2009.02.21 07:00 - visiting the "Happy place" :)

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Lia Rikugun. The comments are by Lia Rikugun.


    Adelene Dawner: 'lo Udge ^.^
    Udge Watanabe: hello adelene
    Udge Watanabe: nice to see you again, it's been a while.
    Adelene Dawner: Yep, I haven't been around too much - trying to come more.
    Adelene Dawner is amused, today.
    Udge Watanabe: glad to hear it!
    Udge Watanabe: anything in particular?
    Udge Watanabe: hello lia
    Lia Rikugun: hello good morning ;)
    Lia Rikugun: have you been here before?
    Udge Watanabe: yes, thanks, quite often :)
    Lia Rikugun: ok wonderful
    Udge Watanabe: Fael introduced me many months ago
    Lia Rikugun: no need for the notecard
    Udge Watanabe: :)
    Lia Rikugun: ;)
    Adelene Dawner: I'm looking at prefab microhomes - I liked the idea when I ran into it a few years ago, and now that I'm comfortably living in about 150 square feet, I figured I'd look at them again - seems less unreasonable now.
    Udge Watanabe: wow
    Adelene Dawner: But most of them are at least 400 square feet... some of them have *living rooms* that are 500... All I can say is: You're doing it wrong.
    Lia Rikugun: hello ******
    ******: hello
    Adelene Dawner: Hi Pem ^.^
    Udge Watanabe: hello pema
    Lia Rikugun: hello pema
    Udge Watanabe: and hello ******
    Pema Pera: Hi everybody!
    Udge Watanabe: that is not a "microhome" in my book either
    Lia Rikugun: ****** have you been here before?
    Udge Watanabe: I've seen so-called 2-room apartments that were only 500 sq ft
    Adelene Dawner: *nods*
    Udge Watanabe: heh, right on sque.
    Udge Watanabe: *squee
    ******: lia what do you from ?
    Adelene Dawner: This apartment is actually 250, but I don't use the bedroom... *shrug*
    Lia Rikugun: germany
    Adelene Dawner: Still haven't figured out why I don't. Just don't feel the need for the space, I guess.
    Udge Watanabe nods
    Lia Rikugun: ****** if you dont know we are a group that has meetings every 6 hours
    Lia Rikugun: we discuss our expierence after meditation
    Lia Rikugun: every 15minutes we take 9 sec to drop everything
    ******: ok
    Lia Rikugun: http://playasbeing.wik.is/
    Lia Rikugun: here you can read all the information
    Lia Rikugun: hello doug
    Adelene Dawner: hi, Doug
    Udge Watanabe: hello doug
    Pema Pera: We record our conversations there, on that wiki, ******. Do you mind being included in our blogs?
    doug Sosa: morning
    Pema Pera: hi there Doug!
    Udge Watanabe: I guess taht means "yes"
    Pema Pera: Perhaps he did mind!
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Lia Rikugun: i forgot to ask...
    Adelene Dawner chuckles.
    Pema Pera: np, I asked and that was it
    Udge Watanabe: perhaps that saved some time all around ...
    Pema Pera: So here is the extra little task, Lia, for the guardian of the session, to delete the lines that ****** spoke, and also the lines that we spoke
    Pema Pera: or alternatively
    Pema Pera: you can replace his name by "Anonymous"
    Pema Pera: both in his lines and in our greetings
    Lia Rikugun: ok
    Pema Pera: Sorry about the extra work
    Lia Rikugun: nono why
    Lia Rikugun: hello myna

    my first guardian-on-call ;)

