2009.06.29 13:00 - Good Luck

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Stim Morane. The comments are by Stim Morane.

    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
    Stim Morane: hi Scathach and Yakuzza
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Stim, yakuzza:)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i hope it's not that muggy in that states or in ireland
    Scathach Rhiadra: the weather?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: right
    Yakuzza Lethecus: is there another meaning of muggy ?
    Scathach Rhiadra: ah, can't think of one if there is
    Stim Morane: it's pleasant in my area, thanks
    Scathach Rhiadra: it is very humid here
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey fef
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Fefonz
    Fefonz Quan: Hello Stim, Scathach, Yakuzza!
    Stim Morane: hi Fefonz
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Solo, long time no see:)
    Solobill Laville: Hi, Scath, hi everyone! :)
    Fefonz Quan: Hey Solo :)
    Stim Morane: hi solo
    Solobill Laville: Hi Stim, Fef, Yakuzza :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi solo
    Stim Morane: Hi Wol
    Wol Euler: sorry I'm late.
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Wol
    Solobill Laville: Heya, Wol :)
    Fefonz Quan: Hey Wol!
    Wol Euler: hello solo, yakuzza, fef, stim, scath
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey wol
    Wol Euler considers where to sit, to retain the symmetrical arrangement
    Fefonz Quan: ununleash your sword and sit with us :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Wol Euler: hello sophia
    sophia Placebo: greetings
    Fefonz Quan: hey Sophia
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Sophia
    Stim Morane: hi sophia
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi sophia
    Solobill Laville: Hello, Sophia :)
    Wol Euler: nice to see you again, Solo! How are you?
    Solobill Laville: I'm well...getting over a very busy spell...
    Wol Euler: good :)
    Solobill Laville: :)
    sophia Placebo: hi pila
    Wol Euler: hello ipla
    Fefonz Quan: Hi Pila
    Wol Euler: *pila
    Solobill Laville: Hey Pila :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: hello Pila
    Pila Mulligan: greetings everyone :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi pila
    Wol Euler grins
    Stim Morane: hi Pila
    Scathach Rhiadra: musical chairs:)?
    Wol Euler: mmm, can't see a way to solve it ...
    sophia Placebo: :)
    Pila Mulligan: there is symmetry in the 4:2:2 arrangement Wol
    sophia Placebo: 2:0
    Wol Euler: sorry, I can't help it :)
    Fefonz Quan: yes you can!
    Wol Euler: true
    Wol Euler: I usually do.
    Pila Mulligan: is there any association between luck and dharma?
    Stim Morane: For example?
    Fefonz Quan: luck should be a part of dharma, sin't it?
    Fefonz Quan: isn't it?
    Wol Euler wonders what "luck" is ...
    Pila Mulligan: well, not so much is this luck or is this dharma in a given situation, but do traditions that adopt dharma as a device to explain reality ever associate luck with it?
    Fefonz Quan: if you lack it you would know :)
    Wol Euler: yes, but what _is_ it? :)
    Wol Euler: the fingerprint of God?
    Wol Euler: Being playing a good-humoured practical joke?
    Pila Mulligan: Wol, fortune cookies may soemtimes refer to luck
    Stim Morane: Sorry, Pila ... I'm still not following the intent of your question.
    Solobill Laville wonders about "dharma as a device"....
    Fefonz Quan: are fingerprints for for Gods unique like for men? then you can recognize which God gave you which luck
    Pila Mulligan: a device to explain, more exactly
    Pila Mulligan: to explain reality or describe it
    Solobill Laville: ah
    Pila Mulligan: the intent is to explore the concept of dharma, Stim
    Pila Mulligan: maybe in broader terms -- to see if it can reach the concept of luck
    Fefonz Quan: (Dharma has some multiple meanings, that makes the question a little ambigiuos)
    Pila Mulligan: yes, and so the answer may also be ambiguous .... but, it is anice topic
    Fefonz Quan: luck can be also in the eyes of the beholder
    Stim Morane: The main emphasis was always on the connection between one's actions (including one's intentions) and what eventually comes as a result. Luck wasn't part of that picture, although speaking very loosely people would speak of "good fortune" (meaning, good consequences of good actions).
