2009.02.25 07:00 - You Can't Always "Get" What you Want

The Acting Guardian for this meeting was Adams Rubble. The comments are by Adams Rubble

Susi and Fael were already seated quietly when I arrived but I seem not to have missed very much 

Fael Illyar: Hi Susi :)
Susi Alcott: hi Fael
Fael Illyar: Hi Adams :)
Adams Rubble: Hello Susi and Fael :)
Susi Alcott: Hello Adams :)
Adams Rubble: How is everyone today?
Fael Illyar: Hi buddha :)
Adams Rubble: That is a very nice look you have today fael :)
Adams Rubble: Hi buddha
Fael Illyar smiles 'Thank you Adams. I got it off a lucky chair around an hour, maybe two ago.'
Adams Rubble: :)

Adelene joined us

Fael Illyar: Hi Ade :)
Adams Rubble: Hello Adelene :)
Adelene Dawner: Hi all, s'cuse me. I'm having connection trouble. :P
Adams Rubble: bummer
Susi Alcott: but Bayan Kytori, the psychiatrist is online but not here
Susi Alcott: hi Adelene
Adams Rubble: who is Bayan Kytori?
Susi Alcott: he's psychiatrist and was exited for PaB
Susi Alcott: Pila and I met him and he's on my friendlist
Adams Rubble: Oh, I haven't met him
Adams Rubble: :)
Susi Alcott: he's from India
Adams Rubble: :)

buddha was next to arrive and I mentioned yesterdays Twelth Anniversary Celebration in Kira

Susi Alcott: hi buddha
Fael Illyar: Please join us here, buddha :)
Adams Rubble: It was quite a day yesterdday in Kira
Fael Illyar: I'm sure it was :)
Susi Alcott: yes
Fael Illyar: I think I recall reading an email talking about full sim :)
Susi Alcott: visited for a moment while there was dance
Adams Rubble: ah. I did not know about the dance
Fael Illyar: I think it was spontaneous happening :)
Adams Rubble: oh :)
Susi Alcott: maybe that can be arranged an other time again
Fael Illyar: genesis invited me :)
Susi Alcott: and Fael invited me
Adams Rubble: :)
Adams Rubble: When was that?
Susi Alcott: but I'm not the member of Kira cafe

Then Stevenaia appeared to us

Adams Rubble: Hello Steve :)
Susi Alcott: hi steve
Adelene Dawner: Hi, Steve ^.^
Susi Alcott: do you Fael remember the time ?
Adams Rubble: I think being a member of Play-as-Being makes one at least an honorary member of Kira
Fael Illyar: it was late for me I think ...
Susi Alcott: aha
stevenaia Michinaga: perfect place for work avoidance
Fael Illyar: perhaps somewhere close to 3pm SLT
Adams Rubble: :) Steve
Fael Illyar: Hi Steve :)
Susi Alcott: Kira cafe of PaB or both :) ?
Adams Rubble: Hmmm. I must have just missed it then :)
Fael Illyar: Ah, Steve is wearing my tattoo ^^/
stevenaia Michinaga: :), it's very contagious, everyne loves them
Susi Alcott: wonderfull
Fael Illyar: it's for sale too now but no-one seems to be buying.
Susi Alcott: I'm so limited that I thought it only to women
stevenaia Michinaga: oops, I didn't know
Adams Rubble: Steve is a walking ad for you Fael :)
Fael Illyar: well, I'm asking for a lot :P
stevenaia Michinaga: (not if I give them as gifts)

Solobill popped in

Adams Rubble: Good Morning Bill :)
Fael Illyar: http://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php...ItemID=1236889
Susi Alcott: hi Solo
stevenaia Michinaga: perhaps you should try one on Adams?
Solobill Laville: HI, folks! :)
Adams Rubble tried one :)
Fael Illyar: I think I did give Adams a copy :)
Susi Alcott: it truely looks very nice on man too :)
Adams Rubble: yes it does
stevenaia Michinaga: hello Solo
Fael Illyar: Hi Solo :)

