2009.10.08 13:00 - Devotion and the energy of doubt

The Guardian for this meeting was Storm Nordwind. The comments are by Storm Nordwind.

Storm Nordwind: Good evening Qt
Qt Core: Hi Storm
Storm Nordwind: How are you Qt?
Qt Core: quite good, enjoying or not last bits of summer weather, you ?
Storm Nordwind: I'm fine thank you, and it's snowing here today :)
Qt Core: not good, snow is nice only on tv ;-)
Storm Nordwind: SNow is very good here. It's our summer water!
Qt Core: even if i see some snow each year i can't really think about it at this time of the year, it feel so unreal
Pema Pera: Hi Storm and Qt!
Qt Core: hi pema
Storm Nordwind: Hello Pema :)
Storm Nordwind: We were just being polite Europeans and opening by talking of the weather! :)
Qt Core: ;)
Pema Pera: I love Dutch weather :-)
Pema Pera: Hi Hana!
Hana Furlough: hi everyone~
Storm Nordwind: Hi Hana
Qt Core: don't know it, fast change between rain and sun , pema ?
Qt Core: hi Hana
Pema Pera: hmmm, depends
Pema Pera: it can be sunless for a few weeks on end . . . you wouldn't like it, Qt
Qt Core: remember, i'm from Milan, i love fog
Pema Pera: ah!
Storm Nordwind: I endured that for 6 years in Scotland. Now I have sun here (or rather snow today) :)
Pema Pera: wow, already!
--BELL--
Storm Nordwind: It's 1°C
sophia Placebo: Hi all
Hana Furlough: hi sophia
Qt Core: wow, it is 18 here at 10pm
Storm Nordwind: Welcome Sophia
Pema Pera: hi Sophia! and hi Arabella!
arabella Ella: Hiya
Hana Furlough: hi ara
sophia Placebo: hi ara
Storm Nordwind waves
Qt Core: hi sophia,ara
Qt Core: i don't know why i'm thinking about storm living in a log cabin, almost in canada ;-)

 

The indefatigable Pema introduces an interesting topic.

Pema Pera: I have enjoyed the email exchange, the last few days, started by Gaya, with Storm and Solo and I responding.
Storm Nordwind: Greetings Bertram
Pema Pera: Does anyone like to comment on that?
Hana Furlough: yes the exchange has been interesting
arabella Ella: Hiya Bert
Pema Pera: It was about "starting at the end" and the question of what PaB really stands for
Bertram Jacobus: hi everybody ...
sophia Placebo: hi bert
Pema Pera: Hi Bert!
Hana Furlough: hi bert~
arabella Ella: must admit have been a bit too busy at work to check my personal email :(
sophia Placebo: i enjoyed reading it
Qt Core: i got lost pretty early with them ;-)
Pema Pera: Hana and Sophia, what did you like about those?
Storm Nordwind: Oh Qt?
arabella Ella feels i must read it too soon
Storm Nordwind: Welcome Widget :)
Widget Whiteberry walks in quietly
Pema Pera: Hi Widget!
Hana Furlough: hi widg
arabella Ella: Hiya Widget
sophia Placebo: hi widget
Bertram Jacobus: hey widget :-)
Widget Whiteberry: ☆smiles☆
Qt Core: read them at a wrong time, not concentrated enough

Hana comments on a key quality of the email tread Pema had mentioned.

Hana Furlough: i liked how open it was
Qt Core: (may retry in the weekend)
Storm Nordwind: That's a wonderful thing about Play as Being - how openness often comes so naturally
Hana Furlough: right
Hana Furlough: even when it comes to matters of doubt
Hana Furlough: which is crucial
sophia Placebo: i liked how sipmle the questaion were
Bertram Jacobus: what do you mean with "open" at that special topic please hana ? :-)
sophia Placebo: simple
Hana Furlough: i'm referring in particular to gaya's email
Bertram Jacobus: okay - looks like i must read that then, too ... ;-)
Storm Nordwind: I know a 'spiritual' teacher who makes fun of other people's ideas. Consequently, few people except the more thick-skinned (like me) ever want to discuss things with her
Storm Nordwind: This is a wonderful change from that
Hana Furlough: i was so heartened to hear her candid reflections on the notion of starting at the end
Storm Nordwind: Candour often needs great courage, and it think it's good to encourage it
Hana Furlough: right

And she makes another interesting observation, controversial in some quarters - though not, it seems, here!

