2009.02.07 13:00 - PaB and Six Sigma

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    Wol Euler recovered this session from the autologging database and suggested a provisional title. Aurora was the guardian.

    Aurora Kitaj: Hi there Chiaiu, make yourself at home, take a seat
    Aurora Kitaj: you can sit anywhere ... tell me how are you finding sl?
    Zen Arado: Hi Chiaiu
    Zen Arado: :)
    Chiaiu Chiung: Hi Zen
    Aurora Kitaj: I know that you are new here... I hope us avis are behaving ourselves ;))
    Aurora Kitaj: Being polite and helpful
    Chiaiu Chiung: :)
    Zen Arado: Hi Silverwing
    Silverwing Benoir: Hi everyone
    Chiaiu Chiung: hi silverwing
    Aurora Kitaj: Hello there Silverwing, great to see you and thanks for coming along
    Aurora Kitaj: Hi Scath
    Aurora Kitaj: welcome
    Silverwing Benoir: are you typing or in voice?
    Zen Arado: Hi Scath
    Aurora Kitaj: Typing
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Aurora:)
    Aurora Kitaj: Hello there
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Zen:)
    Zen Arado: you are getting deep Scath :)
    Aurora Kitaj: You probably haven't had time to look at the wiki I sent for you Silverwing and Chiaiu, but Play as Being discussions take place 4 times a day every day
    Scathach Rhiadra: yes, can't seem to get AOs that work:)
    Aurora Kitaj: the discussion we have is recorded on chat log and is posted up on the wiki
    Zen Arado: happens to all of us :)
    Chiaiu Chiung: I see
    Aurora Kitaj: so if you would rather remain anonymous, I can arrange this
    Chiaiu Chiung: should be no problem for me
    Aurora Kitaj: The discussion topic is set by those present
    Silverwing Benoir: I didn't get any wiki url
    Aurora Kitaj: thanks Chiaiu
    Zen Arado: I wondr if anyone ever reads them?
    Aurora Kitaj: http://playasbeing.wik.is/
    Scathach Rhiadra: yes Zen, many people read all the logs:)
    Zen Arado: That'sgood
    Aurora Kitaj: I keep a couple almost by my bedside ;)
    Zen Arado: yes for when you can't get to sleep!
    Aurora Kitaj: only 12 legged avis tonight Tenk lol
    Aurora Kitaj: Come as you are ;)
    Zen Arado: Although I must admit I enjoyed most of the discussions here
    Zen Arado: in fact all of them so far
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Tenk:)
    Tenk Kidd: Hello !
    Zen Arado: Hi Tenk
    Chiaiu Chiung: hi
    Aurora Kitaj: Hello there Tenk :)
    Zen Arado: These essages are out of sync for me
    Aurora Kitaj: I'm wecoming Chiaiu and Silverwing to PaB for the first time
    Tenk Kidd: Whew - not sat on anyone ;)
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Aurora Kitaj: Hello Pema ;)
    Zen Arado: Hi pema
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Pema:)
    Pema Pera: Hi everybody!
    Tenk Kidd: Hi Pema!
    Aurora Kitaj: Do what have ppl been up to this week?
    Aurora Kitaj: Something that you would like to share?
    Aurora Kitaj: We've had really bad snow here in London
    Silverwing Benoir: I finished my book
    Zen Arado: Staying indoors out of the snow
    Aurora Kitaj: Congratulations Silverwing ;)
    Zen Arado: what book was that?
    Aurora Kitaj: you must be relieved
    Silverwing Benoir: it's a huge reliev
    Aurora Kitaj: Hi Sam ;)
    Aurora Kitaj: Come and take a seat
    Silverwing Benoir: it's a boring book
    Zen Arado: Hi Sam
    Samuel Okelly: hello every1 :)
    Zen Arado: you ha to study it?
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Samuel
    Pema Pera: Hi Sam!
    Aurora Kitaj: Can you say what it's about please Silverwing?
    Silverwing Benoir: I didn't study it, I wrote it
    Silverwing Benoir: the title is Lean Six Sigma for the CIO
    Zen Arado: 0I see
    Silverwing Benoir: it's what I teach in RL
    Samuel Okelly: :)
    Silverwing Benoir: sorry, not about philosophy
    Zen Arado: I have no idea what that is :)
    Pema Pera: can you unveal some of the secrets?
