2009.06.19 13:00 - T-Shirts

The Guardian for this meeting was sophia Placebo. The comments are by sophia Placebo.

*I arrived on a witch broom , Wol was sitting there quietly but who can resist a witch broom .Others follow and we had a 15 mints of smiles 

sophia Placebo: helloo wol
Wol Euler laughs
Wol Euler: hello sophia, what a great arrival.
sophia Placebo: lol
Wol Euler chuckles.
Wol Euler: ty
sophia Placebo: yw
sophia Placebo: i cant give the hat its no trans :(
Wol Euler: heheheheheh
Wol Euler: wonderful.
sophia Placebo: race?
Wol Euler: all right
sophia Placebo: 4
Wol Euler: 3
sophia Placebo: 2
Wol Euler: 1
sophia Placebo: go
sophia Placebo: lol
sophia Placebo: thats tooooo slow for a race
Wol Euler: ah, apparently I forgot to ad you to the listener's list of guardians.
Wol Euler: oh, how strange, you are in the list.
Wol Euler: hmmmmmm
Wol Euler: it shouldn't have stopped while you were still here.
Wol Euler: (sorry, geek to the core.)
sophia Placebo: hehe np
Wol Euler: hello fef
sophia Placebo: hi fef
Fefonz Quan: hello witches :)
Wol Euler cackles.
sophia Placebo: wanna be a wizard ?
Wol Euler: this is great, sophia.
Fefonz Quan: sure!
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
Wol Euler: hello pema, yakuzza
sophia Placebo: hi yak , hi pema
Pema Pera: Hi Wol, Fef, Sophia, Yakuzza, Adams!
sophia Placebo: hi adams
Wol Euler: hello adams
Yakuzza Lethecus: lol
Pema Pera: what a spectacle!
Wol Euler giggles
Yakuzza Lethecus: burn the whitches
Adams Rubble: Hello everyone :)
sophia Placebo: lol adams , just look like a witch noob
Yakuzza Lethecus: it will safe their soulds
Pema Pera: is this to celebrate Sophia's new guardian-on-call role?
Yakuzza Lethecus: soulds
Wol Euler snorts
Fefonz Quan: HI Pema, Adams, Yaku
Yakuzza Lethecus: crap souls
Fefonz Quan: now, which witch watch which watch?
Wol Euler: "crap souls" sounds like a late 50's poem by Alan Ginsburg.
sophia Placebo: i wish one day we would have anti gravity veihcles
Wol Euler: yeah :)
Wol Euler: hello steve
sophia Placebo: hi steve
Yakuzza Lethecus: at least no onigokko today :)
Adams Rubble: hello Steve :)
sophia Placebo: hehe yak
Pema Pera: watch out what you're asking for, Yak!
Pema Pera: HI Steve!
sophia Placebo: hi steve
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey steve
stevenaia Michinaga: I was sitting on someone wasn't I?
stevenaia Michinaga: sorry
Adams Rubble: Steve could use a broom. hehe
Yakuzza Lethecus: onigokko
sophia Placebo: lol
Yakuzza Lethecus: stop
Pema Pera: wow
Fefonz Quan: onigokko
stevenaia Michinaga: I ahve one somewhere in my attic (inventory)
Wol Euler: Sophia, this is turning out to be a perfect Friday session, quite in the spirit of Solobill
Pema Pera: a multidisciplinary dance!
sophia Placebo: hi mick
Pema Pera: Happy Hour !!
Adams Rubble: hello Mick :)
Wol Euler: hi mick
Pema Pera: Hi Mick!
sophia Placebo: hehe
Mickorod Renard: Hiya everyone
Yakuzza Lethecus: stop
Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
Mickorod Renard: crazy
Fefonz Quan: those contemplating witches are cool :)
sophia Placebo: this calm sit is for poeple who are preparing a conspiricy or something
Pema Pera: so there are two types of witches? the smoking and nonsmoking types?
Adams Rubble: are we cobntemplating witches fefonz?
Fefonz Quan: look at the sitting posture
sophia Placebo: hehe pema , want a cigar ?
Pema Pera: sure!

Pema Pera: how do I get one?

