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No headers Wol Euler recovered this session from the autologging database and suggested a provisional title. Aurora was the guardian.
Aurora Kitaj: Hi there Chiaiu, make yourself at home, take a seat
Aurora Kitaj: you can sit anywhere ... tell me how are you finding sl?
Zen Arado: Hi Chiaiu
Zen Arado: :)
Chiaiu Chiung: Hi Zen
Aurora Kitaj: I know that you are new here... I hope us avis are behaving ourselves ;))
Aurora Kitaj: Being polite and helpful
Chiaiu Chiung: :)
Zen Arado: Hi Silverwing
Silverwing Benoir: Hi everyone
Chiaiu Chiung: hi silverwing
Aurora Kitaj: Hello there Silverwing, great to see you and thanks for coming along
Aurora Kitaj: Hi Scath
Aurora Kitaj: welcome
Silverwing Benoir: are you typing or in voice?
Zen Arado: Hi Scath
Aurora Kitaj: Typing
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Aurora:)
Aurora Kitaj: Hello there
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Zen:)
Zen Arado: you are getting deep Scath :)
Aurora Kitaj: You probably haven't had time to look at the wiki I sent for you Silverwing and Chiaiu, but Play as Being discussions take place 4 times a day every day
Scathach Rhiadra: yes, can't seem to get AOs that work:)
Aurora Kitaj: the discussion we have is recorded on chat log and is posted up on the wiki
Zen Arado: happens to all of us :)
Chiaiu Chiung: I see
Aurora Kitaj: so if you would rather remain anonymous, I can arrange this
Chiaiu Chiung: should be no problem for me
Aurora Kitaj: The discussion topic is set by those present
Silverwing Benoir: I didn't get any wiki url
Aurora Kitaj: thanks Chiaiu
Zen Arado: I wondr if anyone ever reads them?
Aurora Kitaj: http://playasbeing.wik.is/
Scathach Rhiadra: yes Zen, many people read all the logs:)
Zen Arado: That'sgood
Aurora Kitaj: I keep a couple almost by my bedside ;)
Zen Arado: yes for when you can't get to sleep!
Aurora Kitaj: only 12 legged avis tonight Tenk lol
Aurora Kitaj: Come as you are ;)
Zen Arado: Although I must admit I enjoyed most of the discussions here
Zen Arado: in fact all of them so far
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Tenk:)
Tenk Kidd: Hello !
Zen Arado: Hi Tenk
Chiaiu Chiung: hi
Aurora Kitaj: Hello there Tenk :)
Zen Arado: These essages are out of sync for me
Aurora Kitaj: I'm wecoming Chiaiu and Silverwing to PaB for the first time
Tenk Kidd: Whew - not sat on anyone ;)
Scathach Rhiadra: :)
Aurora Kitaj: Hello Pema ;)
Zen Arado: Hi pema
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Pema:)
Pema Pera: Hi everybody!
Tenk Kidd: Hi Pema!
Aurora Kitaj: Do what have ppl been up to this week?
Aurora Kitaj: Something that you would like to share?
Aurora Kitaj: We've had really bad snow here in London
Silverwing Benoir: I finished my book
Zen Arado: Staying indoors out of the snow
Aurora Kitaj: Congratulations Silverwing ;)
Zen Arado: what book was that?
Aurora Kitaj: you must be relieved
Silverwing Benoir: it's a huge reliev
Aurora Kitaj: Hi Sam ;)
Aurora Kitaj: Come and take a seat
Silverwing Benoir: it's a boring book
Zen Arado: Hi Sam
Samuel Okelly: hello every1 :)
Zen Arado: you ha to study it?
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Samuel
Pema Pera: Hi Sam!
Aurora Kitaj: Can you say what it's about please Silverwing?
Silverwing Benoir: I didn't study it, I wrote it
Silverwing Benoir: the title is Lean Six Sigma for the CIO
Zen Arado: 0I see
Silverwing Benoir: it's what I teach in RL
Samuel Okelly: :)
Silverwing Benoir: sorry, not about philosophy
Zen Arado: I have no idea what that is :)
Pema Pera: can you unveal some of the secrets?
