2009.06.19 13:00 - T-Shirts

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    The Guardian for this meeting was sophia Placebo. The comments are by sophia Placebo.

    *I arrived on a witch broom , Wol was sitting there quietly but who can resist a witch broom .Others follow and we had a 15 mints of smiles 

    sophia Placebo: helloo wol
    Wol Euler laughs
    Wol Euler: hello sophia, what a great arrival.
    sophia Placebo: lol
    Wol Euler chuckles.
    Wol Euler: ty
    sophia Placebo: yw
    sophia Placebo: i cant give the hat its no trans :(
    Wol Euler: heheheheheh
    Wol Euler: wonderful.
    sophia Placebo: race?
    Wol Euler: all right
    sophia Placebo: 4
    Wol Euler: 3
    sophia Placebo: 2
    Wol Euler: 1
    sophia Placebo: go
    sophia Placebo: lol
    sophia Placebo: thats tooooo slow for a race
    Wol Euler: ah, apparently I forgot to ad you to the listener's list of guardians.
    Wol Euler: oh, how strange, you are in the list.
    Wol Euler: hmmmmmm
    Wol Euler: it shouldn't have stopped while you were still here.
    Wol Euler: (sorry, geek to the core.)
    sophia Placebo: hehe np
    Wol Euler: hello fef
    sophia Placebo: hi fef
    Fefonz Quan: hello witches :)
    Wol Euler cackles.
    sophia Placebo: wanna be a wizard ?
    Wol Euler: this is great, sophia.
    Fefonz Quan: sure!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
    Wol Euler: hello pema, yakuzza
    sophia Placebo: hi yak , hi pema
    Pema Pera: Hi Wol, Fef, Sophia, Yakuzza, Adams!
    sophia Placebo: hi adams
    Wol Euler: hello adams
    Yakuzza Lethecus: lol
    Pema Pera: what a spectacle!
    Wol Euler giggles
    Yakuzza Lethecus: burn the whitches
    Adams Rubble: Hello everyone :)
    sophia Placebo: lol adams , just look like a witch noob
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it will safe their soulds
    Pema Pera: is this to celebrate Sophia's new guardian-on-call role?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: soulds
    Wol Euler snorts
    Fefonz Quan: HI Pema, Adams, Yaku
    Yakuzza Lethecus: crap souls
    Fefonz Quan: now, which witch watch which watch?
    Wol Euler: "crap souls" sounds like a late 50's poem by Alan Ginsburg.
    sophia Placebo: i wish one day we would have anti gravity veihcles
    Wol Euler: yeah :)
    Wol Euler: hello steve
    sophia Placebo: hi steve
    Yakuzza Lethecus: at least no onigokko today :)
    Adams Rubble: hello Steve :)
    sophia Placebo: hehe yak
    Pema Pera: watch out what you're asking for, Yak!
    Pema Pera: HI Steve!
    sophia Placebo: hi steve
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: I was sitting on someone wasn't I?
    stevenaia Michinaga: sorry
    Adams Rubble: Steve could use a broom. hehe
    Yakuzza Lethecus: onigokko
    sophia Placebo: lol
    Yakuzza Lethecus: stop
    Pema Pera: wow
    Fefonz Quan: onigokko
    stevenaia Michinaga: I ahve one somewhere in my attic (inventory)
    Wol Euler: Sophia, this is turning out to be a perfect Friday session, quite in the spirit of Solobill
    Pema Pera: a multidisciplinary dance!
    sophia Placebo: hi mick
    Pema Pera: Happy Hour !!
    Adams Rubble: hello Mick :)
    Wol Euler: hi mick
    Pema Pera: Hi Mick!
    sophia Placebo: hehe
    Mickorod Renard: Hiya everyone
    Yakuzza Lethecus: stop
    Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
    Mickorod Renard: crazy
    Fefonz Quan: those contemplating witches are cool :)
    sophia Placebo: this calm sit is for poeple who are preparing a conspiricy or something
    Pema Pera: so there are two types of witches? the smoking and nonsmoking types?
    Adams Rubble: are we cobntemplating witches fefonz?
    Fefonz Quan: look at the sitting posture
    sophia Placebo: hehe pema , want a cigar ?
    Pema Pera: sure!

    Pema Pera: how do I get one?


