2009.06.09 07:00 - Journey, not Destination

The Guardian for this meeting was Riddle Sideways. The comments are by Riddle Sideways.

Please walk with Gaya, Adams and I.
We shall chat some. Perhaps you will be amused.

Riddle Sideways: Good Morning, Gaya
Riddle Sideways: oops , I mean Adams

Adams Rubble: Hi Riddle :)
Riddle Sideways: is not polite of me to point
Adams Rubble: Thought you were speaking in riddles. hehe
Riddle Sideways: but I need to point at you to see who you are today
Adams Rubble: Hello Gaya :)
Riddle Sideways: now I shall say... Good Morning Gaya
Adams Rubble: It got almost completely dark here today from a thunderstorm passing over
Adams Rubble: like night
Adams Rubble: quite an appearance :)
Riddle Sideways: WB
Gaya Ethaniel: Thanks :)
Riddle Sideways: oooo I really like both our outfits
Gaya Ethaniel: ^__^
Riddle Sideways: dark during the day is something to make us stop and see
Riddle Sideways: a full moon a night ago made me stop and see
Adams Rubble: :)
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Adams Rubble: Dark when it is supposed to be day and day when it is supposed to be dark :)
Adams Rubble: What's the world coming to (giggles)
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Riddle Sideways: on grand scales like that (of things not suppose to be) make us wake up
Riddle Sideways: am trying to be awake for the small usual things now
Adams Rubble nods
Gaya Ethaniel nods ... me too.
Riddle Sideways: yesterday there was a kid with a flashlight
Riddle Sideways: during middle of bright sunny day
Riddle Sideways: I got lost off in what does he see
Riddle Sideways: or see extra with the flashlight
Adams Rubble: I can see :)
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Riddle Sideways: :)
Adams Rubble: playing detective maybe
Gaya Ethaniel: Did you talk to him?
Adams Rubble: or maybe it was a laser weapon
Riddle Sideways: no, it was momentary tthing
Gaya Ethaniel: ah ...
Riddle Sideways: and I got more out of not knowing the truth
Adams Rubble: :)
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Riddle Sideways that is avery funny statement
Adams Rubble: Are you trying to concentrate on the APAPB Riddle?
Adams Rubble: hehe. ys Riddle
Riddle Sideways: yes, but notofficially
Gaya Ethaniel: Journeys are as important as the destinations I guess.
Riddle Sideways: I think I have let the jouney become more important then the destinations
Gaya Ethaniel: Please say more?
Riddle Sideways: seem to not finish sentences anymore because the start and jouney of part sentence is enough
Adams Rubble: :)
Gaya Ethaniel ponders ...
Adams Rubble: It is not necessarily necessary to fonish your....
Gaya Ethaniel: Sorry brb
Riddle Sideways: knowing the TRUTH (or falseness) of a thing might not be as important as how you feel passing by it right now
Adams Rubble: just appreciate its appearance :)
Riddle Sideways: and presentation
Adams Rubble: :)
Riddle Sideways: so many traditions teach of not able tto see Being directly
Riddle Sideways: not seeing the truth directly
Adams Rubble did not know that
Gaya Ethaniel: back
Riddle Sideways: but viewing the presentation
Riddle Sideways: not looking at G-d directly
Riddle Sideways: but seeing the works of everywhere
Adams Rubble: ah, I understand better now
Adams Rubble: yes
Riddle Sideways: learning from the great spirit who came in the shape of wolf
Adams Rubble: We don;t see each other directly here either...only our manifestations as avatars
Riddle Sideways: that is why I know both of you to be G-d
Adams Rubble giggles
Gaya Ethaniel: Not sure which started what but in general, I'm not as much bothered about 'not knowing' as in the past.
Adams Rubble: The God in all of us
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Adams Rubble: whoops, the Being in all of us
Riddle Sideways: not need to know that truth, just that I click some stuff and 2 avatar godish reflections appear to teach me
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Adams Rubble: We kick words around here often and sometimes my eyes glaze over but once in a while we hit it right and something breaks through, It just did for me :)
Gaya Ethaniel: Actually we do look similar Riddle :)
Riddle Sideways: yes, yes, yes
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Adams Rubble: for the first time maybe, I unerstand the Being in us
Riddle Sideways: can you form worrds to help us
Gaya Ethaniel listens.
Adams Rubble: It was a flash
Adams Rubble: a seres of ideas...not seeing G-d directly, then our avatars as a manifestation, then the G-d in all of us, then a jump to Being and it clicked for me today :)
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Riddle Sideways: nice reference to click
Riddle Sideways: seeing Being in what usually is not thought of as such
Riddle Sideways: then clicking
Riddle Sideways: birth a begining
Riddle Sideways: death a destination
Riddle Sideways: what you travel through
Riddle Sideways: isimportant
Adams Rubble: hmmm
Adams Rubble: we exist before birth in the minds of ourn parents
Adams Rubble: we exist after death in the minds of our children and others
Riddle Sideways: we exist after death in the momories of all
Riddle Sideways: that we touched
Adams Rubble: yes
Gaya Ethaniel: What is the significance of existance before and after?