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*Cigars and urge to get another one- me, Wol and Pema were smoking virtually

Fefonz Quan: i thought cigars are Mick's thing
Mickorod Renard: he he he
sophia Placebo: hehe
sophia Placebo: i liked the animation fef
Mickorod Renard: I do have an issue with cigars
Fefonz Quan: the witch one?
sophia Placebo: this one
Fefonz Quan: yes, it is cool :)
sophia Placebo: :)
Mickorod Renard: I have 19 days supply left..then I either have to quit or go travelling to get some
Pema Pera: :)
Wol Euler: oooh
Pema Pera: or both
Pema Pera: in sequence
Wol Euler: what a dilemma
Mickorod Renard: I know,,the tres is building up
Mickorod Renard: stress
Pema Pera: "it's easy to quite smoking, I've done it many times"
Mickorod Renard: he he
sophia Placebo: dont let it build up
Fefonz Quan: maybe you can dream of smoking, thus relieving the stress without consuming the supplies...
Mickorod Renard: yes,,I do it every morning
sophia Placebo: hehe pema
stevenaia Michinaga: jsut like Sl, I can quit anytime

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*Dreams and -urge- to correct them
Mickorod Renard: talking of dreams,,I had one last night,,and my dog died
Pema Pera: in your dream, I hope?
Fefonz Quan: in the dream i hope?
Pema Pera: hehehe
Pema Pera: fellow Princetonians
Fefonz Quan: :)
Mickorod Renard: yes,,not my real dog,,this one was called woofy
Pema Pera: and fellow physicists
Wol Euler: good.
Mickorod Renard: it feels so bad I want to go back to the dream to retrieve his body
Fefonz Quan: but you should be happy RL is bettere
Mickorod Renard: true
Fefonz Quan: retrieveing won't get back his poor virtual soul
Wol Euler nods. It might comfort yours, though.
Wol Euler: if only dreaming worked like that...
Fefonz Quan: your virtual one? :)

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*Arabella arrives ,Adams leaves

Adams Rubble: hello Arabella
Wol Euler: hello ara
Fefonz Quan: Hey Ara
Mickorod Renard: Hiya Ara
sophia Placebo: hi ara
Pema Pera: Hi Arabella!
arabella Ella: Hiya everyone
arabella Ella: Hiya Pema!
Adams Rubble: I must go. bye everyone :)
sophia Placebo: bye adams
Wol Euler: bye adams, take care.
Pema Pera: bye Adams!
Fefonz Quan: have a good weekend adams
Mickorod Renard: bye aDAMS
arabella Ella: bye Adams I hope i did not scare u off :)

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*What makes the Homeness?

Mickorod Renard: are you back home now Pema?
Pema Pera: yes, for a few days
Pema Pera: Sunday I'll fly to Kyoto
Mickorod Renard: nice
Fefonz Quan: 'every place i lay my laptop, that's my home', pom pom pom...
Wol Euler: heheheh
Pema Pera: with a laptop comes SL, as a home!
sophia Placebo: hi wni
sophia Placebo: win*
Pema Pera: Hi Winston
Fefonz Quan: exactly
Wol Euler: I wonder, what makes the "home"-ness of home, when you spend every other week in a different place?
Wol Euler: hello winston
Mickorod Renard: Hi Winston
Fefonz Quan: the homeness feeling i guess
Wol Euler: two days old, welcome to second life
Pema Pera: well, T shirts, mostly, Wol . . . home is where I keep most of my T shirts
Wol Euler: heheheheheh
Wol Euler: as good an answer as any other.
Pema Pera: I do happen to have hundreds of T shirts, about the only thing I tend to collect :-)
Fefonz Quan: better then Giraffes though
arabella Ella: i reckon if we all put our t-shirts together we would run into thousands
Pema Pera: :-)
Pema Pera: now there's an idea!
Pema Pera: we'll have to compare our sizes though
Pema Pera: the great PaB T shirt swap
arabella Ella: one size fits all :)
Wol Euler: heheheh
Pema Pera: talking about stretching the truth . . .
arabella Ella smiles
Wol Euler: winston, I'll give you an intro to the group in IM, so as not to disturb the others
Pema Pera: the one and the many . . . . (truth and T shirts) . . . theme for tomorrow morning

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* The_Road_Not_Taken_(poem)