    *Cigars and urge to get another one- me, Wol and Pema were smoking virtually

    Fefonz Quan: i thought cigars are Mick's thing
    Mickorod Renard: he he he
    sophia Placebo: hehe
    sophia Placebo: i liked the animation fef
    Mickorod Renard: I do have an issue with cigars
    Fefonz Quan: the witch one?
    sophia Placebo: this one
    Fefonz Quan: yes, it is cool :)
    sophia Placebo: :)
    Mickorod Renard: I have 19 days supply left..then I either have to quit or go travelling to get some
    Pema Pera: :)
    Wol Euler: oooh
    Pema Pera: or both
    Pema Pera: in sequence
    Wol Euler: what a dilemma
    Mickorod Renard: I know,,the tres is building up
    Mickorod Renard: stress
    Pema Pera: "it's easy to quite smoking, I've done it many times"
    Mickorod Renard: he he
    sophia Placebo: dont let it build up
    Fefonz Quan: maybe you can dream of smoking, thus relieving the stress without consuming the supplies...
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,I do it every morning
    sophia Placebo: hehe pema
    stevenaia Michinaga: jsut like Sl, I can quit anytime


    *Dreams and -urge- to correct them
    Mickorod Renard: talking of dreams,,I had one last night,,and my dog died
    Pema Pera: in your dream, I hope?
    Fefonz Quan: in the dream i hope?
    Pema Pera: hehehe
    Pema Pera: fellow Princetonians
    Fefonz Quan: :)
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,not my real dog,,this one was called woofy
    Pema Pera: and fellow physicists
    Wol Euler: good.
    Mickorod Renard: it feels so bad I want to go back to the dream to retrieve his body
    Fefonz Quan: but you should be happy RL is bettere
    Mickorod Renard: true
    Fefonz Quan: retrieveing won't get back his poor virtual soul
    Wol Euler nods. It might comfort yours, though.
    Wol Euler: if only dreaming worked like that...
    Fefonz Quan: your virtual one? :)


    *Arabella arrives ,Adams leaves

    Adams Rubble: hello Arabella
    Wol Euler: hello ara
    Fefonz Quan: Hey Ara
    Mickorod Renard: Hiya Ara
    sophia Placebo: hi ara
    Pema Pera: Hi Arabella!
    arabella Ella: Hiya everyone
    arabella Ella: Hiya Pema!
    Adams Rubble: I must go. bye everyone :)
    sophia Placebo: bye adams
    Wol Euler: bye adams, take care.
    Pema Pera: bye Adams!
    Fefonz Quan: have a good weekend adams
    Mickorod Renard: bye aDAMS
    arabella Ella: bye Adams I hope i did not scare u off :)


    *What makes the Homeness?

    Mickorod Renard: are you back home now Pema?
    Pema Pera: yes, for a few days
    Pema Pera: Sunday I'll fly to Kyoto
    Mickorod Renard: nice
    Fefonz Quan: 'every place i lay my laptop, that's my home', pom pom pom...
    Wol Euler: heheheh
    Pema Pera: with a laptop comes SL, as a home!
    sophia Placebo: hi wni
    sophia Placebo: win*
    Pema Pera: Hi Winston
    Fefonz Quan: exactly
    Wol Euler: I wonder, what makes the "home"-ness of home, when you spend every other week in a different place?
    Wol Euler: hello winston
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Winston
    Fefonz Quan: the homeness feeling i guess
    Wol Euler: two days old, welcome to second life
    Pema Pera: well, T shirts, mostly, Wol . . . home is where I keep most of my T shirts
    Wol Euler: heheheheheh
    Wol Euler: as good an answer as any other.
    Pema Pera: I do happen to have hundreds of T shirts, about the only thing I tend to collect :-)
    Fefonz Quan: better then Giraffes though
    arabella Ella: i reckon if we all put our t-shirts together we would run into thousands
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Pema Pera: now there's an idea!
    Pema Pera: we'll have to compare our sizes though
    Pema Pera: the great PaB T shirt swap
    arabella Ella: one size fits all :)
    Wol Euler: heheheh
    Pema Pera: talking about stretching the truth . . .
    arabella Ella smiles
    Wol Euler: winston, I'll give you an intro to the group in IM, so as not to disturb the others
    Pema Pera: the one and the many . . . . (truth and T shirts) . . . theme for tomorrow morning


    * The_Road_Not_Taken_(poem)