Steve mentioned looking for inspiration and I decide to break the ice and talk about my latest round of confusion and we kick that around a bit

stevenaia Michinaga: hoping to get some inspiration on a topic for my 7:00 PM session
Fael Illyar: Well, it's perfectly fine to just be silent too :)
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Adams Rubble: I have been working on the Chronicles lately and I have been transported back to the summer and it gets very confusing for me that I am now a former self so quickly :)
stevenaia Michinaga: I have had to many quiet evenings
Fael Illyar: former self?
Adams Rubble: In order for me to understand what was happening then I transported myself a little backward
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Adams Rubble: What is happening is that I have begun to see myself in layers
Adams Rubble: or experience layers
Adams Rubble: I quickly change moods from happy to anxious or sad very quickly
Adams Rubble: As I move between the layers
stevenaia Michinaga: do you change Avatars then?
Adams Rubble: It is cross-avatars and cross RL
Adams Rubble: but the avatars are layers too
Susi Alcott: there are so strong events around the world that it's been very common for a while to truely many people
Adams Rubble: The difference is that it doesn't seem to be conscious
Fael Illyar: do you think it might be possible to call these layers shields?
Susi Alcott: also among such people who are not in SL
Adams Rubble: shields?
Adams Rubble: Susi?
Susi Alcott: I have many connections to more that 33 countries
Adelene Dawner snores quiety.
Adams Rubble: :)
Susi Alcott: much more; stopped to add after that No 'came'
Adelene Dawner blinks.
Fael Illyar: I've certainly been feeling all kinds of things the past couple of days :)

Adelene departs and Susi responds with encouragement and goes on to talk about the Mayan calendar which ends in 2012

Adelene Dawner: Bedtime.
Adelene Dawner: cya later, all.
Fael Illyar: Good night Ade :)
Adams Rubble: night Adelene :)
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Adelene Dawner: ^.^
Susi Alcott: I'm also a member of 4 yahoo groups still
Susi Alcott: and in connection with many long time friends by phone and meetings
Susi Alcott: even some of so called the strongest ones have fallen much
Adams Rubble begins to understand
Susi Alcott: but I also have seen much good to come true around the world
Susi Alcott: for people to been in connection via i-net
Adams Rubble: yes
Susi Alcott: no matter from which country; people have supported each other
Susi Alcott: but what you Adams are talking now
Adams Rubble: yes, that is very encouraging
Susi Alcott: truely is very common
Susi Alcott: surely there is much such that people create together in a way kind of own
Susi Alcott: but I myself have been working with such stargates around the world already more than 9 years
Susi Alcott: so I'm very convinced that also the nature is so called sifting
Susi Alcott: and there's been tens of years millions of such people who are stairing up to the year 2012
Susi Alcott: forgetting the people's free will to chooce
Susi Alcott: yet; they are not so very wrong that changes are strong
Susi Alcott: also what comes to the nature
Adams Rubble: Why 2012?
Susi Alcott: because the Mayan calender ends to that year
stevenaia Michinaga: hmm, I have a count-down to that date on my computer...
Susi Alcott: but Carl Johan Calleman, who examined Mayan Tradition and worked a lot with Humbatz Men, who is nowadays 'boss' of Mayan Tradition
stevenaia Michinaga: 1394 days :)
Susi Alcott: is my friend too

Pema is the last to arrive as Susi continues

Fael Illyar: Hi Pema :)
Adams Rubble: Hello Pema :)
Susi Alcott: and I asked from Calle , that could it be so, that the calender ends because it had not been easy to know how the energies of nature shall effect to people
Susi Alcott: hi Pema
Pema Pera: Hi everybody!
Susi Alcott: because of the wider knowledge shall win
Solobill Laville: Morning, Pema :)
Susi Alcott: and Calle, who himself has created such calenders for people to know
Adams Rubble: Are people thinking the world must end with the calendar?
Susi Alcott: said that he never had thought so, but that it simply must be so
Susi Alcott: no
Fael Illyar: well, a big change is a kind of an "end" :)
Fael Illyar: but not true end
Susi Alcott: those millions of people believe to some kind of sudden enlightening to all of the people
Susi Alcott: and I believe to the growth and lighetening to planet herself
Susi Alcott: and seen that to happen more an more to people too
Susi Alcott: so I beieve in natural growth
Susi Alcott: not to any miracles
Susi Alcott: but I don't so huge much speak of that
Susi Alcott: but wanted to share my thoughts here
Adams Rubble: Thank you Susi
Solobill Laville: :) Thanks, Susi
Susi Alcott: and some of the knowledge I have 'from around the wordl'
Susi Alcott: _/!\_

