2009.10.26 13:00 - Where Do You Start From?

The Guardian for this meeting was Pema Pera. The comments are by Pema Pera.

Pema Pera: Hi Scathach!
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Pema
Pema Pera: Is there a topic you'd like to talk about today?
Scathach Rhiadra: no, not anything in particular:)
Pema Pera: and btw Stim will not be coming in today -- he and I are in Princeton both in RL and today we have many unexpected encounters, all interesting, but leaving him with too little time left to join us
Pema Pera: So I'll play Stim for this afternoon :)
Scathach Rhiadra: :)
Scathach Rhiadra: you don't look a bit like him:)
Pema Pera: hehehe
Pema Pera: don't act like him either
Pema Pera: that makes it so interesting when we talk about topics we deeply agree upon, since we express them so differently

Scathach Rhiadra: so when is the retreat in Princeton, next week?
Pema Pera: yes, at the end of next week
Pema Pera: wanna come over :?
Scathach Rhiadra: no, not a chance:)
Pema Pera: perhaps we could have a mixed RL/SL event, for an hour each day . . .
Pema Pera: if enough people bring laptops
Pema Pera: (hard to set up the software on desktops, too much of a hassle)
Scathach Rhiadra: mm, could be possible
Scathach Rhiadra: but a lot of work, would cut into your sessions
Pema Pera: we could pick the 1 pm times
Pema Pera: well, to install SL of desktops, we can't do it ourselves, would have to ask the systems people to do it
Pema Pera: and get the right computers in the right room, etc
Scathach Rhiadra: you could spend so much time woth the tech issues, no time left for your retreat!
Pema Pera: and some people are used to Macs, some to PCs
Pema Pera: yes, exactly
Pema Pera: I'll send out a note, inviting folks to bring their laptop
Pema Pera: we do have wireless connections, so that part will work
Scathach Rhiadra: :)

Pema Pera: One theme that I have seen coming back in many discussions lately is the question of where do you start from
Pema Pera: so often it happens that we start from a number of tacit assumptions, and from that position we try to find something that is already excluded by those very assumptions
Scathach Rhiadra: well, it all depends where you are when you start:)
Pema Pera: or where you think you are
Pema Pera: how you view yourself, yes
Pema Pera: when you identify yourself with a limited body and mind, and are really convinced that that is what you really are, and then you go off trying to find some kind of enlightenment, or you try to help others in some way, you're likely to get stuck
Pema Pera: and when you really believe that we are living in a linear past-present-future time, and that that is all there is, you get stuck too
Pema Pera: hi Bolo!
Pema Pera: Thanks for a great session this morning!
Bolonath Crystal: namaste :)
Scathach Rhiadra: but is that not assuming that people who may be already engaged in some practice are automatically stuck?
Pema Pera: not automatically
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Bolo, nice to meet you:0
Pema Pera: you can wear a shirt and you can glue it to your skin
Pema Pera: I prefer to wear a shirt -- it may look the same from the outside but it feels quite differently
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Pila:0
Pila Mulligan: hi Bolonath, Pema and Scathach
Pema Pera: Hi Pila!
Bolonath Crystal: nice to meet you, too, scathach :) namaste pila
Pila Mulligan: Stim is missing :)
Pema Pera: if you take your current worldview as one hypothesis, and a wider view as another,
Pema Pera: then you don't have to believe or disbelieve either
Scathach Rhiadra: he has switched avs with Pema maybe:)
Pema Pera: but you can explore both, without getting stuck in any one
Pila Mulligan: :)
Pema Pera: yeah, Stim and I switched roles for today
Pema Pera: he was getting too busy
Pema Pera: (we're both in Princeton)
--BELL--

Pema Pera: Pila and Bolo, we were talking about what your starting points are in a spiritual explorations, and what difference that makes
Pema Pera: if you start with an idea, it may be ungrounded
Pema Pera: but if you start with where you think you are, you may get stuck quickly
Pema Pera: :)
Pila Mulligan: it would be interesting to have a survey of where people think they are in starting spiritual journeys
Pema Pera: yes, and to what extent we can express that; most of it may be tacit assumptions . . .
Pila Mulligan: or curiosity
Pila Mulligan: i Sophia
Pema Pera: hi Sophia!
