2009.06.15 13:00 - PaB and Metacommunication

The Guardian for this meeting was Stim Morane. The comments are by Stim Morane.

Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Stim
Stim Morane: Hi Scathach, Pila, Mick
Pila Mulligan: hi Stim, Scath, Mick and Wester
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello pila, mick, Wester
Stim Morane: Hi Wester
Mickorod Renard: Hi Stim, Pila Scath, wester
Wester Kiranov: hi stim, scáth, pila, mickey
sophia Placebo: greetings all
Wester Kiranov: greetings sophia
Mickorod Renard: Hiya Sophia, Wol
sophia Placebo: hi wol
Stim Morane: Hi Sophia, Wol
Wol Euler: good evening everyone!
Pila Mulligan: :) hi-bye sophia
Wester Kiranov: hi wol!
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello sophia
Scathach Rhiadra: Wol!
sophia Placebo: bye pila
Mickorod Renard: lol Wol,,whats an Autogynephilliac..or souldnt I ask?
Wol Euler: heheheheheh
Pila Mulligan: now I do :)
Pila Mulligan: aha, I did not see you :)
Wol Euler: in love with my own av :)
Pila Mulligan: hi Wol
Mickorod Renard: and why not ;)
Wol Euler grins
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
sophia Placebo: hi yak
Mickorod Renard: Hi Yak
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Yakuzza
Wester Kiranov: hi yaku
Stim Morane: hi Yakuzza
Pila Mulligan: hi Yakuzza
Wol Euler: guten abend, yakuzza
Mickorod Renard: Hi Tarmel
Wol Euler: hello tarmel
Wester Kiranov: hi tarmel
sophia Placebo: hi tarmel
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Tarmel
Pila Mulligan: hi Tarmel
Tarmel Udimo: Hi everyone
Stim Morane: Hi Tarmel
Mickorod Renard: this is why i sit here..i can see everyone arriving
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey tamel
Wol Euler: radar and the minimap can do that too, Mick :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: or you might install a radar
Mickorod Renard: thats all too complicated for me
Mickorod Renard: I used to have a HUD but folks used to complain about it,,
Mickorod Renard: Hi Fef
Wol Euler: hello fefonz
sophia Placebo: hi fef
Pila Mulligan: hi fonzy
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Fefonz
Stim Morane: hi Fefonz
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey fefonz
Wester Kiranov: hi fef
Fefonz Quan: Hello to the honorable circle :)
Fefonz Quan: you know that feeling when you step into a room and then everybody get silent ? :)
Wol Euler chuckles
Wol Euler: we weren't talking about you.
Scathach Rhiadra: :)
Wol Euler: honestly.
Wester Kiranov: we're just confused at being called honorable
sophia Placebo: :))
Fefonz Quan: ah, thought you had something imore interesting to discuss
Mickorod Renard: honour is an interesting subject
Wol Euler grins. Lead us off, Mick.
Mickorod Renard: lol
Wol Euler bites her tongue. Sorry, Stim, this is your session.
Yakuzza Lethecus: Maybe we need a few Klingons to discuss with us :)
Stim Morane: not at all. I'm just the bouncer.
Fefonz Quan: like Hillary Klingon?
Wol Euler: :)
Mickorod Renard: well,,as a kid the games I played with friends were all about honour
Stim Morane: :)
Mickorod Renard: these dys it seems diferent
Mickorod Renard: days
Wol Euler: how was that defined then, Mick?
Mickorod Renard: well,,we played s knights
Mickorod Renard: three musketeers
Fefonz Quan: wasn't that about swords?
Mickorod Renard: all for one and one for all
Fefonz Quan: ah, (s)words :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: So, it´s about virtue´s.
Wol Euler: heheheh
Mickorod Renard: well,,as cowboys we would never drawer first
Mickorod Renard: and we as knights would fight demons and dragons to save fair maidens
Tarmel Udimo: hehehe
Mickorod Renard: now its about who can sell most drugs and murder the next gang leader
Fefonz Quan: maybe you've changed neighbourhodd...
Mickorod Renard: he he he
Wol Euler: to be fair that was happening in our childhood too. The Kray Brothers in England, the Mafia in America ...
Mickorod Renard: true,,but as kids there was some inocence
Wol Euler: but it wasn't really something that people openly aspired to, that is different. So yes :)
Fefonz Quan: i would guess normative children today don't deal with drugs nad murders.