    Tenk Kidd: Hi Sam :)
    Aurora Kitaj: np Silverwing
    Aurora Kitaj: yes please
    Silverwing Benoir: sure
    Silverwing Benoir: Lean is a methodology of improving business processes by reducing wasteful activities
    Silverwing Benoir: Six Sigma is a methodology to improve processes by improving quality
    Zen Arado: oh that sounds more interesting
    Silverwing Benoir: SS is a quantitative, data based approach using lots of statistics
    Zen Arado: I thouht it was computer languages are something
    Silverwing Benoir: no computer languages
    Pema Pera: "lean" is very much like Play as Being -- subtracting rather than adding -- dropping what you have to see what you really are
    Zen Arado: sounds like Zen!
    Silverwing Benoir: good analogy. in Lean we systematically eliminate all that is not needed
    Chiaiu Chiung: where do you start with?
    Silverwing Benoir: we start with cleanliness
    Silverwing Benoir: cleaning up your 'house' as it were
    Silverwing Benoir: getting rid of stuff you dont' need
    Zen Arado: you probably finish up eliminating jobs to?
    Chiaiu Chiung: like that feng shui bestseller
    Scathach Rhiadra: ah, spring cleaning:)
    Silverwing Benoir: don't usually eliminate jobs but you might
    Tenk Kidd: what methods do you use to make sure you don't mistakenly excluse something essential early on?
    Silverwing Benoir: ah, no formal way to do that. we rely on the expertise of the individuals to know what they need
    Silverwing Benoir: and use a rule of thumb that if you don't use something at least once a month, get rid of it
    Zen Arado: It is a bottom-up approach?
    Silverwing Benoir: very much so
    Zen Arado: Or who decides?
    Tenk Kidd: fire extinguisher?
    Silverwing Benoir: fire extinguisher is not a part of a process
    Silverwing Benoir: we focus on stuff necessary to do work
    Zen Arado: Do you use anything like work-study techniques?
    Silverwing Benoir: what do you mean?
    Zen Arado: well what you are saying reminds me of the way they used to time people doing jobs
    Zen Arado: and then cut out wasteful activities
    Aurora Kitaj: you mean time and motion?
    Zen Arado: yes
    Silverwing Benoir: time and motion is a very old fashioned way of efficiency management
    Silverwing Benoir: doesn't work very well
    Zen Arado: that's what I think too
    Zen Arado: I can't remember why
    Scathach Rhiadra: isn't six sigma used in Project management?
    Silverwing Benoir: it focuses on the wrong thing
    Zen Arado: I think it reduced people to mchines
    Zen Arado: yes
    Silverwing Benoir: you asked if Lean is bottom up
    Silverwing Benoir: it's also top down at the same time
    Silverwing Benoir: we study the process overall and look for system efficies
    Silverwing Benoir: and improve it simultaneo9usly from the bottom up
    Zen Arado: interesting
    Zen Arado: I studied systems theories one time
    Silverwing Benoir: the focus is not on people's time it's on how long stuff spends waiting
    Zen Arado: it might have something in common with that?
    Silverwing Benoir: yes, this is a branch of systems theory
    Aurora Kitaj: Can I be devils advocate and suggest that an efficient and harmonious business process is one where the workers and manages are listened to;)
    Aurora Kitaj: if is that grossly oversimplifing it?
    Silverwing Benoir: too simple
    Silverwing Benoir: you and I can talk and hear each other
    Silverwing Benoir: but if we are moving towards an impractical goal we'll both be wasting time
    Zen Arado: I remember you had to look at the overall system
    Tenk Kidd: SS - is it more to do with process efficiencies, error eliminations, or both?
    Silverwing Benoir: it's not about being nice to each other although that helps
    Silverwing Benoir: SS is mostly error eliminations
    Silverwing Benoir: Lean is mostly process efficiencies
    Zen Arado: I studied that stuff 30 years ago
    Zen Arado: I'm sure it has changed a lot since then
    Silverwing Benoir: yes principles which were thought to be inviolate then are not considered heresey!
    Silverwing Benoir: now...