Tenk Kidd: Hi Sam :)
Aurora Kitaj: np Silverwing
Aurora Kitaj: yes please
Silverwing Benoir: sure
Silverwing Benoir: Lean is a methodology of improving business processes by reducing wasteful activities
Silverwing Benoir: Six Sigma is a methodology to improve processes by improving quality
Zen Arado: oh that sounds more interesting
Silverwing Benoir: SS is a quantitative, data based approach using lots of statistics
Zen Arado: I thouht it was computer languages are something
Silverwing Benoir: no computer languages
Pema Pera: "lean" is very much like Play as Being -- subtracting rather than adding -- dropping what you have to see what you really are
Zen Arado: sounds like Zen!
Silverwing Benoir: good analogy. in Lean we systematically eliminate all that is not needed
Chiaiu Chiung: where do you start with?
Silverwing Benoir: we start with cleanliness
Silverwing Benoir: cleaning up your 'house' as it were
Silverwing Benoir: getting rid of stuff you dont' need
Zen Arado: you probably finish up eliminating jobs to?
Chiaiu Chiung: like that feng shui bestseller
Scathach Rhiadra: ah, spring cleaning:)
Silverwing Benoir: don't usually eliminate jobs but you might
Tenk Kidd: what methods do you use to make sure you don't mistakenly excluse something essential early on?
Silverwing Benoir: ah, no formal way to do that. we rely on the expertise of the individuals to know what they need
Silverwing Benoir: and use a rule of thumb that if you don't use something at least once a month, get rid of it
Zen Arado: It is a bottom-up approach?
Silverwing Benoir: very much so
Zen Arado: Or who decides?
Tenk Kidd: fire extinguisher?
Silverwing Benoir: fire extinguisher is not a part of a process
Silverwing Benoir: we focus on stuff necessary to do work
Zen Arado: Do you use anything like work-study techniques?
Silverwing Benoir: what do you mean?
Zen Arado: well what you are saying reminds me of the way they used to time people doing jobs
Zen Arado: and then cut out wasteful activities
Aurora Kitaj: you mean time and motion?
Zen Arado: yes
Silverwing Benoir: time and motion is a very old fashioned way of efficiency management
Silverwing Benoir: doesn't work very well
Zen Arado: that's what I think too
Zen Arado: I can't remember why
Scathach Rhiadra: isn't six sigma used in Project management?
Silverwing Benoir: it focuses on the wrong thing
Zen Arado: I think it reduced people to mchines
Zen Arado: yes
Silverwing Benoir: you asked if Lean is bottom up
Silverwing Benoir: it's also top down at the same time
Silverwing Benoir: we study the process overall and look for system efficies
Silverwing Benoir: and improve it simultaneo9usly from the bottom up
Zen Arado: interesting
Zen Arado: I studied systems theories one time
Silverwing Benoir: the focus is not on people's time it's on how long stuff spends waiting
Zen Arado: it might have something in common with that?
Silverwing Benoir: yes, this is a branch of systems theory
Aurora Kitaj: Can I be devils advocate and suggest that an efficient and harmonious business process is one where the workers and manages are listened to;)
Aurora Kitaj: if is that grossly oversimplifing it?
Silverwing Benoir: too simple
Silverwing Benoir: you and I can talk and hear each other
Silverwing Benoir: but if we are moving towards an impractical goal we'll both be wasting time
Zen Arado: I remember you had to look at the overall system
Tenk Kidd: SS - is it more to do with process efficiencies, error eliminations, or both?
Silverwing Benoir: it's not about being nice to each other although that helps
Silverwing Benoir: SS is mostly error eliminations
Silverwing Benoir: Lean is mostly process efficiencies
Zen Arado: I studied that stuff 30 years ago
Zen Arado: I'm sure it has changed a lot since then
Silverwing Benoir: yes principles which were thought to be inviolate then are not considered heresey!
Silverwing Benoir: now...
