2009.06.18 19:00 - Meditation and Images

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    The Guardian for this meeting was stevenaia Michinaga. Sylectra was traveling so am filling in.  The comments are by stevenaia Michinaga.

    Gaya and I were here tonight.  Gaya and I have known each other for a while but never conversed for an extended period, but tonight we ha that opportunity

    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Gaya, I;m subbing for sylectra

    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello stevenaia :) Long time no see.

    Gaya Ethaniel: Yes I remember the email.

    stevenaia Michinaga: haven;t seen you in quite some time

    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, she was looking so I offered :)

    Gaya Ethaniel: Or I haven't seen you in quite some time :P

    Gaya Ethaniel: Very kind of you indeed. How are you today?

    stevenaia Michinaga: I am good.

    stevenaia Michinaga: you are in Europe?

    Gaya Ethaniel: :) Me too except I couldn't fall asleep somehow.

    Gaya Ethaniel: Yes in UK.

    stevenaia Michinaga: well happy to keep you awake or sing you a lullaby

    Gaya Ethaniel: :) Guess I just wanted to get done some things I put off for a while.

    stevenaia Michinaga: hope it's not stress that keeps you from sleeping

    Gaya Ethaniel: nah what stress :)

    stevenaia Michinaga: I had some birds wake me the other morning at some ungodly hour

    stevenaia Michinaga: couldn;t get back to sleep watched the sun rise

    Gaya Ethaniel: ah ... it's not usual to have birds singing or you somehow heard them that day?

    Gaya Ethaniel: [that was 90 second talking meditation :P]

    stevenaia Michinaga: eek, missed that

    stevenaia Michinaga: with days longer, I think the birds are earlier

    Gaya Ethaniel: I went along, not that strict about keeping silent really.

    Gaya Ethaniel: ah ... yes I see.

    stevenaia Michinaga: I simply missed it w/ sound off

    Gaya Ethaniel: ah ok that happens :)

    Gaya Ethaniel: ok now that was 9 minute silent meditation :)

    stevenaia Michinaga: smiles

    stevenaia Michinaga: and you are still awake

    Gaya Ethaniel: mhm :)

    stevenaia Michinaga: so we make up for the next 10 ?

    Gaya Ethaniel: :)

    Gaya Ethaniel: I was actually remembering the photo of yourself when you're younger.

    Gaya Ethaniel: You looked like a arty philosopher :)

    stevenaia Michinaga: I actually look more like that now

    stevenaia Michinaga: but thank you

    Gaya Ethaniel: Now as in RL or your AV?

    stevenaia Michinaga: RL

    Gaya Ethaniel: ah ... well it must be the long hair :)

    stevenaia Michinaga: My avatar is a creation for my, sort of a gift

    stevenaia Michinaga: for me

    Gaya Ethaniel: ah ok :)

    stevenaia Michinaga: so I look like what someone else expects me to look

    Gaya Ethaniel: I'm not quite sure what you mean.

    stevenaia Michinaga: I was gifted my avatar by a friend

    stevenaia Michinaga: so it is what they see me as

    Gaya Ethaniel: ahhhh


    We talked about seeing in our meditations, in whatever forms we meditate in.


    stevenaia Michinaga: I had this vivid vision of me for the 90 seconds doing tai chi, something I have taken up recently

    stevenaia Michinaga: but I was doing my "form" being watched by me

    stevenaia Michinaga: since I usually watch myself in a mirror on my computer's camera, it was a very natural perspective... inly this was in black and white

    stevenaia Michinaga: perhaps I should upgrade my "visioning" to color

    Gaya Ethaniel: :) Interesting why it was in B&W.

    stevenaia Michinaga: perhaps it is that it was the first time I had such a vision

    Gaya Ethaniel: Do you dream in B&W too?

    stevenaia Michinaga: how do you see when meditating

    Gaya Ethaniel: I don't always get 'visions'.

    stevenaia Michinaga: no, I don;t think so

    Gaya Ethaniel: ah ok ... interesting.

    Gaya Ethaniel: Images that come to mind during meditation are not very concrete ... hard to explain.

    stevenaia Michinaga: feel free to try

    stevenaia Michinaga: :)

    Gaya Ethaniel: Simple things maybe more vivid ... colours or shape but ordinary images aren't really clear.

    Gaya Ethaniel: Do you mostly see something during meditation then?

    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, scenes, actions, moment

    Gaya Ethaniel: [My dreams are quite realistic most of the time so can't see much connection there ...]

    Gaya Ethaniel: ah ... ok

    Gaya Ethaniel: When I don't have images, it's just senses or thoughts ...

    stevenaia Michinaga: hmmm

    stevenaia Michinaga: sounds lovely

    Gaya Ethaniel: I mean many things can be called meditation ... are we talking about 'formal' ones?

    Gaya Ethaniel: It can be :)

    Gaya Ethaniel: Doing tai chi mindfully is a form of meditation I think for example.

    stevenaia Michinaga: we are talking about where the mind "goes" or where it takes you when we meditate

    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, Tai Chi is becoming more so over time

    stevenaia Michinaga: I am just a beginner, seeing change each class

    stevenaia Michinaga: change in me

    Gaya Ethaniel: What kind of changes?

    stevenaia Michinaga: awareness

    stevenaia Michinaga: in each move, like learning a song, first the notes, then the words then the themes

    stevenaia Michinaga: then you don;t see the notes anymore

    Gaya Ethaniel: Guess once body has learnt, one can watch body singing so to speak and can focus on articulation.

