2009.06.02 07:00 - Boundries and Borders

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Riddle Sideways. The comments are by Riddle Sideways. And is the one that did not click save correctly.

    The comment at the end about this not being like the purpose of a PaB session has had me thinking a lot.
    Still not sure what I want to comment here.
    Is it not playful enough?
    Are we chatting about the wrong part of Being?

    I was remembering the word 'here' was sometimes attached to PaB.

    If I loosen the language tightness and blur my seeing a little, I see us chatting about mine vs. others.
    Me, mine, I, soul, mind, heart, being, personal possesive pronouns versus they, those, others, ethnics, wilders, not us and you.

    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi
    Riddle Sideways: Good Morning, Yakuzza
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i was just on the way through i start we i left
    Riddle Sideways: yes, is easy to get back where you left from
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ah, no the event isn´t at 7 am
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so i stay :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: just checked my email
    Riddle Sideways: which event?
    Riddle Sideways: Kira?
    Riddle Sideways: Sorry, I was distracted by noisey cat
    Yakuzza Lethecus: "Particle Physics for Dummies, or What We Know and Don't Know About the Composition of the Universe...in an Hour" by Vic Michalak
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but that is at 12 pm
    Yakuzza Lethecus: somehow i thought about that in an hour
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and i got that mail an hour ago
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ...
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey
    kenji Pookes: Hello
    Riddle Sideways: it cries loudly a lot
    Riddle Sideways: good morning, Kenji
    kenji Pookes: Good morning
    Yakuzza Lethecus: Is it a she ?
    Riddle Sideways: [i have a huge lag today]
    Riddle Sideways: unknown, since I can't get near it
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ah , it´s not your cat
    Riddle Sideways: no, it lives under our house someplace
    Riddle Sideways: sits in ddriveway or on the deck an cries
    Riddle Sideways: our cats get brought in at dusk
    Riddle Sideways: have lost tooo many cats to mountain lions
    kenji Pookes: Where do you live?
    Riddle Sideways: california
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i am from germany
    kenji Pookes: I remember a mountain lion attacking a woman a few years back near San Diego. I used to live in Orange County.
    kenji Pookes: What part of Germany?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: NRW
    kenji Pookes: NRW?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: Nordrhein Westfalen
    Riddle Sideways: in drought years the mountain lions follow the deer down into housing areas
    Riddle Sideways: then they learn about easy picking
    kenji Pookes: I've been to Germany, but I don't think I've been there.
    kenji Pookes: We could use some mountain lions around here, if they wouldn't attack humans. Far too many deer.
    kenji Pookes: I've come to deeply dislike deer.
    Riddle Sideways: they attack anything that runs away from them
    kenji Pookes: Pretty smart critters.
    Riddle Sideways: I am getting sick of turkeys
    kenji Pookes: We don't have wild turkeys around here. I am in TExas.
    Riddle Sideways: we have hundreds of wild turkeys
    kenji Pookes: At least when you hit one, it doesn't cause $3500 in damage to your car.
    kenji Pookes: Cayotes?
    Riddle Sideways: we have a couple
    Riddle Sideways: cayotes
    kenji Pookes: Are wildlife moving back into populated areas in Germany?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: sure, for example the wild pigs
    kenji Pookes: Ugh
    Yakuzza Lethecus: we had a time when the hunters were feeding them over the winter just to shoot more
    Yakuzza Lethecus: not we have by far to much wild
    kenji Pookes: People in my neighborhood feed the deer because they think they are cute...
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, they are :)
    kenji Pookes: No, they aren't...
    kenji Pookes: They eat all of the flowers and they are amazingly stupid.
    Riddle Sideways: they adapt to where they have to live
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yeah, unless u think about the ecosystem they are cute
    kenji Pookes: Exactly
    kenji Pookes: Of course, the deer are not to blame--we've created the problem.
    Riddle Sideways: thy just learned to live with it
    Yakuzza Lethecus: we have even more wild boars today then a 100 yearrs ago
    kenji Pookes: yes
    Riddle Sideways: why do some people question evolution
    Riddle Sideways: when it shows all the time
    kenji Pookes: Stupidity?
    Riddle Sideways: all these animals that knew how to live in forest
    Riddle Sideways: now live off scrubery
    kenji Pookes: It's interesting that when I've tried to point out that evolution is not a theory, it is an observed fact of nature, I get some very angrey responses from a few people.
    Riddle Sideways: I know what you are saying
    Riddle Sideways: wonder why that is
    kenji Pookes: Fear that if evolution is true, god isn't
    Riddle Sideways: therory is safer then fact?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i think at least that makes us thinking about biologie and darwin more
    Yakuzza Lethecus: since the creationists had their time in the media it became popular again to talk about evolution
    Riddle Sideways: hmmmm,interestingly true
    kenji Pookes: I guessin free societies people are free to be stupid if they wish.
    Riddle Sideways: free thinking stupidity
    kenji Pookes: yes
    Riddle Sideways: need to get a copy of societies for dummies
    kenji Pookes: Very good.
    Riddle Sideways: "Freedom, a how to manual"
    kenji Pookes: WE could use that in the US
    Yakuzza Lethecus: actually i would buy that manual :)
    Riddle Sideways: probably already exists, there are hundreds of dummy books
    kenji Pookes: And hundreds of dumb books.
    Riddle Sideways: thousands
    kenji Pookes: indeed
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i want a book with the T ruth about freedom :)
    Riddle Sideways: the next dumb question is why WE think that 'wild life' should not exist near us?
    Riddle Sideways: why are humans not wild life