    Zen Arado: it was a move away from a reductionist analysis to 1 that was more holistic
    Aurora Kitaj: Hello Kermit, please take a seat ;)
    kermit Xaris: hello Aurora
    Pema Pera: Hi Kermit
    kermit Xaris: hello everybody
    Aurora Kitaj: we are talking about the book that Silverwing has just published ;)
    Zen Arado: Hi Kermit
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Kermit
    kermit Xaris: hi Zen hi Scathach
    kermit Xaris: hello Pema
    Silverwing Benoir: Hi folks
    Aurora Kitaj: Nice to see you Kermit
    Samuel Okelly: hey ker :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: I like the idea that you can work from both ends
    kermit Xaris: hey Samuel
    Silverwing Benoir: what does this group normally talk about?
    kermit Xaris: sorry i was late
    Zen Arado: I wondr if second life needs this approach?
    Zen Arado: It is ll such a big mess!
    Aurora Kitaj: Silverwing, it's probably too early, but do you have a url ... an abstract of your book that ppl could have if they want know know a little more?
    Pema Pera: Have you been here before, Kermit?
    Silverwing Benoir: I do not have either Aurora. I'll have one in a few months
    kermit Xaris: no Pema
    kermit Xaris: is first time
    Silverwing Benoir: the book production process is very slow. It will take them about 5 months to publish it
    Pema Pera: We get together a few times a day to chat about the nature of reality, and everything else, and we have a wiki http://playasbeing.wik.is/ -- We record our conversations there. Do you mind being included in our blogs?
    Silverwing Benoir: I have that much time to build my web site
    Zen Arado: that can be time-consuming
    kermit Xaris: as time i dont need to add a group i will be happy
    Pema Pera: Chiaiu and Silverwing, is it okay with you too to be included in the blog?
    Silverwing Benoir: I don't mind
    Pema Pera: thanks!
    Chiaiu Chiung: as said, no problem for me
    Pema Pera: no need to be added to a group -- these gatherings are open to anyone
    kermit Xaris: :)
    kermit Xaris: ty
    Aurora Kitaj: Kermit just so you know, these Play as Being session take place 4 time a day every day. The chat logs are recorded and posted up on the the wiki that I sent you the link to earlier on. If you would prefer to remain anonymous, please let me know ;)
    Pema Pera: (sorry if I were repeating what Aurora had already told you earlier)
    kermit Xaris: :)
    kermit Xaris: its absolutely ok
    Aurora Kitaj: Great thanks Kermit.
    kermit Xaris: and i dont have any fear so i can be public as well as anonymous
    kermit Xaris: ty too
    Aurora Kitaj: Just to double check that this is ok for you too Silverwing ;)
    Pema Pera: Silverwing, as for what we're normally talk about, the main topic is our exploration of reality
    Pema Pera: which we start by spending a few seconds several times an hour :-)
    Silverwing Benoir: yes you can put my part on the blog
    Pema Pera: and let it ripple from there
    Pema Pera: has anyone explained our 9-sec approach yet?
    Aurora Kitaj: no sorry Pema, I haven't done this yet
    Silverwing Benoir: not to me
    Pema Pera: so the basic idea is to spend 1% of our time on a kind of "time tax"
    kermit Xaris: :)
    Samuel Okelly: i think it is quite refreshing to know you will be held accountable for what you say ;-)
    Pema Pera: every fifteen minutes, i.e. 900 seconds, we spend 9 seconds dropping what we were engaged in
    Silverwing Benoir: can we flunk?
    Pema Pera: in other words dropping what you have to find what you are
    Pema Pera: very simple instructions, but we spend a lot of time sharing what happens when we try to do this
    Zen Arado: in Zen we try to do this all the time
    Pema Pera: nothing strict, all very informal, impossible to flunk :-)
    Silverwing Benoir: it sounds sort of ADD lol
    Zen Arado: trying to stay in the present moment
    Pema Pera: yes, that's the idea
    Aurora Kitaj: ADD ?
    Zen Arado: but the reminders are a good thing
    Silverwing Benoir: attention deficit disorder :-)
    Silverwing Benoir: ADDs can't concentrate
    Samuel Okelly: it is my understanding taht this is perfectly in keeping with all christian views of prayer
    Pema Pera: the difference with, say, zen practice, is that we trade duration for frequency; instead of half an hour every day we spend far shorter times, but far more every day
    Aurora Kitaj: Guessed, this might be the case
    Aurora Kitaj: hello Avastu,
    Pema Pera: hi Avastu!!!
