, Corvi, Wol, Adams :)
    Adams Dubrovna: Ah, we're talking about SL now
    Adams Dubrovna: Hi Fael :)
    Pema Pera: yes
    Adams Dubrovna getting confusider
    Pema Pera: AH, RL party!!!! yes that too
    Pema Pera: remember that one now
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hi FAel!
    Adams Dubrovna: Hello Moon :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hi, Moon!
    Moon Fargis: greetings
    Pema Pera: you would come to Princeton with a group, right?
    Pema Pera: Hi Moon
    Wol Euler: hello moon-as-human :) long time no see.
    Moon Fargis: humen ? where?:)
    Adams Dubrovna: That was the plan if they are up to it :)
    Wol Euler chuckles as fael hugs pema
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Wol Euler: that shot goes on the wiki!
    Pema Pera: hahaha
    Pema Pera: getting very crowded here
    Corvuscorva Nightfire smiles at the hugging.
    Moon Fargis: ˙·•| mmh *nods* |•·˙
    Wol Euler: everfyone freeze
    Pema Pera: So, Adams, Friday lunch in Princeton?
    Fael Illyar made this pose today just for this kind of purpose :P
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: oh, Fael..it's wonderful.
    Pema Pera: 1001 nights?
    Fael Illyar smiles 'Thank you Corvi.'
    Adams Dubrovna: Yes, if that is still OK :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: thanks Wol
    Wol Euler smiles
    Adams Dubrovna: thanks Wol
    Corvuscorva Nightfire grins at the pic of poor Pema under a pile of snuggle.
    Wol Euler cams and chuckles
    Pema Pera: perfect, sure, Adams, please come visit!
    Moon Fargis: ah dubble snuggle!
    Pema Pera: Let's do that first, and then we can discuss how to continue, including a celebratory PaB session
    Wol Euler: moon, turn back to face northwest again please?
    Wol Euler: to your right
    Adams Dubrovna: There are the three people in SL who are not available for RL meeting, of course
    Pema Pera: Ah, Gaya, Hana, Scathach ?
    Adams Dubrovna: yes Pema
    Pema Pera hopes that Adams doesn't feel left out, sitting all by himself . . . .
    Pema Pera: among all those two-somes and three-somes . . .
    Fael Illyar: one, two, three :)
    Adams Dubrovna will take a bath first next time
    Adams Dubrovna: :)
    Fael Illyar smiles 'You'll get your turn :P'
    Corvuscorva Nightfire laughs, and squeezes Adam's hand. You're lovely, my friend...no bath needed...
    Fael Illyar: can only hug one person at once :)
    Pema Pera: Yes, we look like a picture in a children's book, for learning how to count . . . .
    Fael Illyar: at least with this pose :)
    Wol Euler: ha, yes.
    Adams Dubrovna: :)
    Pema Pera: -> Fael's 1, 2, 3
    Corvuscorva Nightfire laughs.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Wol...
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: can you illustrate that for us?
    Pema Pera: actually 0, 1, 2, 3 !
    Corvuscorva Nightfire grins..perfect.
    Wol Euler: that sounds like a log title to me.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods.
    Pema Pera: "1,2,3" as a title?
    Pema Pera: pretty short . . .
    Fael Illyar: take one more, I noticed I left this positioned a bit too high :)
    Wol Euler: but efective.
    Fael Illyar: (for the wiki, so hard drive might be good place to save it)
    Adams Dubrovna: one, two three is longer :)
    Wol Euler: right
    Fael Illyar: took me 10 uploads to get this one right :P
    Wol Euler: pema, I'll send you that snapshot by email
    Pema Pera: thanks, Wol!
    Wol Euler rubs moon's furry belly
    Moon Fargis humms cutely.
    I turned back to the Sacred Art project, to the idea of making that into a two-way hub
    Pema Pera: btw, about Ryoanji, Adams, is that in the Sacred Art collection already?
