2009.06.16 19:00 - Being after birth and before death

The Guardian for this meeting was Eos Amaterasu. The comments are by Eos Amaterasu.

The first half hour it was just the pavilion the recorder, and Eos

Eos Amaterasu hears 15 minute bell, ding an sich

Paradise arrives, and we discuss intensity and the dream of death 

Paradise Tennant: hello :)
Eos Amaterasu: Hi Paradise!
Paradise Tennant: did I miss the session?
Eos Amaterasu: It's been just me so far
Eos Amaterasu: and the sound of the bell and the fountain
Eos Amaterasu: :-)
Paradise Tennant: ahh a quiet night so far
Eos Amaterasu: it felt good to just stop, or not feel that I have to keep going
Paradise Tennant: :))
Eos Amaterasu: How are you being :-) ?
Paradise Tennant: very well thank you and you :))
Eos Amaterasu: Pretty well, pretty intense
Paradise Tennant: :))
Eos Amaterasu: Sometimes it seems the life and death issues or demands are the really solid and important ones
Eos Amaterasu: which they are
Paradise Tennant: yes
Eos Amaterasu: but they open up an even bigger space underneath them
Paradise Tennant: very much a time of focus ..those points
Eos Amaterasu: appreciating the presence of those intense points
Eos Amaterasu: the intensity of which also questions yourself
Paradise Tennant: :)) I had a dream about death once.. it was not so bad ..
Paradise Tennant: kind of freeing .. peaceful and rather a big feeling
Eos Amaterasu: hmm, a bigger opening
Eos Amaterasu: Funny that we think more about what happens after death than we do about what happens before birth :-)
Paradise Tennant: a most excellen point !

stevenaia joins an all to brief discussion

Eos Amaterasu: Hi stevenaia
stevenaia Michinaga: hello
Paradise Tennant: hiya steve :)
Eos Amaterasu: & we're kind of in between
stevenaia Michinaga: yes Eos, very interesting perspective
stevenaia Michinaga: life after death, life before birth
Eos Amaterasu: & life in between :-)
stevenaia Michinaga: never even heard of it dreamed about
stevenaia Michinaga: or written about
Paradise Tennant: the buddhists call it the bardo the pre being experience or the inbetween space :))
stevenaia Michinaga: we think we take so much of us somewhere when we die, but we come into this world with the tools/skills we need to live a full life if we choose to
Paradise Tennant: yes
Eos Amaterasu: we come with a lot of presentation already packaged, so to speak
Eos Amaterasu: all our senses, for example
stevenaia Michinaga: yes we do come into this world with one thing...appreciation... for what feed us and keeps us alive, even before anything else, even before our first poop
Paradise Tennant: yes which really create our concept of the world almost independent of what it likely really is :))
Paradise Tennant: lol
Eos Amaterasu: and within those sense fields we find ourselves
Eos Amaterasu: and our worlds
stevenaia Michinaga: have you thought about "before birth" Eos?
Paradise Tennant: yes as we make it out to be
Eos Amaterasu: "before birth" is an interesting thought :-)
Eos Amaterasu: it's like that koan "what's your original face before your mother was born?"
Eos Amaterasu: Experientially, I kind of find myself here
Eos Amaterasu: That's part of the bardo, suspension, in between-ness
Eos Amaterasu: I'm being presented
Eos Amaterasu: as well as I'm presenting
Paradise Tennant: yes
Eos Amaterasu: I have tried to think the thought, "what if nothing had ever been?"
Eos Amaterasu: It's an impossible thought
Paradise Tennant: :))
Paradise Tennant: hmm
stevenaia Michinaga: might be easer to think about "before birth"
stevenaia Michinaga: I must go
Paradise Tennant: http://www.spiritualtravel.org/OBE/afterdeath.html
Eos Amaterasu: What do you think about "before birth", stevenaia
Eos Amaterasu: :-(
stevenaia Michinaga: sorry, t;s late
Paradise Tennant: :))
Paradise Tennant: it is a big big big big question
Eos Amaterasu: before things appear?
stevenaia Michinaga: I'll be here tomorrow to assist the Guardian
stevenaia Michinaga: yes :)
Eos Amaterasu: Perhaps I'll see you - ciao!
Paradise Tennant: i should go too .. I have a very early morning tomorrow ... be well eos .. be well steve :)))
stevenaia Michinaga: thank you
Eos Amaterasu: Midnight here: time to vanish!
Eos Amaterasu: Thanks, bye!