Pila Mulligan: hi*
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello sophia:)
Pila Mulligan: :)
Bolonath Crystal: namaste sophia
sophia Placebo: hi all :)
Pema Pera: that was a cheerful way of entering, Sophia :)
sophia Placebo: lol
Pema Pera: dancing your way to your cushion
Scathach Rhiadra: :)
sophia Placebo: (i was pressing the wrong keyborad keys)
Pema Pera: more fun that way, perhaps they were the right ones!
sophia Placebo: :)
Pema Pera: we were talking about assumptions we carry with us in our practice, in our explorations -- hi Qt!
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Qt:)
Qt Core: Hi all!
sophia Placebo: hi Qt
Pila Mulligan: hi Qt

Bolonath Crystal: i still try to remember at which point i started my spiritual journey
Bolonath Crystal: namaste qt
Scathach Rhiadra was just thinking the same thing Boko:)
Scathach Rhiadra: Bolo*
Pema Pera: yes, Bolo?
Pema Pera: (btw, I'm the stand-in for Stim this afternoon)
Bolonath Crystal: as far as i remember that was a quite wordly desire, in the beginning
Bolonath Crystal: i was trying to gain control over body energy
Bolonath Crystal: during that time i was doing martial arts
Pila Mulligan: :)
Bolonath Crystal: i started to meditate. some of the insights must have let me on another path then
Bolonath Crystal: btu i can't really tell, when and what it was
Bolonath Crystal: but*

Pema Pera: What was your starting point, Scathach?
Scathach Rhiadra: difficult to say....
Scathach Rhiadra: I admit I had a relatively unusual family background, particularly for ireland...
Scathach Rhiadra: But I do remember things like becoming vegetarian when I was 9 yrs old
Pila Mulligan: :)
Scathach Rhiadra: and having a very conviction that belief in anything was not good enough, there was a knowing or knowledge , always seemed to be there
Scathach Rhiadra: very strong*
--BELL--
Pema Pera: Hi Zon, good to see you again!
Zon Quar: heya
Pila Mulligan: hi Zon
sophia Placebo: hi zon
Bolonath Crystal: namaste zon
Qt Core: hi Zon
Scathach Rhiadra: my family had a connection to India, so there were no real obstacles to my explorations from a young age
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Zon:)
Scathach Rhiadra: can't really remember a starting point:)
Pema Pera: :)
Zon Quar: what is teh subject ?
Bolonath Crystal: probably you started a few lives ago, scathach :)
Pema Pera: (we've talked about unacknowledged assumptions and starting points for explorations, Zon)
Zon Quar: nods
Scathach Rhiadra: :) could be, I sometimes feel that old:)
Pema Pera: typically we start with a particular idea of an aim or goal, and then we refine our understanding of what that aim or goal could be, more and more radically -- in the end it may not resemble at all what we started out for, as Bolo indicated
Pema Pera: and at the same time we can also start with a very sharp intuition, without knowing where that came from or what it meant . . .
Scathach Rhiadra: a strange thing...
Scathach Rhiadra: I can remember when I was only two or three years old, we hgot a black & white TV set...
Scathach Rhiadra: and one of the first things we saw was a BBC report of the Dalai Lama arriving in India after his escape
Scathach Rhiadra: I can still see that in my mind, or maybe I only think I can, who knows:)
Pila Mulligan: no doubt you can
Pema Pera: that's an amazing early memory, Scathach!
Scathach Rhiadra: one of the few I have from then, don't really remember my childhood much
Scathach Rhiadra: anyway, does anyone else want to say how they started..
Zon Quar: started waht ?
Pila Mulligan: hi Storm
sophia Placebo: Hi Storm
Pema Pera: hi Storm!
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Storm:)
Storm Nordwind: Hi! Workshop finished early :)
Bolonath Crystal: namaste storm
Qt Core: hi Storm
Storm Nordwind: Namaste
Zon Quar: hi Storm

sophia Placebo: well i was born in religoius family
sophia Placebo: may grandpa tought us alot about earth and bound us to it , my grandma tought us the old myths
--BELL--
sophia Placebo: the political uneasness that may affect you or a relative may make you aware about others and ask : why they do that ?