Hana Furlough: and doubt is also essential to any sort of religious practice
Hana Furlough: in my view
Storm Nordwind: I agree, though some would not!
Widget Whiteberry: Doubt?
Storm Nordwind: "Doubt is the furnace that purifies the gold!"
Hana Furlough: in zen, there is the idea that the greater the doubt, the greater the enlightenment
Widget Whiteberry: so doubt is appropriate for zen
Widget Whiteberry: while I am a natural doubter
Widget Whiteberry: I'd be surprised to learn that it is
Hana Furlough: how so widget?
Widget Whiteberry: thought to be essential to all regligious systems
Storm Nordwind: Some people are ashamed to admit to doubting. perhaps it's an essential part of faith
Pema Pera: Hi Mick!
Hana Furlough: hi mick~
Bertram Jacobus: hello mick ... :-)
sophia Placebo: great landing mick !
Widget Whiteberry: did they just parachute in?!
Mickorod Renard: Hiya
Storm Nordwind: PaB = parachute at beacon :)
Widget Whiteberry: ☆smiles☆
Bertram Jacobus: lol
Mickorod Renard: sorry,,a bit disorientated

Pema contrasts doubt and belief.

Pema Pera: Initially, belief is always belief in the wrong thing -- too naive a picture; and doubt can help to raise above that, shake off the naive picture
Storm Nordwind nods
Hana Furlough: and there is a tremendous power in the energy of doubt
Hana Furlough: if we don't resist it
Pema Pera: In general, any belief in an idea, an ideal, can be limiting; working with a method without tying into a belief is better; and in PaB we don't even buy into a method, we leave everything up for grabs :)
Storm Nordwind: Many of the great advances in our world have come through doubt as well as faith
Storm Nordwind: That must perplex the method-maniacs Pema!

And another idea, devotion, which we take up as the theme for most of the rest of the session (which I include without interrupting comments).

