2009.10.17 01:00 - Communication

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Scathach Rhiadra. The comments are by Scathach Rhiadra.

    Yakuzza Lethecus: good morning scath
    Scathach Rhiadra: Good morning Yakuzza:)
    Scathach Rhiadra: How are you today?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: thx, fine, i hope the same counts for you :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: yes, thanks:)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it´s somehow complicated telling that something wouldn´t be fine, since people in a virtual world can´t help with the issues you might have to deal with in real life
    Scathach Rhiadra nods, true!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so i am really fine right now, but even when not i fear the issue of comming into a negative tainted conversation :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: you mean you would say you were fine no matter how you really were?
    Scathach Rhiadra: I think we all do that to some extent
    Yakuzza Lethecus: depending on the reason, yes
    Yakuzza Lethecus: that would bring up the issue of absoluty honestly and how to justify non truth
    Scathach Rhiadra: mmm, or just glossing over the complete truth
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i remember that in a lecture i once heard the mentioned that kant in one text even said that he even needed to tell a murder where the victim hides if he´s asked for :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: ha:)
    Scathach Rhiadra: don't see why he would have to answer the murderer at all
    Scathach Rhiadra: he could keep silent
    Yakuzza Lethecus: morgen bert
    Scathach Rhiadra: Good morning Bertram!
    Bertram Jacobus: good morning :-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it would threaten his ethical constructs in it´s integrity somehow
    Yakuzza Lethecus: obviously that´s an extreme to philosophize upon
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i can´t imagine anyone would do that in reality if he knows who a murder would be
    Scathach Rhiadra nods
    Scathach Rhiadra: [1:07] Yakuzza Lethecus: that would bring up the issue of absoluty honestly and how to justify non truth
    Bertram Jacobus: ah - ty ! :-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: de nada
    Scathach Rhiadra: [1:08] Yakuzza Lethecus: i remember that in a lecture i once heard the mentioned that kant in one text even said that he even needed to tell a murder where the victim hides if he´s asked for :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i posted everything to him
    Yakuzza Lethecus: in IM
    Scathach Rhiadra: ah, sorry, thank you Yakuzza
    Yakuzza Lethecus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categorical_imperative#Inquiring_murderer
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but i don´t really want to engage the topic further
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i just wanted to veryfy because i just heard that
    Scathach Rhiadra: but does not Kant's need to always tell the truth when asked a question not show he is being ruled by the other person?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: heven´t ever google the point
    Scathach Rhiadra: is there anything else you would like to talk about?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bert, ur topic this week was often the issue that you wanted to elaborate further what play as being really is ?
    Bertram Jacobus: strange : i would even prefere the contrary : if, for example, a nazi had asked me : did you see a jew flee ? in which direction ? who wouldn´t give him awrong answer ? (!)
    Scathach Rhiadra nods
    Bertram Jacobus: yes. yaku. or more precise : what shall it lead to, what the aim may be ...
    Yakuzza Lethecus: did you get any answers ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and i would be interested in the issue that how do people percieve the use of secondlife when they see you using this medium :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: for example i still don´t tell anyone that i am using second life in real life
    Bertram Jacobus: hm. for me it´s spreading enlightenment and helping to reach it. but some or even many people have a problem with that word (enlightenment)
    Scathach Rhiadra nods
    Yakuzza Lethecus: nods me too :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: because my associations after many podcasts about philosophy, enlightenment directs me right into the 18th century :)
    Bertram Jacobus: i know, that there are many prejudices, but i can explain and do so, how virtual aspects and the rest of the real life can be brought together ...
    Yakuzza Lethecus: even when i know that the context today means something different
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so it´s context related how the term is used
    Scathach Rhiadra listens
    Yakuzza Lethecus: to whom ?
    Bertram Jacobus: mostly, i express, that virtual live must not be a compensation, but an addition to life (!)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it is just life
    Yakuzza Lethecus: for me
    Bertram Jacobus: to the people who ask me or who criticize this new medium and it´s use ...
    Scathach Rhiadra: yes, like an extension of RL, another medium to liveyour life, interact with people
    Bertram Jacobus: and surely : one has to differ, whether people become addicted to this medium or not or less ...
    Bertram Jacobus: i have only one person, who is so emotional, that he can obviously not handle this acting in the net. so i don´t talk to him about the aspects he can´t stand ...