Yakuzza Lethecus: Ah, but i know many who are playing exactly that in onlinegames.
Fefonz Quan: (not outside computer games)
Mickorod Renard: a normal kid today plays playstation games
Mickorod Renard: yes
Fefonz Quan: well this is different i would guess.
Mickorod Renard: Hi Nymf
Nymf Hathaway: Hello everyone :)
Pila Mulligan: hi Nymf
Fefonz Quan: Hello Nymf
Yakuzza Lethecus: hello nymf
sophia Placebo: hi nymf
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Nymf
Wol Euler: hello nymf
Wester Kiranov: hi Nymf
Tarmel Udimo: hi
Stim Morane: Nymf
Pila Mulligan: we're still waiting for a topic, it seems
Nymf Hathaway: Oke :)
Pila Mulligan: unless it may be honor as an innocent childhood idea
Yakuzza Lethecus: I thought that we are at violent videogames :)
Tarmel Udimo: I guess the real question is can we be honorable in our dealings with ourselves?
Wester Kiranov: well i have a suggestion
Wester Kiranov: for a topic
Wol Euler: mmm?
Wester Kiranov: what exactly is this group supposed to do?
Wol Euler: ah
Wester Kiranov: in the recent conversations with kenji
Pila Mulligan: supposed to do implies something that may not be there, Wester
Wester Kiranov: something went not according to plan but i don't know what
Mickorod Renard: explore idea's and thoughts?
Wester Kiranov: yes, but all and any ideas and thoughts? And what are the discussion "rules"?
Pila Mulligan: maybe the question is how do dael with situations like those with Samuel and kenji, where someone seems to go off on a tangent
Fefonz Quan: as i saw it, kenji stepped on some toes here, which resulted in some reactions
Pila Mulligan: deal with*
Wester Kiranov: i'm sure i stepped on his toes too
Fefonz Quan: which is quite understandable.
Wol Euler nods
Mickorod Renard: Wester, i hope you are not feeling bad about this
Fefonz Quan: well, when the stepping on toe game starts, it is hard to stop
Wester Kiranov: i find it difficult to stay open in those kind of situations
Pila Mulligan: ... how to deal with group conflicts
Wester Kiranov: I'm not feeling bad about it, but I do feel I (or we) could learn something here
Mickorod Renard: I agree with you on that Wester
Fefonz Quan: which is exactly what i felt was happening --> the atmosphere became closed and tensed
Mickorod Renard: second that Fef
Tarmel Udimo: I was only at one meeting with kenji, but he was very agressive about everything that he had to say, so perhaps it is not what he says but how he says it
Tarmel Udimo: we have had many topics of conversation in these groups
Mickorod Renard: I meant I agree with,,[13:28] Wester Kiranov: i find it difficult to stay open in those kind of situations Wester
Fefonz Quan: agrees with Tarmel too
Wester Kiranov: I felt he was very dominationg but i found it very hard to put my finger on exactly what i wanted him to stop doing
Tarmel Udimo: I also didn't get the impression he was remotely interested in exploring anyone elses ideas
Fefonz Quan: i think the issue was not the words, but the 'meta-conversation'. that is also why others that looked at the log didn't get what went wrong
Tarmel Udimo: pushing buttons deliberately
Pila Mulligan: on this question, I would ask for some wisdom from Stim, as it was last week, I beleive that we had such an encounter here
Wester Kiranov: even when i look at the log myself i can't see what went wrong
Fefonz Quan: i am not sure it was deliberately Tarmel, but insensitively surely
Stim Morane: I don't have any great ideas, sorry.
Pila Mulligan: :)
Mickorod Renard: he emitted some tense feelings that i felt I picked up,,cant say much more
Tarmel Udimo: hummm I came to this conclusion after reading the other chat logs
Fefonz Quan: i found that is was fascinating to see the difference between what happenned in teh actial meeting and the log, the differences were huge
Stim Morane: that is often the case, Fefonz
Fefonz Quan: actual*
Stim Morane: especially when the situation is disturbing for the actual participants
Fefonz Quan: yes, somehow we (i) tend to assume this is a good documentation
Stim Morane: the log isn't very representative
Pila Mulligan: one factor missing from the log is timing
Stim Morane: there's a time element which is left out, for one thing. And it's different, of course, actually sitting there and feeling pressed to say or respond along certain disturbing lines.