Bolonath Crystal: what myths are you talking about, sophia?
sophia Placebo: the oil and shifting from farmer sciety to doctors and professions bring new habits and alot of changes that even affect the religion or religion related traditions
sophia Placebo: all that brought the questions faster , what why who where and when
sophia Placebo: though the one that rise the dout was the quran
sophia Placebo: in it : the old unbelivers said to the prophets that their messegaes was of ancients and myths
sophia Placebo: and also in it : one must not follow what their paretnst belive , he must make his own
sophia Placebo: so i begin to ask what my parebts where wrong but they thought they were right
sophia Placebo: parents*
sophia Placebo: * local myths bolo , mix btw sumerrian assyrian etc etc
Bolonath Crystal: oic. ty
sophia Placebo: so that was the start , if it may be called a start
Pema Pera: did your parents enjoy your questions, Sophia?
sophia Placebo: i didnt share them
sophia Placebo: not all of them but questions are discussed usually
Pila Mulligan: ... and you could tell they thought they were right :)
Scathach Rhiadra nods
sophia Placebo: some questions were just ill formed at that time
Bolonath Crystal: well, most of my questions were, and probably still are
sophia Placebo: not really pila , mother used to say i dont know everything :) and father used to say well you may be right but keep in mind you might be wrong
Storm Nordwind recalls a female Muslim Malaysian colleage in Kuala Lumpur whose husband said she should not be asked such questions. So she quiet in the family and instead asked me at work.
Storm Nordwind: *should not ask
Pila Mulligan: :)
sophia Placebo: some questions put poeple at unease
sophia Placebo: they dont want to hear them
Storm Nordwind: Perhaps they fear how they would have to reevaluate their life if they started to find answers for them
sophia Placebo: specially when knowladge isnt that good
sophia Placebo: maybe , maybe it is just their own questions that they supress
Bolonath Crystal: in every culture there are some assumptions which are not to be questioned
Storm Nordwind nods to both sophia and Bolo
sophia Placebo: ( i just have feeling that there is some assumptions that muslims are rigid stony mind poepel )
Pila Mulligan: your parents sound far less like that than mine did :)
Storm Nordwind: Or some of the people I've seen in the US media since moving here!
--BELL--
Pila Mulligan: the media can be the voice of entropy
Storm Nordwind looks on Google for "the voice of entropy" and gets zero hits. A nice coining Pila!
Scathach Rhiadra: :)
Pila Mulligan: (c)
Storm Nordwind chuckles

Pila Mulligan: I remember my journey's first day, it was in the spring of 1973 (age 27) ... a friend showed me the I Ching and it captured my interest and never let go ... the rest fell in place thereafter (starting daily meditation in '74 & tai chi in '75)
Storm Nordwind: For me it was June of the same year. And also the I Ching
Pila Mulligan: :) cool
Pema Pera: Hi Yakuzza!
Pila Mulligan: hi Yak
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
Bolonath Crystal: namaste yak
Pema Pera: welcome to American summer time :)
Qt Core: hi yak
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Yakuzza
Yakuzza Lethecus: yeah, i knew but didn´t fit in my schedule

Pema Pera: It started for me in 1970 with some form of yoga and hindu meditation, and then zen the next year
Bolonath Crystal: so many different paths gathering here :) i like that
Scathach Rhiadra: :)
Pema Pera: see you all soon again, have to get back to RL
Pila Mulligan: bye Pema
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye
Bolonath Crystal: bye pema
Scathach Rhiadra: bye Pema:)
Pema Pera: thank you all for sharing so many histories!
Qt Core: bye pema
Scathach Rhiadra: I must be off too, Namaste all:)
Pila Mulligan: bye Scath
Bolonath Crystal: bye scathach
Qt Core: bye scath
Storm Nordwind slips out quietly. Bye everyone
Pila Mulligan: bye Storm
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye storm
Bolonath Crystal: bye storm
Qt Core: bye storm
Yakuzza Lethecus: ok bye everyone :)
Bolonath Crystal: bye everybody :) om shanti
Pila Mulligan: bye Bolonath
Qt Core: bye bolo
PhilNS Schumann: hello there :-)
Pila Mulligan: hi Phil
Pila Mulligan: nice to see you again
PhilNS Schumann: and you Pila
Qt Core: hi Phil
Pila Mulligan: the sessison just ended a moment ago
Pila Mulligan: quite a few people were here talking baout how their contemplative practices began
PhilNS Schumann: eh.. I'm usually late .. I already know
Qt Core: i'm still asking myself if i've ever started
Pila Mulligan: :)
--BELL--
PhilNS Schumann: suppose that asking oneself .. is a good sign about a start took place :-)
Qt Core: hi bert
Pila Mulligan: hi Bertram
Bertram Jacobus: hello qt, pila and phins :-)
Bertram Jacobus: how are you today ? :-)
Qt Core: quite good
Qt Core: how many europeans sl still being in dst got ?