Zen Arado: it was a move away from a reductionist analysis to 1 that was more holistic
Aurora Kitaj: Hello Kermit, please take a seat ;)
kermit Xaris: hello Aurora
Pema Pera: Hi Kermit
kermit Xaris: hello everybody
Aurora Kitaj: we are talking about the book that Silverwing has just published ;)
Zen Arado: Hi Kermit
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Kermit
kermit Xaris: hi Zen hi Scathach
kermit Xaris: hello Pema
Silverwing Benoir: Hi folks
Aurora Kitaj: Nice to see you Kermit
Samuel Okelly: hey ker :)
Scathach Rhiadra: I like the idea that you can work from both ends
kermit Xaris: hey Samuel
Silverwing Benoir: what does this group normally talk about?
kermit Xaris: sorry i was late
Zen Arado: I wondr if second life needs this approach?
Zen Arado: It is ll such a big mess!
Aurora Kitaj: Silverwing, it's probably too early, but do you have a url ... an abstract of your book that ppl could have if they want know know a little more?
Pema Pera: Have you been here before, Kermit?
Silverwing Benoir: I do not have either Aurora. I'll have one in a few months
kermit Xaris: no Pema
kermit Xaris: is first time
Silverwing Benoir: the book production process is very slow. It will take them about 5 months to publish it
Pema Pera: We get together a few times a day to chat about the nature of reality, and everything else, and we have a wiki http://playasbeing.wik.is/ -- We record our conversations there. Do you mind being included in our blogs?
Silverwing Benoir: I have that much time to build my web site
Zen Arado: that can be time-consuming
kermit Xaris: as time i dont need to add a group i will be happy
Pema Pera: Chiaiu and Silverwing, is it okay with you too to be included in the blog?
Silverwing Benoir: I don't mind
Pema Pera: thanks!
Chiaiu Chiung: as said, no problem for me
Pema Pera: no need to be added to a group -- these gatherings are open to anyone
kermit Xaris: :)
kermit Xaris: ty
Aurora Kitaj: Kermit just so you know, these Play as Being session take place 4 time a day every day. The chat logs are recorded and posted up on the the wiki that I sent you the link to earlier on. If you would prefer to remain anonymous, please let me know ;)
Pema Pera: (sorry if I were repeating what Aurora had already told you earlier)
kermit Xaris: :)
kermit Xaris: its absolutely ok
Aurora Kitaj: Great thanks Kermit.
kermit Xaris: and i dont have any fear so i can be public as well as anonymous
kermit Xaris: ty too
Aurora Kitaj: Just to double check that this is ok for you too Silverwing ;)
Pema Pera: Silverwing, as for what we're normally talk about, the main topic is our exploration of reality
Pema Pera: which we start by spending a few seconds several times an hour :-)
Silverwing Benoir: yes you can put my part on the blog
Pema Pera: and let it ripple from there
Pema Pera: has anyone explained our 9-sec approach yet?
Aurora Kitaj: no sorry Pema, I haven't done this yet
Silverwing Benoir: not to me
Pema Pera: so the basic idea is to spend 1% of our time on a kind of "time tax"
kermit Xaris: :)
Samuel Okelly: i think it is quite refreshing to know you will be held accountable for what you say ;-)
Pema Pera: every fifteen minutes, i.e. 900 seconds, we spend 9 seconds dropping what we were engaged in
Silverwing Benoir: can we flunk?
Pema Pera: in other words dropping what you have to find what you are
Pema Pera: very simple instructions, but we spend a lot of time sharing what happens when we try to do this
Zen Arado: in Zen we try to do this all the time
Pema Pera: nothing strict, all very informal, impossible to flunk :-)
Silverwing Benoir: it sounds sort of ADD lol
Zen Arado: trying to stay in the present moment
Pema Pera: yes, that's the idea
Aurora Kitaj: ADD ?
Zen Arado: but the reminders are a good thing
Silverwing Benoir: attention deficit disorder :-)
Silverwing Benoir: ADDs can't concentrate
Samuel Okelly: it is my understanding taht this is perfectly in keeping with all christian views of prayer
Pema Pera: the difference with, say, zen practice, is that we trade duration for frequency; instead of half an hour every day we spend far shorter times, but far more every day
Aurora Kitaj: Guessed, this might be the case
Aurora Kitaj: hello Avastu,
Pema Pera: hi Avastu!!!
