2009.06.16 13:00 - Diving into hand writing

    The Guardian for this meeting was Mickorod Renard. The comments are by Mickorod Renard.

    In this session we had a quite a few drop in, including a new face 'Hein Dinzeo' who has a hobby called ' grafology'

    Mickorod Renard: I just got ur message Wol,,re the thing in communications
    Wol Euler: yeah, I'm not sure now that that was true.
    Mickorod Renard: he he
    Wol Euler: my alt's prefs showed it off, but mine show it on.
    Mickorod Renard: well,,let me know if it is one day
    Wol Euler: did you have it enabled, and if so is it still on?
    Mickorod Renard: dont know
    Gaya Ethaniel: Mine wasn't changed but one never knows with SL, better being careful ...
    Wol Euler nods. Better safe than sorry, to coin a cliche.
    Gaya Ethaniel nods nods.
    Mickorod Renard: what am I supposed to look for?
    Wol Euler: in Preferences, on the Communicaitons page
    Wol Euler: the options for logging local chat.
    Wol Euler: I *thought* that the new viewer software had set those off.
    Wol Euler: It definitely _did_ change my graphics settings :(
    Mickorod Renard: I have..a tick in save log and save log and include date with timestamps
    Wol Euler: maybe I was just lucky, then.
    Mickorod Renard: ok,,I think mineis still ok
    Gaya Ethaniel: Anyway, thanks for the warning Wol. I will keep an eye on it.
    Mickorod Renard: me too ty
    Mickorod Renard: Gaya, can u remember what our homework was for Stim?
    Mickorod Renard: besides the usual drink and cigars
    Gaya Ethaniel: mm ... he told me I can pick whatever I want. I said I will continue with intoxication, lying and killing.
    Wol Euler: sounds like fun.
    Mickorod Renard: oh yes,,I remember you saying
    Gaya Ethaniel: Your homework was to enjoy smoking right? How is that going?
    Gaya Ethaniel: I put my report up today :)
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,its ok,,I am enjoying it
    Gaya Ethaniel: :) How do you 'enjoy' it compared to before?
    Mickorod Renard: where did u put it up,,on wok wiki?
    Gaya Ethaniel: mhm http://ways-of-knowing.wik.is/3Reports/Gaya_Ethaniel/Report_17
    Mickorod Renard: well,,I have stopped persecuting myself over it
    Mickorod Renard: thanks
    Gaya Ethaniel: So you kind of pause when those persecuting thoughts come up?
    Wol Euler: taht is good in any case, mick.
    Gaya Ethaniel: What do you do?
    Gaya Ethaniel: Sorry brb
    Gaya Ethaniel: /afk
    Mickorod Renard: I just smoke them when I feel the need
    Mickorod Renard: ok
    Mickorod Renard: well its peaceful tonite
    Wol Euler smiles quietly.
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Hien
    Mickorod Renard: Hein
    Hein Dinzeo: ji
    Hein Dinzeo: hello
    Wol Euler: you look like Mick's cousin :)
    Mickorod Renard: are you new here?
    Wol Euler: welcome Hein :)
    Hein Dinzeo: yes very new
    Mickorod Renard: nice
    Gaya Ethaniel: back and reading ...
    Gaya Ethaniel: That's nice to hear Mick :)
    Mickorod Renard: we have a note card highlighting what we do here
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Hein and Qt :)
    Wol Euler: hello qt
    Qt Core: hi all
    Mickorod Renard: Hein,,our conversations here are logged and posted on a wiki for public view
    Mickorod Renard: but please join us if you wish
    sophia Placebo: greetingGaya Ethaniel thinks Mick's good at guardianing.

