2009.10.20 07:00 - The enlightenment button

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    Wol Euler recovered this session from the autologging database. Riddle appears to have been the GoC.


    Riddle Sideways: good morning, sorry I is late

    Mary Korpov: Good morning. Busy at the moment. BRB.

    Mary Korpov: I'm back

    Riddle Sideways: ah, so am I

    Mary Korpov: IS your avatar male or female?

    Riddle Sideways: hmmm, mostly male

    Mary Korpov: I see. It looks to me like a woman with a beard

    Riddle Sideways: when I was young I could not grow a beard, so my long hair made me look like a girl

    Riddle Sideways: Is that a boy or a girl was a common phrase back then

    Mary Korpov: Then why not cut it short?

    Yakuzza Lethecus: good morning mary, riddle

    Riddle Sideways: Hi Yaku

    Mary Korpov: hi

    Mary Korpov: I think it is that your avatar appears to be wearing a skirt and has breasts. That combination with the long hair makes it look feminine.

    Riddle Sideways: we all have our prefered uniform/costumes and would be hard put to change

    Mary Korpov: In RL, I change fairly often, actually. Stagnation is boring.

    Riddle Sideways: The shirt is a hakama from the Aikido I practice

    Mary Korpov: So you try to make your avatar represent how you look and what you do in RL?

    Riddle Sideways: the breasts are both my poor avatar abilitiess and

    Riddle Sideways: or what I was 15 years ago

    Mary Korpov: nostalgia?

    Riddle Sideways: maybe

    Mary Korpov: The psychology of avatar creation is interesting

    sophia Placebo: greetings all

    Mary Korpov: hi


    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi sophia

    Riddle Sideways: some people do avs daily, some of us got stuck with this last year

    Riddle Sideways: hi sophia

    Mary Korpov: What does "alt" mean in SL? I was called that recently, but I don't know what it means.

    Riddle Sideways: ah, that bell pauses was very nice

    Riddle Sideways: no idea what "alt" here means

    Riddle Sideways: I had been thinking through the daily practices we do

    Riddle Sideways: hi widget

    Widget Whiteberry: gm

    Mary Korpov: So what do you think?

    Riddle Sideways: the aeorbic exercises I went through to get to this session only 3 minutes late

    Mary Korpov: You did aerobic exercise in order to use a computer?

    Riddle Sideways: the running up/down stairs the worry, the "what if I am late"

    Riddle Sideways: the raised heart beat over self imposed auxious

    Mary Korpov: Why would you worry about such a thing? OR be anxious about SL?

    Riddle Sideways: good question, but I do

    Widget Whiteberry: is it the same worry you would have about being late in rl?

    Riddle Sideways: we get ourselves into states that others just say "why you do that"

    Mary Korpov: This seems to me to be a place where one can be completely non-anxious. WE are completely annonymous here.

    Riddle Sideways: was thinking about the self-imposed states we do

    Riddle Sideways: the hurry-up and rush so we have more time to relax

    Riddle Sideways: actually, it came about couple days ago while driving

    Mary Korpov: Where were you going?

    Riddle Sideways: I passed a car that had a mom and daugther

    Riddle Sideways: both looking the opposite direction

    Riddle Sideways: with looks on their faces of maybe disgust

    Riddle Sideways: the way a teenager and a parent can get

    Mary Korpov: I hope the one driving was looking at the road

    Riddle Sideways: the very next car had a smiley happy singing with the radio person

    Mary Korpov: all types. Can't infer anything from what you see of people in a car

    Mary Korpov: Ever look around at a red light? There will always be someone picking his nose. What does that mean?

    Riddle Sideways: yes, but my attitude toward the nose picking is what (might) matter

    Widget Whiteberry: Riddle, how did this unfold for you from there?

    Riddle Sideways: well, a little 15 minute bell went off in my head

    Widget Whiteberry: oh!

    Mary Korpov: What did it say?

    Riddle Sideways: take a breath and think my my


    Mary Korpov: Did you stop the car and get out, look around?

    Riddle Sideways: there are the BIG practices that we do

    Riddle Sideways: the stop the car, the sit for an hou, etc.

    Bolonath Crystal: namaste @ all :)

    Riddle Sideways: then there are the little 9-sec, 90 sec, a moment, a glimse

    Riddle Sideways: hI Bolonath

    Mary Korpov: There is something I'd like to raise

    Riddle Sideways: ok

    Mary Korpov: I was here about a week ago (I've been traveling) and had an odd, and annoying as I've thought about it, experience

    Mary Korpov: I was accused of being a male on the grounds that my responses are rational

    Mary Korpov: The more I thought about this, the more offensive it became

    Riddle Sideways: can see that

    Mary Korpov: Why can't women be rational? And what is wrong with being rational in any case?

    Widget Whiteberry laughs

    Mary Korpov: I wasn't laughing, actually

    Mary Korpov: It wasn't a joke, it was said seriously, which is what bothered me

    Widget Whiteberry: Mary, I think it says a lot about the person who made the comment

    Widget Whiteberry: none of it flattering to them

    Bolonath Crystal: another interesting question is: why did it make you feel offended?