    Aurora Kitaj: Please take a seat ;)
    Pema Pera: Great to see you again!!!
    Pema Pera: long time no see
    Avastu Maruti: hello my friends
    Zen Arado: I think the idea in Zen is that the meditation practice spills over into the rest of our lives
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Avastu
    kermit Xaris: hello Avastu
    Zen Arado: so that we become more mindful all of the time
    Pema Pera: yes, that is our idea too, Zen
    Zen Arado: sure yes
    Aurora Kitaj: Avastu, before you arrived we were talking about the purpose of Play as Being sessions.
    Pema Pera: but if you tell people to be aware all the time, that is tough to follow through -- 9 sec at a time is an easier step-up
    Aurora Kitaj: Hi Visitor1, take a seat ;)
    Zen Arado: yes I can see that
    Aurora Kitaj: Nice to see you again;)
    Zen Arado: but of course I wuld recommend meditation
    Visitor1: wait 4 people to rez
    Scathach Rhiadra: and the 15 mins come around very quickly, don't get a chance to leave the experience completely
    Pema Pera: many people to both, the 9-sec exploration and more traditional forms of practice
    Pema Pera: *do both
    Aurora Kitaj: We are talking about the purpose of Play as Being sessions and before that we were talking aboiut the book Silverwing has just published ;)
    Visitor1: ok
    Samuel Okelly: isn't there an innate contradiction in seeking to consciously rid the mind of all thought?
    Aurora Kitaj: I think Zen has just crashed ;(
    Pema Pera: he rid his avatar of all thoughts . . .
    Samuel Okelly: :)
    Silverwing Benoir: It seems impossible to rid your mind of all thoughts
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Silverwing Benoir: the harder I try the more I think
    Aurora Kitaj: Wb Zen ;)
    Aurora Kitaj: come take a seat;)
    Pema Pera: letting your mind grow calmer is perhaps a different approach
    Pema Pera: or letting yourself not be bothered so much by the uncalmness
    Chiaiu Chiung: or observing the thoughts instead of trying to stop them
    Zen Arado: yes
    Scathach Rhiadra nods
    Tenk Kidd: Unconscious thought - I doubt that can be stilled - conscious thought, perhaps you can simplify your focus and slow down a bit?
    Silverwing Benoir: how can you observe a thought?
    Zen Arado: it getting away from 'doing mode
    Pema Pera: yes, Chiaiu
    Pema Pera: observing is far better than trying to suppress, deny, or manipulate
    Chiaiu Chiung: you can observer it if you no longer identify with the origin of the thoughts
    Zen Arado: you cant stop thoights
    Pema Pera: Silverwing, you just try :)
    Silverwing Benoir: isn't conscious thought just talking to yourself?
    Zen Arado: you just focus on your breath or something
    Silverwing Benoir: you can talk more slowly then...
    Samuel Okelly: though posing its own difficulties, I see the endeavour of trying to focus our thought on one idea in particular seems much more attainable
    Pema Pera: interesting, chiaiu, can you say more about that?
    Pema Pera: they are complementary methods, Sam
    Pema Pera: focus on one, or on all thoughts
    Samuel Okelly: it is on this distictinction that i have struggled with buddist forms of meditation
    Chiaiu Chiung: hard to explain, but unwanted thoughts seem to stop when you oberserve them from "outside"
    Zen Arado: we are usually caught up in our thoughts Sam
    Zen Arado: it a process of letting them go
    Pema Pera: yes, Chiaiu, and looking for the source of thoughts is a wonderful kind of exploration
    Pema Pera: just watching thoughts, to see where they come from and where they go to .. . . .
    Zen Arado: return to a concentration device every time they carry you away
    Zen Arado: yes
    Silverwing Benoir: where thoughts come from.. that's an interesting idea
    Zen Arado: you notice them instead of being immersed in them
    Samuel Okelly: is this any different to analysing random dream patterns?
    Silverwing Benoir: you mean you pick them apart? analyze them?