    Mickorod Renard: are you new to second life Hein?
    Hein Dinzeo: hi, plse tell me how i get seated
    Wol Euler: oh wow, you are new :)
    Qt Core: right click on a cushioun
    Qt Core: and choose sit here
    Wol Euler: right-click on a cushion and select "sit" from the pie menu
    Wol Euler: (use the left mouse button to select the pie menu option)
    Mickorod Renard: yeaa
    Hein Dinzeo: tks
    sophia Placebo: quiet old but noob
    Wol Euler: there is a guide in the Help menu that gives you a quick introduction to the basic commands
    Wol Euler: and if you get stuck, just ask. Most people are helpful and friendly.
    Qt Core: (even more here)
    Mickorod Renard: here we get together as much as 4 times a day,,just to chat and chill out
    Wol Euler: for certain values of "us" :) clearly not the same people all the time
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,and really we are exploring certain concepts
    Mickorod Renard: playing as being
    Hein Dinzeo: ill try to foloow yu
    Mickorod Renard: what sort of interests do you have Hein,,anything interesting?
    Hein Dinzeo: i am intersted in paranormal
    Mickorod Renard: well,,I think we all are here
    Hein Dinzeo: and i can do a little handwriting investigation
    Mickorod Renard: ahhh,there is a name for it?
    Mickorod Renard: could you explain more Hein?
    Mickorod Renard: sounds interesting


    Hein Dinzeo: grafology
    Hein Dinzeo: when i read a handwriting i know more about the person
    Mickorod Renard: amazing
    sophia Placebo: like you a psychologist or para psycholosit your hand writing investigation
    Hein Dinzeo: no, its just hobby
    Mickorod Renard: dont the police call in people for that type of work to see if the writer has underlying traits?
    sophia Placebo: aha, how it works ?
    Hein Dinzeo: i use it in business, to know to deal with the person yes of no. And sometimes friends ask me . i d o it only when i do not know who it is
    Mickorod Renard: ok,,cool
    sophia Placebo: what the hand writing may tell you ?
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Eliza
    Wol Euler: I can't remember when I last saw a handwritten note ... we do all our business by e-mail or computer print

    Mickorod Renard: sometimes i make sure I have a regular forward slant
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Gaya, Qt, Hein (nice to meet you)

    Mickorod Renard: nice dress eliza
    Gaya Ethaniel nods nods.
    Wol Euler: yes, I was just camming to look at it :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Almost like yu were saving a seat! :) Thanks, hope it isn't because someone poofed
    Qt Core: i have such a bad penmanshift one of my teacher dubbed it cacography (from cacaphony)
    Wol Euler: heheheh
    Mickorod Renard: he he he
    Wol Euler: my handwriting is so bad that I myself sometimes can't read it.
    Gaya Ethaniel: Same here ...
    Mickorod Renard: I can see in my handwritting when I am not confident
    Hein Dinzeo: wol: then yu should wonder if your life could be better in balance
    Wol Euler: oh, that is interesting.
    Eliza Madrigal has several handwritings. Interesting topic
    Qt Core: i started not being able to read it at 12 ;-) i had to make read my school assignm,ent from a mate of mine... the only people able to read it. :-)
    Mickorod Renard: Eliza,,several? maybe u are a split personality?
    Eliza Madrigal: One wonders don't they? hehe
    Qt Core: since then i wrote all caps (exluding my signature obviously)
    Hein Dinzeo: i look especially to the g the l and the i, and also where the people stop and start.
    Mickorod Renard: cool qt
    Gaya Ethaniel: Of course when writing letters, my handwriting is fine. I take time to write well otherwise, I just type up on computer.
    sophia Placebo: intrersting

    Qt Core: the interesting thing is as all caps is slow i use fountain pens as they are fast even if it is a little harder to write well with those
    Qt Core: hi nymf
    Hein Dinzeo: plse try not to write only in caps
    Mickorod Renard: what is particular in those areas Hein?
    Mickorod Renard: oops,,we are silent for a few seconds now

