2009.10.10 19:00 - A Cool Breeze Blows By

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Pema Pera. The comments are by Pema Pera.

    doug Sosa: hm, can't see myself yet.
    doug Sosa: another beautiful dress.
    doug Sosa: Yours.
    Lingerer Xaris: hey doug
    doug Sosa: now i am here.
    Lingerer Xaris: sorry, had to do something
    doug Sosa: hope it was fruitful.
    doug Sosa: pema:)
    Pema Pera: Hi Doug and Lingerer!
    Lingerer Xaris: hi pema
    Pema Pera: Lingerer, have you been playing with the 9-sec explorations, if I may ask?
    Lingerer Xaris: no, i have not heard of that
    Lingerer Xaris: what are they?
    Pema Pera: on our wiki http://playasbeing.wik.is/ you can find various descriptions
    doug Sosa: :)
    Pema Pera: but the simplest way to describe it is this:
    Pema Pera: we like to spend a few hours, at least, every day
    Pema Pera: while taking 9-sec breaks, every 15 minutes
    Pema Pera: to smell the roses so to speak
    Lingerer Xaris: oh yes, hana once mentioned that to me
    Pema Pera: in total that takes only a couple minutes, about the time it takes to brush your teeth
    Pema Pera: and interestingly many people have told us that it really did change their life to some extent
    doug Sosa: and even done a few times creates lots of interesting experienes to talk about.
    Pema Pera: Hi Steve!
    Lingerer Xaris: hi steve
    Pema Pera: yes
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello
    stevenaia Michinaga: pls continue, did not mean to interrupt
    Pema Pera: in contrast to more traditinal forms of meditation or contemplation, we trade in duration for frequency
    Lingerer Xaris: :)
    Pema Pera: it turns out that if you do something, anything, many times a day, it gets under your skin, invariably
    Lingerer Xaris: Pema, what have you experienced doing this?
    Pema Pera: no matter how short
    doug Sosa: I find myself realy struggling with hos to describe what happens, the transitions in and out, the comparison with falling asleep..
    Pema Pera: we all experience different things, Lingerer
    Pema Pera: and each of us also different things each day
    Pema Pera: it's hard to give a broad brush summary
    Pema Pera: the one suggestion I made, when I introduced the idea, is: try to drop what you have in order to see what you are
    Pema Pera: and everybody fills that in in their own way
    doug Sosa: for me it is mostly hightened appreciation of my experience, with less categories., the goal being experience without judgements.
    Pema Pera: so if you want to try that, even just for a few hours, it would be nice to hear, next time, how it struck you
    doug Sosa: so for example, objects tend to float a bit, less substantial in shape but more substantial in experience.
    Steve gave a beautiful description, and thus determined the title for the session:
    stevenaia Michinaga: like when you open a window and a cool breeze blows by, everything changes for about 9 secs before things return, except the memory of the brief observation
    doug Sosa: nice!
    Pema Pera: :)
    doug Sosa: except to realize that here is no window, only the openness, and then the window returns... and shuts..
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Hana
    Pema Pera: Here are some excerpts of what different people reported, a while ago: http://playasbeing.wik.is/PaB_log_excerpts
    Lingerer Xaris: HI Hana
    Pema Pera: Hi Hana!
    Lingerer Xaris: you looked so cute when you appeared
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes doug
    Hana Furlough: hi everyone~
    doug Sosa: :)
    Pema Pera: nicely magical description, Doug!
    stevenaia Michinaga: yet you can continue to think about those 9 second
    doug Sosa: in my experience, thinking about the 9 sec tends to bring me back into it. I seem to not be able to prevent that, even if i wanted t.
    Hana Furlough: that's nice
    Hana Furlough: like second nature?
    Pema Pera: like a sign "don't read this"
    Hana Furlough: !!!
    doug Sosa: ha.
    doug Sosa: think about the 9 sec but keep your distance, you might fall in :)
    Pema Pera: :)
    Pema Pera: another metaphor: we tend to inflate ourselves, our own feeling of importance, in any task we focus on -- and the 9 sec helps to puncture the balloon
    doug Sosa: I wonder how Lewis carrol fell down the rabbit hole with alice. Seems similar..
