2009.10.30 13:00 - A bit about culture.

The Guardian for this meeting was Yakuzza Lethecus. The comments are by Yakuzza Lethecus.

Yakuzza Lethecus: hey sophia
sophia Placebo: hello yak , how are you ?
Yakuzza Lethecus: fine thanks, i hope you too
sophia Placebo: :)ty
Yakuzza Lethecus: hmm, few participants for a friday 1 am session so far
sophia Placebo: hi sophias
Yakuzza Lethecus: hi sophiaS
SophiaSharon Larnia: HI Yakuzza and Sophia :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: is there anything further planned on the islam ?
SophiaSharon Larnia: i love the witch costume Sophia! :))
Yakuzza Lethecus: like the islamic prayer theme session ?
sophia Placebo: thnx sophia :)
sophia Placebo: no yak nothing :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: HI Gaya!
Yakuzza Lethecus: hiya gaya
sophia Placebo: hi gaya , how are you ? :)
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello sophia, SophiaSharon and Yakuzza :)
Gaya Ethaniel: Can't complain thanks, yourself?
SophiaSharon Larnia: sorry have to go afk for a minute :)
Gaya Ethaniel: ok
sophia Placebo: why you do ask yak ?
sophia Placebo: im alive :) ty
Gaya Ethaniel: Can I lower this fountain do you mind?
Gaya Ethaniel: :D
sophia Placebo: sure !
Gaya Ethaniel: ty
Yakuzza Lethecus: right now the theme sessions are only related to practice and buddist traditions so i would be curious if there is something different again :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: im sure something new will come around all the time :)
Gaya Ethaniel: Please feel free to suggest something to add to 'wish list' Yakuzza.
sophia Placebo: hehe gaya
Yakuzza Lethecus: and obviously sophia is the only islamic person around here i know about
Yakuzza Lethecus: everyone else is just from the western cultures and the funny thing i also consider japan and korea as western in some way
Gaya Ethaniel: Yes sophia, I want to know about 'jihad' sometimes if you're ok whether in PaB or outside.
Yakuzza Lethecus: maybe i have to think about my terms :)
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hiya eliza
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Eliza :)
Qt Core: hi all
SophiaSharon Larnia: HI Eliza!
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Qt :)
sophia Placebo: hi Eliza !
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Qt! (snuck in beside me was distracted) :)
sophia Placebo: hi Qt
Eliza Madrigal: Nice to see you all...looking so cute :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey qt
Gaya Ethaniel: Yes, Japan and Korea are heavily influenced by the West esp. US in some ways.
SophiaSharon Larnia: really? I still see the culture as more influenced by the idea of wu wei than the west
Gaya Ethaniel: oh ... forgot about the tag :)
sophia Placebo: well gaya , i dont know , hmm part of it can be in bap part of it cant be here
SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
--BELL--
Gaya Ethaniel: You can talk about what you see as relevant here? I'm sure many of us are interested in Islam.
Eliza Madrigal missed the first part of the discussion...
SophiaSharon Larnia: brb please sorry rl phone
sophia Placebo: whats relevant to pab isnt what you are asking about gaya :)
Gaya Ethaniel: Well Shinto in Japan and Shamanism in Korea are unique though Yakuzza.
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Shyama
Eliza Madrigal: Hm, I never associate Shamanism with Korea
Qt Core: hi Shyama
sophia Placebo: hi shayama
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Shyama!
Gaya Ethaniel: I was interested in the concept of 'struggle'. Normally struggling isn't recommended in Buddhist context yet somewhere it fits in terms of right action & selflessnes?
Shyama Sheryffe: hi:)
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Shyama :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hi shy
Gaya Ethaniel: Well that what I think so far anyway.
SophiaSharon Larnia: can you say more Gaya?
Gaya Ethaniel: hm ... I'd first like to hear more from the expert >.<
SophiaSharon Larnia: this idea is also something ive been 'stuggling' with :)
Gaya Ethaniel: ah ... ok
Eliza Madrigal looks around for experts
SophiaSharon Larnia: giggles
Eliza Madrigal: I wonder if there is place for 'fake it til you make it'... meaning you act as rightly as you can while knowing/making room that a better way that might break through?
sophia Placebo: thats major jihad , -struggling- with self : resisting temporary desires to get more perminant rwards -worldy or heavenly-
Eliza Madrigal: Ohhh, in the context of jihad. Forgive me
Eliza Madrigal listens
SophiaSharon Larnia: i think sometimes if an thought continues to arise it's meant to be addressed in someway
SophiaSharon Larnia: listens
SophiaSharon Larnia: wb yakuzza
Yakuzza Lethecus: sry
Gaya Ethaniel: I think you're right SophiaSharon btw ... otherwise one won't repeat it constantly the same thing.
SophiaSharon Larnia: the same thoughts come to me when i attempt to drop and appreciate
Gaya Ethaniel: We talked about that yesterday ... accepting fully etc. It's not easy.
SophiaSharon Larnia: im so distracted just notice Sophia must have crashed ;9
Eliza Madrigal nods
SophiaSharon Larnia: wb Sophia
Eliza Madrigal: Oh wow, outfit even more dramatic. :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes its great
sophia Placebo: thanks , sorry lost connection
sophia Placebo: thnx eliza
Yakuzza Lethecus: wb
Gaya Ethaniel: During 1 pm session, I feel like a person with hearing problem. I miss a lot out because of lag heheheh
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Qt Core: is this time laggier than others ?
sophia Placebo: :)
Eliza Madrigal: hm, yesterday bolonath said that there were two main points of the type of yoga he practices :Niyama/Yama ...one deals with others and one with self. Is that similar I wonder, sophia?