Aurora Kitaj: Please take a seat ;)
Pema Pera: Great to see you again!!!
Pema Pera: long time no see
Avastu Maruti: hello my friends
Zen Arado: I think the idea in Zen is that the meditation practice spills over into the rest of our lives
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Avastu
kermit Xaris: hello Avastu
Zen Arado: so that we become more mindful all of the time
Pema Pera: yes, that is our idea too, Zen
Zen Arado: sure yes
Aurora Kitaj: Avastu, before you arrived we were talking about the purpose of Play as Being sessions.
Pema Pera: but if you tell people to be aware all the time, that is tough to follow through -- 9 sec at a time is an easier step-up
Aurora Kitaj: Hi Visitor1, take a seat ;)
Zen Arado: yes I can see that
Aurora Kitaj: Nice to see you again;)
Zen Arado: but of course I wuld recommend meditation
Visitor1: wait 4 people to rez
Scathach Rhiadra: and the 15 mins come around very quickly, don't get a chance to leave the experience completely
Pema Pera: many people to both, the 9-sec exploration and more traditional forms of practice
Pema Pera: *do both
Aurora Kitaj: We are talking about the purpose of Play as Being sessions and before that we were talking aboiut the book Silverwing has just published ;)
Visitor1: ok
Samuel Okelly: isn't there an innate contradiction in seeking to consciously rid the mind of all thought?
Aurora Kitaj: I think Zen has just crashed ;(
Pema Pera: he rid his avatar of all thoughts . . .
Samuel Okelly: :)
Silverwing Benoir: It seems impossible to rid your mind of all thoughts
Scathach Rhiadra: :)
Silverwing Benoir: the harder I try the more I think
Aurora Kitaj: Wb Zen ;)
Aurora Kitaj: come take a seat;)
Pema Pera: letting your mind grow calmer is perhaps a different approach
Pema Pera: or letting yourself not be bothered so much by the uncalmness
Chiaiu Chiung: or observing the thoughts instead of trying to stop them
Zen Arado: yes
Scathach Rhiadra nods
Tenk Kidd: Unconscious thought - I doubt that can be stilled - conscious thought, perhaps you can simplify your focus and slow down a bit?
Silverwing Benoir: how can you observe a thought?
Zen Arado: it getting away from 'doing mode
Pema Pera: yes, Chiaiu
Pema Pera: observing is far better than trying to suppress, deny, or manipulate
Chiaiu Chiung: you can observer it if you no longer identify with the origin of the thoughts
Zen Arado: you cant stop thoights
Pema Pera: Silverwing, you just try :)
Silverwing Benoir: isn't conscious thought just talking to yourself?
Zen Arado: you just focus on your breath or something
Silverwing Benoir: you can talk more slowly then...
Samuel Okelly: though posing its own difficulties, I see the endeavour of trying to focus our thought on one idea in particular seems much more attainable
Pema Pera: interesting, chiaiu, can you say more about that?
Pema Pera: they are complementary methods, Sam
Pema Pera: focus on one, or on all thoughts
Samuel Okelly: it is on this distictinction that i have struggled with buddist forms of meditation
Chiaiu Chiung: hard to explain, but unwanted thoughts seem to stop when you oberserve them from "outside"
Zen Arado: we are usually caught up in our thoughts Sam
Zen Arado: it a process of letting them go
Pema Pera: yes, Chiaiu, and looking for the source of thoughts is a wonderful kind of exploration
Pema Pera: just watching thoughts, to see where they come from and where they go to .. . . .
Zen Arado: return to a concentration device every time they carry you away
Zen Arado: yes
Silverwing Benoir: where thoughts come from.. that's an interesting idea
Zen Arado: you notice them instead of being immersed in them
Samuel Okelly: is this any different to analysing random dream patterns?
Silverwing Benoir: you mean you pick them apart? analyze them?