    Pila Mulligan: ah, thank you -- that's what I wa swondering
    Pila Mulligan: good fortune then
    Solobill Laville: Right - and I was thinking a more maleable topic might be "luck and karma"...
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Solobill Laville: but that may not have been Pila's intent... ;)
    Stim Morane: "luck" in the ordinary sense of something nice that "just happens" wouldn't be part of any traditional Dharma tradition.
    Pila Mulligan: it works, Solo :)
    Wol Euler: My grandfather used to say "you make your own luck" - by being open and receptive to what comes
    Wol Euler: (and by putting in the endless hard work to get yourself to a place where luck might happen)
    Stim Morane: yes, Wol. That actually seems to be true, in fact.
    Pila Mulligan: so let's tune luck back to good fortune then
    Fefonz Quan nods to Wol
    Solobill Laville: Perhaps "good fortune" is really based upon the "view" of the recipient of the fortune
    Solobill Laville: So good is very subjective...
    Stim Morane: doubtless that is true, Solo.
    Stim Morane: but not surprisingly, the tradition has its own idea of what is "good" or fortunate.
    Stim Morane: :)
    Pila Mulligan: so maybe the better termed idea is the rlationship of good fortune to dharma and karma
    Fefonz Quan: Hey Nymf!
    Nymf Hathaway: Hello everyone :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Nymf
    sophia Placebo: hi nymf
    Wol Euler: hello nymf
    Solobill Laville: Hiya, Nymf
    Pila Mulligan: hi Nymf
    Stim Morane: hi nymf
    Pila Mulligan: hi Qt
    Qt Core: hi all
    Nymf Hathaway: Hello Qt
    Wol Euler: hello qt
    sophia Placebo: hi qt
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Qt
    Stim Morane: hi Qt
    Solobill Laville: Yo, Qt
    Fefonz Quan: there are notions that 'as you understand karma better and act upon it'/'progress in teh spiritual path' then better things will happen to you. I am not sure i can agree with that on the straight level
    Stim Morane: As with other religions, the idea is basically what the Chinese would call "being in accord with Tao". If you're in accord with reality, you enjoy reality rather than the unsatisfactoriness that accompanies being out of sync, not in accord, lost.
    Fefonz Quan: and yet, i guess one shouldn't expect 'no pain' while living
    Stim Morane: pain is something else ... can't skip that.
    Stim Morane: without pain, we probably couldn't even develop as living organisms.
    Fefonz Quan: yes, heard once that slogan: 'Pain is inevitable, suffering is an option'
    Stim Morane: yes
    Stim Morane: But the word "suffering" also means different things.
    Fefonz Quan: (well, that was in a buddhist retreat :))
    Solobill Laville: This idea of "being in accord..." seems to transcend the idea of "unlucky" or "lucky"
    Stim Morane: :)
    Stim Morane: yes, it's not really a matter of luck.
    Stim Morane: neither the old traditions nor science seems to know what to do with "lucK"
    Fefonz Quan: i would connect luck and appreciation
    Solobill Laville: Maybe real LUCK is the miracle that anything is at all (?!) :)
    Stim Morane: :)
    Fefonz Quan: yes, that's also teh Multiverse approach :)
    Wol Euler: "why does the world exist, when it would be so much easier for it not to?"
    Fefonz Quan: and the answer will be - since we are here to ask that question
    Fefonz Quan: fds
    Fefonz Quan: (just an optional answer, surely)
    Solobill Laville: That awareness of the miracle is appreciation, to your comment Fef...
    Pila Mulligan: humans seem to get used to the fact that unexpected events happen regularly (maybe other critters do not have expectations to start with)
    Pila Mulligan: the quality of those events are said by some schools to relate to one's intent or ethics
    Fefonz Quan: if so, Pila, that the unexpected is to be expected in a way
    Pila Mulligan: indeed, Fefonz
    Pila Mulligan: ironic, eh :)
    Solobill Laville: good unexpected = luck; bad unexpected = unluck then...
    Pila Mulligan: so to speak, Solo
    Pila Mulligan: but it is all part of nature :)
    Fefonz Quan: so maybe luck is just our narrow interpertation of things.
