2009.06.29 13:00 - Good Luck

The Guardian for this meeting was Stim Morane. The comments are by Stim Morane.

Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
Stim Morane: hi Scathach and Yakuzza
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Stim, yakuzza:)
Yakuzza Lethecus: i hope it's not that muggy in that states or in ireland
Scathach Rhiadra: the weather?
Yakuzza Lethecus: right
Yakuzza Lethecus: is there another meaning of muggy ?
Scathach Rhiadra: ah, can't think of one if there is
Stim Morane: it's pleasant in my area, thanks
Scathach Rhiadra: it is very humid here
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey fef
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Fefonz
Fefonz Quan: Hello Stim, Scathach, Yakuzza!
Stim Morane: hi Fefonz
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Solo, long time no see:)
Solobill Laville: Hi, Scath, hi everyone! :)
Fefonz Quan: Hey Solo :)
Stim Morane: hi solo
Solobill Laville: Hi Stim, Fef, Yakuzza :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hi solo
Stim Morane: Hi Wol
Wol Euler: sorry I'm late.
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Wol
Solobill Laville: Heya, Wol :)
Fefonz Quan: Hey Wol!
Wol Euler: hello solo, yakuzza, fef, stim, scath
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey wol
Wol Euler considers where to sit, to retain the symmetrical arrangement
Fefonz Quan: ununleash your sword and sit with us :)
Scathach Rhiadra: :)
Wol Euler: hello sophia
sophia Placebo: greetings
Fefonz Quan: hey Sophia
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Sophia
Stim Morane: hi sophia
Yakuzza Lethecus: hi sophia
Solobill Laville: Hello, Sophia :)
Wol Euler: nice to see you again, Solo! How are you?
Solobill Laville: I'm well...getting over a very busy spell...
Wol Euler: good :)
Solobill Laville: :)
sophia Placebo: hi pila
Wol Euler: hello ipla
Fefonz Quan: Hi Pila
Wol Euler: *pila
Solobill Laville: Hey Pila :)
Scathach Rhiadra: hello Pila
Pila Mulligan: greetings everyone :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hi pila
Wol Euler grins
Stim Morane: hi Pila
Scathach Rhiadra: musical chairs:)?
Wol Euler: mmm, can't see a way to solve it ...
sophia Placebo: :)
Pila Mulligan: there is symmetry in the 4:2:2 arrangement Wol
sophia Placebo: 2:0
Wol Euler: sorry, I can't help it :)
Fefonz Quan: yes you can!
Wol Euler: true
Wol Euler: I usually do.
Pila Mulligan: is there any association between luck and dharma?
Stim Morane: For example?
Fefonz Quan: luck should be a part of dharma, sin't it?
Fefonz Quan: isn't it?
Wol Euler wonders what "luck" is ...
Pila Mulligan: well, not so much is this luck or is this dharma in a given situation, but do traditions that adopt dharma as a device to explain reality ever associate luck with it?
Fefonz Quan: if you lack it you would know :)
Wol Euler: yes, but what _is_ it? :)
Wol Euler: the fingerprint of God?
Wol Euler: Being playing a good-humoured practical joke?
Pila Mulligan: Wol, fortune cookies may soemtimes refer to luck
Stim Morane: Sorry, Pila ... I'm still not following the intent of your question.
Solobill Laville wonders about "dharma as a device"....
Fefonz Quan: are fingerprints for for Gods unique like for men? then you can recognize which God gave you which luck
Pila Mulligan: a device to explain, more exactly
Pila Mulligan: to explain reality or describe it
Solobill Laville: ah
Pila Mulligan: the intent is to explore the concept of dharma, Stim
Pila Mulligan: maybe in broader terms -- to see if it can reach the concept of luck
Fefonz Quan: (Dharma has some multiple meanings, that makes the question a little ambigiuos)
Pila Mulligan: yes, and so the answer may also be ambiguous .... but, it is anice topic
Fefonz Quan: luck can be also in the eyes of the beholder
Stim Morane: The main emphasis was always on the connection between one's actions (including one's intentions) and what eventually comes as a result. Luck wasn't part of that picture, although speaking very loosely people would speak of "good fortune" (meaning, good consequences of good actions).