Wol Euler nods
Tarmel Udimo: nods
Stim Morane: in any case, I agree that one can learn from such encounters, but there may not be any one lesson that is learned across the board re such situations
Nymf Hathaway: Has had a discussion with Kenji two or three days after the meeting at PaB and to me (at the time) and while talking with him afterwards was clear it was an sl communication-problem. He wanted to share in the conversation but his rapidl typing and confronting word-use made it seem he was a one-way person. SL can be very hard in really understanding each other.
Mickorod Renard: I am not totaly sure that was all Nymph
Wester Kiranov: I did feel he wanted to share too, but rapid typing and confronting word-use are not SL problems, they're general communication problems
Mickorod Renard: In early chat logs he pointed out clearly that he had diferent values to what i presume we largely have
Mickorod Renard: Hiya Ara
Fefonz Quan: as i saw it, there was some emotional-oriented talk going on, and he came back and took the last sentence of it and masde it into a very cold analytic (and a little provocative) philosophical debate
Wol Euler: hello ara
Stim Morane: hi arabella
Pila Mulligan: hi arabella
sophia Placebo: i didnt have problem with him -or feel like i have problem communicating with him- until h kept saying that he felt he is unwanted
arabella Ella: Hiya everyone!
sophia Placebo: hi ara
Nymf Hathaway: Hello Arabella :)
Wester Kiranov: hi ara
Tarmel Udimo: hi Arabella
Tarmel Udimo: and yet its interesting that he felt he couldn't come back and try to fit in with the group
Fefonz Quan: and another thing that was interesting, was that when someone said only one thing that seemed a little provocatice to him, he immediately wa offended and made a big issue out f it
sophia Placebo: he gives me this burden of guilt and urge to apologise or to leave so i would not to
Pila Mulligan: it may be more a matter of his habits than is values
Wol Euler nods
Nymf Hathaway: Isn't it so ...we all have things to learn in life... this goes for Kenji as well of course, as for us
Tarmel Udimo: hummm not sure Pila, the chat log about the deer I found very disturbing
Pila Mulligan: machismo, Tarmel
Pila Mulligan: it seemed to me at leats
Mickorod Renard: I dont think I read that Tarmel
Pila Mulligan: a very tough habit
Wester Kiranov: as long as you stay on "his" subject you're trapped, you can't steer away from it, and he doesn't take metacommunication very well. And there are others like that
Fefonz Quan: yes, they don't teach metcommunication in schools..
sophia Placebo: :)
Tarmel Udimo: yes its a tough habit Pila but is this group a therapy group:)
Mickorod Renard: well,,it was a rare occasion,,and i think the outcome for Kenji and the group was right,,maybe he will warm to our form of dialog and return
Mickorod Renard: oops
Mickorod Renard: return in a way that we feel easier with him
Pila Mulligan: I was remembering how Sam also had a compulsion to evoke conflict, there are some parallels -- and after Sam left there was some soul-searching too
Wol Euler: Pema wrote a note to the PaB google group about this, it should be in your in-trays today :)
Wol Euler: yes, definite paralells to Sam
Wester Kiranov: yeah, it's a nice note
Pila Mulligan: part of the consensus seems to be that we want to be friends
Nymf Hathaway: Has had an encounter of 1 year with Sam behind her :)
Wol Euler: if anyone isn't a member (and wnts to be) IM me with your e-mail address and I will add you to it.
Tarmel Udimo: I hope this doesn't mean that only a small group of people can belong to PaB and that we are not becoming cultish:)
sophia Placebo: short chats with sam no confrontation so far
Fefonz Quan: yes i think Sam was very different in that sense from kenji.
Wol Euler: in my experience Sam was fine one-on-one, only in the group did he have that compulsino to "perform"
sophia Placebo: so .... in case of group disturber the action is ....
Mickorod Renard: I think by having some sensitivity we come to learn how to express ourselves here,,maybe that sensitivity takes longer for some
Tarmel Udimo: nods
Nymf Hathaway: agrees with Mickorod
Pila Mulligan: some pieces of the puzzle seem to fit easily and some don't, at least untl it is finished :)
Wester Kiranov: what i would like is to be able to explain in a few words what this group is for, so it can be clearer what is going wrong
Wester Kiranov: we did say things like this is not a debate, or a philosophical discussion
Fefonz Quan: wESTER, I THINK IT IS MORE ABOUT *HOW* THE GROUP IS, RATHER THEN *WHAT* IS IT FOR
Pila Mulligan: :)
Wester Kiranov: but actually none of us minds those if they are done the right way
Fefonz Quan: oops, sorry about the caps....