    Pila Mulligan: hi arabella
    arabella Ella: hiya
    Qt Core: hi ara
    Stim Morane: hi arabella
    Fefonz Quan: I am sure that there are events in my life, that i considered unlucky at a time, and looking back at them changes it completely
    Wol Euler: hello ara
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Ara
    Wol Euler: yes, fef.
    Fefonz Quan: Hey Ara
    Nymf Hathaway: Hello Arabella :)
    Pila Mulligan: can you elaborate, please, Fefonz?
    Pila Mulligan: wb Solo
    Wol Euler: wb solo.
    Solobill Laville: thx :)
    Wol Euler: symmetrical again :)
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Fefonz Quan: i can give a hypothtic situation, for example when you didn't got to the school you wanted and consider it unlucky, and the you find the love of your life there.
    Fefonz Quan: (in the other school)
    Pila Mulligan: maybe that is karma :)
    Qt Core: that almost happened to me... sadly the love i found was IT and not a girl ;-)
    Fefonz Quan: maybe, but the 'luck' tag one gave just shows that it was given without seeing teh big picture
    Fefonz Quan: IT will never leave you Qt :)
    Wol Euler: oh but it does :(
    Wol Euler: you get too slow to learn new languages.
    sophia Placebo: i imagined luck like passing through security without being cought , suposidly you were stealingfor th firsttime
    Pila Mulligan: like the force of your intent blocks the scanner?
    sophia Placebo: i dont know what dose that mean more but that is luck
    sophia Placebo: things that went good for you though it shouldnt
    Fefonz Quan: or you thought it shouldn't
    sophia Placebo: no it really shoudlnt
    sophia Placebo: like jumping over a low cause the worker in that department was too busey to notice
    sophia Placebo: or too happy
    Solobill Laville: So, luck then draws from Indifferent Universal Chance...(?)
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    sophia Placebo: either way , you were not really thinking of jumping of the law and getting what you want easly but it happenes
    Solobill Laville: Whereas karma, obviously would be quite different...
    Pila Mulligan: when I renewed my driver's license last time the clerk forgot to do the eye exam
    Fefonz Quan: not sure about escaping the law, but i find that many times we get things more easily than we expected.
    Pila Mulligan: now maybe this relates to interconectedness?
    Solobill Laville: What doesn't ?? ;)
    Fefonz Quan: Pila, you should stop drag this issue to Stim's session all teh time!
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Pila Mulligan: inadvertant
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Stim Morane: :)
    Pila Mulligan: (Pila fibs)
    Solobill Laville: This is a new symetric pattern - I love it!
    Wol Euler: :)
    Solobill Laville: (took a photo)
    Wol Euler: me too :)
    Pila Mulligan: reminds me of a courtroom, with the jury over here and oposing counsel over there
    Stim Morane: hi Mick
    Wol Euler pats the cusion next to herself.
    Nymf Hathaway: Hello Mickorod :)
    Solobill Laville: heh
    Pila Mulligan: hi Mick
    Wol Euler: hello mick
    Solobill Laville: Heya, Mick
    sophia Placebo: fef not necessarly laws , like your kid being lost in a public place or a big city and being found really far a way by one of your relatives or friends
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Mick
    arabella Ella: hiya mick
    sophia Placebo: hi mick
    Mickorod Renard: hiya folks
    Solobill Laville: Take my spot to Mick to keep the symmetry...I must be off, folks
    Fefonz Quan: oh, Mick, look what you've done
    sophia Placebo: bye solo
    Wol Euler: bye solo, take care.
    Pila Mulligan: bye Solo
    Stim Morane: bye
    Nymf Hathaway: Bye
    Scathach Rhiadra: bye Solo
    Solobill Laville: Bye all!
    Mickorod Renard: bye solo,,thanks
    Fefonz Quan: bye Solo!
    arabella Ella: bye Solo
    Fefonz Quan: Now, one person can change his sit, and still preserve teh symmetry
    Mickorod Renard: he he
    Nymf Hathaway: yup me :)
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Wol Euler cams for anoher photo
    Wol Euler grins
    Fefonz Quan: yeah
    Nymf Hathaway: Nice Fefonz :)
    Wol Euler: geeks at play :) I love it
    Nymf Hathaway: :)
    Mickorod Renard: do you think we are all geeks?