Susi follows with s story

Susi Alcott: may I tell a story ?
Adams Rubble: please
Solobill Laville likes stories
Susi Alcott: one day much after 911
stevenaia Michinaga: listens
Susi Alcott: I went to the bank; use to try to go always to the lady who knows me
Susi Alcott: did also that time
Susi Alcott: she pointed to the lady next to her and said; "She's afraid of the world end"
Susi Alcott: (as this lady truly knows me)
Susi Alcott: then I said; "Dont you see that it happened already ?"
Susi Alcott: she didn't understand ....sruely not....so I continued quite immedtiately saying this; "Never before so many people have united cross the planet"
Susi Alcott: she dropped her fear
Susi Alcott: end of the story
Solobill Laville: :)
Pema Pera: :)

I first miss the point of the story about the dropping of fear; Bill asks Susi a new question

Adams Rubble: Yes, sometimes tragedies serve to bring us togeter...at least most of us
Fael Illyar smiles.
Solobill Laville: Susi, how do you see the role/relationship of people to the Earth?
Susi Alcott: human being's realate to earth is very personal thing too
Susi Alcott: but basicly it's a question of rhythm/time
Susi Alcott: human being has own rhythm; not the same with Earth and not the sane with space
Susi Alcott: not the exactly the same even with onself all the time
Adams Rubble: :)
Susi Alcott: yet not being any outsider off anything
Susi Alcott: just the creative being
Susi Alcott: the highest being on Earth
Solobill Laville nods
Solobill Laville: thank you

i try to get Bill to answer how he sees it and he instead distracts me twith a question for me. I did indeed forget to raise the question again :)

Adams Rubble wonders how Bill would answer his question
Solobill Laville: Adams, you mentioned reading back to last summer
Adams Rubble: yes Bill
Solobill Laville dodges that bullet ;)
Solobill Laville: hehe
Adams Rubble: hehe
Solobill Laville: How far does it seem, from here to there to you?
Adams Rubble has a long memory
Fael Illyar: wb Steve :)
Susi Alcott: welcome back steve
Solobill Laville: wb Steve
Pema Pera: Hi Steve!
stevenaia Michinaga: thank you
Adams Rubble: I am still learning the answer to that BIll
Susi Alcott: hoping my energies didn't breake your pc
stevenaia Michinaga: no, I did that on my own

Back to me and my changes.....

Adams Rubble: I at first was surprised to see how I haven't changed
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Fael Illyar smiles.
Adams Rubble: and then noticed that it was a bit more subtle
Adams Rubble: I can give an example but it is somewhat personal to me
Adams Rubble: or maybe a little painful is a better word
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Solobill Laville: I get your meaning, it is OK
Adams Rubble: It was the day in which Pema took my stubbornees to task...I think it is July 26 and is called "Journey to Ithaca"
Pema Pera: I'd love to hear your example, if you don't mind sharing, Adams
Solobill Laville: oh, yes, that ;)
Pema Pera: yes, I remember
Adams Rubble: When I read it at first I saad to myself "Gads I am the same person"
Adams Rubble: It was actually, probably in waking up from sleep, that the difference emerged
Adams Rubble: I first took Pema's words on their face value
Adams Rubble: Then I began to realize that he had been speaking to metaphorically to what he thought I might understand at the time
Solobill Laville nods
Adams Rubble: The opening the door to God was the exact same advice
Adams Rubble: that Pema later gave me in December
Adams Rubble: that I needed to drop my identitites in order to Listen
Adams Rubble: At least that is the way i see it
Adams Rubble: now

I threw the next line out as a bit of a joke and as often happens it is instead taken seriously and becomes the next thread

Adams Rubble: I am still very stubborn :)
Solobill Laville: :)
Pema Pera: aren't we all . . . .
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Pema Pera: when I talk about these things, whatever advice I come up with is at least as much directed to myself as to others
Susi Alcott: so often we can be so alone with the base truth
stevenaia Michinaga: always interesting what we choose to be stubborn about
Susi Alcott: for that we should never give up from stubberness
Pema Pera: we remind each other, to stop, to drop, to see, . . . . to stop carrying on stubbornly on our fixed-formula journey of life
Solobill Laville: Yes, Steve, maybe step 1 is to see that we are stubborn, step 2 is to see what we're stubborn about, and step 3 is to ask why?
Pema Pera: or just drop it without asking
Fael Illyar: Some things are there because of necessity though...
Solobill Laville: To me, depending, that may be step 4 :)
stevenaia Michinaga: choose something you are NOT subborn about, and use it to try defend stubbornness... then it seems silly
Solobill Laville: Often, I think that stubbornnes is to hold up some "thing" about what we think we are
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Fael Illyar: but just dropping is a fast, if rough way, to find out why.
Solobill Laville: Well, it is like melting ice as opposed to digging a rock our of your garden
Solobill Laville: The rock may indeed need to come out