Pila Mulligan: it seems Sophia suggested some kind of protocol to deal with situations like this
Wester Kiranov: ok,*how* then. Playful? Open?
sophia Placebo: me0o
Nymf Hathaway: Maybe ask that one to listen for a while instead of speaking...
Pila Mulligan: :) time out
Wester Kiranov: I like that one.
sophia Placebo: or maybe we ask ourselves to listen to a while befor speaking
Pila Mulligan: sophia Placebo: so .... in case of group disturber the action is Nymf Hathaway: Maybe ask that one to listen for a while instead of speaking -- the start of a disturbance protocol :)
Nymf Hathaway: agrees with Sophia, nice as well
Wester Kiranov: Put in extra silent periods, like the 15 minute bell, when things get out of hand
Tarmel Udimo: I actually don't think anything "wrong' happened
Pila Mulligan: but we still will need to get at the essential disturbance issue, the manner of interaction
Wester Kiranov: because if you ask someone to be silent while the others speak, he may protest
Fefonz Quan: yes! agree with Tarmel
Tarmel Udimo: and people who create a disturbance will be that
Mickorod Renard: do you think that we need to do this more regular,,or just if we encounter another who does not fit in ?
Scathach Rhiadra: good night all, Namaste:)
Tarmel Udimo: so we deal with it as it arises
Fefonz Quan: night Scath
sophia Placebo: bye scath
Pila Mulligan: bye Scathach
Tarmel Udimo: night Scath
Wol Euler: 'night scath, take care
Mickorod Renard: nite Scath
Stim Morane: bye Scathach
Wester Kiranov: bye scath
Nymf Hathaway: Bye bye Scathach :)
Pila Mulligan: I thnik it is an exceptional need, Mick -- where real conlfict is evident
Mickorod Renard: I would like to think that as a whole we work well together normally?
Tarmel Udimo: yes I agree Mick
Wol Euler: yes, we do. IMHO
Wester Kiranov: i think so, yes
Pila Mulligan: yes, this is an in-your-face situation
Mickorod Renard: thanks Pila,,I was getting paranoid
Pila Mulligan: :)
Pila Mulligan: there's button pushing and then there's big button pushing
Fefonz Quan: being a paranoid doesn't say you are not chased by Mick :)
Tarmel Udimo: :)
Mickorod Renard: he he
sophia Placebo: the thing is , poeple need time to change how they argue or how they behave
Tarmel Udimo: agree with Sophia
sophia Placebo: it may take more than one session with a disturber
Fefonz Quan: I would say that even more, dealing with conflicts is a part of the way things are , and trying to artificialy prevent them from happening somehow contrasts our practice and what we are doing here
Pila Mulligan: so maybe just let it all happen, up to and including the bad feelings
sophia Placebo: not prevent fef , but dealing with without the feeling we done some harm to someone or to oursellves
Wol Euler: yes, sophia, exactly
arabella Ella: i think we too need time, patience and sensitivity as one of the things we learn here is to listen ... and it takes some longer than others to learn the ways of any group, including this one
Wester Kiranov: helping ourselves to take a step back
Pila Mulligan: but thinking back to the day Sam pushed Tarmel too hard, that was a seriously bad feeling moment -- then what?
Fefonz Quan: yes to Pila. I didn't think we did harm Sophia
arabella Ella: and my suggestion is that if we see a conflict beginning to develop between two or more members in the group we could help out by telling the regular person to take a step back and dealing with it all with increased sensitivity
Mickorod Renard: also i see some issues we talked about in Stims WOK..I for one didnt want to confront Ken for fear of hurting his feelings,,but maybe i should have been honest
Wol Euler: not intentionally, but I think I did hurt Kenji last week, here and in the hour-long IM session that followed it.
sophia Placebo: no we didnt fefe , but some feels so other wise we wouldnt discuss it today or the days befor right
Tarmel Udimo: yes it was difficult Pila but it also meantI had to step up to the plate and be honest with him which it apperas he couldn't take
Pila Mulligan: :)
Wol Euler: that left him feeling very angry and insulted. I failed, I couldn'T get through to him
Wester Kiranov: i stopped my IM-session with kenji when it started to get out of hand - nice to know I', not the only one he IMéd ;)
Fefonz Quan: well Wol, it is hard to comment about your personal IM swordfights :)
Wol Euler: :)
Tarmel Udimo: didn't feel like either sam or Kenji are so concerned about the groups feelings
Tarmel Udimo: if they were they would remain and try to fit in:)
Pila Mulligan: maybe we are reflecting thoughts about the group's karma, if there is such a thing
arabella Ella: well one thing which i feel sums it all up is ... some people are not in the habit of listening so however much we try ... it may need longer ... if we have the patience ...