Qt Core: ;-)
Bertram Jacobus: dst ? what is that, please ?
Qt Core: daylight saving time
Pila Mulligan: Hawaii never chnages the clock -- easier
PhilNS Schumann: hahah well in Italy we changed last saturday .. and it's been wonderful
Bertram Jacobus: oh. you mean how many people are with wrong time ? ;-)
Qt Core: but no fun ;-)
PhilNS Schumann: love the lights in the morning
Qt Core: yeah, especially as i forgot that my alarm would change automagically
Bertram Jacobus: yes pila. many people don´t like that change two times a year ...
Pila Mulligan: smart clock
Pila Mulligan: it sure makes it simpler bet
Pila Mulligan: Bert*
Qt Core: so it went back 2 hours
Pila Mulligan: :)
Pila Mulligan: yours plus its :)
Bertram Jacobus: simpler !?
Pila Mulligan: not chanigng the clock time
Pila Mulligan: = simpler
Bertram Jacobus: what makes what simpler please ?
Bertram Jacobus: ah
Bertram Jacobus: now i got it
Pila Mulligan: the absence of the changing part, there is a continuity year round
Qt Core: i'd like to be, sometime in an airport/station at the moment of the change to see what will happen really to the clocks
PhilNS Schumann: ok, me neither .. don't like changing clock times...
Pila Mulligan: :)
Bertram Jacobus: it came in here already via thought transmission i guess. ty :o)
Pila Mulligan: :)
Pila Mulligan: Phil you and Qt are both in Italy
Bertram Jacobus: yes
PhilNS Schumann: eh .. what part of the boot are you then Qt ?
Qt Core: just outside Milan
Pila Mulligan: :)
PhilNS Schumann: lol
Pila Mulligan: nieghbors
PhilNS Schumann: you're my neighbour then probably --laughs--
PhilNS Schumann: let me check if the light next to my flat are on
Bertram Jacobus: hehe :-)
PhilNS Schumann: hehe .. no you're not my neighbour ... laughs... I'm NE Milan
Qt Core: N
PhilNS Schumann: anyway .. I'd prefer no time changing .. and living in Hawaii I suppose
Pila Mulligan: :)
Pila Mulligan: do all European countries change the same?
PhilNS Schumann: mostly I suppose .. it would rather weird otherwise
Qt Core: mostly, i think france stopped changing a couple years ago, but not sure
Bertram Jacobus: i´m not sure ... may be the uk don´t change for example. but the countries which change do it common ...
Pila Mulligan: I think Hawaii is the only US State that does not change
PhilNS Schumann: nah .. can't be .. that would mean we get into a time difference just driving 3 hours
Qt Core: they say we have saved some 90 million euros this year
Pila Mulligan: on lighting costs?
Bertram Jacobus: and some say the change would cost as much as is saved ... ;-)
Qt Core: yes, i suppose
PhilNS Schumann: hahaha Bert
PhilNS Schumann: can easily be so
Bertram Jacobus: as so often : we don´t really know ...
PhilNS Schumann: of course... evaluating what is around us is as usual a matter of point of view
Pila Mulligan: true
Bertram Jacobus: beyond words ...
PhilNS Schumann: so probably at the end of the day it doesn't matter what happens around you .. but what standing point of view you yourself decide to look that through
PhilNS Schumann: I still liked time change when I woke up this morning :-)
Bertram Jacobus: for me the word "nevertheless" got a big meaning, an important one ...
--BELL--
PhilNS Schumann: mm why Bert ?
PhilNS Schumann: personally I don't like giving words too much importance .. feel them very limited
Bertram Jacobus: because : nevertheless we can´t be sure, what´s really happening or if anything at all is important or even going on - i choose to try to act ethical (for instance) ...
Bertram Jacobus: ups
Qt Core: i liked even the full dark this evening no more half light
Qt Core: that i find disturbing while driving
PhilNS Schumann: smiles.. missed the silence bell
PhilNS Schumann: Pila ... you know I always wondered if you could think living anywhere in Europe for example ...
Pila Mulligan: I would like to travel there, but not change residence (as far as i know at least)
Pila Mulligan: Hawai` has my soul :)
Qt Core: as a little revenge for the fact that most of us would like to live in Hawaii ?
Pila Mulligan: :)
Pila Mulligan: come visit :)
PhilNS Schumann: no no .. I mean real living.. what about if you got forced to leave those islands then ?