Zen Arado: the brain produces them
Pema Pera: we only see our thoughts after they are already formed, usually; very hard to catch them in the act of appearing
Zen Arado: no just note what they are and release them
Pema Pera: looking at their arising is different from analyzing them
Pema Pera: it's like a switch from content to texture
Silverwing Benoir: what do you get out of noticing and releasing?
Pema Pera: like looking at a painting to see the paint
Pema Pera: you try it and tell me :-)
Zen Arado: you arent tossed about by hen so much
Samuel Okelly: i.e. that the brain attempts to organise apparant random electrical impulses
Zen Arado: they are good servants but bad masters
Tenk Kidd: perhaps thoughts are your own internal personal commentary on how you percieve reality or your own concept of it
Zen Arado: science looks at them from the outside
Pema Pera: (seriously, Silverwing, no reason to ask others what you get out of it; you can do it for ten minutes, and see for yourself!)
Zen Arado: yes
Silverwing Benoir: I will, thanks
Pema Pera: and let us know, please
Zen Arado: it isnt an analytic process
Pema Pera: what is different here with respect to "philosophy groups" is that we don't speculate
Pema Pera: we explore and compare notes
Pema Pera: all very direct and practical
Pema Pera: and friendly and informal
Silverwing Benoir: do you do this with eyes open or closed?
Pema Pera: either way is fine
Pema Pera: good to do both and explore the difference
Zen Arado: in zen they say open slightly is best
Silverwing Benoir: because open eyes bring in a flood of stimuli which creates many thoughts
Zen Arado: it keeps you in touch with reality
Pema Pera: or the other way around; sitting in front of a white wall can be more calming that closing your eyes and letting your mind dream
Zen Arado: closed eyes allow you to daydream more
Zen Arado: but it is a personal choice
Samuel Okelly: i can only add that speaking as a christian that prays to God, we contemplate and submit our prayer and await a response... in many ways the 9sec rule is the same even with a tremporal restriction
Pema Pera: and yes, half-closed is indeed a very good compromise
Pema Pera: yes, Sam, it connects with any religion
Pema Pera: it is a form of respecting reality
Pema Pera: by dropping our own judging
Pema Pera: and opening up to what is
Zen Arado: contemplative prayer is very like meditation
Pema Pera: yes
Samuel Okelly: i agree zen but to my surprise many ppl disagree
Silverwing Benoir: sorry everyone i have to leave but please invite me again
Pema Pera: feel free to drop by any time Silver
Zen Arado: bye
Pema Pera: 1 am 7 am 1 pm 7 pm
Pema Pera: four times a day
kermit Xaris: bye Silver
Silverwing Benoir: 1 7 1 7 got it
Aurora Kitaj: Certainly well Silverwing, pleasure to have you:)))
Samuel Okelly: tc sil :)
Aurora Kitaj: Good luck with your book sales ;)
Scathach Rhiadra: bye Silverwing
Tenk Kidd: Bye Silverwing!
Visitor1: Byeee
Silverwing Benoir: bye everyone!
Zen Arado: these meetings are quite Budhist sometimes :)
Pema Pera: fortunately not everybody here is Buddhist
Tenk Kidd: Is it possible to get a meditative benefit from an intense focus on an absorbing activity, like rock climbing or riding a motorbike fast?
Zen Arado: there seem to be a lot of us here
Pema Pera: I'm not, for example :)
Pema Pera: It's related to some extent, Tenk
Chiaiu Chiung: Tenk, I would say yes
Zen Arado: they talk about 'being in the zone'
Visitor1: I think so
Zen Arado: very like a deep concentrative meditation
Aurora Kitaj: For me it's running ... that's my meditation
Visitor1: Knitting, reading focusing on certain things are forms of meditation
Zen Arado: yes anything that focusses the mind
Chiaiu Chiung: everything can be meditation it seems
Zen Arado: and makes us pay attention to the present moment
Tenk Kidd: I think some physical activity causes a change in mental state through endorphin release
Aurora Kitaj: licking envelopes can be meditative
Zen Arado: yes that too Tenk
Chiaiu Chiung: or doing the dishes
Aurora Kitaj: especially so for women apparently
Zen Arado: yes if you do it mindfully
Aurora Kitaj: means that we are much less likely to get depressed
Pema Pera: one of the great aspects of the 9 sec every 15 minutes is that you learn to be meditative under all circumstances -- since every 15 minutes you may be doing something else
Tenk Kidd: painting a wall is good (or is that the solvent fumes...)