    Pema Pera: the rabit did use a watch, after all, perhaps he was doing the 9 sec
    Hana Furlough: lol
    doug Sosa: or from the 1000 and one nights : "this carpet can take you from here to Istanbul in less time than it tkes to piss."
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Paradise
    Pema Pera: btw, Lingerer, 9 sec is kind of a pun: there are 900 seconds in a quarter hour, hence 9 secs four times an hour constitutes a 1% time tax
    doug Sosa: :)
    Pema Pera: hi Paradise!
    Hana Furlough: hi paradise~
    Paradise Tennant: hiya steve doug pema lingerer hana :))
    doug Sosa: So, doing te 9 se you'v paid our tax. Effortless.
    Pema Pera: 99% of the time we allow ourselves to be lost in an activity, and 1% of the time we wake up :)
    Hana Furlough: in that sense, nothing could be less taxing
    Pema Pera: hehehe
    Pema Pera: we're pretty cheap
    Hana Furlough: lol
    doug Sosa: which goes back to, pema you said the 9 sec was like a pun. what's the pun?
    I'm obliging by making up a few puns on the spot, such as they are ...
    Pema Pera: oh, very simple: I could have said "a few seconds" or "about ten seconds" but 9 seconds nicely constituted a 1% time tax, and makes the whole thing just a bit more mysterious, inviting the initial question "why 9?"
    Pema Pera: and of course there is that old Beatles song "Number 9" . . .
    Pema Pera: and there is "cloud 9" . . .
    Hana Furlough: smiles
    Pema Pera: Paradise, we were describing for Lingerer some of our experiences with the 9-sec breaks -- would you like to say something about your explorations with that?
    doug Sosa: So I've been trying 9se in the middle of activity, not dropping the activity, letting its momentum go on, but being aware without judgement, no need to say
    doug Sosa: this is good, or bad, or painful or complex..
    doug Sosa: i become much more ware of... what? ... hard to describe...
    Paradise Tennant: well mostly I focus on my breath always finds it brings me back to my senses ..in the present moment and sometimes there is a sense of space to the interval that is not there when you are busy living
    Paradise Tennant: I set an alarm on my watch which chimes on the quarter hour fairly softly
    Lingerer Xaris: nice
    doug Sosa: for me the "preent momment" actually morphs into a much more open time/timeless space/spaceless..
    Pema Pera: yes, the openness can be quite surprising -- and I often find that far less than 9 seconds is needed to regain that openness; often it comes back in the first second or less
    doug Sosa: but not empty..
    doug Sosa: ye, even anticipation starts it.
    Pema Pera: :)
    Pema Pera: Pavlov PaB !
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, some long dreams take only seconds
    Pema Pera: So as you can see, Lingerer, we have many ways to "do" something during those short breaks, from watching the breath to letting things go to more specific forms of explorations
    Pema Pera: for example, a focus on a short sentence, like "appreciate the presence of appearance"
    Pema Pera: APA for short
    Pema Pera: I have found that kind of practice very powerful
    doug Sosa: That of course is one of te longest short sentences.
    Pema Pera: and it is new each time I do it
    Hana Furlough: do you always use that exact sentence, pema?
    Pema Pera: not always, there are others as well, but it is nice to return to the same sentence, like drilling a hole and going deeper and deeper
    doug Sosa: how is it in japanese?
    Pema Pera: the sentence "Play as Being" itself is quite powerful too!
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello gina
    Pema Pera: I haven't tried to translate it, Doug :)
    gina Broono: hello everyone
    Pema Pera: Hi Gina!
    Hana Furlough: hi gina~
    Paradise Tennant: hiya gina
    Pema Pera: Good to see you again, Gina :)
    Lingerer Xaris: hi gina
    doug Sosa: That's amazing, Pema..
    gina Broono: same here Pema and all familiar faces
    doug Sosa: I may try it out in chinese tomorrow.
    Gina was the most recent SL acquaintance whom I met in person.
    Pema Pera: btw, Gina and I met for a drink at Penn Station, earlier this week, in RL
    Pema Pera: always nice to meet avatars, or their typists, in a different realm!