    Gaya Ethaniel: Or ... expression etc.

    stevenaia Michinaga: yes

    Gaya Ethaniel: It's funny though ... when I try to 'remember' after that stage, it disrupt the flow.

    stevenaia Michinaga: remember what?

    Gaya Ethaniel: Let's say the note.

    Gaya Ethaniel: Or the movement ... after a certain stage, it works best to let all flow ... you know what I mean?

    Gaya Ethaniel: Rather than thinking too much.

    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, exactly

    stevenaia Michinaga: then the important thing is the flow

    stevenaia Michinaga: the body remembers the rest

    stevenaia Michinaga: life can be like that

    stevenaia Michinaga: sometimes it's not the details, it;s the flow

    Gaya Ethaniel ponders ...

    stevenaia Michinaga: one thing to the next

    Gaya Ethaniel: Well ... technically speaking learning the details has to be done to the degree where the body just performs. That is a long and hard journey.

    stevenaia Michinaga: it;s true with everything

    Gaya Ethaniel: And in terms of physical activities ... I don't think body just performs alone ... a loose thinking/awareness is there.

    Gaya Ethaniel: That isn't about controlling the body movement but watching over kind of thing.

    Gaya Ethaniel: overall*

    Gaya Ethaniel: When this works well, I often feel 'expansiveness' of space around me. Hope I'm making sense.

    stevenaia Michinaga: yes

    Gaya Ethaniel: :)

    Gaya Ethaniel: How long you've been doing meditation then steve?

    stevenaia Michinaga: hard to say, I don't actually "do" meditation except here now and then, but tend to do meditative things, like draw or tai chi, for instance

    Gaya Ethaniel: ah :)

    stevenaia Michinaga: so somewhere between never and always

    Gaya Ethaniel: :)

    stevenaia Michinaga: my work is my meditation much of the time

    Gaya Ethaniel: hm ... in what sense?

    Gaya Ethaniel: It can involve so many aspects right?

    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, in a focused way

    stevenaia Michinaga: like narrowing your vision so you can see the farthest distance

    stevenaia Michinaga: and everything between here and there

    Gaya Ethaniel: Sounds like something that one needs to train for.

    stevenaia Michinaga: do you draw?

    Gaya Ethaniel: Well I draw ok but it's not my main hobby :)

    Gaya Ethaniel: But yes I know what you're getting at.

    stevenaia Michinaga: when you draw, or meditate, you don;t usually talk, your mind goes to another place

    stevenaia Michinaga: drawing is just another tool

    Gaya Ethaniel nods.

    stevenaia Michinaga: like meditation

    stevenaia Michinaga: (for me)

    Gaya Ethaniel: Do you exhibit your drawings?

    stevenaia Michinaga: In a sense, as things usually get built from them

    Gaya Ethaniel: ahhhh

    Gaya Ethaniel: I don't think I've seen any buildings you designed yet :)

    stevenaia Michinaga: if you google my first name you will

    Gaya Ethaniel: ah ok I will check you out!

    Gaya Ethaniel: Do you build any in SL?

    stevenaia Michinaga: grins, no to much like work

    Gaya Ethaniel: heheheh but ... it's shame.

    stevenaia Michinaga: everyone does such a good job here

    Gaya Ethaniel: Yes there are some really talented architects in SL.

    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, and some surprisingly talented non-architect builders

    Gaya Ethaniel: mhm :)

    Gaya Ethaniel: Who's your favorite?

    stevenaia Michinaga: SL Builder?

    Gaya Ethaniel: mhm

    stevenaia Michinaga: RL architect?

    Gaya Ethaniel: Any really regardless RL jobs

    stevenaia Michinaga: Palladio comes to mind

    Gaya Ethaniel: hm ... I don't think I've seen his works yet.

    Gaya Ethaniel: What's his full name?

    stevenaia Michinaga: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Palladio

    Gaya Ethaniel: ah :)

    Gaya Ethaniel: So the term Palladian derives from his name?

    stevenaia Michinaga: yes

    Gaya Ethaniel: ah ... ok

    Gaya Ethaniel: Any your favourite SL builder?

    Gaya Ethaniel: [I thought you were talking about someone in SL called Palladio bla heheheh]

    stevenaia Michinaga: a harder question since few have a body of work, this place is very nice, storm does nice things

    Gaya Ethaniel: I'd say there are a handful who have more than one build ...

    stevenaia Michinaga: most of the things "Architects" build tend to be experimental in nature

    Gaya Ethaniel: Like Scope Cleaver or Poid Mahovlich ... etc

    stevenaia Michinaga: in SL

    Gaya Ethaniel: That's true.

    Gaya Ethaniel: Well I'm going to check YOU out then go get some sleep :)

    Gaya Ethaniel: Nice talking to you steve ... I don't think we've talked like this before :)

    stevenaia Michinaga: smiles

    Gaya Ethaniel: Good night!

    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, thank you for joining me

    stevenaia Michinaga: night

    Gaya Ethaniel: Thank you :)

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