Pila Mulligan: ah, thank you -- that's what I wa swondering
Pila Mulligan: good fortune then
Solobill Laville: Right - and I was thinking a more maleable topic might be "luck and karma"...
Pila Mulligan: :)
Solobill Laville: but that may not have been Pila's intent... ;)
Stim Morane: "luck" in the ordinary sense of something nice that "just happens" wouldn't be part of any traditional Dharma tradition.
Pila Mulligan: it works, Solo :)
Wol Euler: My grandfather used to say "you make your own luck" - by being open and receptive to what comes
Wol Euler: (and by putting in the endless hard work to get yourself to a place where luck might happen)
Stim Morane: yes, Wol. That actually seems to be true, in fact.
Pila Mulligan: so let's tune luck back to good fortune then
Fefonz Quan nods to Wol
Solobill Laville: Perhaps "good fortune" is really based upon the "view" of the recipient of the fortune
Solobill Laville: So good is very subjective...
Stim Morane: doubtless that is true, Solo.
Stim Morane: but not surprisingly, the tradition has its own idea of what is "good" or fortunate.
Stim Morane: :)
Pila Mulligan: so maybe the better termed idea is the rlationship of good fortune to dharma and karma
Fefonz Quan: Hey Nymf!
Nymf Hathaway: Hello everyone :)
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Nymf
sophia Placebo: hi nymf
Wol Euler: hello nymf
Solobill Laville: Hiya, Nymf
Pila Mulligan: hi Nymf
Stim Morane: hi nymf
Pila Mulligan: hi Qt
Qt Core: hi all
Nymf Hathaway: Hello Qt
Wol Euler: hello qt
sophia Placebo: hi qt
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Qt
Stim Morane: hi Qt
Solobill Laville: Yo, Qt
Fefonz Quan: there are notions that 'as you understand karma better and act upon it'/'progress in teh spiritual path' then better things will happen to you. I am not sure i can agree with that on the straight level
Stim Morane: As with other religions, the idea is basically what the Chinese would call "being in accord with Tao". If you're in accord with reality, you enjoy reality rather than the unsatisfactoriness that accompanies being out of sync, not in accord, lost.
Fefonz Quan: and yet, i guess one shouldn't expect 'no pain' while living
Stim Morane: pain is something else ... can't skip that.
Stim Morane: without pain, we probably couldn't even develop as living organisms.
Fefonz Quan: yes, heard once that slogan: 'Pain is inevitable, suffering is an option'
Stim Morane: yes
Stim Morane: But the word "suffering" also means different things.
Fefonz Quan: (well, that was in a buddhist retreat :))
Solobill Laville: This idea of "being in accord..." seems to transcend the idea of "unlucky" or "lucky"
Stim Morane: :)
Stim Morane: yes, it's not really a matter of luck.
Stim Morane: neither the old traditions nor science seems to know what to do with "lucK"
Fefonz Quan: i would connect luck and appreciation
Solobill Laville: Maybe real LUCK is the miracle that anything is at all (?!) :)
Stim Morane: :)
Fefonz Quan: yes, that's also teh Multiverse approach :)
Wol Euler: "why does the world exist, when it would be so much easier for it not to?"
Fefonz Quan: and the answer will be - since we are here to ask that question
Fefonz Quan: fds
Fefonz Quan: (just an optional answer, surely)
Solobill Laville: That awareness of the miracle is appreciation, to your comment Fef...
Pila Mulligan: humans seem to get used to the fact that unexpected events happen regularly (maybe other critters do not have expectations to start with)
Pila Mulligan: the quality of those events are said by some schools to relate to one's intent or ethics
Fefonz Quan: if so, Pila, that the unexpected is to be expected in a way
Pila Mulligan: indeed, Fefonz
Pila Mulligan: ironic, eh :)
Solobill Laville: good unexpected = luck; bad unexpected = unluck then...
