2009.10.11 07:00 - Yes, With All the Right Intentions

The Guardian for this meeting was Adams Rubble. The comments are by Adams Rubble.

I get to meet Widget, our newest guardian

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Widget! :)
Widget Whiteberry: good morning
Adams Rubble: Hello Eliza and Widget
Eliza Madrigal: Hello Adams :)
Adams Rubble: Nice to meet you Widgget and welcome to our gaurdian group
Widget Whiteberry: thank you!
Eliza Madrigal: Yes, Warm welcome!!
Widget Whiteberry: I hope to contribute
Adams Rubble: :)
Eliza Madrigal: I enjoyed hearing your thoughts on being playing at the last session we were in together
Widget Whiteberry: ty, it is an opening for me to expand my ways of relating to myself and the world(s) around me
Adams Rubble: I have found it a good place to do that
Widget Whiteberry: being easier on myself
Eliza Madrigal: Ohhh yes, we're really rough with ourselves sometimes aren't we
Widget Whiteberry: Oh yes. How does it go for you, Adams?
Adams Rubble: that is a noble goal
Widget Whiteberry: Noble? How?
Adams Rubble: I learn more and more about myself all the time :)
--BELL--
Adams Rubble: Noble goal to expand orselves and the understanding of the world around us at the same time being easy on ourselves. It would be a better world if everyone did it
Adams Rubble: :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Widget Whiteberry: oh, I like that
Widget Whiteberry: being hard on myself is a lifetime's habit and doesn't result in much improvement
Adams Rubble nods
Adams Rubble: only makes us suffer more
Eliza Madrigal: Ohhh true. It isn't as though it makes us more efficient in the long run, right?
Adams Rubble: Hello Qt
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Qt :)
Qt Core: hi all
Widget Whiteberry: agreed, Eliza. Being hard on myself is not effective, absorbs my energies
Widget Whiteberry: good morning Qt
Adams Rubble nods
Adams Rubble: Hello Yak
Eliza Madrigal: There's a story about exhausting all one's efforts to try to shoot an arrow through the moon... something to that effect :)
Widget Whiteberry pats her knee for Yak
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Yakuzza :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
Qt Core: hi Yak
Adams Rubble: we can just drop the being hard on ourselves :)
Adams Rubble: so easy and so hard :)
Widget Whiteberry looks for the 'detach' command
Eliza Madrigal: heheh
Adams Rubble: learn to accept ourselves
Adams Rubble: have you tired the 9 seconds yet Widgget?
Adams Rubble: tried
Widget Whiteberry: in rl? yes
Widget Whiteberry: from time to time
Adams Rubble: :)
Adams Rubble: Hello Sophia

Devil's Snare

Eliza Madrigal: There's a string in the harry potter movies I've liked... which is something called "devil's snare".... it is a plant like something which holds onto one.... the only way to get through it is to completely relax because it tightens as you struggle...
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Sophia! :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey sophia
Eliza Madrigal: *book rather... not sure if it made it to the films
Adams Rubble: Nice analogy Eliza :)
Qt Core: yes it did
Eliza Madrigal: Ah :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: just sat down and have to go afk for a min :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Qt Core: and when sunlight (truth's light ?) hit it it dies
Eliza Madrigal: yes!
Adams Rubble: :)
Eliza Madrigal: JK Rowling is brilliant with those pictures
Adams Rubble has a few of those plants hanging from her (giggles)
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Widget Whiteberry: pesky things, those snares
Qt Core: mmm, another excuse to reread her books, searching for deeper symbolism ;-)
Eliza Madrigal: I watched a show about the LoTR yesterday... hadn't known that Tolkien had been raised by a Catholic priest for part of his life
Widget Whiteberry: what Order of priest?
Eliza Madrigal: You know, the show unfortunately wasn't that deep....
Widget Whiteberry: that would be interesting to know
Qt Core: seeing his believes about the great fight between good and evil i thing gesuits ;-)
Eliza Madrigal: but I thought it was interesting that this informed his symbology, etc
Widget Whiteberry nods
Adams Rubble: Hello Pema
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Pema :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hi pema
Pema Pera: Hi everybody!
Widget Whiteberry: good morning
Qt Core: hi pema
SophiaSharon Larnia: HI Pema
Adams Rubble: Eliza brought up a plant in Harry Potter that latches on to you...
Adams Rubble: and the more you struggle the more it holds on
Adams Rubble: relaxing and sunlight are the cures
Adams Rubble: and we have been thinking about that
Pema Pera: sounds familiar!
Adams Rubble: :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Widget Whiteberry: when I imagine that plant, I think about
--BELL--
Widget Whiteberry: how putting energy into a disfunctional system/dynamic can feed it. Like the allegory of feeding the wolf.
Widget Whiteberry: or feeding trolls or trollishness
Adams Rubble nods
SophiaSharon Larnia: fall into repeating patterns

Pema reminds us that sometimes we put our energy in the wrong direction with the best of intentions

