2009.10.24 07:00 - Uniqueness

The Guardian for this meeting was sophia Placebo. The comments are by sophia Placebo.

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Sophia :)
Eliza Madrigal: Sl is laggy today? You seem to be completely suspended :)
sophia Placebo: it is my connection it is a slow one
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Vendy! :)
sophia Placebo: the fast is not working at all today
Vendy Walpole: Hi Eliza, Sophia
sophia Placebo: hi eliza , vendy :)
Eliza Madrigal: The typing seems to be okay, but movement more of an issue?
Vendy Walpole: am I late?
sophia Placebo: nop
Eliza Madrigal: Not at all Vendy
sophia Placebo: on time !
Vendy Walpole: fine :)
sophia Placebo: magnifisant hat eliza !
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Eliza Madrigal: Thank you :)
Eliza Madrigal: This is my Halloween costume
sophia Placebo: lol
Eliza Madrigal: Eliza Doolittle
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Vendy Walpole: You are very beautiful in it
Eliza Madrigal: Thank you. I feel grand
Vendy Walpole: as it was done for you
Vendy Walpole: :)
Vendy Walpole: yw
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, nice . Thanks :) You know I didn't consider Doolittle when I chose the name Eliza for SL
Eliza Madrigal: but am on an Audrey kick
Vendy Walpole: Are you from Europe or US, Eliza?
Eliza Madrigal: We all look lovely I think. You and Sophia both have beautiful greek sandals :)
Eliza Madrigal: US... Florida, Vendy
Vendy Walpole: I have problem with them, do not fit perfect
Vendy Walpole: So, you celebrate Hallowen now?
Eliza Madrigal: Hm, May have to shrink your feet?
Vendy Walpole: I did, its 0 seize
Vendy Walpole: but can't be all real as we wish in SL
Eliza Madrigal: The Macedonian video you sent is beautiful, btw Vendy
Vendy Walpole: I am glad you like it..was the welcome from you?
Vendy Walpole: was signed by Eliza
Eliza Madrigal nods
Vendy Walpole: thank you
Vendy Walpole: That is city where I was born, on the video
Vendy Walpole: beside lake
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, nice!!
Vendy Walpole: yes, you can imagine how was to be a child there, later we moved to another city and country
Eliza Madrigal: I often think about the impact of early environments
Vendy Walpole: I believe it is huge
Vendy Walpole: and know that we are shaped until age of 5, mostly, mentally
Eliza Madrigal: yes, that seems to be the height of plasticity? I'm happy to hear that they're finding more flexibility than they thought afterward though
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Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: I am imagining what it must be like to be a child amidst ancient architecture ... how it speaks
sophia Placebo: lots of befor sleep stories!
Vendy Walpole: I felt very close to stories of old Greeks and Romans, my grandmother used to read and tell them though
Eliza Madrigal smiles...how enriched
Vendy Walpole: she liked those from England as well :)
Vendy Walpole: Peter Pan, Wendy , so I am Vendy
sophia Placebo: :)
Eliza Madrigal: Ah! Mystery solved :)
Vendy Walpole: grins
Vendy Walpole: it is wrong spelled though
Eliza Madrigal: Wendy with a German pronunciation?
Eliza Madrigal: heheh
Vendy Walpole: with Slavic
Eliza Madrigal nods
Vendy Walpole: we say it Vendi
Eliza Madrigal: Lovely, I like that
Vendy Walpole: ty...Tell me about this holiday Eliza, what it means really?
Eliza Madrigal: Halloween?
Vendy Walpole: yes
sophia Placebo: do you pronounce we as ve or the vice versa?
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, well for me it is just a reason to act out SL in RL
Vendy Walpole: we do not have the letter w, just v Sophia
Eliza Madrigal: But of course the origins are more involved...
Vendy Walpole: Is it something connected with witches?
Vendy Walpole: myths?
Eliza Madrigal: Yes, festivals of the dead and such.
Eliza Madrigal: All our holidays in the US seem to be patchworks of many things rather than representing one thing or another
Vendy Walpole: maybe because the fact that USA consists of so many cultures ?
Vendy Walpole: as traditions
Vendy Walpole: I do like it
Vendy Walpole: it enriches
Eliza Madrigal: yes I think so. Many traditions start off with religious origins and then in order to adapt to changing cultures, etc...bring more and more in
Eliza Madrigal: Like many things it is the attitude one brings toward it I think?
Vendy Walpole: I agree
Eliza Madrigal: I feel as though the US, for all its holidays, has only a few which feel very celebratory
Vendy Walpole: 4th July? Christmas?