Pila Mulligan: so to speak, Solo
Pila Mulligan: but it is all part of nature :)
Fefonz Quan: so maybe luck is just our narrow interpertation of things.
Pila Mulligan: hi arabella
arabella Ella: hiya
Qt Core: hi ara
Stim Morane: hi arabella
Fefonz Quan: I am sure that there are events in my life, that i considered unlucky at a time, and looking back at them changes it completely
Wol Euler: hello ara
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Ara
Wol Euler: yes, fef.
Fefonz Quan: Hey Ara
Nymf Hathaway: Hello Arabella :)
Pila Mulligan: can you elaborate, please, Fefonz?
Pila Mulligan: wb Solo
Wol Euler: wb solo.
Solobill Laville: thx :)
Wol Euler: symmetrical again :)
Pila Mulligan: :)
Fefonz Quan: i can give a hypothtic situation, for example when you didn't got to the school you wanted and consider it unlucky, and the you find the love of your life there.
Fefonz Quan: (in the other school)
Pila Mulligan: maybe that is karma :)
Qt Core: that almost happened to me... sadly the love i found was IT and not a girl ;-)
Fefonz Quan: maybe, but the 'luck' tag one gave just shows that it was given without seeing teh big picture
Fefonz Quan: IT will never leave you Qt :)
Wol Euler: oh but it does :(
Wol Euler: you get too slow to learn new languages.
sophia Placebo: i imagined luck like passing through security without being cought , suposidly you were stealingfor th firsttime
Pila Mulligan: like the force of your intent blocks the scanner?
sophia Placebo: i dont know what dose that mean more but that is luck
sophia Placebo: things that went good for you though it shouldnt
Fefonz Quan: or you thought it shouldn't
sophia Placebo: no it really shoudlnt
sophia Placebo: like jumping over a low cause the worker in that department was too busey to notice
sophia Placebo: or too happy
Solobill Laville: So, luck then draws from Indifferent Universal Chance...(?)
Pila Mulligan: :)
sophia Placebo: either way , you were not really thinking of jumping of the law and getting what you want easly but it happenes
Solobill Laville: Whereas karma, obviously would be quite different...
Pila Mulligan: when I renewed my driver's license last time the clerk forgot to do the eye exam
Fefonz Quan: not sure about escaping the law, but i find that many times we get things more easily than we expected.
Pila Mulligan: now maybe this relates to interconectedness?
Solobill Laville: What doesn't ?? ;)
Fefonz Quan: Pila, you should stop drag this issue to Stim's session all teh time!
Pila Mulligan: :)
Pila Mulligan: inadvertant
Pila Mulligan: :)
Stim Morane: :)
Pila Mulligan: (Pila fibs)
Solobill Laville: This is a new symetric pattern - I love it!
Wol Euler: :)
Solobill Laville: (took a photo)
Wol Euler: me too :)
Pila Mulligan: reminds me of a courtroom, with the jury over here and oposing counsel over there
Stim Morane: hi Mick
Wol Euler pats the cusion next to herself.
Nymf Hathaway: Hello Mickorod :)
Solobill Laville: heh
Pila Mulligan: hi Mick
Wol Euler: hello mick
Solobill Laville: Heya, Mick
sophia Placebo: fef not necessarly laws , like your kid being lost in a public place or a big city and being found really far a way by one of your relatives or friends
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Mick
arabella Ella: hiya mick
sophia Placebo: hi mick
Mickorod Renard: hiya folks
Solobill Laville: Take my spot to Mick to keep the symmetry...I must be off, folks
Fefonz Quan: oh, Mick, look what you've done
sophia Placebo: bye solo
Wol Euler: bye solo, take care.
Pila Mulligan: bye Solo
Stim Morane: bye
Nymf Hathaway: Bye
Scathach Rhiadra: bye Solo
Solobill Laville: Bye all!