Pema Pera: yes, with all the right intentions . . . .
Eliza Madrigal: hmm
SophiaSharon Larnia: why so important to drop
Eliza Madrigal: In the devil's snare picture, maybe one is trying to drop the snare, but you can't... you have to let go and it drops you.... in a way
Pema Pera: or to drop yourself . . .
Eliza Madrigal nods
Qt Core: like when you insist in not thinking
Pema Pera: :)
Eliza Madrigal: yes we can certainly get tangled in our thoughts :)
Qt Core: thinking not to think make you unable to not to think... remindi me about quantum phisics and the disturbance the observer pose to the sistem ;-)
Eliza Madrigal nods
Pema Pera: relaxing, accepting, appreciating . . . but staying fully engaged -- hard to put it into a formula or method, but something we all can practice
Pema Pera: they key seems to be mostly to remind yourself to do it
Pema Pera: each time when you remember, you know it again, AHA -- and then you forget again
Adams Rubble: :)
Widget Whiteberry: hmm, for me it helps to get my heart rate up - exercise and sleep seem necessary
Pema Pera: no silver bullet -- only silver buckshot
Widget Whiteberry: lol
Adams Rubble: hehe
Adams Rubble counts the holes
Pema Pera: yes, we tend to sleep too little . . . we're too busy -- creativity needs lots of rest
Adams Rubble: Helo Steve
Pema Pera: hi Steve!
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Stevenaia
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Steve :)
Qt Core: hi steve
Adams Rubble: Yes, I understand the needing mroe sleep :)
Adams Rubble: :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: maybe thats why i have been so uncreative lately :)
Pema Pera: biologically, before electric light was invented, and more so even before any kind of fire was used, we had little choice but to sleep at least ten hours a night, on average
--BELL--
Widget Whiteberry: and to sleep before midnight

Sleeping for Creativity

Pema Pera: so we're not pushing the limit of what is doable, in terms of lack of sleep, but it is probably far from optimal . . . I have learned to give myself at least eight hours of staying in bed, even though I can function quite well with only six hours, almost indefinitely. With eight hours I tend to wake up for a while in the middle of the night, and often that then turns out to be a very creative time
Adams Rubble: nice to make it a creative time :)
Widget Whiteberry: when I go to sleep before midnight, I'm more likely to waken with an idea
SophiaSharon Larnia: i did wake up with the solution to a problem the other day, it was awesome
Eliza Madrigal: yes? Something you can share?
SophiaSharon Larnia: its kind of silly :) a friend is taking a class in nursing informatics and asked for ideas for a paper she's writing, and a program, it came to me almost full when i woke up
Adams Rubble: :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: it was what she was looking for
Eliza Madrigal: Oh Fantastic!
Widget Whiteberry: I love it when that happens
Eliza Madrigal nods.... and a nice friend to be working on that for her... :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: its hard to explain what i mean abot a program if you dont have to do electronic charting but it has to be simple but complete
Widget Whiteberry: a good example of putting energy into a system
Eliza Madrigal: I have a friend who calls that "holding someone's hand in the dark"...
SophiaSharon Larnia: i woke up with a picture in my mind, not so much the thoughts, pictures of computer screen with everything in place
SophiaSharon Larnia: screens*
Widget Whiteberry: wonderful!
Eliza Madrigal: oh wow :)
Pema Pera: that's great, Sophia!
SophiaSharon Larnia: but knew where all the links led to... i usually fall asleep with the 9 second idea in mind, so i wonder if that had anything to do with it :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: brb
Adams Rubble: I find the exercises defintieyly bring things on
Eliza Madrigal: we can certainly put ourselves in a relaxing mindset which aids creativity even in sleep
Pema Pera: yes, it is hard to trace what causes what, but the 9 sec does seem to help in general to open up our creativity
Adams Rubble: the nine seconds has helped me sort out what is important sometimes
Adams Rubble: just stopping to look at what we are doing seems to do that
Adams Rubble: "why am I doing that silly thing?"
Adams Rubble giggles
Eliza Madrigal nods... and why we are doing it

The First Guardian meeting in many months, see http://playasbeing.wik.is/<wbr/>Chat_Logs/2009/10/2009.10.11_<wbr/>08%3a00_-_A_New_Start_for_<wbr/>Weekly_Guardian_Meetings

Adams Rubble: It is almost time for the next meeting
Adams Rubble: time
SophiaSharon Larnia grins
Eliza Madrigal: yay :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: I almost forgot
--BELL--
Adams Rubble: It has been a long time since I was able to say that :)
Pema Pera: yes, off to the Village Hall! http://slurl.com/secondlife/Baikun/131/6/103
SophiaSharon Larnia: phew
SophiaSharon Larnia: it is on the other end of bieup?
Eliza Madrigal: yes...pema just posted a LM
Widget Whiteberry: when is the meeting at the village hall?
Widget Whiteberry: now?
Eliza Madrigal: Right now :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: now! :)