Pema Pera: in a sense, you could describe PaB as an ultimate kind of devotion, of total trust in Reality, in Being, without the need for beliefs or methods to prop up that trust
--BELL--
Widget Whiteberry: I think of PaB as allowing myself to be playful with my being
Widget Whiteberry: that is the message I take from it
Widget Whiteberry: in this early phase of my explosure
Widget Whiteberry: which of course
Widget Whiteberry: hmm, at least for me
Widget Whiteberry: involves a level of trust both
Widget Whiteberry: in myself and in the way others respond
Pema Pera: that's a great approach, Widget!
Storm Nordwind: I like that Widget! But I wonder whether the idea of devotion would put some people off, Pema, if they thought about PaB in terms of devotion (?)
Widget Whiteberry: devotion is a strong word
Pema Pera: we then would have to talk more
Pema Pera: to see what we mean with "devotion"
Storm Nordwind: Devotion has a lot of baggage with it I expect
Pema Pera: any word has :)
Storm Nordwind: Especially the word "baggage" :)
Pema Pera: I don't mean devotion as in blind faith
Pema Pera: :)
Pema Pera: quite the opposite
Mickorod Renard: I dont mind addmitting that I have become devoted, and am not ashamed of it
Pema Pera: devoted to what, Mick?
Mickorod Renard: of coming here and chatting with friends
Hana Furlough: smiles
Pema Pera: :)
Pema Pera: Widget, may I ask, have you gotten a chance to play with the 9-sec pauses?
Storm Nordwind: I suspect some people shy away from devotion because it sounds so all consuming and they'd never get anything else done without reference to the object of devotion
Hana Furlough: right
Pema Pera: in that case, devotion to "what is" may not interfere :-)
Storm Nordwind: True, and it is possible to be devoted to many things
Hana Furlough: it implies a lack of attention to self, which is not necessarily so
Widget Whiteberry: there are acts of devotion
Widget Whiteberry: archtypal encounters
Widget Whiteberry: could the time tax be thought of that way?
Widget Whiteberry: an act of devotion, a moment of complete focus, on being
Pema Pera: yes, definitely, Widget
Storm Nordwind nods
Pema Pera: the nice thing about the time tax is that it is so open, like a sheet of white paper, it can be thought of, and used for, many things!
Pema Pera: it's the frequency, the fact that you do it, not what you do during it
Storm Nordwind: Even the intention to do it is devotion
Pema Pera: !
Pema Pera: the gesture, yes
sophia Placebo: devoution in my language come from within , so when one say that he is devoted not to some object but to -do- something and to -be- something , it usually not used to link person to silly stuff , more to concepts
Bertram Jacobus: hey yaku ... :-)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
Pema Pera: can you say more about that, Sophia?
Pema Pera: Hi Yaku!
Hana Furlough: hi yaku~
arabella Ella: Hiya Yaku
sophia Placebo: it is just a language thing
sophia Placebo: hi yak
Mickorod Renard: Hi Yaku
Widget Whiteberry: language things are important
Pema Pera: so how would you describe devotion, in your terms, Sophia?
Bertram Jacobus: associates the song "love, devotion and surrender" from santana ... ;-)
Mickorod Renard: I was thinking of a commitment from the heart
arabella Ella: :)
sophia Placebo: well , i would describe where we would use it , like we dont use it to say im devoted to my job nor to my society
arabella Ella: what word do you use Sophia?
arabella Ella: maybe i can identify with it?
sophia Placebo: ikhlas if we are talking about the same thing , devoution is translated to many words in arabic
arabella Ella: is that not related to payment too?
arabella Ella: like re-paying someone for what they have done for you?
arabella Ella: reciprocating?
sophia Placebo: yes mick more of something coming from the heart , something you truly willfully commit to cuz you see what it is like
sophia Placebo: i guess it has no relation to payment
Bertram Jacobus: helllo wol ! ... :-)
Pema Pera: Hi Wol!
sophia Placebo: hi wol
Hana Furlough: hi wol
Wol Euler: good evening all, sorry I'm so late
arabella Ella: ok ... in my language hlas means payment
arabella Ella: hiya Wol
--BELL--
Mickorod Renard: Hiya Wol
Hana Furlough: hi lingerer~
Lingerer Xaris: hi hana
Qt Core: have to go, bye all
Bertram Jacobus: bye qt ...
Wol Euler: bye qt
sophia Placebo: bye Qt
Hana Furlough: bye qt~
Mickorod Renard: bye qt
Storm Nordwind waves
Bertram Jacobus: and hello lingerer ...
sophia Placebo: sound similar hlas , but not the same meaning i think, anyway it is just a language thing
Yakuzza Lethecus: hi wol, lingerer
Lingerer Xaris: hello all
sophia Placebo: hi lingerer
Pema Pera: Hi Lingerer!
Lingerer Xaris: :) !
Bertram Jacobus: somebody knows the "love, devotion and surrender" song from santana ? ... :-)
arabella Ella: yes bert
arabella Ella: very well
arabella Ella: :)
Storm Nordwind: You hum it, I'll play it :)
arabella Ella smiles
Mickorod Renard: maybe u can find it on u tube?
arabella Ella loves santana
Bertram Jacobus: i think, that also could be a kind of description, what devotion is : can be between love and surrender (?) ... :-)
arabella Ella: and their tunes
arabella Ella: yes
Hana Furlough: that's nice
Lingerer Xaris: if you're tired of walkin' around and getting nowhere, I know, there's a path that's leading towards the Master. Chorus: Love, devotion and surrender
Lingerer Xaris: nice. i just looked up those lyrics
Wol Euler fires up iTunes on her laptop
Lingerer Xaris: lol. right on
Mickorod Renard: hey wol,,send the link
Lingerer Xaris: i have been thinking about trust. devotion requres great trust.
arabella Ella: scuse me everyone but i must go now
arabella Ella: nite all
Storm Nordwind: Bye ara
Hana Furlough: can you say more, lingerer?
Mickorod Renard: nite Ara
Yakuzza Lethecus: nite ara
Bertram Jacobus: good nite ara
Hana Furlough: bye ara~
Pema Pera: bye Arabella
Yakuzza Lethecus: not comming to wok ?
sophia Placebo: bye ara
Lingerer Xaris: I was just reading Tara Brach's Radical Self Acceptance. She brings up the point that we can't trust others to accept us when we don't offer it to ourselves.
Wol Euler nods
Pema Pera: yes
Lingerer Xaris: And so it would seem that to offer devotion to something or someone external, we need to be devoted to ourselves
Hana Furlough: nods emphatically
Lingerer Xaris: so, if devotion is love and surrender, what does it mean to surrender to ourselves?
Mickorod Renard: it reminds me of that odd loop,,the being selfish to love ourself
Pema Pera: and then the question is "who am I" -- to what can I devote myself
Lingerer Xaris: right
Yakuzza Lethecus: i swap over to wok
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye
Storm Nordwind would like to remind WoKers (and all others) that Ways of Knowing starts in the Kira Cafe with Stim Morane in 2 minutes.
sophia Placebo: bye yak
Bertram Jacobus: bye yaku
Hana Furlough: bye yaku~
Lingerer Xaris: bye
Mickorod Renard: ok,,i had better wok off
Pema Pera: :)
Wol Euler: :)
Pema Pera: see you all soon again!
Storm Nordwind: wok on through the wind... etc
sophia Placebo: bye mick pema
Pema Pera: nice to meet you, Lingerer!
Mickorod Renard: he he
Mickorod Renard: bye
Hana Furlough: bye mick~
Bertram Jacobus: bye all leaving avatars ! ... ;-)
Lingerer Xaris: you too pema
Wol Euler: you'll never wok alone?
Storm Nordwind: Bye guys
Hana Furlough: bye pema~
Wol Euler: bye all, take care?
Bertram Jacobus: and now i found the link to the song ... http://www.lastfm.de/music/Santana/_...26%2BSurrender
Hana Furlough: bye storm~
Hana Furlough: bye wol~
Wol Euler: oh no, I'm staying :=)
--BELL--
Storm Nordwind stays with the non-wokers