Whoops, Moon is the really last person to arrive (Sorry Moon)

Fael Illyar: Hi Moon :)
Pema Pera: the hardest part is to really *see* -- and asking why questions can help you see. Once you see, the dropping is natural and simple.
Susi Alcott: hi Moon
Adams Rubble: Hello Moon :)
Pema Pera: Hi Moon!
Moon Fargis: ^^^/
Solobill Laville: Yes, agreed Pema, you are starting at the end again :)
Moon Fargis: ahh pema huggng time :)
Susi Alcott: so one thing to be stubbern is to keep asking as long it's needed that one can see
Adams Rubble: But in my case I seem to need to learn to drop again and again
Solobill Laville: Hi, Moon :)

At this point, Fael is hugging pema from behind and Moon from the front

Moon Fargis: *giggles*
Fael Illyar hugs Pema a bit more tightly for a moment.
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Susi Alcott: being stubbern :)
Pema Pera: We all have that need, Adams
Solobill Laville: Adams, I think that the effort to that never really stops, but we can perhaps be more aware of the need
Adams Rubble wonders how Pema is able to type :)
Pema Pera: We need frequent reminders, which is the basic idea behind PaB
Susi Alcott: lol
Pema Pera: frequency seems to be more important than duration
Pema Pera is used to work under stress :)
Pema Pera: (from front and back)
Adams Rubble: Yes Bill and Pema
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Solobill Laville: :)

Nothing to "get". As I read the next few words here in my position as commentator, I am reminded of Mick Jaggar's words and so I put them in the title in order to show my musical knowledge is not limited to Leonard Cohen :)

Pema Pera: The moment you think you "got" it, you've lost it, Adams . . . .
Pema Pera: we are here to remind ourselves that there is nothing to get . . . .
Fael Illyar: the moment you think you've "got" something, you stop looking at it.
Susi Alcott: and isn't it so good; to know that we can loose all and yet have all
Pema Pera: . . . and yet to also not continue in our old ways!
Susi Alcott: surely speaking about the spiritual matters
Adams Rubble: So we shouldn't be thinking of setting up an anniversary meeting next July 26th?
Pema Pera: look at what you are . . . . so simple, but we have to help each other to figure out what that can mean
Adams Rubble: :)
Pema Pera: sure, fine with me, Adams -- in Ithaca?
Solobill Laville: Ithaca - redux
Adams Rubble: It's nice there in the summer :)
Fael Illyar: anniversary?
stevenaia Michinaga: I was there on July 15th

Then one by one we start to break up

stevenaia Michinaga: I must return to RL, see you at 7:00
Adams Rubble: bye Steve :)
Fael Illyar: See you later Steve :)
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Solobill Laville: Bye, Steve
Pema Pera: c u Steve
Pema Pera: I will have to leave too
Pema Pera: Good talking with you all!
Solobill Laville: Bye, Pema
Adams Rubble: bye Pema. Thanks :)
Pema Pera: Moon and Fael, you can now start hugging each other :)
Fael Illyar: Ah, see you later Pema :)
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Solobill Laville: Goodbye as well!
Adams Rubble: bye Bill :)
Fael Illyar: See you later Solo :)
Solobill Laville: Nice to see you all
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Solobill Laville: I need to check out the library Moon!
Moon Fargis: yes ^^
Solobill Laville: Thanks for the effort on it :)
Moon Fargis: np have fun there:)
Adams Rubble: Yes, I must get there too :)
Fael Illyar smiles.
Moon Fargis: i wont stop you :)
Adams Rubble: I am afraid I must be going too
Susi Alcott: lol
Moon Fargis: ^^
Fael Illyar: See you later Adams :)
Moon Fargis: ok see you soon then ^^/
Adams Rubble: bye all. Thanks for a good discussion :)
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Susi Alcott: thank you Adams for that too
Susi Alcott: hm
Susi Alcott: seems that there's two nice children willing to obey good commands :)))))))))
Moon Fargis: heheh
Fael Illyar smiles.