    Pema Pera: Did everybody realize that this is Lia's first guardian-on-call day?
    Lia Rikugun: ups that my foot
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    Pema Pera: congratulations!
    Lia Rikugun: hehe
    Adelene Dawner: ^.^
    Myna Maven: Ooops, so sorry!
    Pema Pera: Did you succeed in claiming the chat log, Lia?
    Myna Maven: Congrats, Lia.
    Lia Rikugun: hm just touching it?
    Udge Watanabe: hello myna
    Pema Pera: yeah!
    Myna Maven: Hello Udge.
    Lia Rikugun: so how do i get the link then?
    Pema Pera: You will be sent the URL of the log later, Lia, you're in!
    Pema Pera: ask me later, if you have difficulty finding it
    Adelene Dawner continues poking at microhome layouts 'till the conversation picks up ^.^
    Lia Rikugun: until now i didnt get any link
    Pema Pera: no, after the session ends
    Lia Rikugun: ok

    when did Myna join us in Second Life and different virtual worlds

    Udge Watanabe: Myna, I've seen your name in the logs, you are one of Pema's colleagues?
    Lia Rikugun: thank you
    Myna Maven: Udge, no, not a colleague.
    Myna Maven: I happened upon Kira back around the beginning of Jan.
    Pema Pera: in the sense that I run a program in interdisciplinary studies, perhaps anyone can be my colleague, when sufficiently "inter" :-)
    Udge Watanabe: :)
    Udge Watanabe: a broad and particularly sticky brush, then.
    Pema Pera: Were you introduced by Tarmel, Myna?
    Pema Pera: Do I remember that right?
    Myna Maven: No. I just happened upon Kira.
    Pema Pera hits his head, for his faulty memory . . . .
    Myna Maven: You were there actually, the night I found it. And you told me about PaB and the phenomenology workshop.
    Myna Maven: I looked up the website and spent a couple of weeks doing a lot of reading.
    Udge Watanabe chuckles
    Myna Maven: The website is a good introduction.
    Pema Pera: Ah! Yes, I do remember talking with you in the Kira Cafe in January, but wasn't sure about the circumstances
    Myna Maven: A lot of material there.
    Myna Maven: I was fresh to SL. Had tried it out a couple of years ago and didn't care for it. I was about 5 minutes new this second time out.
    Lia Rikugun: so it was meant to be :)
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Udge Watanabe nods.
    Myna Maven: I felt fortunate.
    Pema Pera: we too Myna!
    Udge Watanabe: ripeness is all, to coin a phrase
    Pema Pera: there seems to be a time for everything, yes . . .
    Pema Pera: hi Bell !
    Adelene Dawner giggles. "I'm playing with HUDs again. That's my new PaB module."
    Pema Pera has his sound of, so can't hear our dear Bell
    Myna Maven: Yes, I had the sense the time was ripe.
    Udge Watanabe smiles
    Lia Rikugun: it is very relaxing. the bell
    Udge Watanabe: In a way it was similar for me, I resisted going into SL for years, despite all I heard about it
    Myna Maven: Udge, I was trying it again with a good bit of skepticism.
    Myna Maven: I had read, however, something about Scilands, if I remember.
    Pema Pera: It took me eight months or so, before I was becoming a regular -- I was working mostly in a different virtual world, Qwaq, but that one didn't have the people networks that SL had
    Myna Maven: And I was thinking Scilands might have some interesting things to supplement homeschooling.
    Pema Pera: Qwaq is better for workshops, but lacks the human potential of the SL "mobs" :-)
    Udge Watanabe nods
    Pema Pera: Did you find something interesting there, Myna?
    Myna Maven: Yes, Pema. I especially like doing some of the lectures there with him.