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    gina Broono: and a lovely salad
    gina Broono: Steve u r next
    gina Broono: been years we tried to meet
    stevenaia Michinaga: indeed
    Pema Pera: Paradise, any chance you can come to the Princeton retreat, a few weeks from now?
    stevenaia Michinaga: love Penn Station oyster bar
    doug Sosa: I've been trying even longer but didn't even know your name or appearance in RL or SL, so has made it harder :)
    Paradise Tennant: was thinking of it ..
    Pema Pera: great!
    Paradise Tennant: it would not by any chance be dog friendly ?
    Paradise Tennant: lol
    Pema Pera: oh, I think we can take care of a dog, somehow
    Paradise Tennant: if not not a problem I can leave him with my walker
    Pema Pera: but I'd have to think about the logistics
    Pema Pera: haven't had a visitor with a dog yet, at least not a dog that was not left in an apartment
    doug Sosa: Give him to a policeman "I found this dog" and then claim him later. "Oh thank you for finding my dog!"
    Pema Pera wondering whether the dog likes to sleep a lot
    Paradise Tennant: he is very quiet . and he sleeps a lot
    Paradise Tennant: all allergy free a poodle mix
    doug Sosa: Prozac?
    Pema Pera: do you think the dog could quietly sit in a corner of the room, while we meet?
    Paradise Tennant: lol
    Paradise Tennant: yes
    Paradise Tennant: he comes to my book club ..
    Pema Pera: then I see no problem -- though when we go to a restaurant, in the U.S., unlike Europe, we won't be able to let the dog in, I'm afraid . . . .
    Paradise Tennant: are we meeting on the grounds of the university .. may be issues there ?
    Paradise Tennant: he can sit in the car .. :)
    Paradise Tennant: during dinner :)
    Pema Pera: well, then there should be no problem (if it is not yet freezing in November)
    Paradise Tennant: kk
    Pema Pera: we will be meeting on the small campus of the Institute for Advanced Study where I work
    doug Sosa: kk?
    Paradise Tennant: are there pet rules
    stevenaia Michinaga: (kk) shorthand for "ok"
    Lingerer Xaris: are there some Princeton peeps here?
    doug Sosa: ah
    Hana Furlough: lol yes, lingerer
    Pema Pera: http://www.internetslang.com/KK.asp : KK means "OK, cool"
    Paradise Tennant: ;)
    stevenaia Michinaga: I;ve been using it incorrectly ... :)
    Pema Pera: Well, I am a semi-peep I guess Lingerer
    Pema Pera: while Hana is a full-time peep
    Lingerer Xaris: i'm not, but i know about the Institute
    Pema Pera: I live in New York City, work in Princeton
    Pema Pera: while Hana lives and works there
    Hana Furlough: lol
    Hana Furlough: yep i'm a full-time peep
    Lingerer Xaris: yes, Hana is a full-time peep in many ways
    Hana Furlough: !!!
    Back to the Princeton mini-retreat:
    stevenaia Michinaga: when you have some semblence of a schedule , Pema, I will see about a Saturday appearence
    Pema Pera: my tentative schedule is a two-day meeting, Friday and Saturday
    doug Sosa: peep?
    Pema Pera: people coming from far away can choose to stay one night, two nights or three nights, depending on how much of the head and tail of the two days they want to catch
    Pema Pera: http://onlineslangdictionary.com/definition+of/peeps : dude, person of unspecified gender
    Pema Pera: (you should learn to use Google, Doug!)
    doug Sosa: more fun to ask.
    Paradise Tennant: sometimes think I have google for a brain ..eliminates the need to remember things ;) it is just there a sec away
    Pema Pera: I'll send out an email to the playasbeing group soon, asking who is considering coming to Princeton,and then we can see what we can do about lodging
    Paradise Tennant: what will be the focus of the meeting pema ?
    doug Sosa: so wish i could come. But good to have wishes.