    Bertram Jacobus: but he´s a big exception in my life ... with this stance ...
    Yakuzza Lethecus: second life really changed my perception about the people using the web for communication
    Bertram Jacobus: did you find or do you have answers to the question, what pab is good for or leads to ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: the oldest person i talked to is now 79 :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: nice :-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so in real life i don´t talk about the medium because virtual worlds raise different associations
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so people might think about world of warcraft
    Bertram Jacobus: and i disagree in relation to the topic, you had at the beginning of this meeting : i experienced already often, that people helped me here with problems in my life (!) -
    Yakuzza Lethecus: age of conan, that are obviously just game
    Yakuzza Lethecus: s
    Scathach Rhiadra: maybe we were just mentioning the general tendency to ask 'How are you' and answer 'fine' or 'ok' almost like rote?
    Bertram Jacobus: did you ? yaku ? :-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: what did i ?
    Bertram Jacobus: what scat wrote now
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yeah, that is pretty much what it is
    Yakuzza Lethecus: exept when i have a cold or something thats clearly expressable
    Yakuzza Lethecus: often rl problems are too deep in the context for myself to express those on the net
    Scathach Rhiadra: when you get to know people better, then one can be more honest in answers, just like in RL
    Bertram Jacobus: yes ... hm ... ok ... is that sad or good ? ... ;-)
    Bertram Jacobus: may be ok
    Scathach Rhiadra: or somewhere inbetween those maybe..
    Bertram Jacobus: otherwise could become too complicated
    Bertram Jacobus: but i learned in the net also to express seemingly too complicated stories quite simple (!) :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: finding fast the essence ...
    Bertram Jacobus: very helpful
    Scathach Rhiadra nods
    Bertram Jacobus: and - i would divide the various net places : sl for example and a chat platform i use since 200 for example ...
    Bertram Jacobus: 2000
    Bertram Jacobus: where i found much of the mentioned help ...
    Bertram Jacobus: and made real friends -
    Bertram Jacobus: bolonath comes from there too
    Bertram Jacobus: i visited him already two times ...
    Scathach Rhiadra: in RL?
    Bertram Jacobus: 500 km away from me ... when a tour led me in his direction ...
    Bertram Jacobus: yes
    Bertram Jacobus: rl
    Scathach Rhiadra: nice:)
    Bertram Jacobus: yes. that are great experiences : to meet people rl too and to see that they are so nice as in the net :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: sympathic ...
    Bertram Jacobus: with bolo, for example, i know : he always would help me with his natural healing knowledge when ever i would need it ...
    Scathach Rhiadra nods
    Bertram Jacobus: and there is in this relation NO differnece between the net and the rest of the life ... :-D
    Scathach Rhiadra: yes I agree
    Bertram Jacobus: but sl seems to me much used for surfaces as i make experience with most of the people here. okay : not the spiritual circles (again such a word) ... ;-)
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: in fact i like the issue that people are far away usually :)
    Bertram Jacobus: why is that yaku ? may i ask ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: because i don´t have to care how i am percieved and i can be more what i think witout to fear how i might be percieved
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and the funny thing when i don´t fear i don´t even scew things up :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: i see ... very interesting to me ... because : i have impressions, that parts of our societies become what i call sociophobic - a problematic situation in my opinion ...
    Bertram Jacobus: and i´m searching for the reasons for that and how one could help and change such a development
    Bertram Jacobus: because only a social society seems to me survivable ...
    Bertram Jacobus: and we are group beings - serach communication -
    Bertram Jacobus: search*
    Scathach Rhiadra: well is this not communication?
    Bertram Jacobus: yes. but that´s the legitimate critics regarding to the net use : when it replaces real relations ...
    Bertram Jacobus: whereas the relations here are also real
    Scathach Rhiadra: mmm, this is part of RL, so if we can communicate more easily here, is it not contributing to overall communication?
    Bertram Jacobus: so i should have written net relations ;-)
    Bertram Jacobus: i agree scath - and that´s what i wrote in the very beginning of this topic : when it´s a contribution : wonderful ! but when it´s a substitute : questionably
    Bertram Jacobus: but i´m not sure i notice ... ;-)
    Scathach Rhiadra: ok, but maybe when we have experience of communication without the fear Yakuzza spoke of, then that may open up into our other relationships in RL
    Bertram Jacobus: great point !
    Bertram Jacobus: but may be, communication with a distance as satisfying is also thinkable ...
    Bertram Jacobus: so many variations ! ... :-)
    Scathach Rhiadra: well may be better than no communication at all, in any life
    Bertram Jacobus: yes.
    Scathach Rhiadra: time for me to leave, have a great weekend, Yakuzza and Bertram:)
    Bertram Jacobus: for me too. tysm for the talk ! :-)
    Scathach Rhiadra: Namasté
    Bertram Jacobus: namasté :-)

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