Mickorod Renard: bye solo,,thanks
Fefonz Quan: bye Solo!
arabella Ella: bye Solo
Fefonz Quan: Now, one person can change his sit, and still preserve teh symmetry
Mickorod Renard: he he
Nymf Hathaway: yup me :)
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Pila Mulligan: :)
Wol Euler cams for anoher photo
Wol Euler grins
Fefonz Quan: yeah
Nymf Hathaway: Nice Fefonz :)
Wol Euler: geeks at play :) I love it
Nymf Hathaway: :)
Mickorod Renard: do you think we are all geeks?
Nymf Hathaway: hehehehe
Mickorod Renard: spose we are,,in a way
Wol Euler: those who are playing, are :)
Pila Mulligan: geek may be a subjective charcaterization
Wol Euler: and compared to the rest of our societies, who are drinking beer or watching tv: we are totally übergeeky
Nymf Hathaway: Likes geeks :)
Nymf Hathaway: ubergeeky :)
Pila Mulligan: :)
Fefonz Quan: [14:07] Mickorod Renard: do you think we are all geeks?
Fefonz Quan: it's like sittin in a star trek conference and ask that Mick :)
Nymf Hathaway: :)))
Wol Euler: :)
Mickorod Renard: he he he
Qt Core: >:-)
Wol Euler: ha!
Wol Euler: nice one qt
Mickorod Renard: whats wrong with star trek,,i love it
Fefonz Quan: exactly Mick!
Nymf Hathaway: :))
Mickorod Renard: oops,,now I have confirmed I am a geek
Qt Core: that is not real... yet
Nymf Hathaway: Would everyone here enter the enterprise or voyager?
Stim Morane: Gotta go. Thanks, everyone!
Mickorod Renard: bye stim
Fefonz Quan: Bye Stim!
Wol Euler: bye stim, take care
Pila Mulligan: there were several flavors of the Enterprise
arabella Ella: bye stim
Scathach Rhiadra: bye Stim, thank you
Pila Mulligan: bye Stim
Nymf Hathaway: Bye bye Stim :)
Qt Core: at warp speed too!
Qt Core: bye stim
sophia Placebo: bye stim
Fefonz Quan: the main question i think is - would you enter the teleportation deck?
Pila Mulligan: what's so unuusual about TPs?
Nymf Hathaway: yes good question :)
Scathach Rhiadra: good night all, Namasté:)
arabella Ella: i would allow myself to be TP - d of course
Pila Mulligan: bye Scath
Fefonz Quan: Night Scath
Mickorod Renard: nameste scath
Wol Euler: 'night scath
arabella Ella: ciao Scath
Nymf Hathaway: Bye Scathach and Wol :)
sophia Placebo: night scath
arabella Ella: siao Wol
Mickorod Renard: nite wol
Wol Euler: oh no, I'm not going, just looking for a new seat :)
sophia Placebo: bye wol
Nymf Hathaway: oh sorry Wol :(
Pila Mulligan: wb w/o bye
Nymf Hathaway: :)
Wol Euler: there was a winning move before Scath left ...
Qt Core: well, if it is ever going to work the other end of the tp beam is you or not, not the same matter, and the soul/character ?
Nymf Hathaway: yes Fefonz is in the way :)
Wol Euler: mmhmm
arabella Ella: or time travel would be fun too
Pila Mulligan: now we are normal
sophia Placebo: hmm i thought about crashing while tp
Wol Euler: thanks qt
sophia Placebo: where i would be then?
Wol Euler: yeah, I would fear taht the TP room would run on Vista.
Nymf Hathaway: hehhe
Nymf Hathaway: windows for sure
Pila Mulligan: our qunatumm entanglements might get confused
Fefonz Quan: the ones that said YES so fast, should read that little story:
Fefonz Quan: http://www.infinityplus.co.uk/nonfiction/dinosaur.htm
Fefonz Quan: (this is a review, didn't find an e copy of it)
Mickorod Renard: we may end up tp'ing into Wols shower,,when she's singing
Wol Euler: heheheheh
Wol Euler: earplugs availaboe on request
Nymf Hathaway: Read it partly and bookmarked it, thanks Fefonz :)
Wol Euler: ty, fef
Pila Mulligan: same
Fefonz Quan: i warn you, after you read that you want step into A TP facility again!