Fefonz Quan: i do find this issue of getting to IM interesting in that scenario.
Mickorod Renard: I agree with Tarmel
Fefonz Quan: it can be relaxing for some, but much more sharp and confrontential potentialy
sophia Placebo: i agree with ara re asking the regular to step back
Mickorod Renard: Ken made out on other logs he didnt care about what others thought,,as far as I interpretted it,,may be wrong
Fefonz Quan: and very much depends on the personal talker rather than on the group values
sophia Placebo: well on nearby subject
sophia Placebo: what expression you use usually if you see 2 fighting or in conflict?
Tarmel Udimo: sorry play meeting
arabella Ella: i also think this is a case of some ppl being raised to deliver sermons on their own pet beliefs ... and they often end up on their own soap box without expecting anyone to contradict or question what they say
sophia Placebo: some known phrases or something
Pila Mulligan: bye Tarmel
sophia Placebo: bye tarmel
Stim Morane: bye Tarmel
Tarmel Udimo: bye for now folks, keep up the good work:)
Wol Euler: bye tarmel, take care
Nymf Hathaway: Bye bye Tarmel :)
Wester Kiranov: bye tarmel
Mickorod Renard: bye tarmel
arabella Ella: bye tarmel
Fefonz Quan: bye tarmel
Stim Morane: I must go too. Thanks for the insights, everyone!
arabella Ella: bye stim
Mickorod Renard: bye Stim
Wester Kiranov: bye stim
sophia Placebo: bye sim
Nymf Hathaway: Bye bye Stim :)
Wol Euler: bye stim, take care
Pila Mulligan: bye Stim
Fefonz Quan: bye Stim
Wester Kiranov: my goodness, that time already? :-) have to leave to. bye & thanks
Fefonz Quan: Night Wester
sophia Placebo: bye wester
Pila Mulligan: bye Wester
Mickorod Renard: bye wester
Nymf Hathaway: Bye bye Wester :)
Wol Euler: 'night wester, sleep well
arabella Ella: nite wes!
Wester Kiranov: namaste
Mickorod Renard: I am sure we all need to just move on,,and let things be
Pila Mulligan: ... until next time :)
Wol Euler: sure, there will be a next time.
Mickorod Renard: he he
Wol Euler: Wester is right, we should consider a strategy for dealing with ... insensitivity, let's say.
Wol Euler: (not that we weren't doing that!)
Mickorod Renard: I think these things are like a car accident,,you cannot always foresee them regardless of how much u prepare
Fefonz Quan: we can make a notecard, like the one we give to newbies
arabella Ella: perhaps the note we give to newbies could include some of the values and practices of the group?
sophia Placebo: but you can slow down so the impact is to minimum mick
Fefonz Quan: i would say it is more like changes of teh weather
Nymf Hathaway: I think I agree with Sophia more than with my own suggestion...if the rest would keep quiet the disturber must notice his words are doing something with the group
Mickorod Renard: I have never slowed down Sophia,,that wud take me outside my comfort zone
sophia Placebo: hehe
Mickorod Renard: grin
Fefonz Quan: we have never promised you a cmomfort zone here Mick :)
Fefonz Quan: neither comfort
Pila Mulligan: to paraphrase Pema's emial, when people visiting in the future and try confrontation and aggressive styles, the main challenge is to point out to them, right from the beginning, that there are alternatives to their approach
Wol Euler: I thought that was the pile of pillows over there?
Mickorod Renard: ahh well,,you gave me one neverthe less
Fefonz Quan: Pila's?
Pila Mulligan: "This will remain a formidable challenge, and we should be resigned to the fact that some people will "just not understand", for quite a while at least."