Adams Rubble: only it changes the perception of what we think of as our lives Gaya
Adams Rubble: in whose mind do we exist?
Adams Rubble: changes the focus
Gaya Ethaniel ponders ...
Riddle Sideways: hard question, Gaya
Gaya Ethaniel: Yeah ... it is ...
Adams Rubble: not really important except it is another way of looking at ourselves
Riddle Sideways: looking at ourselves looking at memories or future events
Riddle Sideways: pondering the deeper what-ifs
Riddle Sideways: what if my son where still alive
Adams Rubble: forces us to look outward
Adams Rubble: who are we touching :)
Riddle Sideways: when I have grandkids will they sit upon my lap
Gaya Ethaniel: Your son died? I'm sorry Riddle ...
Riddle Sideways: was I searching for the big huge emense picture
Riddle Sideways: head in clouds
Riddle Sideways: feet feeling the earth
Riddle Sideways: while doing (something important) yesterday, I saw a butterfly being chased/followed by a moth
Riddle Sideways: why were they doing that?
Gaya Ethaniel: That is a strange sight ... never seen that before.
Riddle Sideways: a little thing
Riddle Sideways: it meant something
Riddle Sideways: for about the 20th time, I had tostop and think/ponder that little thing
Gaya Ethaniel: People express concern when I ponder like that :)
Gaya Ethaniel: "Do you want something?" "How can you just sit there doing nothing?" etc etc
Riddle Sideways: yes, my boss said "why are you standing here?"
Riddle Sideways: I lied and said that I lost an idea somewhere around here
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Riddle Sideways: and looking for it again
Gaya Ethaniel: A necessary lie I guess ...
Riddle Sideways: actually it was a (sort of) dead spot in the hallway that I always walk around
Gaya Ethaniel: :))
Riddle Sideways: had never been in that spot
Riddle Sideways: I was there to appreciate
Riddle Sideways: and got caught
Gaya Ethaniel: That happens :)
Adams Rubble: :)
Riddle Sideways: at the beginning of 100 days, I wrote A.P.A. on my little white board
Riddle Sideways: co-worker asked "whatz dat mean?"
Gaya Ethaniel: What did you say?
Riddle Sideways: I think I gave 3 quick answers.
Riddle Sideways: just this bunch of letters... something for me to do... the answer to the question of the universe
Adams Rubble: :)
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Riddle Sideways: he just said "Oh"
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Riddle Sideways: they look at me that way, Gaya
Gaya Ethaniel: I know the look -_-
Adams Rubble nods
Adams Rubble: For the past year I have appeared a bit odder than I uised to to people
Gaya Ethaniel: An honest friend went as far as saying "why make it complicated?"
Adams Rubble: and to people here too (giggles)
Riddle Sideways: :) both
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Riddle Sideways: happy anniversery, Adams
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Adams Rubble: Thanks Riddle
Gaya Ethaniel: Think I said something like it's worth thinking about ...
Adams Rubble: I expect to get a good deal odder in the next year :)
Gaya Ethaniel: Odder? Puleez NoooOOooo heheheh
Adams Rubble: but hopefully more loving to those who think I am :)
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Riddle Sideways: sorry to say it, but I am no odder then I have always been :)
Gaya Ethaniel guffaws.
Adams Rubble: :)
Gaya Ethaniel: Your first PaB anniversary was back in April right Riddle?
Riddle Sideways: yes
Adams Rubble: Riddle was here before PaB time :)
Gaya Ethaniel nods ... read the early logs.
Riddle Sideways: and I remember Gaya's first few times, but can't remember the month
Gaya Ethaniel: :) 29 June Sunday was my first session.
Adams Rubble: Riddle was at the ranch when video arrived :)
Gaya Ethaniel: ah ...
Adams Rubble: ah soon for you Gaya :)
Gaya Ethaniel: Yes :)
Gaya Ethaniel: So no changes then Riddle?
Riddle Sideways: only that there is continual change
Riddle Sideways: some changes... we use to line stones up to do computing
Adams Rubble giggles
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Gaya Ethaniel giggles.
Riddle Sideways: :)
Riddle Sideways: oh, I always thought they were lending me more stones to work with
Riddle Sideways: they were throwing them?
Gaya Ethaniel guffaws.
Riddle Sideways: those innocence are always casting the first stones
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Riddle Sideways: well, I am appreciating the presence of 2 of my oldest friendships in SL
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Riddle Sideways: at least your appearance here
Gaya Ethaniel nods :)
Riddle Sideways: there are now many moments in RL when somebody will say a phrase that comes from/ belongs from SL
Riddle Sideways: somebody said "No Time" last week
Riddle Sideways: "Shabbot is the No Time moment"
Riddle Sideways: I pretty much lost whatever he said after that
Gaya Ethaniel: I had that last week when reading TS Elliot's first Quartet in English for the first time.
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Riddle Sideways: flashing back to all the words you G-ds have taught me
Riddle Sideways: yes, seeing english for you must do that
Riddle Sideways: SL being somuch english
Gaya Ethaniel: [That's only the first part I think]