    Widget Whiteberry: and there is a fair amt of gender anxiety in SL, among some people

    Mary Korpov: I don't know. I simply thought it was a very odd thing.

    Mary Korpov: That's easy, it made me feel offended because I can't see what rational and woman cannot go together

    Mary Korpov: It wasn't so much an offense against me, as it was against all women

    Bolonath Crystal: you may have that opinion without being offended, if someone else thinks different. it doesn't matter, who is "right". it is just interesting, how we feel offended about some things and not about others

    Mary Korpov: I think it does matter who is right when an entire class of people is being labeled in one way. That is what discrimination, racism, sexism, etc. is all about.

    Bolonath Crystal: whenever i am in a similar situation, it always teaches me a lot about myself

    Mary Korpov: Sure, but it also teaches a lot about others

    Bolonath Crystal: yes, i agree

    Bolonath Crystal: but for me it is more important to learn about myself ;)

    Bolonath Crystal: searching my "true self"

    Mary Korpov: Well, I actually think I know myself pretty well, so I tend to be more interested in learning about others.

    Bolonath Crystal: i always succeed in surprising myself ;)

    Riddle Sideways: we are continually surrounded by idiots and sages that are saying all kinds of words

    Riddle Sideways: what we take in and take from is ...

    Mary Korpov: How are idiots and sages different?

    Riddle Sideways: only our attitude toward it

    Riddle Sideways: I was not offended by your questioning my gender

    Riddle Sideways: yet, maybe I should have been :)

    Riddle Sideways: and yet, I know what you mean about hearing somebody talking racist

    Riddle Sideways: can't turn and walk away


    Mary Korpov: There is a difference, I think, Riddle. I asked because I couldn't tell from your avatar whether it was male or female, it seemed to have elements of both. I, on the other hand, was told that I am a male in RL. If my avatar was unclear, I would have no problem being asked.

    Mary Korpov: My avatar is not real, just an image over which I have complete control.

    Mary Korpov: brb

    Riddle Sideways: there are so many amoungst us that in SL are trying alternative selves

    Riddle Sideways: in RL we took a long time coming to who we are

    Riddle Sideways: in SL we do a quick change to something

    Riddle Sideways: maybe only partly thought through

    Bolonath Crystal: would be nice to have an enlightenment button in RL ;)

    Riddle Sideways: sure would

    Riddle Sideways: oops, that was close... my kitty stepped on the un-enlighten keys on my keyboard and almost re-booted me

    Bolonath Crystal: lol

    Riddle Sideways: maybe we do have enlightenment buttons

    Riddle Sideways: think of those buttons that ppl push on you daily

    Riddle Sideways: mostly we think of the BAD buttons

    Mary Korpov: I think we do., but the key is to not let others push your buttons

    Riddle Sideways: but, we have GOOD buttons too

    Bolonath Crystal: yes :)

    Mary Korpov: Buttons are neither good nor bad

    Riddle Sideways: the key is to let others push those buttons too

    Mary Korpov: I often think that the key is to withdraw from others--then they cannot push the buttons

    Riddle Sideways: I often think that the key is to be so in harmony with others that we have the same buttons

    Riddle Sideways: then again, sometimes I don't often think

    Mary Korpov: I don't think I can be that in harmony with others. Withdrawing is much better

    Riddle Sideways: these are teh different practices that fill our days

    Bolonath Crystal: i think we need both to enhance our spritual development. times of withdrawal and those, when we are very open to everything/everyone

    Mary Korpov: Maybe, but I feel most comfortable when I don't have to deal with other people. I've never been lonely.

    Bolonath Crystal: i can't see much use in developing compassion somewhere alone in a himalayan cave

    Mary Korpov: Why develop compassion?

    Bolonath Crystal: because compassion is one of the keys to understanding our true nature

    Mary Korpov: I disagree. I do not believe we have a true nature

    Bolonath Crystal: well, that would implicate that we are not existing at all...

    Mary Korpov: Not really, although that is a possibility. I think we are simply products of our environment. There is no true "me".

    Bolonath Crystal: if this is the case i'd consider being a product of our environment as our true nature

    Mary Korpov: Well, then I've got the answer, so I'm all set...

    Bolonath Crystal: :)

    Riddle Sideways: :)

    Yakuzza Lethecus: take care everyone

    Bolonath Crystal: om shanti, yak

    Riddle Sideways: it is so fun to play trying on different positions for a while

    Riddle Sideways: bye yaku


    Mary Korpov: Sorry, work, called for a moment

    Widget Whiteberry: I need to go

    Widget Whiteberry: see you tomorrow

    Mary Korpov: bye

    Bolonath Crystal: bye widget

    Riddle Sideways: please continue, ya'll but I need to go to RL stuff

    Bolonath Crystal: i have to leave, too

    Mary Korpov: me too

    Riddle Sideways: this dialog was far too interesting

    Bolonath Crystal: have a nice day :)

    Riddle Sideways: thank you

    Bolonath Crystal: ty 2 :)

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