Pila Mulligan: quoting Pema
Wol Euler nods
sophia Placebo: i didnt understand pemas email ,practically when i imagine it , me thinks its pema style , if i do that it would come out like : my son this you are right but might be wrong too keep that in mind , i imagine the infront of me would like to chop my toung :)
arabella Ella: yes, it can take time, longer than some of us may expect
Pila Mulligan: but we are being taught by these experiences
arabella Ella nods
Mickorod Renard: yes
Nymf Hathaway: Hello Gandaft :)
Mickorod Renard: until the next crash,,,,i mean conflict
Pila Mulligan: sophia, I like the image :)
sophia Placebo: of choping toung :)
Mickorod Renard: ok Folks,,I have to go home..find some pillows
sophia Placebo: bye mick
Wol Euler: 'night Mick, sleep well
arabella Ella: bye mick
Pila Mulligan: bye Mick, have a comfortable evening
Nymf Hathaway: Have a good night Mickorod :)
Mickorod Renard: bye all,,peace be with you
Pila Mulligan: and with you
sophia Placebo: me too have to leave
Pila Mulligan: bye sophia
arabella Ella: bye sophia
Wol Euler: bye sophia, take care.
Fefonz Quan: Bye Sophia, Mick
Nymf Hathaway: Bye bye Sophia, nice to see you again :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye
sophia Placebo: nice to see you too nymf :)
arabella Ella: i must go too nite everyone :)
Fefonz Quan: night Ara
Wol Euler: goodnight ara, sleep well
Pila Mulligan: bye arabella
Nymf Hathaway: Bye bye Arabella...too fast :(
Yakuzza Lethecus: this was a bit disturbing today
Fefonz Quan: in what way?
Wol Euler: say more?
Yakuzza Lethecus: just because samuel is also on my fiends list
Pila Mulligan: mine to Yakuzza
Pila Mulligan: too*
Wol Euler smiles and shakes her head. I have nothing against Sam, I had many pleasant discussions with him -- away from the group.
Yakuzza Lethecus: and i never saw him aggressiv in any way
Nymf Hathaway: I am sorry to have said something that made you feel bad Yakuzza
Pila Mulligan: I like Sam and kenji actually, it is not their person's that were distressing to me
Wol Euler: right
Yakuzza Lethecus: you don´t have to if it happened in that way
Yakuzza Lethecus: but anyway it was just that i didn´t feel well
Yakuzza Lethecus: i don´t want to dig deeper
Pila Mulligan: I think there were such feelings all around today
Pila Mulligan: Wol, I wonder why your avi has not rezzed for this whole session, you are still just a Lindenesque cloud in my screen
Wol Euler: oh, now you tell me.
Fefonz Quan: just for you Pila
Nymf Hathaway: :)))
Pila Mulligan: ah, ok
Wol Euler: lemme just rebake
Yakuzza Lethecus: i am glad my computer didin´t freeze today with the regular client
Nymf Hathaway: Ctrl alt R should do the trick
Fefonz Quan: what does that do Nymf?
Yakuzza Lethecus: i was already trying to use text sl
Pila Mulligan: there's Wol now :)
Nymf Hathaway: it rezzes your avi faster Fefonz
Fefonz Quan: ah, cool.
Pila Mulligan: what text client did you try Yakuzza?
Yakuzza Lethecus: text sl
Wol Euler: it sometimes also works if you just zoom in really close on whoever wont rezz.
Yakuzza Lethecus: it is for blind people
Yakuzza Lethecus: but you do everything like in zork
Pila Mulligan: I tried one, but it was diffiuclt wihtout the graphics
Wol Euler: wow.
Yakuzza Lethecus: so you have just a ,,notepad" for second life :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: but it works
Yakuzza Lethecus: but no logs and im´s didn´t work
Wol Euler: um, how do you work that if there is no IM?
Yakuzza Lethecus: i treid ajaxlife but it didn´t work either
Pila Mulligan: i think the one I tried was called Slim
Pila Mulligan: but not sure
Wol Euler: how can you move your av to a location for local chat, if you cannot see the av moving?
Pila Mulligan: that's the dificluty Wol
Pila Mulligan: yuo can't
Wol Euler: huh
Yakuzza Lethecus: just describe object
Yakuzza Lethecus: and sit object
Pila Mulligan: I would use the SL client to get there, then change over to the text client
Yakuzza Lethecus: second i look for a link
Wol Euler: how curious.