Fefonz Quan: yes, two roads diverge in a T-junction
Wol Euler: and I, I took the one with fewer service stations
Fefonz Quan: and got stuck out of fue?
sophia Placebo: why?
Fefonz Quan: fule
Wol Euler: probably, the poet didn't say :)
Wol Euler: I thought Fef was quoting a famous poem by Robert Frost, so I continued it.
Fefonz Quan: the poet fuel on heart and emotions, as ecological as any other way
Fefonz Quan: yep :)
Fefonz Quan: poets*
Wol Euler: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Roa...t_Taken_(poem)
Wol Euler: right, fef :)
Wol Euler: it's funny (one last reference then I'll shut up)
Wol Euler: I have knowna nd loved that poem most of my life, and until recently I always thought that it was sad. The poet chose the wrong path and was regretting that.
Wol Euler: recently I realized that it might just as well be positive: he chose the RIGHT path, and is happy with his lot.
Fefonz Quan: no, he chose the original one
Fefonz Quan: i thought that way too, though it can encompass both joy and pain
Wol Euler nods
sophia Placebo still thinks about what service stations means there
Fefonz Quan thought about gas statins, maybe from lack of understanding too
Wol Euler: well, the service stations along the road parallel the leaves on one path and worn-down grass onthe other in the poem.
Wol Euler: making a difference between the two roads leaving the T junction.
Wol Euler: and yes, "service station" was equivalent to "gas station" during my childhood :)
arabella Ella: and we say ... petrol station
Wol Euler shrugs. It was a silly attempt at a literary joke, sorry.
arabella Ella liked it
sophia Placebo: i mean would you choose a raod that you walk without help there , like deciding not to go to school and learning by your own
arabella Ella: Wol's version i mean
Winston Haystack: Bye
sophia Placebo: bye win
Pema Pera: Bye Winston
Wol Euler: bye winston
Fefonz Quan: bye winston
Mickorod Renard: bye Win
Fefonz Quan: there are not few taking that choice these days Sophia
arabella Ella: i have always taken that poem to mean choosing one's future which is not the usual way ... or the usual path
sophia Placebo: indeed must be very brave or very crazy
arabella Ella: less stereotyped
arabella Ella: should we all be like sheep and follow the crowd everywhere regardless?
Fefonz Quan: i think someone here had some chat around it, claming this is better for her children. don't recall who
Wol Euler: yes, that's interseting, I too thought he chose the "odd" path, the unusual one
Mickorod Renard: could refer to all the coices u make in life,,on a personal basis
arabella Ella: exactly - same opinion here wol
Fefonz Quan: (to sophia that was)
Wol Euler: yeah, fef, someone is doing home schooling. Was that Myna?
Fefonz Quan: mybe :)
sophia Placebo: that is her deciding fef , her would provide help if her chldren need it
Fefonz Quan: yes. btw - i think all of us here are traveling the off-broadway road, only by being here and discussing PaB
sophia Placebo: im wondering about the poet reaching a point in his life where he decided to go without much support or help , a path with uncertain level , was wandering about the moments we do that , what drives us to do that
Fefonz Quan: interesting, i never thought about the support/help issue regarding that choice/poem
Mickorod Renard: what drives us is often disenchantment with what path we followed to date
arabella Ella: or a sense of adventure ... or individuality
arabella Ella: like riding a bicycle in the countryside where one has never ventured before
arabella Ella: and choosing what seems to be the more untrodden or adventourous path
arabella Ella: as a challenge
arabella Ella: or to be different
arabella Ella: or as a point of exploration
arabella Ella: i did this recently in germany where i hired a bicycle
Fefonz Quan votes for all of the above
Mickorod Renard: a change is as good as a rest,,so some say
arabella Ella: :)
sophia Placebo: maybe
Fefonz Quan: plus, sometimes you feel that the fact the majority thinks differently doesn't make tehm right.
Fefonz Quan: them*
arabella Ella: it is similar to media influence ... people watch TV programs cos 'everyone' watches them
Fefonz Quan: otherwise the average human around would be smiling and happy, wouldn't they?
arabella Ella: people wear brand clothes cos 'everyone' wears them ... or fashion
Fefonz Quan: and than after 2 years fashion changes, in order to make people spend more money. that's exactly the point
Fefonz Quan: then*
Mickorod Renard: there is some conditioning that makes me uncertain that the break from norm is right,,but still i choose the non conformist route
Pema Pera: there are also many ways of being nonconformist . . . .
sophia Placebo: fef it is much shorter than 2 years
arabella Ella: well on the one hand we are all urged to be creative and innovative and to come up with new ideas
Pema Pera: most of us are conforming in some ways, not conforming in others
Fefonz Quan: yes, i was conservative sophia :)
arabella Ella: on the other hand we are pressured to conform
Wol Euler: there are also standards of non-conformity to which people conform :)
Pema Pera: hehehe
arabella Ella nods to Wol
Mickorod Renard: I guess the masses are better controlled if they conform
Fefonz Quan: Mick, i didn't say comformity is bad for itself, being conditioned by it - hence not free to choose - is wrong for my opinion
arabella Ella: well some conformity is probably necessary
arabella Ella: like rules for driving or eating or whatever
Mickorod Renard: yes,,I like the idea that choice should be choice,,not just an expectation
arabella Ella: but we must always question
arabella Ella: not follow blindfolded
Fefonz Quan: yes, driving more important than eating, no one will get hurt if i chew on the left side of mymouth
arabella Ella: yes Fef but eating also involves hygene for example
Mickorod Renard: yea,,there is always the issue that sometimes conformity has to be for the well being of ones feelows
Fefonz Quan: right.
Pema Pera quietly slips away . . . see you tomorrow morning, if not earlier!
Fefonz Quan: bye Pema
sophia Placebo: bye pema
arabella Ella: bye Pema
Wol Euler: bye pema, take care
Mickorod Renard: bye Pema
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye
Fefonz Quan: yes Mick, like the vaccination issue
stevenaia Michinaga: I must be off
arabella Ella: or controlling disease
stevenaia Michinaga: thanks
arabella Ella: bye steve
sophia Placebo: bye steve
Fefonz Quan: bye Steve
Wol Euler: bye steve, take care.
Yakuzza Lethecus: cya
Mickorod Renard: bye Sreve
Fefonz Quan: nice exit :)
arabella Ella: cool