    Nymf Hathaway: hehehehe
    Mickorod Renard: spose we are,,in a way
    Wol Euler: those who are playing, are :)
    Pila Mulligan: geek may be a subjective charcaterization
    Wol Euler: and compared to the rest of our societies, who are drinking beer or watching tv: we are totally übergeeky
    Nymf Hathaway: Likes geeks :)
    Nymf Hathaway: ubergeeky :)
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Fefonz Quan: [14:07] Mickorod Renard: do you think we are all geeks?
    Fefonz Quan: it's like sittin in a star trek conference and ask that Mick :)
    Nymf Hathaway: :)))
    Wol Euler: :)
    Mickorod Renard: he he he
    Qt Core: >:-)
    Wol Euler: ha!
    Wol Euler: nice one qt
    Mickorod Renard: whats wrong with star trek,,i love it
    Fefonz Quan: exactly Mick!
    Nymf Hathaway: :))
    Mickorod Renard: oops,,now I have confirmed I am a geek
    Qt Core: that is not real... yet
    Nymf Hathaway: Would everyone here enter the enterprise or voyager?
    Stim Morane: Gotta go. Thanks, everyone!
    Mickorod Renard: bye stim
    Fefonz Quan: Bye Stim!
    Wol Euler: bye stim, take care
    Pila Mulligan: there were several flavors of the Enterprise
    arabella Ella: bye stim
    Scathach Rhiadra: bye Stim, thank you
    Pila Mulligan: bye Stim
    Nymf Hathaway: Bye bye Stim :)
    Qt Core: at warp speed too!
    Qt Core: bye stim
    sophia Placebo: bye stim
    Fefonz Quan: the main question i think is - would you enter the teleportation deck?
    Pila Mulligan: what's so unuusual about TPs?
    Nymf Hathaway: yes good question :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: good night all, Namasté:)
    arabella Ella: i would allow myself to be TP - d of course
    Pila Mulligan: bye Scath
    Fefonz Quan: Night Scath
    Mickorod Renard: nameste scath
    Wol Euler: 'night scath
    arabella Ella: ciao Scath
    Nymf Hathaway: Bye Scathach and Wol :)
    sophia Placebo: night scath
    arabella Ella: siao Wol
    Mickorod Renard: nite wol
    Wol Euler: oh no, I'm not going, just looking for a new seat :)
    sophia Placebo: bye wol
    Nymf Hathaway: oh sorry Wol :(
    Pila Mulligan: wb w/o bye
    Nymf Hathaway: :)
    Wol Euler: there was a winning move before Scath left ...
    Qt Core: well, if it is ever going to work the other end of the tp beam is you or not, not the same matter, and the soul/character ?
    Nymf Hathaway: yes Fefonz is in the way :)
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    arabella Ella: or time travel would be fun too
    Pila Mulligan: now we are normal
    sophia Placebo: hmm i thought about crashing while tp
    Wol Euler: thanks qt
    sophia Placebo: where i would be then?
    Wol Euler: yeah, I would fear taht the TP room would run on Vista.
    Nymf Hathaway: hehhe
    Nymf Hathaway: windows for sure
    Pila Mulligan: our qunatumm entanglements might get confused
    Fefonz Quan: the ones that said YES so fast, should read that little story:
    Fefonz Quan: http://www.infinityplus.co.uk/nonfiction/dinosaur.htm
    Fefonz Quan: (this is a review, didn't find an e copy of it)
    Mickorod Renard: we may end up tp'ing into Wols shower,,when she's singing
    Wol Euler: heheheheh
    Wol Euler: earplugs availaboe on request
    Nymf Hathaway: Read it partly and bookmarked it, thanks Fefonz :)
    Wol Euler: ty, fef
    Pila Mulligan: same
    Fefonz Quan: i warn you, after you read that you want step into A TP facility again!