Postcard note from Gaya,

Time present and time past
Are both perhaps present in time future,
And time future contained in time past.
If all time is eternally present
All time is unredeemable.
What might have been is an abstraction
Remaining a perpetual possibility
Only in a world of speculation.
What might have been and what has been
Point to one end, which is always present.
Footfalls echo in the memory
Down the passage which we did not take
Towards the door we never opened
Into the rose-garden. My words echo
Thus, in your mind.
                              But to what purpose
Disturbing the dust on a bowl of rose-leaves
I do not know.
                        Other echoes
Inhabit the garden. Shall we follow?
Quick, said the bird, find them, find them,
Round the corner. Through the first gate,
Into our first world, shall we follow
The deception of the thrush? Into our first world.
There they were, dignified, invisible,
Moving without pressure, over the dead leaves,
In the autumn heat, through the vibrant air,
And the bird called, in response to
The unheard music hidden in the shrubbery,
And the unseen eyebeam crossed, for the roses
Had the look of flowers that are looked at.
There they were as our guests, accepted and accepting.
So we moved, and they, in a formal pattern,
Along the empty alley, into the box circle,
To look down into the drained pool.
Dry the pool, dry concrete, brown edged,
And the pool was filled with water out of sunlight,
And the lotos rose, quietly, quietly,
The surface glittered out of heart of light,
And they were behind us, reflected in the pool.
Then a cloud passed, and the pool was empty.
Go, said the bird, for the leaves were full of children,
Hidden excitedly, containing laughter.
Go, go, go, said the bird: human kind
Cannot bear very much reality.
Time past and time future
What might have been and what has been
Point to one end, which is always present.

Riddle Sideways: TY, was going to look it up
Gaya Ethaniel: yw :)
Gaya Ethaniel: Time to get back to RL. Lovely seeing you both again. Enjoy your day :)
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Riddle Sideways: me too, must go
Riddle Sideways: thank you both
Gaya Ethaniel waves.
Riddle Sideways: you too
Riddle Sideways: Addamz
Riddle Sideways: :)