    the MICA talk for the schedule look here http://www.mica-vw.org 

    Pema Pera: Today there will be a fun talk at MICA, did you know that? At 10 am SLT
    Myna Maven: No, I didn't.
    Udge Watanabe: mm?
    Pema Pera: Great speaker, Prospero Frobozz, he has been here at PaB sometimes
    Myna Maven: Yes.
    Pema Pera: you should all become a member of MICA-VW, the SL group for astronomy activities of MICA
    Pema Pera: or if you prefer google groups, I can subscribe you to "micamail"
    Pema Pera: http://www.mica-wv.org
    Pema Pera: the schedule is there on the front page
    Myna Maven: We should. We like astronomy there, in our laymen way. We visit the planetarium quite a lot. :)
    Myna Maven: "here" not there.
    Pema Pera: "Hamlet's Supernova" is the title of today's talk at 10 am
    Udge Watanabe: interesting title!
    Myna Maven: Thanks for letting us know. And it is quite an interesting title.
    Pema Pera: See the web site I just typed above
    Pema Pera: for more info
    Udge Watanabe <- more a shakespeare buff than an astronomer
    Pema Pera: Prospero is also leading a stage play workshop at the Kira Cafe -- he is a regular Shakespeare actor in SL as well
    Pema Pera: Mondays 2 pm SLT
    Udge Watanabe: (are you sure about that URL? it isn't loading for me)
    doug Sosa: i tried that url, didn't work?
    Myna Maven: Me neither.
    Pema Pera: oops
    Lia Rikugun: http://www.mica-vw.org/wiki/index.ph...l_Astrophysics
    Pema Pera: http://www.mica-vw.org
    Pema Pera: sorry about that
    Udge Watanabe: ah, ty
    Udge Watanabe: wow. amazing.
    Pema Pera mistook wonderful vistas for virtual worlds . . .
    Udge Watanabe: I will indeed have to attend that lecture.
    Pema Pera: (transposed vw to wv in URL)


    different stages in life concerning dropping what you have, keeping compassion in difficult phases!

    Pema Pera: If I may change the subject briefly . . . Myna, the notion of dropping what you have, to see what you are, how has that worked so far, can you tell us something about how you have been playing with that?
    Pema Pera: (or anyone else, of course?)
    Myna Maven: I am a contemplative and have been doing this for a long time. I go through different phases, stages. I'm still rather waiting to see what is going on with this stage.
    Myna Maven: I'm not sure. :)
    Lia Rikugun: how do the stages look like i am curious?
    Myna Maven: It would be rather difficult for me to describe them. But I find the stages, for me, take months to years to progress through.
    Myna Maven: For me it is a slow moving process with sometimes leaps in experience/realization.
    Myna Maven: And they are not always pleasant leaps.
    Lia Rikugun: hm
    Lia Rikugun: i think you can easily jump from one extreme to another
    Lia Rikugun: where you dont know what to believe in suddenly
    Lia Rikugun: for me at least
    Myna Maven: It's good to keep at open mind.
    Lia Rikugun: yes definitely
    Myna Maven: The bottom rule for me, when moving through difficult phases, is keeping compassion in mind.
    Myna Maven: I'm sitting here typing and retyping, sorry, trying to formulate something and it's not happening. :)
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    Pema Pera: oh, you're doing a great job, Myna!
    Udge Watanabe: mmhmm
    Pema Pera: And compassion, yes, that is the key
    Lia Rikugun: i know what you mean myna
    Pema Pera: compassion for yourself as well as for others
    Pema Pera: wearing everything lightly . . . .
    Myna Maven: Yes.


    think back to what is really important in our lives during stressfull times

    Pema Pera: As for me, it has been an interesting week -- I was even busier than usual, to the point of not having time some days to read all my email, let alone to respond to them . . .
    Pema Pera: that made me a bit frazzled, till I began to realize, with a little help from my friends, that I had identified too much with the sense of urgency of reading and responding --
    Udge Watanabe nods
    Pema Pera: and I realized that nothing is absolutely urgent; everything is only relative, and I learned to relax a bit more, enough to view all the chores and task as things I had, not things I was, to be identified with.
    Lia Rikugun: (sorry fo rsending so mayn mails :))
    Pema Pera: I've learned that many times, and I keep learning more and more, and each time it gets a little easier, and it sinks in a bit more :-)
    Lia Rikugun: yes you have to remember every day what is really important
    Lia Rikugun: i forget
    Pema Pera: :)
    Pema Pera: why sorry, Lia?
    Lia Rikugun: more emails in you rinbox...
    Pema Pera: ah! Nono those were the fun ones! Do keep sending them


