2009.06.06 01:00 - Words and Philosophies, Mumbo-Jumbo

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Scathach Rhiadra. The comments are by Scathach Rhiadra.

    Yakuzza and I discussed the confusion that can be caused by words, philosophies and 'experts'; what are we really looking for, the nature of reality, happiness?


    Yakuzza Lethecus: i hope you got a good morning so far
    Scathach Rhiadra: yes, thank you!
    Scathach Rhiadra: and how are you today?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i just got my first coffee, i was reading a bit already
    Scathach Rhiadra: :) an early start
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i usually wake up between 6-7 am even on weekends
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but it´s 9 am for you when i remember right
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and who knows when you woke up :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: yes it is 9 am
    Scathach Rhiadra: but I usually attend a meeting here in SL at 6 am on Saturday, I was late this morning so the other people had left
    Scathach Rhiadra: I need a new alarm clock:)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i fall asleep yesterday evening
    Scathach Rhiadra: ha, during PaB?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i think i swiched 2nd life off at 6 am
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yeah, i am not always sitting in front of my pc
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i like watching it from my couch with my wireless keyboard...
    Yakuzza Lethecus: that happens a lot
    Scathach Rhiadra: ah, I tried a wireless keyboard, but it does not seem to work well for my setup, keeps missing letters I type
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i just don´t want to sitt stuck in front of my pc all the time
    Scathach Rhiadra nods
    Scathach Rhiadra: it can get uncomfortable
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i am still spending too much time in front of this computer, i am still trying to understand what is senseful and what can for example 2nd life really provide
    Scathach Rhiadra: ah, that is very difficult question!
    Scathach Rhiadra: what do you think so far?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: It is a great tool to get in contact with people out of many fields, from philosophy to people with more scientific experiences
    Scathach Rhiadra nods
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but i feel that i am not learning that much here, it seems more to be able to talk about the things i´ve been reading about
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and so to remember things better and learn different words for the same things, its complicated
    Scathach Rhiadra: mmm, interacting with other people with the same interests?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: sure
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ah, sometimes it also provides me with new topics i should read about
    Scathach Rhiadra: yes, I find that too
    Yakuzza Lethecus: 2nd life can´t exist without real life, that´s what i can tell for sure
    Yakuzza Lethecus: lol, but that is even very obvious :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: :))
    Scathach Rhiadra: it is a part of our RLs, a very important part for some
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yeah, i am scared of starting to construct things in this ,,virtual world"
    Scathach Rhiadra: can you say more?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: because it is virtual
    Yakuzza Lethecus: because when i leave 2nd life one day all those things are gone and those items would bind me more to 2nd life
    Scathach Rhiadra: but do we not construct 'virtual worlds' in our minds anyway?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: that is true, take plato´s cave
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but i am not a great philosopher, how we ,,construct our reality" out of our memory and experiences is nothing i am a professional in :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: neither am I:)
    Scathach Rhiadra: but we have our own experience, really that is all anyone has, no matter how expert!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: But we don´t talk about reality all the time so for many of us comes the verbal compentence to talk about reality no nativly.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: at least in my envrionment nobody was ever talking about ,,reality" and how we ,,create our reality"
    Scathach Rhiadra: hmmm, most don't think about reality at all, no one has all the words to describe their experiences of reality
    Yakuzza Lethecus: I think we always had a very restricted code on feelings and metaphysics and those words were not even clearly in use.
    Scathach Rhiadra nods
    Scathach Rhiadra: so maybe talking here, we can get a sense of what we mean, and what others are trying to say
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i can still remember when metapysics had the meaning of ,,mambo jumbo" for me
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and i never heard about aristotle in those days
    Scathach Rhiadra: and I don't know much about western philosophy at all:)
    Scathach Rhiadra: so most of the terms and words are still mumbo jumbo to me:)
    Scathach Rhiadra: I suppose that is why we try to avoid speculation and theory here, and try to speak from experience
    Yakuzza Lethecus: I don´t know if that was theorie, it is already about a concrete experience
    Yakuzza Lethecus: to have a prejudice on a topic
    Yakuzza Lethecus: to use words in wrong ways
    Scathach Rhiadra nods
    Scathach Rhiadra: but they may not be wrong words, just have different meaning to different people
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i have no idea about eastern philosophy and i still scatch on the surface but since i hear more about eastern philosophy latly it seems to be a problem to learn the language because what it´s about is already in us
    Scathach Rhiadra: yes it is a problem for everyone
    Scathach Rhiadra: sometimes we have to keep stopping, in a discussion, and asking people what they mean by something, because you suddenly realise that you may mean something completely different, or understand something different
    Scathach Rhiadra: like trying to get to the root, or a common understanding
    Scathach Rhiadra: see through the words, so to speak
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, that is especially a problem for me since i don´t know anybody who´s talking about emotions and identity, the when you don´t understand someone like that it´s even likly to consider that as mumbo jumbo :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: But i don´t know who to talk about peceptions, my senses, if i am really thinking in language, emotions very well.
    Scathach Rhiadra: mmm, have you tried the 9 seconds practice much?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: you mean outside of 2nd life ?
    Scathach Rhiadra: yes in RL
    Yakuzza Lethecus: no not in real life
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i try not to think and feel more often without thinking
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but always longer then 9 seconds
    Scathach Rhiadra nods
    Yakuzza Lethecus: without thinking verbally
    Yakuzza Lethecus: that was what i meant up there
    Scathach Rhiadra nods
    Scathach Rhiadra: I don't think there is any 'correcr' or 'right' way to think, depends on each person's experience, so philosophies are not always helpful, but I could be wrong:)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: lol, you have to understand them first :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: or you have to understand yourself first maybe:)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: Yeah, that seems to be the main issue for me.
    Scathach Rhiadra: and for everyone else too:)
    Scathach Rhiadra: it sometimes seems like we all try to construct an explaination of where everything or everybody fits in the world, but we really don't know our own true natures
    Yakuzza Lethecus: nods
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i am only scared of those people who ,,offer solutions"
    Scathach Rhiadra: agreed:)
    Scathach Rhiadra: they can seem so certain, but if you look closely at them they seem to be looking for confirmation or validation all the time
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i believe for example that happyness is just a decission in some way but why do i decide to be unhappy sometimes
    Yakuzza Lethecus: its blurry
    Scathach Rhiadra nods
    Scathach Rhiadra: maybe we restrict the things that make us happy, and persue them too much, so we become unhappy without them
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i agree
    Scathach Rhiadra: so letting go our desires and wants, may open up for more real happiness
    Yakuzza Lethecus: For example i consider it as a bad thing to just live in the day and watching daily soaps and talkshows is bad, but am i right in my opinion when a person who does that is happy and i am not ?
    Scathach Rhiadra: mmm, well they may be happy when their tv shows are available, but what happens when they are not?
    Scathach Rhiadra: can they be happy in any situation, or at least not constantly wishing things were otherwise?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: Family desaster when the tv or pc got a malefunction :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: Yeah, i guess i am also searching for an happiness out of myself and not through external motives.
    Scathach Rhiadra: I think we all are Yak, and maybe that is the commonality we have here, no matter what philosophies, cultures we have
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ok, nice talking to you!
    Scathach Rhiadra: nice talking to you too, have a good day:)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: Namasté
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