    Zen Arado: the brain produces them
    Pema Pera: we only see our thoughts after they are already formed, usually; very hard to catch them in the act of appearing
    Zen Arado: no just note what they are and release them
    Pema Pera: looking at their arising is different from analyzing them
    Pema Pera: it's like a switch from content to texture
    Silverwing Benoir: what do you get out of noticing and releasing?
    Pema Pera: like looking at a painting to see the paint
    Pema Pera: you try it and tell me :-)
    Zen Arado: you arent tossed about by hen so much
    Samuel Okelly: i.e. that the brain attempts to organise apparant random electrical impulses
    Zen Arado: they are good servants but bad masters
    Tenk Kidd: perhaps thoughts are your own internal personal commentary on how you percieve reality or your own concept of it
    Zen Arado: science looks at them from the outside
    Pema Pera: (seriously, Silverwing, no reason to ask others what you get out of it; you can do it for ten minutes, and see for yourself!)
    Zen Arado: yes
    Silverwing Benoir: I will, thanks
    Pema Pera: and let us know, please
    Zen Arado: it isnt an analytic process
    Pema Pera: what is different here with respect to "philosophy groups" is that we don't speculate
    Pema Pera: we explore and compare notes
    Pema Pera: all very direct and practical
    Pema Pera: and friendly and informal
    Silverwing Benoir: do you do this with eyes open or closed?
    Pema Pera: either way is fine
    Pema Pera: good to do both and explore the difference
    Zen Arado: in zen they say open slightly is best
    Silverwing Benoir: because open eyes bring in a flood of stimuli which creates many thoughts
    Zen Arado: it keeps you in touch with reality
    Pema Pera: or the other way around; sitting in front of a white wall can be more calming that closing your eyes and letting your mind dream
    Zen Arado: closed eyes allow you to daydream more
    Zen Arado: but it is a personal choice
    Samuel Okelly: i can only add that speaking as a christian that prays to God, we contemplate and submit our prayer and await a response... in many ways the 9sec rule is the same even with a tremporal restriction
    Pema Pera: and yes, half-closed is indeed a very good compromise
    Pema Pera: yes, Sam, it connects with any religion
    Pema Pera: it is a form of respecting reality
    Pema Pera: by dropping our own judging
    Pema Pera: and opening up to what is
    Zen Arado: contemplative prayer is very like meditation
    Pema Pera: yes
    Samuel Okelly: i agree zen but to my surprise many ppl disagree
    Silverwing Benoir: sorry everyone i have to leave but please invite me again
    Pema Pera: feel free to drop by any time Silver
    Zen Arado: bye
    Pema Pera: 1 am 7 am 1 pm 7 pm
    Pema Pera: four times a day
    kermit Xaris: bye Silver
    Silverwing Benoir: 1 7 1 7 got it
    Aurora Kitaj: Certainly well Silverwing, pleasure to have you:)))
    Samuel Okelly: tc sil :)
    Aurora Kitaj: Good luck with your book sales ;)
    Scathach Rhiadra: bye Silverwing
    Tenk Kidd: Bye Silverwing!
    Visitor1: Byeee
    Silverwing Benoir: bye everyone!
    Zen Arado: these meetings are quite Budhist sometimes :)
    Pema Pera: fortunately not everybody here is Buddhist
    Tenk Kidd: Is it possible to get a meditative benefit from an intense focus on an absorbing activity, like rock climbing or riding a motorbike fast?
    Zen Arado: there seem to be a lot of us here
    Pema Pera: I'm not, for example :)
    Pema Pera: It's related to some extent, Tenk
    Chiaiu Chiung: Tenk, I would say yes
    Zen Arado: they talk about 'being in the zone'
    Visitor1: I think so
    Zen Arado: very like a deep concentrative meditation
    Aurora Kitaj: For me it's running ... that's my meditation
    Visitor1: Knitting, reading focusing on certain things are forms of meditation
    Zen Arado: yes anything that focusses the mind
    Chiaiu Chiung: everything can be meditation it seems
    Zen Arado: and makes us pay attention to the present moment
    Tenk Kidd: I think some physical activity causes a change in mental state through endorphin release
    Aurora Kitaj: licking envelopes can be meditative
    Zen Arado: yes that too Tenk
    Chiaiu Chiung: or doing the dishes
    Aurora Kitaj: especially so for women apparently
    Zen Arado: yes if you do it mindfully
    Aurora Kitaj: means that we are much less likely to get depressed
    Pema Pera: one of the great aspects of the 9 sec every 15 minutes is that you learn to be meditative under all circumstances -- since every 15 minutes you may be doing something else
    Tenk Kidd: painting a wall is good (or is that the solvent fumes...)