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*SL is not RL ?

arabella Ella: i know it is late but a question crosses my mind
Mickorod Renard: watz that ara?
sophia Placebo: :)
Fefonz Quan: share teh cross :)
arabella Ella: would we all be so open and relaxed with our discussions if we were to meet in RL like this i wonder?
sophia Placebo: me no
arabella Ella: open, honest, relaxed
Fefonz Quan: why not?
Mickorod Renard: I wud,,I am like this all day
arabella Ella: i am not so sure myself either
sophia Placebo: i dont like poeple
Wol Euler: I'm not sure, I suspect that I would be more cautious and quiet.
Mickorod Renard: I tell my dog everything
sophia Placebo: hehe mick
Fefonz Quan: guess we found another question that has different individual answers :)
arabella Ella nods
arabella Ella: i feel that the fact that we are all here without reputation or baggage or status or what makes a huge difference to our conversations and discussions
Mickorod Renard: course,,I cant tell my wife anything,,but thats normal
sophia Placebo: though i do good in lectures or presentation but not in friendly chating
Fefonz Quan: i can say that in some RL groups i experienced quite open and relaxed atmosphere too.
arabella Ella: but Fef ... and I dont think there is anyone here from the USA right now ... did u feel that way in the USA ... or is it too complicated to ask? in RL I mean? cos i think most of us would feel ok with a group we trust, perhaps family, perhaps friends
sophia Placebo: me too fef , depends on the group , not sure what it takes to feel like open to them though
Fefonz Quan: in RL was not USA, ara :)
arabella Ella smiles
Fefonz Quan: but no, no family or friend (at least at the starting point)
arabella Ella: ok
arabella Ella: so for those of us who feel it would be different in RL ... to communicate like this like we do here
arabella Ella: Sophia, Wol and myself for starters
arabella Ella: why is it so different u think?
Fefonz Quan: surely when the group gets to know each other, a bit like we do here, they are not totally strangers
Wol Euler: RL is messy, it has dangers and awkwardnesses that don't exist here.
Mickorod Renard: thats true Wol
Fefonz Quan: i guess SL does provide a 'clean slate' easily (if this is the right term)
sophia Placebo: it is just easier for me even with friends and family to comunicate through typing ara , it is something in me
Yakuzza Lethecus: I don´t know why, when the groups are ging to be bigger then i am basicly quite the whole time and often i pressurise mself to say something just to say something and so it´s going to be unpleasant in real life often.
Wol Euler nods. I prefer e-mail to phone...
arabella Ella: very interesting ... and diverse ... responses
Fefonz Quan: I will have to leave, RL calls. good to see you all!
Yakuzza Lethecus: I prefer talking because i think over the words too much when i type
Wol Euler: 'night fef.
arabella Ella: and me ... since i live on a little island where everyone knows everyone ... cannot always be as open as i would like to be here
sophia Placebo: bye fef
Yakuzza Lethecus: and in the end i delete the email or what i was going to type
arabella Ella: bye Fef good to cya
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye fef
Fefonz Quan: _/!\_
sophia Placebo: thanks for the poem
Mickorod Renard: I felt like that too Yaku..but after a while of being on sl,,in group chats,,i have become more confident in rl too
Wol Euler: yes, that was k´nice
Mickorod Renard: bye Fef
arabella Ella: yes Yak that is an interesting issue too ... each of us probably feels better communicating one way rather than another ... chat, voice, phone, presentations, wahtever
arabella Ella: i personally find each one of those a skill that is a challenge and needs to be developed over time
Mickorod Renard: SL has been good for me,,in my communicating in RL
sophia Placebo: true ara i hope i became a better chatter in rl
arabella Ella: would you say there is a HUGE leap between us being here as avatars ... and our RL 'image' or appearance ... when communicating I mean
Mickorod Renard: I think I had become too insular