    Paradise Tennant: wishes are the fabric of dreams and dreams keep us whole :)
    Pema Pera: the basic idea is similar to what we do here, but then more intensely, for two reasons: we actually meet in person and the sessions are longer
    Pema Pera: So far we have had one RL PaB retreat, a month and a bit ago in California
    Pema Pera: and that was a great success
    Pema Pera: most sessions were just a couple hours
    Pema Pera: and each time we spend five or ten minutes doing some kind of exercise/exploration
    gina Broono: sorry , I need ot move on
    Lingerer Xaris: i like what you said Paradise. lovely
    gina Broono: see you next ime
    Pema Pera: followed by half an hour or so comparing notes
    stevenaia Michinaga: bye gina
    Paradise Tennant: nite nite gina
    Pema Pera: sharing experiences
    Pema Pera: bye Gina!
    Hana Furlough: bye gina~
    Pema Pera: the explorations grounded and focused the discussions, while the shared converations helped broaden what we learned in the explorations
    Doug interjected some Japanese.
    doug Sosa: 外観の存在に感謝
    doug Sosa: from google translator.
    Pema Pera: APA, hehehe
    Hana Furlough: lol
    Hana Furlough: !!!
    Paradise Tennant: :)
    Hana Furlough: i think i would go with 相 for appearance instead
    doug Sosa: holding the eye. good.
    Pema Pera: yes, that's the weakest word
    Pema Pera: appreciation is translated as "thanks"
    Pema Pera: or "thankfulness"
    doug Sosa: so more work. but these differences are enlightening to struggle with.
    Paradise Tennant: appreciation in its fullness :)
    Pema Pera: :)
    doug Sosa: PaB is play, serious, and sociable. A model conversation.
    Paradise Tennant: hmm conversation .. is sometimes a missing component in our lives ..
    doug Sosa: Most are too fast paced. poele seem to learn from the soundbyte culture.
    doug Sosa: people..
    Hana Furlough: i need to get going
    Paradise Tennant: we are plugged into a huge stream of information .. bombarded with it really ..but the mutual sharing of ideas is .. often missing
    Hana Furlough: a lovely night to all~
    Paradise Tennant: good night hana
    doug Sosa: bye.
    Pema Pera: bye Hana!
    Lingerer Xaris: agreed
    Pema Pera: that's precisely what we tried to overcome, Paradise, in our retreat: instead of just a stream of information, we mixed in the personal experience of each doing a kind of short practice, in a shared environment, and then we took that as a starting point for the next half hour of conversation
    Pema Pera: it made an amazing difference
    doug Sosa: kind and gentle and serious.
    Paradise Tennant: ;)
    stevenaia Michinaga: I must be off, see you tomarrow
    Pema Pera: bye Steve!
    Paradise Tennant: nite nite steve
    Pema Pera: he literally took off!
    doug Sosa: me too. thanks all.
    Paradise Tennant: ;)
    Pema Pera: bye Doug!
    Paradise Tennant: good nite doug :)
    Lingerer Xaris: I'm going to go, too. Lovely to spend time with both of you again.
    Pema Pera: nice to have you here again, Lingerer!
    Paradise Tennant: :) good night lingerer .. :)
    Pema Pera: hehehe, we have to type faster to catch the goers :)
    Paradise Tennant: yes ..will look for your im on the retreat details.. :) will be fun :)
    Pema Pera: do you get the playasbeing emails?
    Paradise Tennant: yes
    Paradise Tennant: there are a lot of them!
    Pema Pera: we generally spread the information not via IMs but via the email google group
    Pema Pera: yeah, sorry about that :)
    Pema Pera: we can be a pretty active bunch . . . .
    Paradise Tennant: no worries . :)
    Pema Pera: actually, let me write the Princeton email right now, just so it doesn't get postponed. You'll have it in ten minutes!
    Pema Pera: Looking forward to meeting you in RL too then!
    Paradise Tennant: if it is going to be problematic with the dog ..I will leave him home .. :) do not want cause any added logistical issues
    Paradise Tennant: take care pema :)
    Paradise Tennant: big wave from toronto
    Pema Pera: it may be easier to leave the dog home
    Pema Pera: if that is no problem
    Paradise Tennant: kk :)
    Pema Pera: but if it is, you can take the dog with you
    Pema Pera: good night, Paradise!
    Paradise Tennant: good night pema :)
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