Wol Euler recovered this session from the autologging database. Threedee was the guardian.
Adelene Dawner: Hiya, Luv. :)
Threedee Shepherd: Hiya Dear
Adelene Dawner: How's things?
Adelene Dawner: Hi :)
SpaceAce Wormser: Chello
Threedee Shepherd: hi
Threedee Shepherd: Hello Friedrich
Friedrich Ochsenhorn: hi there
Friedrich Ochsenhorn: how are you both doing? I know its been ages?
Threedee Shepherd: I have not seen you for months. How are you?
Friedrich Ochsenhorn: great. thanks for asking.
Friedrich Ochsenhorn: you look well
Threedee Shepherd: I am, thank you
Friedrich Ochsenhorn: hi adelene. how are you?
Adelene Dawner: well, thanks ^.^
syros Soulstar: hi everyone:)
Friedrich Ochsenhorn: hi syros
Threedee Shepherd: hi syros/buddha
syros Soulstar: hiya three:)
Friedrich Ochsenhorn: either/or?
syros Soulstar: sure..
syros Soulstar: either is fine
Threedee Shepherd: So, Friedrich, any recent thoughts re PaB?
Friedrich Ochsenhorn: recent, as in within the last half a year since i have been here?
Friedrich Ochsenhorn: considering PaB concerns all of being, I should hope so!
Threedee Shepherd: indeed
Friedrich Ochsenhorn: now i painted myself in a corner, huh?
Friedrich Ochsenhorn: its been a really good semester.
Friedrich Ochsenhorn: now taht summer vacation is upon me, and I /only/ need to work full time, i have been fishing for projects
Threedee Shepherd: projects of what kind?
Friedrich Ochsenhorn: constructive ways to invest my energy, preferably involving community
Friedrich Ochsenhorn: ideally, contributing to the lasting public good
Friedrich Ochsenhorn: so, here I am ;-)
Threedee Shepherd: OK, can you give examples of things that are not harmful/hurtful and such, that do NOT contribute to the public good?
Friedrich Ochsenhorn: well, not too inward focused
Friedrich Ochsenhorn: i think priorities are important.
Friedrich Ochsenhorn: but, i suppose you could make a strong case for lots of activities
Friedrich Ochsenhorn: gambling. if i spent the summer gambling, i doubt that would contribute much to the public good
Threedee Shepherd: Perhaps it might help the economy?
Friedrich Ochsenhorn: heh. that's how we got here, no?
Friedrich Ochsenhorn: maybe it is the way out
Threedee Shepherd: No, we got here by speculation, honest gambling does not destroy resources, it only moves them around with some multiplier effect.
Friedrich Ochsenhorn: so, what has PaB been up too lately. Aside from what I might find on the site?
Friedrich Ochsenhorn: (the short version. of course i could read all the logs....)
Threedee Shepherd: nothing significantly different.I think perhaps attendance is off a bit--at least at sessions I go to--but there are many new members. A group is meeting for a multi-day retreat in First Life in California, in August
Friedrich Ochsenhorn: excellent.
Friedrich Ochsenhorn: i did read a book lately that got me thinking about this project again
Friedrich Ochsenhorn: finite and infinite games
Friedrich Ochsenhorn: by Carse, I think. it was all about looking at life thorugh play
Threedee Shepherd: what is a typical example of each. Checkers is finite?
Friedrich Ochsenhorn: for sure. but it was a strange book. not really made of definitions or arguments. more like assertions, with the flavor of koans
Threedee Shepherd: ahh
Friedrich Ochsenhorn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finite_...Infinite_Games
Friedrich Ochsenhorn: finite games are the kind that can have winners
Friedrich Ochsenhorn: that's important. and, notions of how no player, of eitehr type, can ever play unwillingly
Friedrich Ochsenhorn: anyway, it was lots of fun, and reminded me alot of PaB's founding mantra
Friedrich Ochsenhorn: are any of you going to the RL retreat?
Threedee Shepherd: I am not
Friedrich Ochsenhorn: has the practice changed much?
Friedrich Ochsenhorn: or, stil revolves 9second breaks, every 15 minutes?
Threedee Shepherd: I do not think so.
Threedee Shepherd: much the same, though some are now focusing on what it means to *appreciate* during the 9-sec
Friedrich Ochsenhorn: that's interesting.
Friedrich Ochsenhorn: riffing on the 9 seconds. you could do that forever ;-)
Threedee Shepherd: I find that I seem to have incorporated a kind of calmness into my life that often takes the place of regular 9-sec exercises
Friedrich Ochsenhorn: that's kinda what happened to me w/ yoga
Friedrich Ochsenhorn: although i know that's partially a lazy excuse
Friedrich Ochsenhorn: but, it did change my life, and also taught me how to integrate stretching and tension into my daily life
Threedee Shepherd: I understand.
Friedrich Ochsenhorn: i do remember when i started, w/in a few months, i felt like stress had disappeared from my life
Threedee Shepherd: I have the sense that the intensity shown by Pema is unusual. Many sessions are interesting discussions, but do not have a focus on experiences during the 9-sec exercise
Friedrich Ochsenhorn: i vaguely remember you were interseted in kaballah a while back. has any of that woven its way into the conversatoin?
Threedee Shepherd: no
Threedee Shepherd: My personal sense is that my sustained effort is no longer sustained
Friedrich Ochsenhorn: you're here. that's something
Threedee Shepherd: I like the people who attend and the topics that get discussed. The sense of finding some deeper sense of being is not as strong for me
syros Soulstar: thanks fredrich three , ade :) sleep well
Threedee Shepherd: bye
Adelene Dawner: cya, Syros
syros Soulstar: nite:)
Friedrich Ochsenhorn: gn
Friedrich Ochsenhorn: i think i better get going soon too.
Friedrich Ochsenhorn: don't want to over due it on reentry
Friedrich Ochsenhorn: ;-)
Threedee Shepherd: it is good to see you. How much more school is left for you?
Friedrich Ochsenhorn: but, fear not, 3 - i've got plenty more crazy ideas to share
Friedrich Ochsenhorn: oh gosh - i'm indentured for the better part of the next decade
Threedee Shepherd: ok?
Friedrich Ochsenhorn: at the rate i am going, probably about 2 more years of coursework, then that little project at the end
Threedee Shepherd: mmhmm
Friedrich Ochsenhorn: feeling good about it though.
Friedrich Ochsenhorn: anyway, goodnight folks
Threedee Shepherd: goodnight
Adelene Dawner: 'night :)
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