    Wol Euler: :)
    arabella Ella: i read most of it and have not changed my opinion yet Fef :)
    Fefonz Quan: the last part is what matters :)
    arabella Ella: :)
    Pila Mulligan needs to slip away -- bye for now :)
    Fefonz Quan: bye Pila
    sophia Placebo: bye pila
    Wol Euler: bye pila, take care
    Nymf Hathaway: Bye bye Pila :)) see you soon
    arabella Ella: bye Pila
    Wol Euler: well done, qt
    Wol Euler: :)
    Nymf Hathaway: Storm made these seats on purpose...to keep us busy
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Wol Euler: clearly a man who has sufferd through many dull meetings with uniform seating
    Nymf Hathaway: :))))
    Qt Core: there should be a little gentle chime playing when a symmetrical disposition is created ;-)
    Wol Euler: that would be nice! but probably enormously difficult to compute
    Nymf Hathaway: oh new possibilities :))
    Wol Euler: other than brute force matching
    Qt Core: a precomputes list of configuration
    Wol Euler: right
    Fefonz Quan: Qt, i am afraid this will finally destroy any chance that we discuss SOME of the things we gathered here for :)
    Wol Euler laughs
    Qt Core: but we will surely appreciate simmetry ;-)
    sophia Placebo: good night all
    Wol Euler: 'night sophia, take care
    Mickorod Renard: bye sophia
    Fefonz Quan: good night Sophia
    Nymf Hathaway: Bye bye
    Mickorod Renard: nice outfit
    Qt Core: bye
    arabella Ella: nite everyone i must go too
    Fefonz Quan: night Ara
    Mickorod Renard: bye Ara
    Nymf Hathaway: Bye Arabella :)
    Qt Core: simmetric exits too!
    Wol Euler: heheheh
    Nymf Hathaway: we can go for the inner circle :)
    Wol Euler: but not symmetrically
    Wol Euler: oh yse, we could get a rotational symmetry
    Mickorod Renard: well,,before I get comfey i must be going too,,bye and thanks
    Mickorod Renard: nd go well
    Wol Euler: 'night mick, see you tomorrow
    Qt Core: bye mick
    Mickorod Renard: yep tommorow
    Fefonz Quan: bye Mick
    Nymf Hathaway: Bye bye Mickorod, I will keep naming you like this untill you tell me I can use Mick....too late :(
    Wol Euler: good, fef.
    Nymf Hathaway: :)
    Qt Core: we need a good shrink, you know, right ?
    Fefonz Quan: think i spot some attachment to symmetry here
    Nymf Hathaway: hahhaha Qt
    Fefonz Quan: thought i already shrunk the pool Qt ;-)
    Wol Euler: this would even balance by mass, if the playgoda were poised on a pinhead below the fountain
    Nymf Hathaway: :))
    Qt Core: (talks the one that spend half an hour aligning windowses each morning in his pc)
    Wol Euler: heheheheh
    Fefonz Quan: thich one is it?
    Fefonz Quan: will leave soon guys.
    Fefonz Quan: take care!
    Nymf Hathaway: well Wol....its now up to you...as I am leaving :)
    Wol Euler: goodnight fef, enjoy the rest of the day
    Wol Euler: bye nymf, take care.
    Nymf Hathaway: Have a good night or day everyone
    Qt Core: bye
    Nymf Hathaway: bye bye
    Wol Euler: :)
    Qt Core: it may be interesting to note i choose almost unconsciously always the furthest position... that is social me ;-)
    Wol Euler: perhaps you are unconsciously looking to balance the weights?
    Wol Euler: it does fascinate me, though, the way that we occupy space in SL
    Wol Euler: why people have favourite virtual chairs
    Wol Euler: when we could in fact sit sideways on the columns, defying gravity
    Qt Core: i like to balance things
    Qt Core: as in rl objects
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Wol Euler: I'm sorry, but it is getting very late. I must be going.
    Qt Core: sleeptime for me too
    Wol Euler: goodnight qt, goodnight Yakuzza
    Qt Core: we need a pad in the fountain!
    Wol Euler: yakkers seems to be asleep already :)
    Qt Core: ;-)
    Wol Euler: ciao, buona notte
    Qt Core: buona notte a te
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