    a good feeling to start the day

    Pema Pera: Do you want to talk about those here?
    Pema Pera: by any chance?
    Pema Pera: if you feel like it?
    Lia Rikugun: i am not sure
    Adelene Dawner perks her ears.
    Lia Rikugun: i had a weird feeling
    Lia Rikugun: the last day
    Lia Rikugun: when i woke up
    Lia Rikugun: or maybe it was the feeling that make me wake up
    Lia Rikugun: and it was very intense
    Lia Rikugun: feeling of love and warmth with an image of flowers spreading around
    Lia Rikugun: it felt so true
    Lia Rikugun: und pure
    Lia Rikugun: and it was wonderful to start my day like this
    Udge Watanabe smiles and nods
    Lia Rikugun: a love comingfrom insdie going outwards in every direction
    Myna Maven: Lia, I had something like that happen once. Very intense. A little different from yours. I've never forgotten it.
    Lia Rikugun: :D
    Lia Rikugun: this made me feel i want to hug everybody today!
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Myna Maven: :)
    Udge Watanabe: :)
    Adelene Dawner: ^.^
    Pema Pera: you're doing so already in sharing your adventures with us, Lia!
    Pema Pera: I'm so glad that you're opening doors now between different compartments in your consciousness, in your mind!
    Pema Pera: as soon as we open those doors, so much can happen . . . . and spontaneously, naturally, without us having to do anything at all
    Lia Rikugun: it is interesting what you can suddenly see
    Lia Rikugun: or feel
    Lia Rikugun: which you might not have realized before
    Myna Maven: :) It can be quite a journey.
    Udge Watanabe chuckles and writes that one down.


    from lucid dreaming to daydreaming or visiting the "happy place"

    Pema Pera: During the last week, Lia, who is now visiting me in Princeton, and I have been exploring the use of imagination, of opening up for a kind of daydreaming that can help us to be more spontaneous -- but rather hard to explain this all in text . . . .
    Adelene Dawner: Try? *bats eyelashes* ^.^
    Pema Pera: Well, it is something I've been playing with over the years
    Pema Pera: it started fifteen years or so ago, when I was experimenting with lucid dreaming
    Pema Pera: trying to realize that you are dreaming while dreaming
    Myna Maven: Yes.
    Pema Pera: you can learn that, if it doesn't happen already spontaneously but it takes time
    Pema Pera: after a while I would have one lucid dream a week,
    Pema Pera: and I thought, as a scientist, there ought to be a better way, more efficiently
    Pema Pera: so . . .
    Pema Pera: . . . I took a shortcut
    Pema Pera: and set in front of my computer, alone in my room
    Pema Pera: and told myself to go into a day dream
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    Pema Pera: rather than waking up within a dream, I decided to reverse thing
    Pema Pera: things
    Pema Pera: always a key for new research directions :)
    Pema Pera: starting do dream while waking
    Lia Rikugun: and working ...
    Lia Rikugun: :P
    Pema Pera: Funny thing was, at first I was convinced that nothing had happened, after the bell rang after four minutes
    Adelene Dawner chuckles. "I thought oyu might be describing that, Pema. I've been playing with it for a while myself."
    Pema Pera: (I had given myself four minutes)
    Pema Pera: but when I do that kind of experiment, I *always* make notes
    Pema Pera: like a lab journal
    Pema Pera: so . . . I wrote down "nothing happened"
    Pema Pera: and then "hmmm, almost nothing"
    Pema Pera: and then "oh yes, there was a sense of a forest"
    Udge Watanabe: :)
    Pema Pera: and "and ah, I was walking through a forest, and saw a house there"
    Pema Pera: and so on.
    Pema Pera: It was just such a gulf between normal consciousness and this kind of different daydreaming consciousness that only through writing was I able to cross the gulf
    Adelene Dawner grins. "I tend to be a little more practical, most of the time but not always, in that state."
    Pema Pera: and once crossed once, it became easier and easier
    Adelene Dawner: Deep-deep pondering of whatever project i'm working on.
    Pema Pera: yes, Adelene, it is different for everyone
    Adelene Dawner: But sometimes I get traditional dream sequences, too.
    Adelene Dawner: I describe it as "I'm not dreaming, but I might as well be."
    Lia Rikugun: this happened to me, I actually fell asleep then ;)
    Pema Pera: So I learned to cross between the two ways of using awareness quite easily, after a while
    Myna Maven: I'm familiar because I've done this for years as well.
    Pema Pera: yes, Adelene
    Pema Pera: we probably all have found our own way in :-)
    Adelene Dawner: ^.^
    Pema Pera: So with this background, when I talked with Lia, she mentioned that she has a "happy place" where she likes to go to, in her awareness, and that's what started me then to share my experiences of these kinds of "sallies" as I call them -- after which Lia began playing with them, with great success -- hence her many happy emails :-)
    Adelene Dawner: ^.^
    Udge Watanabe: aah :)
    Myna Maven: :)
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    Lia Rikugun: I used the happy place before when i was very stressed
    doug Sosa: Thanks for the description of that history.
    Lia Rikugun: just to let me relax
    Myna Maven: I still angst a lot. I need to cultivate my happy place a bit more.
    Lia Rikugun: but i never walked around
    Myna Maven: :)
    Lia Rikugun: so now i found interesting things there
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    Adelene Dawner: hmm.
    Udge Watanabe smiles