Pila Mulligan: yes, I'd prefer not to go to the US, actually
PhilNS Schumann: hehe . something like that , eys Qt
Pila Mulligan: I came her eto get away form the US :)
Bertram Jacobus: how long are you already there pila ? since when ?
Pila Mulligan: 1985
PhilNS Schumann: probably it's easier being away from US in Hawaii then in UK or even Italy
Qt Core: maybe some of the isles then, Malta, Canaries, greece islands
Pila Mulligan: when Ronald Reagan was President
Bertram Jacobus: nice ... and ... isn´t there big poverty, too ?
Pila Mulligan: there is poverty here, yes
Bertram Jacobus: and how do you cope with that ?
Pila Mulligan: yes, and I like the more advanced European social polices
Pila Mulligan: poverty in the ropics is ont as bad where there is plenty of ood around and the weather is hospitable
Pila Mulligan: tropics*
Qt Core: then you would go to the more cold places ;-)
Pila Mulligan: lots of food rots on the ground here
Bertram Jacobus: yes. that´s a big difference between the ancient world and the us - the social aspects, installations ...
Pila Mulligan: but then cold places would worry me :)
Bertram Jacobus: interesting ...
Pila Mulligan: I have edible plants all around
Pila Mulligan: all year round too
Pila Mulligan: water catchment
PhilNS Schumann: and the ocean
Pila Mulligan: yes
Bertram Jacobus: ofgten mentioned, but never experienced, the difference between living in more warm countries ...
Pila Mulligan: but it is a shame people are homeless anywhere
Bertram Jacobus: and in cold ones
Pila Mulligan: I was just reading about thousands of empty houses in detroit that were foreclosed
Pila Mulligan: where are thos epeople living now?
Bertram Jacobus: ok : in more cold countries i know for sure ;-)
Pila Mulligan: and why not in their old houses
PhilNS Schumann: mm any place has something which could be better
Pila Mulligan: :)
Pila Mulligan: true
PhilNS Schumann: I had the chance to live in a milder weather country .. and Italy of course
Bertram Jacobus: but many very good houses are empty while people live on the street etc.
Pila Mulligan: I suppose milan gets freezing winters?
Pila Mulligan: yes Bert, to me that is very unreaosnable
Qt Core: yes, we got 3C nicghts just days ago
PhilNS Schumann: as much as you can like nice warm weather . the strenght of the fragrances of 4 season changing .. it's worth
Pila Mulligan: cold :)
PhilNS Schumann: hahaha .. well . it's not the level of the coldness
Pila Mulligan: yes, we only have a dry season and a wet season
PhilNS Schumann: it the lenght of the cold period
Bertram Jacobus: it´s the point of bad dispensation pila ...
Qt Core: an abrubt beggining of fall, lost some 15C in a couple days
PhilNS Schumann: mm today was a perfect day for October almost November
Qt Core: yes
Pila Mulligan: sunny?
PhilNS Schumann: wonderfully sunny
PhilNS Schumann: rather 18 degrees celsius
Pila Mulligan: i rememeber hose sunnyautumn days, very nice
Pila Mulligan: those*
Pila Mulligan: brisk
PhilNS Schumann: cold and darkness prevents real outdoor life.. and it lasts way too long in here ...
--BELL--
Bertram Jacobus: yes. even winter days can be very nice when they are sunny ...
Bertram Jacobus: in northern germany (where it is often ciold and rainy) they say "there is no bad wheather, there is only bad clothing) (!) ... ;-)
Pila Mulligan: :(
PhilNS Schumann: hehe point of view.. again Bert, isn't it ?
Bertram Jacobus: whaow. yes phins. really true here :-)
Pila Mulligan: :)
Qt Core: nice idea, with the right socks i can stand almost anything ;-)
PhilNS Schumann: aww I'd prefer to stand fewer things .. but being abe to stay barefoot
Bertram Jacobus: that´s a point qt ! : i need a nice scarf and a nice cap - then it´s okay for me ... :-)
Qt Core: i'm rarely barefoot
PhilNS Schumann: I feel a bit constrained by socks .. and shoes even worse ..
Qt Core: i have cristal clear memory about wearing shorts and mountain socks up to the knee ven in august while a kid ;-)
Bertram Jacobus: :-)
Qt Core: i like my feet warm ;-)
Bertram Jacobus: so one can feel protected. when one has made nice experiences like that in the childhood ...