    Qt Core: why not Hein ?
    Nymf Hathaway: Notices we are sitting quite interesting :)
    Wol Euler: symmetry!
    Hein Dinzeo: because it tells that you wish to be better than someone else
    Wol Euler raises an eyebrow.
    Mickorod Renard: ahh,,the dominant approach?
    Hein Dinzeo: yes
    Qt Core: and that .... is bad ?
    Mickorod Renard: unless u are klingon qt
    Nymf Hathaway: :)
    Qt Core: (it is the only way i can write now after so many years
    Hein Dinzeo: it gives a bit the idea to force another one to listen. but i understand, change is difficult
    Qt Core: well, the wish to be better isn't bad, refusing the idea you could be not is
    sophia Placebo: i can understand qt need to force poeple to listen to his hand writing
    Wol Euler: hmmmmm
    Mickorod Renard: I used to write very small,,i bet that was a sign of lack of self esteem
    Hein Dinzeo: youre right
    Wol Euler: like people who speak very very quietly, to make you shut up and lean forward to them?
    Qt Core: i use hand writings only for notes usefull only to me or for writing to friends that know me well
    Hein Dinzeo: the distances between words give also info
    Hein Dinzeo: and how yu fill a A4
    Qt Core: if i could choose there would be only ... how to say that in english... paper with square, no lines and no blank (for hand writing purposes)
    Mickorod Renard: these days i sort of arrange in a report fashion,,yet keep paragraphs short and interesting to the eye
    Hein Dinzeo: yes, thats the best
    Qt Core: 4mm wide are the best against 5mm ones for me
    Mickorod Renard: when I was young I wrote many love letters,,on lovely paper
    Wol Euler smiles
    Wol Euler: wb eiza
    Wol Euler: +l
    Nymf Hathaway: Welcome back Eliza :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Thank you :) Internet troubles. Sigh
    sophia Placebo: *:::* WELCOME BACK *:::*
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Mickorod Renard: grin
    Mickorod Renard: what other paranormal things facinate you Hein
    Mickorod Renard: sorry for being nosey,,he he
    Mickorod Renard: we often talk about time ,,dont we
    Mickorod Renard: and what is the conciousness
    Qt Core: spending so much time about timeless moment/sensations... ohh the irony ;-)
    Hein Dinzeo: i try to meet once a while people who are not influenced, i mean who dare to say what they feel
    Mickorod Renard: wow,,a bit like how we try to be
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Hein Dinzeo: i met the other day a women, i only sat there, and she started writing what she fellt
    Mickorod Renard: cool,but like a sooth sayer u mean?
    Hein Dinzeo: what is sooth sayer (i am dutch)
    Mickorod Renard: not sure myself
    Mickorod Renard: anyone else like to explain what i mean?
    Wol Euler: fortune teller, a predictor of the future
    Mickorod Renard: ty
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, or maybe like a horse whisperer..one whose presence calms anxiety in others
    Hein Dinzeo: i understand. no, i prefer the real time, not future.
    Mickorod Renard: we sometimes discuss how filters we pick up through life ,,blot out certain realities
    Mickorod Renard: I find that facinating
    Mickorod Renard: I was talking to the art prof today,,he was saying that the instiution of education is not good for individual expressionism

    sophia Placebo: what did she write the woman? dont like to hear the half story

    Mickorod Renard: yes,,I would like to know more Hein

    Hein Dinzeo: i also believe that when a student learns too much the student cannot get easy in real world (business)
    Mickorod Renard: because they are too structured?
    Hein Dinzeo: partly and because real life is differetn
    Nymf Hathaway: Goes for every thing in life where we are not in balance
    Mickorod Renard: true
    Mickorod Renard: does anyone here write poetry?
    Hein Dinzeo: i cannot
    Wol Euler: the occasional haiku :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Sometimes
    Nymf Hathaway: :))
    Mickorod Renard: nice
    sophia Placebo: nop
    Nymf Hathaway: Me neither :(
    Nymf Hathaway: Do you, Mickorod?