Aurora Kitaj: physical activity, that is
Zen Arado: but you can do these things on automatic
Zen Arado: as well
Chiaiu Chiung: one question: ...
Chiaiu Chiung: how are you reminded all 900 sec?
Pema Pera: some people use an alarm clock, or computer bell as software
Pema Pera: others, like me, just sort of guesstimate
Tenk Kidd: as biofeedback?
Pema Pera: either way is fine
Pema Pera: that's a bit different, I think
Avastu Maruti: goodbye my friends
Scathach Rhiadra: in the beginning it can be helpful to use some alarm or clock, to get into the habit of stopping every 15 mins or so
Visitor1: I must go...............it has been great, thanx everyone
Samuel Okelly: tc popp :)
kermit Xaris: bye Avastu
Tenk Kidd: Bye!
Pema Pera: by Visitor1, be sure to come back!
Aurora Kitaj: Good bye Avastu, nice to meet you;)
kermit Xaris: bye Poppie
Chiaiu Chiung: I will go, tooo - someone is waiting for me
Pema Pera: four times a day we're here :)
Scathach Rhiadra: bye Avastu, Visitor1
Chiaiu Chiung: it was very interesting
Visitor1: byeeeeeeeeeeeeee x x x x x x
Pema Pera: 1 am 7 am 1 pm 7 pm
Chiaiu Chiung: nice to meet you alll
Aurora Kitaj: Thanks for coming Chiaiu, nice to see you again
Pema Pera: plenty of opportunities
Zen Arado: bye
Scathach Rhiadra: bye Chiaiu
Chiaiu Chiung: 1 7 1 7 think i will come back again
Pema Pera: actuality it is time for me to leave too
Chiaiu Chiung: :)
Aurora Kitaj: and Visitor1 also, we will speak later ;)
Pema Pera: Great to see so many new faces today!
Samuel Okelly: tc chi :)
Scathach Rhiadra: bye Pema
Zen Arado: bye Pema
Chiaiu Chiung: bye
Aurora Kitaj: thanks for coming Pema and for every one's contribution
Pema Pera: and have so many fascinating conversations!
Pema Pera: thank you Aurora, for being our greeter guardian!
kermit Xaris: bye Pema
Aurora Kitaj: Thanks Pema, my pleasure :)
Pema Pera: bfn
Aurora Kitaj: Thanks for focussing on the 90 rule
Scathach Rhiadra: well, I must leave too, see you all again soon:)
Aurora Kitaj: Thanks for coming Scath and for your contibution
Zen Arado: bye Scath
Samuel Okelly: tc sca :)
kermit Xaris: bye Scathach
Tenk Kidd: Bye Scathatch
Scathach Rhiadra: ake care all:)
kermit Xaris: my contribution at this talking is great
Aurora Kitaj: Same to you too Scath
kermit Xaris: i told hi and bye until now
Scathach Rhiadra: ah, tp is not working again
Samuel Okelly: think i will go now too... will the last person here turn off the lights? ;)
Zen Arado: bye Sam
Aurora Kitaj: Sam, thanks so much for your contibution :)
kermit Xaris: bye Samuel
Samuel Okelly: tc every1 :)
Tenk Kidd: Bye Sam!
Zen Arado: there is a buddhist video just starting at Kannonji
Aurora Kitaj: Pleasecome again ;)
Zen Arado: so I should go and see that
Scathach Rhiadra: heh, stuck here:)
Aurora Kitaj: Kermit thanks so much coming by and hope to see you again sooon :)
kermit Xaris: i hope so
kermit Xaris: thx for inviteing me
Tenk Kidd: Nice to meet you kermit
kermit Xaris: nice to meet you Tenk
kermit Xaris: bye Tenk! bye Aurora
Tenk Kidd: Bye!