    Aurora Kitaj: physical activity, that is
    Zen Arado: but you can do these things on automatic
    Zen Arado: as well
    Chiaiu Chiung: one question: ...
    Chiaiu Chiung: how are you reminded all 900 sec?
    Pema Pera: some people use an alarm clock, or computer bell as software
    Pema Pera: others, like me, just sort of guesstimate
    Tenk Kidd: as biofeedback?
    Pema Pera: either way is fine
    Pema Pera: that's a bit different, I think
    Avastu Maruti: goodbye my friends
    Scathach Rhiadra: in the beginning it can be helpful to use some alarm or clock, to get into the habit of stopping every 15 mins or so
    Visitor1: I must go...............it has been great, thanx everyone
    Samuel Okelly: tc popp :)
    kermit Xaris: bye Avastu
    Tenk Kidd: Bye!
    Pema Pera: by Visitor1, be sure to come back!
    Aurora Kitaj: Good bye Avastu, nice to meet you;)
    kermit Xaris: bye Poppie
    Chiaiu Chiung: I will go, tooo - someone is waiting for me
    Pema Pera: four times a day we're here :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: bye Avastu, Visitor1
    Chiaiu Chiung: it was very interesting
    Visitor1: byeeeeeeeeeeeeee x x x x x x
    Pema Pera: 1 am 7 am 1 pm 7 pm
    Chiaiu Chiung: nice to meet you alll
    Aurora Kitaj: Thanks for coming Chiaiu, nice to see you again
    Pema Pera: plenty of opportunities
    Zen Arado: bye
    Scathach Rhiadra: bye Chiaiu
    Chiaiu Chiung: 1 7 1 7 think i will come back again
    Pema Pera: actuality it is time for me to leave too
    Chiaiu Chiung: :)
    Aurora Kitaj: and Visitor1 also, we will speak later ;)
    Pema Pera: Great to see so many new faces today!
    Samuel Okelly: tc chi :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: bye Pema
    Zen Arado: bye Pema
    Chiaiu Chiung: bye
    Aurora Kitaj: thanks for coming Pema and for every one's contribution
    Pema Pera: and have so many fascinating conversations!
    Pema Pera: thank you Aurora, for being our greeter guardian!
    kermit Xaris: bye Pema
    Aurora Kitaj: Thanks Pema, my pleasure :)
    Pema Pera: bfn
    Aurora Kitaj: Thanks for focussing on the 90 rule
    Scathach Rhiadra: well, I must leave too, see you all again soon:)
    Aurora Kitaj: Thanks for coming Scath and for your contibution
    Zen Arado: bye Scath
    Samuel Okelly: tc sca :)
    kermit Xaris: bye Scathach
    Tenk Kidd: Bye Scathatch
    Scathach Rhiadra: ake care all:)
    kermit Xaris: my contribution at this talking is great
    Aurora Kitaj: Same to you too Scath
    kermit Xaris: i told hi and bye until now
    Scathach Rhiadra: ah, tp is not working again
    Samuel Okelly: think i will go now too... will the last person here turn off the lights? ;)
    Zen Arado: bye Sam
    Aurora Kitaj: Sam, thanks so much for your contibution :)
    kermit Xaris: bye Samuel
    Samuel Okelly: tc every1 :)
    Tenk Kidd: Bye Sam!
    Zen Arado: there is a buddhist video just starting at Kannonji
    Aurora Kitaj: Pleasecome again ;)
    Zen Arado: so I should go and see that
    Scathach Rhiadra: heh, stuck here:)
    Aurora Kitaj: Kermit thanks so much coming by and hope to see you again sooon :)
    kermit Xaris: i hope so
    kermit Xaris: thx for inviteing me
    Tenk Kidd: Nice to meet you kermit
    kermit Xaris: nice to meet you Tenk
    kermit Xaris: bye Tenk! bye Aurora
    Tenk Kidd: Bye!
    Aurora Kitaj: Please come again kermit and Tenk!