Wol Euler: :)
arabella Ella: i read most of it and have not changed my opinion yet Fef :)
Fefonz Quan: the last part is what matters :)
arabella Ella: :)
Pila Mulligan needs to slip away -- bye for now :)
Fefonz Quan: bye Pila
sophia Placebo: bye pila
Wol Euler: bye pila, take care
Nymf Hathaway: Bye bye Pila :)) see you soon
arabella Ella: bye Pila
Wol Euler: well done, qt
Wol Euler: :)
Nymf Hathaway: Storm made these seats on purpose...to keep us busy
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Wol Euler: clearly a man who has sufferd through many dull meetings with uniform seating
Nymf Hathaway: :))))
Qt Core: there should be a little gentle chime playing when a symmetrical disposition is created ;-)
Wol Euler: that would be nice! but probably enormously difficult to compute
Nymf Hathaway: oh new possibilities :))
Wol Euler: other than brute force matching
Qt Core: a precomputes list of configuration
Wol Euler: right
Fefonz Quan: Qt, i am afraid this will finally destroy any chance that we discuss SOME of the things we gathered here for :)
Wol Euler laughs
Qt Core: but we will surely appreciate simmetry ;-)
sophia Placebo: good night all
Wol Euler: 'night sophia, take care
Mickorod Renard: bye sophia
Fefonz Quan: good night Sophia
Nymf Hathaway: Bye bye
Mickorod Renard: nice outfit
Qt Core: bye
arabella Ella: nite everyone i must go too
Fefonz Quan: night Ara
Mickorod Renard: bye Ara
Nymf Hathaway: Bye Arabella :)
Qt Core: simmetric exits too!
Wol Euler: heheheh
Nymf Hathaway: we can go for the inner circle :)
Wol Euler: but not symmetrically
Wol Euler: oh yse, we could get a rotational symmetry
Mickorod Renard: well,,before I get comfey i must be going too,,bye and thanks
Mickorod Renard: nd go well
Wol Euler: 'night mick, see you tomorrow
Qt Core: bye mick
Mickorod Renard: yep tommorow
Fefonz Quan: bye Mick
Nymf Hathaway: Bye bye Mickorod, I will keep naming you like this untill you tell me I can use Mick....too late :(
Wol Euler: good, fef.
Nymf Hathaway: :)
Qt Core: we need a good shrink, you know, right ?
Fefonz Quan: think i spot some attachment to symmetry here
Nymf Hathaway: hahhaha Qt
Fefonz Quan: thought i already shrunk the pool Qt ;-)
Wol Euler: this would even balance by mass, if the playgoda were poised on a pinhead below the fountain
Nymf Hathaway: :))
Qt Core: (talks the one that spend half an hour aligning windowses each morning in his pc)
Wol Euler: heheheheh
Fefonz Quan: thich one is it?
Fefonz Quan: will leave soon guys.
Fefonz Quan: take care!
Nymf Hathaway: well Wol....its now up to you...as I am leaving :)
Wol Euler: goodnight fef, enjoy the rest of the day
Wol Euler: bye nymf, take care.
Nymf Hathaway: Have a good night or day everyone
Qt Core: bye
Nymf Hathaway: bye bye
Wol Euler: :)
Qt Core: it may be interesting to note i choose almost unconsciously always the furthest position... that is social me ;-)
Wol Euler: perhaps you are unconsciously looking to balance the weights?
Wol Euler: it does fascinate me, though, the way that we occupy space in SL
Wol Euler: why people have favourite virtual chairs
Wol Euler: when we could in fact sit sideways on the columns, defying gravity
Qt Core: i like to balance things
Qt Core: as in rl objects
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Wol Euler: I'm sorry, but it is getting very late. I must be going.
Qt Core: sleeptime for me too
Wol Euler: goodnight qt, goodnight Yakuzza
Qt Core: we need a pad in the fountain!
Wol Euler: yakkers seems to be asleep already :)
Qt Core: ;-)
Wol Euler: ciao, buona notte
Qt Core: buona notte a te