    Fefonz Quan: yes, two roads diverge in a T-junction
    Wol Euler: and I, I took the one with fewer service stations
    Fefonz Quan: and got stuck out of fue?
    sophia Placebo: why?
    Fefonz Quan: fule
    Wol Euler: probably, the poet didn't say :)
    Wol Euler: I thought Fef was quoting a famous poem by Robert Frost, so I continued it.
    Fefonz Quan: the poet fuel on heart and emotions, as ecological as any other way
    Fefonz Quan: yep :)
    Fefonz Quan: poets*
    Wol Euler: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Roa...t_Taken_(poem)
    Wol Euler: right, fef :)
    Wol Euler: it's funny (one last reference then I'll shut up)
    Wol Euler: I have knowna nd loved that poem most of my life, and until recently I always thought that it was sad. The poet chose the wrong path and was regretting that.
    Wol Euler: recently I realized that it might just as well be positive: he chose the RIGHT path, and is happy with his lot.
    Fefonz Quan: no, he chose the original one
    Fefonz Quan: i thought that way too, though it can encompass both joy and pain
    Wol Euler nods
    sophia Placebo still thinks about what service stations means there
    Fefonz Quan thought about gas statins, maybe from lack of understanding too
    Wol Euler: well, the service stations along the road parallel the leaves on one path and worn-down grass onthe other in the poem.
    Wol Euler: making a difference between the two roads leaving the T junction.
    Wol Euler: and yes, "service station" was equivalent to "gas station" during my childhood :)
    arabella Ella: and we say ... petrol station
    Wol Euler shrugs. It was a silly attempt at a literary joke, sorry.
    arabella Ella liked it
    sophia Placebo: i mean would you choose a raod that you walk without help there , like deciding not to go to school and learning by your own
    arabella Ella: Wol's version i mean
    Winston Haystack: Bye
    sophia Placebo: bye win
    Pema Pera: Bye Winston
    Wol Euler: bye winston
    Fefonz Quan: bye winston
    Mickorod Renard: bye Win
    Fefonz Quan: there are not few taking that choice these days Sophia
    arabella Ella: i have always taken that poem to mean choosing one's future which is not the usual way ... or the usual path
    sophia Placebo: indeed must be very brave or very crazy
    arabella Ella: less stereotyped
    arabella Ella: should we all be like sheep and follow the crowd everywhere regardless?
    Fefonz Quan: i think someone here had some chat around it, claming this is better for her children. don't recall who
    Wol Euler: yes, that's interseting, I too thought he chose the "odd" path, the unusual one
    Mickorod Renard: could refer to all the coices u make in life,,on a personal basis
    arabella Ella: exactly - same opinion here wol
    Fefonz Quan: (to sophia that was)
    Wol Euler: yeah, fef, someone is doing home schooling. Was that Myna?
    Fefonz Quan: mybe :)
    sophia Placebo: that is her deciding fef , her would provide help if her chldren need it
    Fefonz Quan: yes. btw - i think all of us here are traveling the off-broadway road, only by being here and discussing PaB
    sophia Placebo: im wondering about the poet reaching a point in his life where he decided to go without much support or help , a path with uncertain level , was wandering about the moments we do that , what drives us to do that
    Fefonz Quan: interesting, i never thought about the support/help issue regarding that choice/poem
    Mickorod Renard: what drives us is often disenchantment with what path we followed to date
    arabella Ella: or a sense of adventure ... or individuality
    arabella Ella: like riding a bicycle in the countryside where one has never ventured before
    arabella Ella: and choosing what seems to be the more untrodden or adventourous path
    arabella Ella: as a challenge
    arabella Ella: or to be different
    arabella Ella: or as a point of exploration
    arabella Ella: i did this recently in germany where i hired a bicycle
    Fefonz Quan votes for all of the above
    Mickorod Renard: a change is as good as a rest,,so some say
    arabella Ella: :)
    sophia Placebo: maybe
    Fefonz Quan: plus, sometimes you feel that the fact the majority thinks differently doesn't make tehm right.
    Fefonz Quan: them*
    arabella Ella: it is similar to media influence ... people watch TV programs cos 'everyone' watches them
    Fefonz Quan: otherwise the average human around would be smiling and happy, wouldn't they?
    arabella Ella: people wear brand clothes cos 'everyone' wears them ... or fashion
    Fefonz Quan: and than after 2 years fashion changes, in order to make people spend more money. that's exactly the point
    Fefonz Quan: then*
    Mickorod Renard: there is some conditioning that makes me uncertain that the break from norm is right,,but still i choose the non conformist route
    Pema Pera: there are also many ways of being nonconformist . . . .
    sophia Placebo: fef it is much shorter than 2 years
    arabella Ella: well on the one hand we are all urged to be creative and innovative and to come up with new ideas
    Pema Pera: most of us are conforming in some ways, not conforming in others
    Fefonz Quan: yes, i was conservative sophia :)
    arabella Ella: on the other hand we are pressured to conform
    Wol Euler: there are also standards of non-conformity to which people conform :)
    Pema Pera: hehehe
    arabella Ella nods to Wol
    Mickorod Renard: I guess the masses are better controlled if they conform
    Fefonz Quan: Mick, i didn't say comformity is bad for itself, being conditioned by it - hence not free to choose - is wrong for my opinion
    arabella Ella: well some conformity is probably necessary
    arabella Ella: like rules for driving or eating or whatever
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,I like the idea that choice should be choice,,not just an expectation
    arabella Ella: but we must always question
    arabella Ella: not follow blindfolded
    Fefonz Quan: yes, driving more important than eating, no one will get hurt if i chew on the left side of mymouth
    arabella Ella: yes Fef but eating also involves hygene for example
    Mickorod Renard: yea,,there is always the issue that sometimes conformity has to be for the well being of ones feelows
    Fefonz Quan: right.
    Pema Pera quietly slips away . . . see you tomorrow morning, if not earlier!
    Fefonz Quan: bye Pema
    sophia Placebo: bye pema
    arabella Ella: bye Pema
    Wol Euler: bye pema, take care
    Mickorod Renard: bye Pema
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye
    Fefonz Quan: yes Mick, like the vaccination issue
    stevenaia Michinaga: I must be off
    arabella Ella: or controlling disease
    stevenaia Michinaga: thanks
    arabella Ella: bye steve
    sophia Placebo: bye steve
    Fefonz Quan: bye Steve
    Wol Euler: bye steve, take care.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: cya
    Mickorod Renard: bye Sreve
    Fefonz Quan: nice exit :)
    arabella Ella: cool