    Dreams and Poems

    Mickorod Renard: I dreamt a poem up in a dream once
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Nice, Mick!
    Mickorod Renard: I can remember the crux of it,,I hope to be able to recreate it one day
    Qt Core: i did
    Mickorod Renard: yes?
    Hein Dinzeo: dont wait too long
    Eliza Madrigal: So you only remember the edges or an outline Mick?
    Mickorod Renard: true
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,the outline,,meanings and visual effects
    Eliza Madrigal nods. It is still there though... that's good :)
    Mickorod Renard: yes
    Mickorod Renard: I was a pearl diver,,,going deeper each day
    Eliza Madrigal: MM
    Mickorod Renard: while ships passed overhead
    Mickorod Renard: ok,,I bet u think I am suicidal? he he
    Nymf Hathaway: hahahhaha
    Eliza Madrigal: not at all, hah
    Mickorod Renard: but I was getting to the point I enjoyed the seperate world below,,more than above
    Mickorod Renard: and the decision was to push the limit at risk of loosing touch with real world
    Nymf Hathaway: sounds scary to me
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, this I understand... coming to the surface somewhat reluctantly. Hmmm...
    Mickorod Renard: but funny it was accompanied by a poem
    Wol Euler smiles
    Nymf Hathaway: Dreams are fascinating
    Hein Dinzeo: they really tell someting about yourself
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Mickorod Renard: yes
    Pila Mulligan: Maxine's dream workshop begins at Kira Cafe in a few minutes -- I'll be slipping out for it :)
    Eliza Madrigal: I hope when the poem comes together you'll share it with us Mick
    sophia Placebo: bye pila
    Eliza Madrigal: yes me too (workshop)
    Wol Euler: thanks for the reminder!
    Nymf Hathaway: Bye bye Pila :)
    Mickorod Renard: I will do,,but dont hold your breath
    sophia Placebo: bye eliza
    Mickorod Renard: bye eliza
    Pila Mulligan: see you all next time -- or maybe sooner in a dream :)
    Mickorod Renard: I am goin dream workshop too
    Mickorod Renard: bye Pila
    sophia Placebo: bye mick
    Nymf Hathaway: Bye everyone who is leaving :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :) See some of you sooner and some later
    Wol Euler: I shall go to teh workshop too. Bye everyone, take care.
    Mickorod Renard: he he ,,bye eliza
    sophia Placebo: bye wol
    Wol Euler: enjoy the day/evening/morning
    Mickorod Renard: bye wol
    sophia Placebo: intersting tag nymf