Those who linger after the outflow to WoK begine to talk about finding a path or paths.

Lingerer Xaris: I'd like to follow up on Pema's question of: Who am I and to what can I devote myself.
Hana Furlough: in that case, hello wol
Lingerer Xaris: I mean, I'd like to know what people think/feel about that
Hana Furlough: i think i can devote myself to being present with what is
Bertram Jacobus: i for me is a only relative construct. and devotion for me can be to the "absolute"
Hana Furlough: to what i feel
Lingerer Xaris: nods
Bertram Jacobus: what do you think and feel about it lingerer please ?
sophia Placebo: im devoted to extract the best of me and express it the best way i can
sophia Placebo: though sounds like mission immposible
Bertram Jacobus: hello fef ... :-)
Wol Euler: hello fefonz
sophia Placebo: hi fef
Wol Euler: .
Lingerer Xaris: i feel lately that it is time to choose a path to devote myself to- not necessary one spriritual path- but to make a stand in the world
Hana Furlough: hi fef
Fefonz Quan: Hi, on my way to Kira :)
Lingerer Xaris: and i have been looking deeply at who i really am- or think i am vs. what i really am
Hana Furlough: how about letting the path choose you, lingerer?
Bertram Jacobus: whaow :-)
Fefonz Quan: Seey'a all
Lingerer Xaris: bye fefonz
sophia Placebo: bye fef
Hana Furlough: bye fef~
Bertram Jacobus: bye fef lol ;o)
Storm Nordwind: How will you know when you have found both yourself and your path lingerer? What are the signs?
Lingerer Xaris: I don't know
Lingerer Xaris: I was wondering, since we are talking about devotion, if other people had grappled with the same question in a worldly sense
Hana Furlough: what question, l?
Lingerer Xaris: sorry- the question of devotion to a cause, path, social stance, etc
Hana Furlough: ahhh i see
Hana Furlough: a commitment?
Storm Nordwind: I think there's nothing wrong with periodic reassessment
Lingerer Xaris: yes, a deep commitment to a possibly lifelong path-- this could also be applied to marriage
Hana Furlough: right....
Storm Nordwind: Even then I STILL think there's nothing wrong with periodic reassessment! ;)
Hana Furlough: the question being, when does commitment become fossilized?
Lingerer Xaris: well put, Hana
Storm Nordwind: When your actions/role/etc no longer feel authentic perhaps
Hana Furlough: must get going
Hana Furlough: have a great day everyone~
Storm Nordwind: Bye for now Hana
Lingerer Xaris: bye hana
Bertram Jacobus: bye hana same same :-)
Wol Euler: bye hana, take care
sophia Placebo: bye hana
sophia Placebo: i must leave as well
Storm Nordwind: Bye sophia
Wol Euler: goodnight sophia, take care
Widget Whiteberry: it was nice to share the time with you
sophia Placebo: bye all
Bertram Jacobus: bye sophia - have a nice time ! ... :-)
Bertram Jacobus: bye widget - ty :-)
Widget Whiteberry: I've a show to set up
Widget Whiteberry: bye!
Storm Nordwind: bfn
Wol Euler: bye! happy showing
Lingerer Xaris: i love stopping in here. will come back soon. thanks for talking/listening, but have to get back to work. :)
Wol Euler smiles
Storm Nordwind: You're most welcome!
Bertram Jacobus: TY lingerer ! :-)
Storm Nordwind: Linger longer next time!
Lingerer Xaris: you all rock!
--BELL--
Wol Euler: /mme chuckles at the alliteration
Bertram Jacobus: <---> to silly to understand that ...
Wol Euler: alliteration is the repeating of a letter. Linger Longer
Bertram Jacobus: ah ! thx :-)
Storm Nordwind: Proliferation of alliteration
Wol Euler: indeed.
Storm Nordwind checks the thermometer and bangs the glass. Hmmm... it's still 1°C but the snow has gone...
Bertram Jacobus: SO cold !? ...
Wol Euler: wow
Wol Euler: winter already, lucky you :)
Bertram Jacobus: lucky !?? ;-)
Wol Euler: :)
Storm Nordwind smiles and looks out at the bright Fall colours
Wol Euler: some people like winter...
Bertram Jacobus: i heard about that, yes ...
Storm Nordwind likes LIGHT, including reflected from snow!
Wol Euler nods