Bertram Jacobus: "ok" - i´ll leave. thanks for the meeting and may all beings be happy please ! ...
PhilNS Schumann: nods.. and happy for you too
Bertram Jacobus: i am a being , so ... i´m included ! ... ;o)
Qt Core: bye bertram, have fun
Bertram Jacobus: but ty anyway, for sure ! :-)
Bertram Jacobus: bye and u2 :-)
PhilNS Schumann: eh .. you never know.. with all this artificial intelligence around --smiles-- have a good evening Bert
Pila Mulligan: be Bert
PhilNS Schumann: what have you been talking about in previous meeting Pila, Qt ?
Pila Mulligan: it was about how people began contemplative practies
Qt Core: i was silent about contemplative practice ;-)
PhilNS Schumann: :-)
Pila Mulligan: earlier today a German fellow talked about his Hindu practice
Pila Mulligan: that led to the next discussion
Pila Mulligan: how people begin
Pila Mulligan: actually, I have a desk full of files looking at me asking tobe organized :)
PhilNS Schumann: is there really a very moment one somebody can tell.. "ok..this is the start " ?
Pila Mulligan: so I better contemplate them for a while
Pila Mulligan: probably not Phil
Pila Mulligan: usually people drift into it
Pila Mulligan: it seems
PhilNS Schumann: think so too
Pila Mulligan: I had a certain moment when I began my present pracice
PhilNS Schumann: as you might be drifting into book shelfing soon I suppose :-)
Pila Mulligan: but I had been doing odd things like matrial arts before then
PhilNS Schumann: hahaha .. why odd ?
Pila Mulligan: well, odd in the sense of not a regular practice -- like odds and ends
Pila Mulligan: not unusual :)
PhilNS Schumann: didn't we agree that it's all about point of views ? --laughs--
Pila Mulligan: yes, my drift needs to be toward RL now:0
PhilNS Schumann: isn't there Zen and art ofBike tending ?
PhilNS Schumann: nods
Pila Mulligan: yep -- Zen gardening -- it can be anyting
PhilNS Schumann: wish you well Pila
Pila Mulligan: thanks
Pila Mulligan: bye for now
PhilNS Schumann: bye
Qt Core: bye
Pila Mulligan: nice to see you Qt and PHil
PhilNS Schumann: so have you been long in SL qt ?
PhilNS Schumann: oh.. and sorry for not speaking in Italian .. we could eventually
PhilNS Schumann: hahaha
Qt Core: ;-)
Qt Core: 11 months
PhilNS Schumann: funny .. I never speak in Italian in here.. not used to meet Italian
--BELL--
Qt Core: i found some italians, going searching for them
Qt Core: but they reminded me about the indian reserve, as they stay in italian sims and enjoy speaking in italian
PhilNS Schumann: eh ... doing the opposite .. trying to avoid them :-) .. Italians are too easy to find in RL .. while it's interesting to use the power of SL to meet people from any place inthe world
PhilNS Schumann: eh you're right
PhilNS Schumann: but I suppose it's also because many Italians cannot speak English
Qt Core: but sometimes i miss the colour of italian, even the how can we say the higher ratio of dirty words, sometimes
PhilNS Schumann: hahaha
PhilNS Schumann: well . you drop into some sims.. and you'll get the high ratio of dirty english words too
Qt Core: this english is so clean and proper ;-)
PhilNS Schumann: well. every place has its purpose ...
PhilNS Schumann: suppose there are for any tastes anyway ...
PhilNS Schumann: don't know.. Italian places are very similar to the place out of the door.. then it's easier to just walk out of the door
Qt Core: with so many millions subscribers it is sure
PhilNS Schumann: mm it's said that subscribers are millions, but real active users are much less
Qt Core: while the campers in other sims doesn't remind me about anything the ones i see in a sim with Milan Duomo square (and surrounding area) remind me so much about stoned people ;-)
PhilNS Schumann: hahahah
PhilNS Schumann: well
PhilNS Schumann: because you suppose that they are there watching the video while they camp
PhilNS Schumann: hope for them they left home and went somewhere meantime
Qt Core: the avs, not the people behind them
PhilNS Schumann: the avis. well those are just pixels after all lol
PhilNS Schumann: but true
PhilNS Schumann: getting into camping places looks like getting into zombies
PhilNS Schumann: well .. time I log off
PhilNS Schumann: ti auguro una buona serata Qt
PhilNS Schumann: bye
Qt Core: buona notte
Qt Core: ciao