Yakuzza Lethecus: hi fox
--BELL--
Eliza Madrigal: it is about behaviors mostly... in order to make progress
sophia Placebo: hi fox
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Fox :))
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Fox :)
Fox Monacular: hello everyone
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Fox :)
Qt Core: hi fox
Shyama Sheryffe: hi fox
sophia Placebo: gaya , did i get you right , is that what were you asking about : the self jihad ?
sophia Placebo: Eliza maybe , i dont know about those yoga types , i know about rights : your self right on you ,others rights on you , that would include behavours and ethics and lots of law regulations
SophiaSharon Larnia: i would be very interested to hear more about that Sophia
sophia Placebo: the jihad sophia ?
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
Gaya Ethaniel nods.
sophia Placebo: what is intersting about that ?
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Johny :)
Johny Weissberg: hi all
Yakuzza Lethecus: hello johny
Yakuzza Lethecus: ur now ?
sophia Placebo: hi johny
Yakuzza Lethecus: new here ?
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Johny :)
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Johny :)
Johny Weissberg: been once i think
Qt Core: hi Johny
Shyama Sheryffe: hi johny
SophiaSharon Larnia: about the idea of struggle, the view of overcoming these struggles
sophia Placebo: hmm , dont we do it daily ?
Gaya Ethaniel nods.
SophiaSharon Larnia: first what the idea of what the struggle is, i believe in this sense it means against the baser side of our natures, i dont mean anything else that has been tagged onto it
SophiaSharon Larnia: oh yes
Gaya Ethaniel: I don't want to become like Gollum.
Eliza Madrigal: :)))
sophia Placebo: hehe gaya
Eliza Madrigal: 'Rules' can be freeing, though it goes against my grain to say such a thing... they can point to a higher point?
sophia Placebo: well true , lord of the ring has something about self desire resistance
sophia Placebo: i understand rules like this : im child who is learning
--BELL--
Gaya Ethaniel: Please say more Eliza?
sophia Placebo: sophia , true ,but our nature isnt static , it reactive to its invironment , my desire , the base one might be innocent but my method to satesfy it might go wrong , like children cuorosity
Eliza Madrigal: I'm thinking of some of the things I've learned this year in the context of Stim's workshop and books/studies... that we try so hard to be 'free' sometimes...
SophiaSharon Larnia: i see what youre saying Sophia
Eliza Madrigal: structure can be a kind of glowing outline that helps us find our way in the dark
Eliza Madrigal: that's vague, I know :) I just see myself following more rules and such than I ever thought I would... rituals, etc
SophiaSharon Larnia: hmmm
Johny Weissberg: depends on how rules r followed
Johny Weissberg: aware or not
sophia Placebo: there is one thing i like too about rules is that it give you more time to rethink your actions , ie give your slower developed brain a chance to have a word
sophia Placebo: slower.more developed*
SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
Gaya Ethaniel ponders ... I will probably think over this ... thanks Eliza :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Shyama Sheryffe: waves to all..
Eliza Madrigal: And true johny, I think about that too
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Shy :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Shyama :)
sophia Placebo: bye shayama
Gaya Ethaniel: Bye Shyama :)
Gaya Ethaniel: So just wondering ... when can we talk about this 'struggle' again?
sophia Placebo: :)
sophia Placebo: maybe a week from now
SophiaSharon Larnia: some definitions may be helpful, on what 'struggle' means
Eliza Madrigal nods... great topic
SophiaSharon Larnia: i can think of many right now, have to clarify what i mean by it (runs to get a pen and paper) :)
Johny Weissberg: suffering ?
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes that definately part of it
sophia Placebo: intented suffering ?
Johny Weissberg: suffering ur way out of suffering..lol
SophiaSharon Larnia: intended? of self imposed?
Gaya Ethaniel: I have to leave soon ... shall I email [group] and see what next?
Johny Weissberg: until u give up
Johny Weissberg: suffering
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: thats like pushing until youre exhausted Johny :)
sophia Placebo: sure gaya
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Johny Weissberg: yes
SophiaSharon Larnia: may bot be that helpfu;
SophiaSharon Larnia: not*
Gaya Ethaniel nods.
sophia Placebo: i'll try to read about this
SophiaSharon Larnia: been there done that doesnt work lol
SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
Eliza Madrigal: heh
SophiaSharon Larnia: (ok thats just me)
Gaya Ethaniel: Great, so we can set something up via email then. I won't want to miss it.
Eliza Madrigal: not at all :)
Gaya Ethaniel: Have a good day/night everyone, thank you :)
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Gaya, nice to see you
sophia Placebo: :) bye gaya !
SophiaSharon Larnia: me either Gaya, great idea!!
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Gaya
Johny Weissberg: bye G
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Johny :)
Johny Weissberg: going too, bye all
sophia Placebo: bye johny
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye johny
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Johny :)
Qt Core: bye johny
SophiaSharon Larnia: I'm off too, take care everyone!!!
Eliza Madrigal: kids are out of school today... computer is demanded :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: hehehe Eliza!
Eliza Madrigal: Bye sophiasharon, qt, yakuzza, sophia :)
sophia Placebo: i should leave too , bye all
SophiaSharon Larnia: have fun
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Sophia
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye everyone :)