    *SL is not RL ?

    arabella Ella: i know it is late but a question crosses my mind
    Mickorod Renard: watz that ara?
    sophia Placebo: :)
    Fefonz Quan: share teh cross :)
    arabella Ella: would we all be so open and relaxed with our discussions if we were to meet in RL like this i wonder?
    sophia Placebo: me no
    arabella Ella: open, honest, relaxed
    Fefonz Quan: why not?
    Mickorod Renard: I wud,,I am like this all day
    arabella Ella: i am not so sure myself either
    sophia Placebo: i dont like poeple
    Wol Euler: I'm not sure, I suspect that I would be more cautious and quiet.
    Mickorod Renard: I tell my dog everything
    sophia Placebo: hehe mick
    Fefonz Quan: guess we found another question that has different individual answers :)
    arabella Ella nods
    arabella Ella: i feel that the fact that we are all here without reputation or baggage or status or what makes a huge difference to our conversations and discussions
    Mickorod Renard: course,,I cant tell my wife anything,,but thats normal
    sophia Placebo: though i do good in lectures or presentation but not in friendly chating
    Fefonz Quan: i can say that in some RL groups i experienced quite open and relaxed atmosphere too.
    arabella Ella: but Fef ... and I dont think there is anyone here from the USA right now ... did u feel that way in the USA ... or is it too complicated to ask? in RL I mean? cos i think most of us would feel ok with a group we trust, perhaps family, perhaps friends
    sophia Placebo: me too fef , depends on the group , not sure what it takes to feel like open to them though
    Fefonz Quan: in RL was not USA, ara :)
    arabella Ella smiles
    Fefonz Quan: but no, no family or friend (at least at the starting point)
    arabella Ella: ok
    arabella Ella: so for those of us who feel it would be different in RL ... to communicate like this like we do here
    arabella Ella: Sophia, Wol and myself for starters
    arabella Ella: why is it so different u think?
    Fefonz Quan: surely when the group gets to know each other, a bit like we do here, they are not totally strangers
    Wol Euler: RL is messy, it has dangers and awkwardnesses that don't exist here.
    Mickorod Renard: thats true Wol
    Fefonz Quan: i guess SL does provide a 'clean slate' easily (if this is the right term)
    sophia Placebo: it is just easier for me even with friends and family to comunicate through typing ara , it is something in me
    Yakuzza Lethecus: I don´t know why, when the groups are ging to be bigger then i am basicly quite the whole time and often i pressurise mself to say something just to say something and so it´s going to be unpleasant in real life often.
    Wol Euler nods. I prefer e-mail to phone...
    arabella Ella: very interesting ... and diverse ... responses
    Fefonz Quan: I will have to leave, RL calls. good to see you all!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: I prefer talking because i think over the words too much when i type
    Wol Euler: 'night fef.
    arabella Ella: and me ... since i live on a little island where everyone knows everyone ... cannot always be as open as i would like to be here
    sophia Placebo: bye fef
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and in the end i delete the email or what i was going to type
    arabella Ella: bye Fef good to cya
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye fef
    Fefonz Quan: _/!\_
    sophia Placebo: thanks for the poem
    Mickorod Renard: I felt like that too Yaku..but after a while of being on sl,,in group chats,,i have become more confident in rl too
    Wol Euler: yes, that was k´nice
    Mickorod Renard: bye Fef
    arabella Ella: yes Yak that is an interesting issue too ... each of us probably feels better communicating one way rather than another ... chat, voice, phone, presentations, wahtever
    arabella Ella: i personally find each one of those a skill that is a challenge and needs to be developed over time
    Mickorod Renard: SL has been good for me,,in my communicating in RL
    sophia Placebo: true ara i hope i became a better chatter in rl
    arabella Ella: would you say there is a HUGE leap between us being here as avatars ... and our RL 'image' or appearance ... when communicating I mean
    Mickorod Renard: I think I had become too insular