Aurora Kitaj: Please come again kermit and Tenk!
Aurora Kitaj: bye
Tenk Kidd: Will do!
kermit Xaris: as time i will receive im as reminders i will try to be here
Aurora Kitaj: I will be happy to provide these if you are around Kermit or you could join Play as Beging
kermit Xaris: its all about zen?
kermit Xaris: or are different subjects at your talkings?
Aurora Kitaj: yes Kermit, the topic is dependent on what ppl want to discuss
Aurora Kitaj: just have a look on the wiki to get an idea of hte different
Aurora Kitaj: topics we discuss
kermit Xaris: thats great
Aurora Kitaj: the only thing we try to aim is that ppl wil not be offended
Aurora Kitaj: by conversations, but outside that as long as we don't wander about too much
Aurora Kitaj: anything goes
Zen Arado: the discussions are usually quite amicable
kermit Xaris: i saw
kermit Xaris: interesting
Zen Arado: I think wandering is ok :)
Zen Arado: Aurora?
kermit Xaris: hope next time i will have more words then hey and bye
kermit Xaris: :)
kermit Xaris: ok
kermit Xaris: byr for now
Zen Arado: bye kermit
kermit Xaris: bye
kermit Xaris: bye Zen
Aurora Kitaj: Hello Zen, where did you pop up from!
kermit Xaris: Bye Aurora
Aurora Kitaj: Sorry thought you had gone ;)
Fefonz Quan: hi, guess i got here at the end :)
Zen Arado: no
Aurora Kitaj: Oh byeeee kermit
Zen Arado: was thinking about it
Aurora Kitaj: Oh sorry Fonz, the sessions has just finished
Fefonz Quan: i see, hope it was enjoyable :)
Aurora Kitaj: we actually went back to talking about the purpose of PaB
Zen Arado: yes
Aurora Kitaj: Pema brought us back to the basics
Fefonz Quan: sounds interesting
Zen Arado: I forgot who he was
Aurora Kitaj: and we had a really interesting discussion on thoughts and
Aurora Kitaj: how being more reflective can help to de stress us
Aurora Kitaj: would you say that was about right Zen?
Zen Arado: yes sure
Fefonz Quan: i would love to read it, guess i should wait for the post
Aurora Kitaj: Oh.... fonz.... yes... i'm not a very good guardian am I?
Fefonz Quan: why not?
Aurora Kitaj: Still have to post last week's session
Aurora Kitaj: naughty me
Aurora Kitaj: I blame the snow
Zen Arado: tch tch :)
Aurora Kitaj: couldn't get to work for 2 days
Zen Arado: yes thats it
Zen Arado: ha ha
Fefonz Quan fefonz is the last to juat late people :)
Aurora Kitaj: that really put the schedule out
Fefonz Quan: judge
Aurora Kitaj: but now you will get 2 for the price of one ;)
Aurora Kitaj: Promise
Fefonz Quan: :)
Aurora Kitaj: sorry
Fefonz Quan: (you can send me the recorded log link to read,
Fefonz Quan: though it is a little unusual
Fefonz Quan: is there a big lag today?
Aurora Kitaj: Sorry Visitor2, session has just finished there is another at 7pm
Aurora Kitaj: Do you want it now Fonz?
Aurora Kitaj: Or when I've edited?
Fefonz Quan: will b enice :)
Nik Barak: hey, what is this place?
Aurora Kitaj: When I've edited, will be in a couple of days
Aurora Kitaj: Sorry Visitor2 this is play as being pavillion
Aurora Kitaj: here is some more info http://playasbeing.wik.is/
Aurora Kitaj: this is a wiki telling you about what happens here and when it happens
Fefonz Quan said it'll be nice to get it now, for afternoon read, but no rush needed, Ayrora :)
Aurora Kitaj: sorry must go now
Visitor2: ohhh.
Aurora Kitaj: bye Visitor2 and Fonz
Visitor2: bye
Fefonz Quan: bye
Aurora Kitaj: Have a look at the wiki Visitor2
Aurora Kitaj: good luck
Visitor2: uhh, sure