    Adams Dubrovna: yes
    Pema Pera: so I can ask Theodote, great!
    Pema Pera: Where is the pointer to Ryoanji, in which of the three buildings?
    Adams Dubrovna: Lower floor in the Buddhism room
    Pema Pera: great, will check, thanks!
    Pema Pera worrying now about Children's book's arithmetic . . . .
    Fael Illyar: 2, 3, 1 :)
    Adams Dubrovna: We sgtarted with the eastern traditions on the ground floor adjacent to the Zen Rtereat
    Adams Dubrovna: but it got out of hand and the second level is mixed
    Pema Pera: ah, good place then to start with our reciprocal tp posts
    Adams Dubrovna: Islam, Hindu and "Other"
    Wol Euler: apropos other, I noticed that a Pastafarian attended your talk on the exhibition, Adams :)
    Wol Euler: is there place for "his noodly appendage"?
    Fael Illyar smiles.
    Adams Dubrovna: :)
    Wol Euler: http://www.venganza.org/
    Wol Euler: no, scrub that, far too silly, and not nearly artful enough :)
    Pema Pera: oh, I love Bob Marley's music!
    Adams Dubrovna: There is a Benedictine Monastery that met the first criteria
    Adams Dubrovna: but very artful
    Adams Dubrovna: The abbot's office had Ghiberti's Gates of Paradise
    Adams Dubrovna: but was right below a bell that was almost as big as his ofice
    Adams Dubrovna: The chruch was up a mountain with a long staircase with no railing
    Adams Dubrovna: The AV could not see the stairs on the weay down they were so steep
    Fael Illyar: wow
    Moon Fargis: ohhsee you ill need to check something
    Wol Euler: "no railing" neeed not be a problem, just use invisible prims
    Wol Euler: bfn moon
    Moon left, so we were left with the five of us
    Adams Dubrovna: there were none :)
    Adams Dubrovna: the steps were too steep for a woman AV too :)
    Wol Euler: boo!
    Fael Illyar: is there a difference in how female and male AVs go up steps?
    Wol Euler: actually I have been thinking for quite a while now about building the Temple as described in the Bible, but never got around to it.
    Adams Dubrovna: Just leg length Fael :)
    Fael Illyar: Oh, ok :)
    Fael Illyar: If you'd prefer me to sit normally, I can do that too :)
    Adams Dubrovna: :)
    Pema Pera: which temple, Wol?
    Wol Euler: tinies and quadrupeds have great trouble with stairs too
    Wol Euler: Solomon's temple in Jerusalem
    Wol Euler: just out of interest and curiosity, as an architect
    Adams Dubrovna seems to remember some cubits and cedar
    Wol Euler: mmhmm :)
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Pema Pera: yeah, pi = 3 wasn't it?
    Wol Euler: and enormous quantities of gold and silver serving vessels :)
    Adams Dubrovna: That should be easy in SL as long as they are not "no copy"
    Wol Euler: finding good textures is the tricky bit
    Adams Dubrovna: yes
    Adams Dubrovna noticed those kind of compromises in the many buildings visited
    Wol Euler nods
    Wol Euler: it might be interesting to consider the "SL-ness" of such reproductions, how well htey use the tools and how they conform to the practicalities of SL
    Wol Euler: that people fly and TP about, shortcutting dramatically planned routes
    Wol Euler: the eternal compromise between detailed textures and horrendous lag
    Adams Dubrovna: Yes, and then, of course, some people are more limited in prims
    Pema Pera: it
    Adams Dubrovna: than others
    Pema Pera: it's 8 am, shall we visit the monastery, Adams?
    Wol Euler: yes, let's do. I'd like to see it too
    Adams Dubrovna: ys, it is one of my favorite places. Would you like to come Fael?
    Fael Illyar: sure :)
    Adams Dubrovna: If I stand up, will Fael come with me?
    Adams Dubrovna: I'll tp you Fael :)
    Wol Euler: meet you there!
    Fael Illyar: ok :)
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