    kenji Pookes: I don't think it shouldn't, just wish it didn't--that is non-human wildlife.
    kenji Pookes: WE are certainly part of nature, but we also tend to be in conflict with the rest of nature.
    kenji Pookes: I'm getting hungry. I'll be back in a while--got to fetch some breakfast.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye
    kenji Pookes: bye
    Riddle Sideways: ok
    Riddle Sideways: there is the seperation of where I should be and where the other wild life should stay
    Riddle Sideways: MY house is on the edge of the frountier, but should not be uncivalized
    Riddle Sideways: getting somewhere is a thought of problem
    Riddle Sideways: seems to be my notion of "getting places"
    Riddle Sideways: maybe "getting" to a big airport is a long way from my country residence
    Riddle Sideways: but we do so much going/getting to places
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it´s really love where i am living
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i have aunts in berlin and bavaria
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but watching out of the house right on the next house isn´t that great
    Riddle Sideways: we have no relitives around here, they are all in new york
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but sure, i think even 2nd life is a way of coping with the reduced possibillities here
    Riddle Sideways: I like looking out my window and not seeing snow
    Yakuzza Lethecus: oh i still have snow tires
    Yakuzza Lethecus: that remembers me about swapping :)
    Riddle Sideways: today I will travel 2 hours by car to the bigairport to pick up my daugther
    Yakuzza Lethecus: one way ?
    Riddle Sideways: that 2 hours drive would be days by horse. More walking
    Riddle Sideways: yes, one way
    Riddle Sideways: but, where my daughter is coming from (Israel) would have been months or all year
    Riddle Sideways: would not have thought to go some far
    Yakuzza Lethecus: vacation ?
    Riddle Sideways: she was taking high school semister there
    Yakuzza Lethecus: great
    Riddle Sideways: a truely great experience for her
    Yakuzza Lethecus: did you learn hebrew too , maybe just to impress here when she´s comming back ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
    Riddle Sideways: I can read some hebrew, but not converse.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i think it´s interesting that there are still highschools where you don´t have to have a 2nd languae
    Riddle Sideways: my county in cal is 40% ESL (english secondlanguage
    Riddle Sideways: the majority of cal wants to outlaw bi-langural teaching
    Riddle Sideways: big problem
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yeah, i already heard jokes about mexicans
    Yakuzza Lethecus: like we have jokes about people from turkey
    Yakuzza Lethecus: just had to think about that when you mentioned turkeys :)
    Riddle Sideways: I was luckey growing up where I did
    Riddle Sideways: there were jokes about Amish
    Riddle Sideways: there were stupid and reflected negitively back on the teller
    Yakuzza Lethecus: sure it depends on if you actually really mean it in the way you are joking
    Yakuzza Lethecus: for example we have even many jokes about people from poland as well
    Riddle Sideways: when the [ethnic] tells you "how stupid the [otherethnic] is..." and laughs
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and my brother is married to a now woman from poland :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ok, she grew up here
    Riddle Sideways: he might not tell poland jokes now
    Yakuzza Lethecus: especially now :D
    Yakuzza Lethecus: as long as it´s just teasing it´s fine
    Riddle Sideways: but, he probably tells turkey jokes
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but don´t joke when you don´t know the people
    Yakuzza Lethecus: he got an apprentice from turkey
    Riddle Sideways: most tell the cruelest jokes about peoples they have no knowledgeof
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so it´s really multicultural in our family, but it´s really complicated between jokes and how they are percepted
    Yakuzza Lethecus: the line frome teasing to harming might now always be clear
    Riddle Sideways: in america we are such a melting pot that you can't really tell who you might be offending with any joke
    Yakuzza Lethecus: where are your ancestors from ?
    Riddle Sideways: america
    Riddle Sideways: but they always say: Irish, england, gemany,bolgeria...
    Riddle Sideways: the shortist is about 3 generations
    Riddle Sideways: but they always say some far off country
    Riddle Sideways: I have a friend who in the thickest russian accent proclaims he is "American"
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yeah, would you say arnold isn´t american ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i still got a bad austrian accent :)
    Riddle Sideways: another friend who is 7th generation US and says he is Irish
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yeah, it´s better to think that we are just humans
    Riddle Sideways: much better
    Yakuzza Lethecus: thats great with 2nd life
    Riddle Sideways: I like no bounderies
    Yakuzza Lethecus: you just talk and communicate with everyone and it´s just about the topics and not about prejudices
    Riddle Sideways: yes, in SL my poor english and speeling make you think I is foreigneer
    Yakuzza Lethecus: he didn´t notice anything
    Riddle Sideways: yet we communicate
    Yakuzza Lethecus: actually it is great for me that i don´t even think about the use of the english language anymore
    Riddle Sideways: now we need to not think about bounderies
    Riddle Sideways: of where the deer should stay
    Riddle Sideways: my land and their land
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hihi :)
    Riddle Sideways: now, I needd to draw another boundry... between Sl time and RL. Must leave to go to bigairport
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yeah, it was nice chatting
    Riddle Sideways: very nice chat today
    Yakuzza Lethecus: maybe not the purpose of PaB
    Riddle Sideways: I think is was the purpose of PaB
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ok, i feel at least relaxed :)
    Riddle Sideways: Play As what might Be
    Yakuzza Lethecus: good explaination
    Riddle Sideways: if we loosen our boundries
    Yakuzza Lethecus: cya!
    Riddle Sideways: cya
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