Bertram makes a casual observation, and I recall how a phrase that was often said in both Hippy and Newage days.

Bertram Jacobus: love and light - amazing phenomenons
Storm Nordwind: Now I wonder how those two are interlinked (?)
Bertram Jacobus: links from the for example so called "absolute" with the also so called "relative" (?) ...
Storm Nordwind: Please explain further Bert
Bertram Jacobus: both appear in the relative ... and both may be very direct expressions of "that other sphere"
Bertram Jacobus: because love seems to be more then relative, nearly not to get caught, not fully at all ... and light ... may be similar. both also so healing (!) ...
Storm Nordwind: But if that is true, wouldn't it also be true of many other things as well as love and light?
Bertram Jacobus: sure. therefor i wrote "very direct expressions" - the other ones may be more indirect, less subtile
Storm Nordwind: What about rather forceful 'negative' phenomena? Or is there no such thing?
Bertram Jacobus: interesting ... like to think about that ...
Bertram Jacobus: for a while ? for a moment ? ... :-)
Storm Nordwind: Till next week maybe? :)
Wol Euler: I thknk they do exist. some people project negative energy.
Bertram Jacobus: lol. as written. yes. don´t know :o)
Storm Nordwind: What is it that makes it negative as such Wol?
Storm Nordwind resists the reflex to write '-ve'
Bertram Jacobus: the motivation ?
Wol Euler ponders. I was about to say "that's obvious" but your subtly disguised koan made me pause
Storm Nordwind smiles
--BELL--
Wol Euler: when I think of the person I had in mind, the negativity is in her way of closing off conversation.
Bertram Jacobus: may be the difference between light and "bad energy" has to do with motivation ...
Storm Nordwind: Closing off conversation is sometimes simply a way of self-protection. Or perhaps you know the real intention?
Wol Euler: again, I'm not sure. I know what I believe to be the cause, but I also believe that this cause is invisble to her.
Wol Euler: it
Wol Euler: selfprotection comes close. It's a way of shifting blame and denying discussion
Storm Nordwind: Sure.
Storm Nordwind wishes for a vision to see what's normally invisible to him!
Wol Euler smiles
Wol Euler remembers Robbie Burns...
Wol Euler: *Rabbie
Storm Nordwind: No please don't Wol. Self-torture is not required here!
Wol Euler: :)
Wol Euler: .
Storm Nordwind rates Mr. Burns in Division III of the poetry hall of fame
Bertram Jacobus: i only know montgomery burns ... (and even not know wheather i wrote that correctly?) ...
Wol Euler agrees with your assessment, and nods to bertram. Quite right.

Wol's reference was, by the way, to Burns's 'poem' To a louse, which has the lines: "O wad some Power the giftie gie us / To see oursels as ithers see us". Meanwhile, our chat drifts into light banter till the end...