    daydreaming as method to get rest, get back energies during 28h-day-schedules

    Adelene Dawner: I wonder how that state compares to REM, as far as brainwaves 'n stuff.
    Lia Rikugun: what is RFM?
    Myna Maven: I was reading an interesting story about...Hans Berger? yesterday.
    Adelene Dawner: (I had a bit of an odd experience with it earlier today that left me wondering.)
    Adelene Dawner: REM is the dream-sleep state.
    Lia Rikugun: oh ok
    Pema Pera: Yes, Myna?
    Myna Maven: Adalene, I didn't want to intrude on your relating your experience.
    Adelene Dawner: No, go ahead, we can come back ot me if anyone's interested.
    Myna Maven: Please, go ahead.
    Myna Maven: You had brought it up :)
    Adelene Dawner fights with her computer a moment... :P
    Udge Watanabe remembers the cartoon of the two squirrels. "You first" "No, after you" "I insist" ...
    Lia Rikugun: hehe
    Adelene Dawner: Ok, well, I was going to try to switch to a 28-hour-day schedule this past week, but all that accomplished was to completely throw off any semblance of a sleep schedule I had.
    Adelene Dawner: It's been something like 48 hours (I honestly don't know, at this point, exactly) since I slept for more than 4 hours at a stretch.
    Adelene Dawner: Which is not good.
    Lia Rikugun: :(
    Udge Watanabe nods soberly
    Myna Maven: I empathize.
    Adelene Dawner: So, earlier today... or... yesterday? Fuzy. *chuckles* Anyway, last time it was dark, I tried to sleep. Laid there for an hour or so. Couldn't sleep. At *all*. But I could get to that near-dreaming stage just fine.
    Myna Maven: Twilight sleep.
    Pema Pera: :)
    Adelene Dawner: Which reminds me of what I've read about REM being the most important phase, and when someone goes on polyphasic sleep (which I kind of am, now... >.< ) that's the state they'll go to when they do sleep.
    Myna Maven: May I ask why you're intentionally moving to a 28 hour schedule?
    Adelene Dawner: (Polyphasic sleep is when you sleep in naps through the day, instead of all in one chunk, if anyone's wondering)
    Lia Rikugun: do you think then that the daydreaming is heloing you in regaining your energies?
    Lia Rikugun: *Ãœhelping
    Lia Rikugun: *helping
    Lia Rikugun: or did i misunderstand?
    Adelene Dawner: Myna: It seemed like it was worth a try? I have no need to keep to any kind of a schedule at all, now, but the 6amto 2-5 pm shcedule I'd slipped into was wreaking havoc on what social life I have.
    Adelene Dawner: Lia: It might've. I think so, anyway. I'm functioning pretty well considering how little sleep I've gotten recently.
    Myna Maven: I naturally fall into 28 hour schedules. So does my son.
    Myna Maven: It can be difficult.
    Udge Watanabe: huh
    Myna Maven: Not so much difficult for us but keeping aligned with 24 hourers.
    Adelene Dawner: I think I'll do fine on the 28 once I get some blackout shades. It's been so long since I tried to fall asleep in the daylight that I forgot I have trouble with it.
    Udge Watanabe: ah, I can see how that ties in with home schooling!
    Myna Maven: We homeschool for a number of reasons. But, no, we're not 9 to 5ers. My husband is a pro musician and that can make for an odd schedule.