    Star Trek..Qt is an influence

    Nymf Hathaway: I love the Startrek outfit :) always jalous (maybe to strong of a word) when I see someone in it :) childhood sentiment :)
    sophia Placebo: hehe well i meant your group title :)
    Nymf Hathaway: Yes...sorry to shout out what I am standing for Sophia, but I feel I need to do it :)
    Mickorod Renard: you cud get one nymf
    Nymf Hathaway: yes I should :)
    Qt Core: there are plenty around and free
    Mickorod Renard: you could be seven of nine
    Nymf Hathaway: No....that fits Sophia better, she wispers :)
    Mickorod Renard: grin
    Hein Dinzeo: i ve got to go. all the best !
    sophia Placebo: bye hien
    Nymf Hathaway: Bye Hein :)
    Qt Core: sadly most of mine are no transfer
    Mickorod Renard: bye Hein,,nice meeting you
    Qt Core: bye Hein
    Hein Dinzeo: ill try to come back
    sophia Placebo: why i whisper ?
    Mickorod Renard: I have to go too,,bye everyone
    sophia Placebo: bye mick
    Nymf Hathaway: Bye bye Mick
    Nymf Hathaway: I didn't mean you wispered... I was wispering the 7 of 9 outfit would fit you better than me :) since you are blond
    Nymf Hathaway: Loved 7 of 9 :)))
    sophia Placebo: :)))
    Qt Core: interesting character... a bit excessive in some poit ;-)
    Nymf Hathaway: yes she was :)
    Nymf Hathaway: But they all were special
    sophia Placebo: well to tell the truth not its cousin , i didnt get what you said both
    Qt Core: but surely a better alien eyes than Kes
    Nymf Hathaway: Don't you know Star trek, Sophia?
    sophia Placebo: no :)
    Nymf Hathaway: oh pity
    sophia Placebo: though its being broadcasted now but absulotly no interst
    Qt Core: ossignur (the milan dialecg form of OMG)
    sophia Placebo: really not very popualr here
    Qt Core: well, here trek fan aren't popular (i really lijke to shift around workd and change meanings to the phrases)
    Qt Core: sometimes when i think about the "playing at being" the phrase shift itself and become "being a play" :-)
    sophia Placebo: hehe
    Nymf Hathaway: Never done that, play in sl
    sophia Placebo: didnt miss much nyfm
    Qt Core: everytime i see the word play in english i look at it in awe, as it has so many more meanings that in italian
    Qt Core: we have separate verb/words for playing an istrumewnt, a game, an act and so on
    Nymf Hathaway: I once (first week sl) was invited by a friend to a castle...by TP... I walked around and saw all kind of BDSM benches etc... I tried a poseball... I didn't know it was for two (I was in very recent), another person jumped in... took a photo and said; Gotcha... ever since I try to avoid those situations :)
    sophia Placebo: yeah the word play in english has many dynamic meanings
    Qt Core: same here, but no pic and no one jumping on me
    Nymf Hathaway: hahhaha you are lucky :)
    Qt Core: but i went to the exit... staying very near to the walls... if i can say that ;-)
    Nymf Hathaway: :) the world of playing in sl :) tricky at times
    sophia Placebo: g2g
    sophia Placebo: nice to meet you
    sophia Placebo: bye :)
    Nymf Hathaway: Oh Have a nice rest of the day Sophia :)
    Qt Core: ops
    Nymf Hathaway: ah well most places in sl are deserted...two is wonderful as well
    Qt Core: yes, sometimes i hope/fear a monster would jump out unexpectedly ;-)
    Nymf Hathaway: :)
    Nymf Hathaway: is wondering if my tag would bother people :(
    Qt Core: not me
    Nymf Hathaway: oke
    Nymf Hathaway: Where are you from if I may ask? I am from the Netherlands
    Qt Core: italy
    Nymf Hathaway: yes, indeed, you just said so :)
    Nymf Hathaway: I forgot, sorry
    Qt Core: np
    Qt Core: i haven't fully documented myself about it but i fear there is a way the results of those elections may be right... i don't know about iran demographics, but how about the ratio of urban/rural people how the rural ones really knos how things go ?
    Qt Core: i hope i made my thought clear... at leas for you ;-)
    Nymf Hathaway: I understand what you are saying... I have thought the same but have you seen the ammount of people striking? and why shoot to kill on your own people...if you are fully honest?
    Qt Core: i thought there were very little casualties for how things could have ended
    Nymf Hathaway: Violence confinces me here I am afraid
    Nymf Hathaway: well the millitias got the assigment shoot to kill...thats odd isn't it?
    Nymf Hathaway: If he is rightfully in his place he shouldn't be afraid
    Qt Core: and they got only 7 quite bad at aiming then
    Nymf Hathaway: point!
    Nymf Hathaway: really a point!
    Qt Core: did you see a lot of sea too for several seconds on south ?
    Nymf Hathaway: Not this time but yes it happens, have had the same several times before
    Qt Core: never saw at that scale
    Nymf Hathaway: If I am correct thats when a sim restarts
    Qt Core: plausible
    Qt Core: time to go sleep for me
    Nymf Hathaway: yes same here
    Nymf Hathaway: Have a good night Qt
    Qt Core: sleep well, tthen
    Nymf Hathaway: Thanks :)
    Qt Core: ty, i'll try

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