Yakuzza Lethecus: http://textsl.org/
Nymf Hathaway: resulting for Pila .... in sitting on objects he wouldn't have chosen with a visual client :) In the end I made him a special cushion..he could see in his cliet :)
Nymf Hathaway: client
Pila Mulligan: in fact, at Nymf's old forum there was one special cushion set aside for text cleint people, so they would not sit on someone else
Pila Mulligan: :)
Pila Mulligan: same idea
Nymf Hathaway: :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: it worked and i managed to come to the circle here one time last week
Yakuzza Lethecus: and sad on a pillow
Pila Mulligan: an empty one :) ?
Nymf Hathaway: smiles
Yakuzza Lethecus: yes but i couldn´t check that
Yakuzza Lethecus: at least eliza didn´t tell me that a took place on anyone
Yakuzza Lethecus: not eliza
Nymf Hathaway: signing up for PaB be right back :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: who is that fairy ?
Pila Mulligan: so ont he objects list, for here, Wol, there's a list of quite a few 'zabuton ...' and you just highlight one and click sit
Wol Euler: fael?
Wol Euler: or stargate sometimes wears wings
Fefonz Quan: haven't seen her in a while
Wol Euler: she tends to be on very early, the 1am sessios
Fefonz Quan: aha
Wol Euler: I shall have to go, my dears, I have a sleep deficit to catch up on.
Wol Euler: goodnight all, take care
Pila Mulligan: bye Wol, sweet dreams
Fefonz Quan: night Wol, sleep well
Pila Mulligan: so now you are home, Fefonz -- nice emial about the luggage
Nymf Hathaway: back and for the record; have a goodnight Wol
Pila Mulligan: :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: yeah it was fael
Yakuzza Lethecus: good night everyone
Fefonz Quan: no, i9 was on a trip home pila and came back,...
Nymf Hathaway: Bye bye Yakuzza
Fefonz Quan: and thanks
Fefonz Quan: night Yakuzza
Pila Mulligan: bye Yakuzza
Pila Mulligan: do you have any relflections on your time in the US? (one's you would like to share?)
Fefonz Quan: this time is not up yet :)
Pila Mulligan: oh, I misunderstood
Pila Mulligan: now I see
Fefonz Quan: and i have a lot of reflections, not sure the PaB chat log is interested in them :)
Pila Mulligan: :) well, I am -- but maybe another time
Fefonz Quan: sure, anytime you like Pila
Nymf Hathaway: Your avi looks like John Lennon Fefonz
Fefonz Quan: is it? i never noticed
Fefonz Quan: just the glasses maybe.
Nymf Hathaway: yes it looks nice :) maybe sing Imagine? :)
Fefonz Quan: pum pum pum....
Pila Mulligan: Nymf, Fefonz has been an associate of Pema's in Princeton for about a year now
Nymf Hathaway: :))
Nymf Hathaway: ah oke
Nymf Hathaway: No John Lennon at all :)
Fefonz Quan: i play the guitar though :)
Nymf Hathaway: Nice :))
Pila Mulligan: special projects person
Pila Mulligan: with guitar :)
Fefonz Quan ponders where he should be in order to be a john lennon associate...
Nymf Hathaway: :))
Fefonz Quan: prefer Pema's department for now :)
Pila Mulligan: :)
Nymf Hathaway: I should be eating something...I skipped dinner :(
Pila Mulligan: is Pema ever going to be there in person?
Pila Mulligan: wow, and late for you now Nymf
Fefonz Quan: yeah, not a nice drill Nymf
Nymf Hathaway: yes it is :(
Pila Mulligan: my stomach would be objecting strenously
Nymf Hathaway: it is here as well :))
Fefonz Quan: Europe Nymf?
Pila Mulligan: maybe a midnight snack?
Nymf Hathaway: will be logging off, wishing you both a wonderful conversation and see you soon :)
Nymf Hathaway: yes Netherlands
Pila Mulligan: bye Nymf, sweet dreams ( and maybe sweet snacks)
Fefonz Quan: nice, also Pema's homeland
Fefonz Quan: bye Nymf
Nymf Hathaway: yes it is :)
Nymf Hathaway: Bye bye you both :) Pila have a lovely day
Pila Mulligan: :)
Nymf Hathaway: IMs pfff
Nymf Hathaway: but bye now :)
Pila Mulligan: bye :)
Fefonz Quan: good night
Fefonz Quan: we should have stopped the recording long ago...
Pila Mulligan: shalll we turn off the recorder?