Bertram Jacobus: ty :-)
Bertram Jacobus: but ... "quite" ?
Wol Euler: Burns is the poetic equivalent of a one-hit-wonder in pop music.
Storm Nordwind: "Quite' in this context = 'absolutely'
Wol Euler: a Britishism :)
Bertram Jacobus: uh. i try to learn here ... a lot ...
Storm Nordwind: Quite so! ;)
Wol Euler laughs
Bertram Jacobus: hehe . ty again ! ... :-)
Storm Nordwind: You're quite welcome
Bertram Jacobus: tzzzz :o))
Bertram Jacobus: and do you know montgomery b. ?
Storm Nordwind: If one sets fire to him, I expect so!
Wol Euler: boom boom!
Bertram Jacobus: ehm - not sure ... from "the simpsons" ? ... :o)
Storm Nordwind waves to Eos
Bertram Jacobus: hello eos ! ... :-)
Wol Euler: hello eos
Eos Amaterasu wave to Wol, Storm, Bert
Storm Nordwind: Ah yes, I dimly remember Bert. The owner of the nuclear plant, yes?
Bertram Jacobus: yeahh ! :-))
Wol Euler: yep; and his devoted ... assistant .. smithers
Bertram Jacobus: lol yess :-)
Eos Amaterasu rubs his hands
Storm Nordwind watches the snow fall again
Wol Euler smiles
Bertram Jacobus: starts his fan heater ...
Eos Amaterasu has his jacket on (3 cords of wood not due till the 19th)
Eos Amaterasu wonders why he's levitating
Bertram Jacobus: perfect symmetry now ... :-)
Storm Nordwind: 3 chords are all you need for the blues
Eos Amaterasu: 3 chords make for hot music
Bertram Jacobus: e a h for example
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Storm Nordwind: Ah... there speaks a German!
Bertram Jacobus: oh. how is it expressed in english ?
Storm Nordwind: E A B
Bertram Jacobus: ah. i see :-)
Storm Nordwind: Where your B is our Bflat

I err.

Wol Euler: mmm, I hate to disagree but I do.
Storm Nordwind: Is that the wrong way round?
Wol Euler: surely H is an octave above A?

We're both wrong, about different things!

Storm Nordwind: There is no H in normal western music, English notation
Bertram Jacobus: no. h is two half tones above a
Wol Euler: mmmm, true, I forgot.
Wol Euler: O.O
Bertram Jacobus: lol
Storm Nordwind: This is why you had to speak German to make a tune out of BACH
Wol Euler: what's the difference between B and H then?
Wol Euler: is B not also a whole tone above A?
Bertram Jacobus: octave always is from a to afor example. or from b to b ... and etc. - or is here something wrong ?
Bertram Jacobus: i´m thinking ... are h and b equivalents ? ...
--BELL--
Bertram Jacobus: hello tara ... :-)
Tara Farmer: Hey all
Wol Euler: hello tara
Tara Farmer: stormy :)
Bertram Jacobus: and yes : wiki says h and b are equivalents, used only in different countries ...
Eos Amaterasu: HI TAra
Wol Euler: ah :)
Storm Nordwind: Hi Tara!!
Tara Farmer: bout time ;)
Tara Farmer: never been to this swank pavillion before
Storm Nordwind: Wow - that long? It's been here for over a year
Tara Farmer: yeah well it's been a while
Storm Nordwind: You are dressed for Halloween already? :)
Tara Farmer: yes, i love halloween
Tara Farmer: but i'm also a pagan, if you remember
Tara Farmer: it's like dressing like myself
Tara Farmer: :)
Storm Nordwind: Ah yes... I used to be Heathen, and it was nice to dress like a drunkard :)
Tara Farmer: ah ha
Tara Farmer: so, how's life guys?
Wol Euler: tiring.
Storm Nordwind: Life is good, for me at least. I'm no longer in Scotland. I'm married and living in the US. And Play as Being continues to be strong
Tara Farmer: where?
Tara Farmer: i didn't know you were scottish
Storm Nordwind: That's because I'm not
Tara Farmer: oh
Tara Farmer: well that explains it
Storm Nordwind: I'm looking out on a Colorado landscape as I type
Tara Farmer: cool, i was there last winter
Storm Nordwind: Please excuse me all. I've been here 2 hours and I must go pick up my wife in a short while :)
Bertram Jacobus: okay storm. have a great time ! :-)
Wol Euler loooks at the clock.
Wol Euler: bye storm, take care.
Eos Amaterasu: I live in New Scotland, where it feels good to keep my bottom, from where to look out....
Wol Euler: drive slowly
Tara Farmer: nice to see you storm
Storm Nordwind: Please call in again Tara!
Eos Amaterasu: But also time for dinner/supper here
Tara Farmer: and to meet you all
Bertram Jacobus: i was thinking about leving too ... ;-)
Wol Euler: I should go too, it's coming up to midnight.
Bertram Jacobus: leaving
Storm Nordwind: Namaste
Wol Euler: goodnight all
Bertram Jacobus: yes. namaste
Eos Amaterasu: Nice to meet you Tara, and bye Wol, Bertram, STorm
Bertram Jacobus: same same all. ty ! :-)