    Aurora Kitaj: bye
    Tenk Kidd: Will do!
    kermit Xaris: as time i will receive im as reminders i will try to be here
    Aurora Kitaj: I will be happy to provide these if you are around Kermit or you could join Play as Beging
    kermit Xaris: its all about zen?
    kermit Xaris: or are different subjects at your talkings?
    Aurora Kitaj: yes Kermit, the topic is dependent on what ppl want to discuss
    Aurora Kitaj: just have a look on the wiki to get an idea of hte different
    Aurora Kitaj: topics we discuss
    kermit Xaris: thats great
    Aurora Kitaj: the only thing we try to aim is that ppl wil not be offended
    Aurora Kitaj: by conversations, but outside that as long as we don't wander about too much
    Aurora Kitaj: anything goes
    Zen Arado: the discussions are usually quite amicable
    kermit Xaris: i saw
    kermit Xaris: interesting
    Zen Arado: I think wandering is ok :)
    Zen Arado: Aurora?
    kermit Xaris: hope next time i will have more words then hey and bye
    kermit Xaris: :)
    kermit Xaris: ok
    kermit Xaris: byr for now
    Zen Arado: bye kermit
    kermit Xaris: bye
    kermit Xaris: bye Zen
    Aurora Kitaj: Hello Zen, where did you pop up from!
    kermit Xaris: Bye Aurora
    Aurora Kitaj: Sorry thought you had gone ;)
    Fefonz Quan: hi, guess i got here at the end :)
    Zen Arado: no
    Aurora Kitaj: Oh byeeee kermit
    Zen Arado: was thinking about it
    Aurora Kitaj: Oh sorry Fonz, the sessions has just finished
    Fefonz Quan: i see, hope it was enjoyable :)
    Aurora Kitaj: we actually went back to talking about the purpose of PaB
    Zen Arado: yes
    Aurora Kitaj: Pema brought us back to the basics
    Fefonz Quan: sounds interesting
    Zen Arado: I forgot who he was
    Aurora Kitaj: and we had a really interesting discussion on thoughts and
    Aurora Kitaj: how being more reflective can help to de stress us
    Aurora Kitaj: would you say that was about right Zen?
    Zen Arado: yes sure
    Fefonz Quan: i would love to read it, guess i should wait for the post
    Aurora Kitaj: Oh.... fonz.... yes... i'm not a very good guardian am I?
    Fefonz Quan: why not?
    Aurora Kitaj: Still have to post last week's session
    Aurora Kitaj: naughty me
    Aurora Kitaj: I blame the snow
    Zen Arado: tch tch :)
    Aurora Kitaj: couldn't get to work for 2 days
    Zen Arado: yes thats it
    Zen Arado: ha ha
    Fefonz Quan fefonz is the last to juat late people :)
    Aurora Kitaj: that really put the schedule out
    Fefonz Quan: judge
    Aurora Kitaj: but now you will get 2 for the price of one ;)
    Aurora Kitaj: Promise
    Fefonz Quan: :)
    Aurora Kitaj: sorry
    Fefonz Quan: (you can send me the recorded log link to read,
    Fefonz Quan: though it is a little unusual
    Fefonz Quan: is there a big lag today?
    Aurora Kitaj: Sorry Visitor2, session has just finished there is another at 7pm
    Aurora Kitaj: Do you want it now Fonz?
    Aurora Kitaj: Or when I've edited?
    Fefonz Quan: will b enice :)
    Nik Barak: hey, what is this place?
    Aurora Kitaj: When I've edited, will be in a couple of days
    Aurora Kitaj: Sorry Visitor2 this is play as being pavillion
    Aurora Kitaj: here is some more info http://playasbeing.wik.is/
    Aurora Kitaj: this is a wiki telling you about what happens here and when it happens
    Fefonz Quan said it'll be nice to get it now, for afternoon read, but no rush needed, Ayrora :)
    Aurora Kitaj: sorry must go now
    Visitor2: ohhh.
    Aurora Kitaj: bye Visitor2 and Fonz
    Visitor2: bye
    Fefonz Quan: bye
    Aurora Kitaj: Have a look at the wiki Visitor2
    Aurora Kitaj: good luck
    Visitor2: uhh, sure


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