    how to end the session and good byes

    Lia Rikugun: should we close the session? and if yes please help me
    Udge Watanabe: if you want to end the session, you can click on the base of the fountain
    Udge Watanabe: but it's not actually necessary to do that unless you _want_ to stop recording, for instance for privacy
    Udge Watanabe: the session will end when everyone leaves
    Lia Rikugun: oh ok
    Lia Rikugun: and then i get a link to the webpage
    Lia Rikugun: ?
    Udge Watanabe: yes, right.
    Lia Rikugun: in Second life?
    Lia Rikugun: or as email
    Udge Watanabe: yes, as a IM.
    Lia Rikugun: sorry for asking
    Myna Maven: You can also open it up in your web browser.
    Udge Watanabe: there is a preferences setting for IMs while you are offline to be directed to your email account
    Pema Pera: Thanks again, Lia, for taking up this weekly slot!
    Lia Rikugun: my pleasure
    Udge Watanabe: if you hve set that, and are offline, then you will get an e-mail outside SL
    Pema Pera: I very much enjoyed this, your first session, thank you all !
    Myna Maven: Bye, Pema.
    Lia Rikugun: thank you see you ssoon
    Pema Pera: See you all soon again!
    Udge Watanabe: bye pema, take care.
    Udge Watanabe: at Prospero's session.
    Adelene Dawner: I think I'll head out, too. Feels like naptime.
    Pema Pera: yes, hope to see those of you interested in Hamlet and/or the stars there!
    Lia Rikugun: :) good nap
    Pema Pera: bfn
    Udge Watanabe smiles
    Adelene Dawner: ^.^
    Myna Maven: Adelene, I hope you get a good nap.
    Udge Watanabe: bye ade, sleep well.
    Adelene Dawner: Thanks, all. See you around.
    Lia Rikugun: byebye
    Myna Maven: I will be moving along as well. Thanks everyone. I enjoyed the discussion.
    Lia Rikugun: byebye myna
    Udge Watanabe: bye myna, it was nice meeting you.
    Myna Maven: Udge, it was nice meeting you, too! Bye, Lia.
    Udge Watanabe: I shall head out too, take care of some stuff. Will you be at Prospero's talk, Lia?
    Lia Rikugun: I dont think i can come :(
    Lia Rikugun: I have a friend visiting
    Lia Rikugun: only if i can convince
    Udge Watanabe: well, RL is important too :)
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    Lia Rikugun: ok so take care
    Lia Rikugun: and enjoy your day!
    Udge Watanabe: the recorder will continue as long as somebody sits here. If we both get up and walk away, it will stop and mail you the URL for hte log.
    Lia Rikugun: ok lets try:)

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