    *Arabella to Malaysia

    arabella Ella: sophia ... if you find presentations easy ... you could go make one for me next week
    arabella Ella: i am travelling tomorrow to a conference in asia :)
    sophia Placebo: hehe :)
    arabella Ella: and struggling with my presentation
    Wol Euler: heheh
    Wol Euler: good lck
    Wol Euler: +u
    arabella Ella: ty
    sophia Placebo: where in asia ?
    arabella Ella: KL Malaysia
    sophia Placebo: nice poeple
    arabella Ella: flying out tomorrow via cyprus and dubai
    arabella Ella: i was there a few years ago
    arabella Ella: got some good friends there too
    Wol Euler: will yo have any time off while you are there?
    arabella Ella: not really ... i could not extend as I have too many other committments here :(
    Wol Euler: :
    arabella Ella: but it will be a great experience anyway
    sophia Placebo: good luck ara
    arabella Ella: have you been there sophia?
    arabella Ella: ty
    sophia Placebo: nop i hope though i can go there in the future
    Wol Euler: I'm sorry, my dears , I must go. Falling alseep at my desk. Goodnight all, see you tomorrow at 7am :)
    arabella Ella: nite Wol lovely to cya
    sophia Placebo: they say it is very nice country
    Mickorod Renard: goodnight Wol
    sophia Placebo: bye wol good night
    arabella Ella: yes it is and they have gone a long way since colonialism
    Yakuzza Lethecus: night wol
    arabella Ella: to develop the economy and education too
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i am al nearl one :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: goe
    Yakuzza Lethecus: gone
    Mickorod Renard: he he
    arabella Ella: ??
    Yakuzza Lethecus: my batteries re emtpy
    arabella Ella: oh noooo
    sophia Placebo: hehe yak
    arabella Ella: lovely to cya too Yak
    sophia Placebo: good night
    Mickorod Renard: ok Yaku,,nite nite
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye
    arabella Ella: nite


    *last mints chatting
    arabella Ella: so sophia may i ask
    sophia Placebo: yes
    arabella Ella: do u do academic research too?
    arabella Ella: u dont have to answer if u prefer not to
    sophia Placebo: nop :) i choose not to go the path with service stations
    Mickorod Renard: brb,,just puttin kettle on
    arabella Ella smiles
    sophia Placebo: though i force my self to go a nd drop applications but
    arabella Ella: yes
    sophia Placebo: didnt feel the urge to really do good in intervew or exams
    arabella Ella: yes i understand
    arabella Ella: u know sophia i really admire the way you manage to change your image so nicely here ... honestly
    Mickorod Renard: bac
    arabella Ella: very clever
    sophia Placebo: hehe ty :)
    arabella Ella: does it take a lot of time and patience?
    sophia Placebo: it take time for sure , clock never stops , but i do it with pleasure
    sophia Placebo: diffrent poeple react diffrently to diffrent styles
    arabella Ella: yes
    Mickorod Renard: ok guys,,I better get going
    sophia Placebo: bye mick
    arabella Ella: i liked your previous 'innocent' look with the blue skirt :)
    arabella Ella: now this is the opposite
    Mickorod Renard: bye Sophia,,Ara
    arabella Ella: bye Micko
    arabella Ella: nite
    arabella Ella: cool exit mick
    sophia Placebo: i like them all , but this is less
    arabella Ella: this is more ... femme fatale
    arabella Ella: u know what that means?
    sophia Placebo: no what ?
    arabella Ella: difficult to explain but
    arabella Ella: a bit like a witch yet sophisticated as smoking with cigarette holder :)
    arabella Ella: femme fatale means fatal female
    sophia Placebo: lol
    arabella Ella: in french
    arabella Ella: i must go now
    arabella Ella: lovely seeing u here
    arabella Ella: nite nite
    sophia Placebo: night ara :)
    arabella Ella: nite

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