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*Arabella to Malaysia

arabella Ella: sophia ... if you find presentations easy ... you could go make one for me next week
arabella Ella: i am travelling tomorrow to a conference in asia :)
sophia Placebo: hehe :)
arabella Ella: and struggling with my presentation
Wol Euler: heheh
Wol Euler: good lck
Wol Euler: +u
arabella Ella: ty
sophia Placebo: where in asia ?
arabella Ella: KL Malaysia
sophia Placebo: nice poeple
arabella Ella: flying out tomorrow via cyprus and dubai
arabella Ella: i was there a few years ago
arabella Ella: got some good friends there too
Wol Euler: will yo have any time off while you are there?
arabella Ella: not really ... i could not extend as I have too many other committments here :(
Wol Euler: :
arabella Ella: but it will be a great experience anyway
sophia Placebo: good luck ara
arabella Ella: have you been there sophia?
arabella Ella: ty
sophia Placebo: nop i hope though i can go there in the future
Wol Euler: I'm sorry, my dears , I must go. Falling alseep at my desk. Goodnight all, see you tomorrow at 7am :)
arabella Ella: nite Wol lovely to cya
sophia Placebo: they say it is very nice country
Mickorod Renard: goodnight Wol
sophia Placebo: bye wol good night
arabella Ella: yes it is and they have gone a long way since colonialism
Yakuzza Lethecus: night wol
arabella Ella: to develop the economy and education too
Yakuzza Lethecus: i am al nearl one :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: goe
Yakuzza Lethecus: gone
Mickorod Renard: he he
arabella Ella: ??
Yakuzza Lethecus: my batteries re emtpy
arabella Ella: oh noooo
sophia Placebo: hehe yak
arabella Ella: lovely to cya too Yak
sophia Placebo: good night
Mickorod Renard: ok Yaku,,nite nite
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye
arabella Ella: nite

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*last mints chatting
arabella Ella: so sophia may i ask
sophia Placebo: yes
arabella Ella: do u do academic research too?
arabella Ella: u dont have to answer if u prefer not to
sophia Placebo: nop :) i choose not to go the path with service stations
Mickorod Renard: brb,,just puttin kettle on
arabella Ella smiles
sophia Placebo: though i force my self to go a nd drop applications but
arabella Ella: yes
sophia Placebo: didnt feel the urge to really do good in intervew or exams
arabella Ella: yes i understand
arabella Ella: u know sophia i really admire the way you manage to change your image so nicely here ... honestly
Mickorod Renard: bac
arabella Ella: very clever
sophia Placebo: hehe ty :)
arabella Ella: does it take a lot of time and patience?
sophia Placebo: it take time for sure , clock never stops , but i do it with pleasure
sophia Placebo: diffrent poeple react diffrently to diffrent styles
arabella Ella: yes
Mickorod Renard: ok guys,,I better get going
sophia Placebo: bye mick
arabella Ella: i liked your previous 'innocent' look with the blue skirt :)
arabella Ella: now this is the opposite
Mickorod Renard: bye Sophia,,Ara
arabella Ella: bye Micko
arabella Ella: nite
arabella Ella: cool exit mick
sophia Placebo: i like them all , but this is less
arabella Ella: this is more ... femme fatale
arabella Ella: u know what that means?
sophia Placebo: no what ?
arabella Ella: difficult to explain but
arabella Ella: a bit like a witch yet sophisticated as smoking with cigarette holder :)
arabella Ella: femme fatale means fatal female
sophia Placebo: lol
arabella Ella: in french
arabella Ella: i must go now
arabella Ella: lovely seeing u here
arabella Ella: nite nite
sophia Placebo: night ara :)
arabella Ella: nite