2009.06.24 01:00 - How 'old' are emotions?

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Tarmel Udimo. The comments are by Tarmel Udimo. Just after I arrived Nymf & Bertrum showed up. It was just the three of us for the rest of the session.

    Nymf Hathaway: Hello Tarmel :)
        Tarmel Udimo: Hi Nymf & Bertrum:)
        Bertrum Quan: Hi Tarmel
        Tarmel Udimo: thought it would be nice to sit in a different place:)
        Nymf Hathaway: Different perspective :)
        Tarmel Udimo: nods
        Tarmel Udimo: usually I sit facing the other way
        Tarmel Udimo: any topics?
        Nymf Hathaway: I came here to get surprised by the topic :)
        Tarmel Udimo: ahhh
        Tarmel Udimo: well today I was thinking why do we feel tearful when we experience beauty and awe or even when we have a realization about Being
        Tarmel Udimo: one would think this would create happiness or joy:)
        Tarmel Udimo: or at least the emotional expression of it
        Nymf Hathaway: Nice one :)
        Tarmel Udimo: does this happen to either of you?
        Nymf Hathaway: yes... I was thinking...maybe the beauty makes us vulnerable... lower down our fences?
        Tarmel Udimo: good point:)
        Tarmel Udimo: yes I was thinking that maybe it could also be the ego feeling a sense of loss
        Nymf Hathaway: seems my body reacts with the thought of a picture from two roses laying in the water.... it feels as if I want to open up for the beauty
        Tarmel Udimo: nods
        Tarmel Udimo: so tears or that feeling that wells up isn't actually sadness or grief, its just that we have been programmed to see that feeling that way?
        Nymf Hathaway: maybe not programmed but the biology seems to react like that... interesting Tarmel
        Tarmel Udimo: nods
        Tarmel Udimo: so a feeling state being generated biologically?
        Tarmel Udimo: and it seems to be of a very particular essense as it is repeated
       Tarmel Udimo: and I can identify it
     Nymf Hathaway: well human programming implies...having thought about it before doing so...this is something that overcomes us
          Tarmel Udimo: nods
        Tarmel Udimo: wandering if the observer/true self/Being uses this feeling state as an indicator, a feeback mechanism
        Nymf Hathaway: Is thinking... is this effect from beauty a recent development in history (since we create beauty ourselfs) or were the first humans reacting the same?
        Tarmel Udimo: good question?
        Nymf Hathaway: as there is beauty in nature :)
        Tarmel Udimo: nods
        Nymf Hathaway: seems to me it is a very "old" feeling
        Tarmel Udimo: yes..
        Tarmel Udimo: wandering if cave men & women who didn't have science to explain what was happening would be effected even more because they would see it as a 'sign'
        Nymf Hathaway: Good point!
        Nymf Hathaway: We need both
        Tarmel Udimo: nods
        Nymf Hathaway: Interesting subject Tarmel, I think I keep this in mind for a subject discussion with one of my members
        Tarmel Udimo: members?
        Nymf Hathaway: yes of my science circle, I have some wonderful members there...and always on the look out for a good topic
        Tarmel Udimo: Great! Would love to hear, if unavailable to come perhaps you can send me a transcript
        Tarmel Udimo: It is usally 11:00am?
        Nymf Hathaway: 11.30 yes
        Nymf Hathaway: Always welcome :)
        Tarmel Udimo: Any thoughts today Bertrum?
        Bertrum Quan: I am enjoying the opportunity to listen to this discussion.
        Nymf Hathaway: Has experienced the same here...listening is often just what you need :)
        Tarmel Udimo: OK just making sure you don't feel left out:)
        Bertrum Quan: Thank you.
        Nymf Hathaway: It is late for Bertum, isn't it?
        Bertrum Quan: Yes. I should be going off to bed.
        Nymf Hathaway: Oke wishing you a good night Bertrum, see you later
        Bertrum Quan: Have a good day Nymf and Tarmel!
        Tarmel Udimo: yes night!
        Tarmel Udimo: Are you coming to the retreat by any chance?
        Nymf Hathaway: Tell me about it, please
        Tarmel Udimo: ahh its the PaB one in August
        Nymf Hathaway: ah in the USA? no I am not, sorry to say
        Nymf Hathaway: I am in the Netherlands
        Tarmel Udimo: that's right
        Nymf Hathaway: Are you going?
        Tarmel Udimo: yes I am on the way to Canada to visit my Mum, so it works out perfectly
        Nymf Hathaway: Oh nice :))
        Tarmel Udimo: yes i couldn't beleive it - I have to stop in either LA or San Fran anyway to get to Toronto
        Nymf Hathaway: hahhaha love those coincidences :)
        Tarmel Udimo: and Mum's birthday is 8th September so it all aligned up:)
        Nymf Hathaway: wonderful, I am happy for you...I think it will be great
        Tarmel Udimo: yes looking forward to seeing if RL and Sl line up
        Nymf Hathaway: yes I can imagine
        Tarmel Udimo: I think it will its not like PaB is about externals
        Nymf Hathaway: I agree
        Tarmel Udimo: speaking of externals - is that your real pic in 1st life?
        Nymf Hathaway: yes
        Nymf Hathaway: in the woods near a pond, my loved spot :)
        Tarmel Udimo: beautiful:)
        Nymf Hathaway: we do not have much nature left in Holland, but what we have is old and pure
        Tarmel Udimo: makes it easier doesn't it being who you really are
        Nymf Hathaway: oh yes fully
        Tarmel Udimo: yes well Holland is so small
        Nymf Hathaway: I have seen people struggle in here... I do not see the reason
        Tarmel Udimo: me neither
        Nymf Hathaway: You are beautiful as who you are...the sooner people accept that the better they will accept each other
        Tarmel Udimo: I couldn't say it better and yet some people seem to need to be other than who they are...
        Nymf Hathaway: due to their childhood often, I noticed
        Tarmel Udimo: and say it works, thay they are learning things about themeslves they didn't know
        Nymf Hathaway: yes
        Nymf Hathaway: Needs to log off :( Tarmel I loved talking with you :) Thank you for the subject that will come to mind every few hours today :)
        Tarmel Udimo: ty and your thoughts will resonate for me too
        Tarmel Udimo: bye for now;)
        Nymf Hathaway: See you later :)

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