Eliza Madrigal: Most are consumptive, or at least lean that way if one doesn't counter... meaning reasons to buy 'stuff'
sophia Placebo: though homogencity may bring stasis to culture , i find poeple always wandering if it would be great if 2 cultures do similar things or agree upon similar values
Eliza Madrigal: Yes Sophia, it is a good topic. I think both are needed. Somehow to enjoy things together without flattening
Eliza Madrigal: too much
Vendy Walpole: people could keep the difference in their traditions respecting others' and at the same time join them - participate in other's celebrations as guests
Vendy Walpole: so the joy will be even better I guess
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, yes I like that "as guests"
Eliza Madrigal: Tuning into the essential agreement while truly appreciating differences
Vendy Walpole: guests should respect the rules in home they visits
Eliza Madrigal nods nods
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sophia Placebo nods
Vendy Walpole: There is a movie, Americam production, about a jewish family visit to chatolic famili during the Christmas, maybe you know it?
Vendy Walpole: when their children engaged and they wanted to meet each other
Vendy Walpole: It was sort of comedy but with good message
Eliza Madrigal: Hm, do you remember the title at all, or the actors?
Vendy Walpole: The start was not very promising
Vendy Walpole: no
Vendy Walpole: they could not fit with each other though did their best cause the sake of children but
Vendy Walpole: as the story continues they accept what was "odd" to them and participated truly
Vendy Walpole: managing to realize the Hanuka I think at the same time in the same house :)
Eliza Madrigal: I've known many families where the father/mother were of different traditions and faiths, who make the diversity work very well. In my own house we try to add things from many places during the holidays
Vendy Walpole: two traditions under one roof
Eliza Madrigal: What makes it difficult at times is for the extended families... the older generations
Eliza Madrigal: who get a bit um...territorial :)
Eliza Madrigal: Film is a great medium to address some of these things
Qt Core: hi all
Eliza Madrigal: through humor especially
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Qt :)
sophia Placebo: i had this feeling when someone for example told me that it is shame muslims left some of thheir traditions behind and if they become more like sufis it would be great and i was thinking why should we ? i mean if you like sufis go and hang with them lol no one would object on that , really dont like the -we should all look like cars coming from same factory same desgine-
Vendy Walpole: yes, this one did it in light way
sophia Placebo: hi qt
Vendy Walpole: Hi Qt
Eliza Madrigal: haha Sophia, yes
Eliza Madrigal: We don't want to lose uniqueness and flavor
Vendy Walpole: That will make the world dul lplace, I think
Vendy Walpole: dull*
Eliza Madrigal: But along with that, it is good to dwell on our essential oneness?
sophia Placebo: being humans ? sure
Eliza Madrigal: I think when we appreciate that really, we're not afraid of differences
Qt Core: insisting to be unique to the limit of becoming alone, eliza ?
sophia Placebo: how it would make it dul vendy?
Eliza Madrigal: that can happen too, Qt, sure
Vendy Walpole: If we all lose our uniqnues
Vendy Walpole: uniqueness
Eliza Madrigal: We were talking about holidays and cultural differences mostly
Eliza Madrigal: And well... in the back of my mind, I'm thinking of food :)
Qt Core: interesting topic
sophia Placebo: hehe
sophia Placebo: im thinking of food too -hungey -
Eliza Madrigal: heheh
Qt Core: (just got home from a birthday lunch party, my mother's 80th)
Eliza Madrigal: wow, Congrats to your mother Qt
Eliza Madrigal: 80 years :) Nice
Vendy Walpole nods
sophia Placebo: ohh :) congrats for your mother ! hope you snd her a nice gift
Eliza Madrigal considers how much she's seen change in that time
Vendy Walpole: I wonder what does she think of this time now
Eliza Madrigal: hmm
Qt Core: we just spoken aboout that last night, speaking about programming, she was a programmer in the '60
sophia Placebo: uniqueness dosnt mean lonley , you can be dull still alone : nothing more to give and nothing to recive
Eliza Madrigal: ! you've got tech genes Qt
sophia Placebo: hehe
Vendy Walpole: I think the same Sophie, you can know where are your roots and keep them close but be open to share
Vendy Walpole: and learn
Qt Core: it depend on your uniqueness type too, a social or an asocial one ;-)
Eliza Madrigal nods... Appreciation :)
sophia Placebo: agrees with vendy
Qt Core: you know, i really think that, i started being a programmer before knopwing she was one (i knew her as a nath professor only)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Qt Core: nath=math
Eliza Madrigal could have used a few math professors in her background
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Vendy Walpole: This growth of computers' world must be fascinating for her too?
Vendy Walpole: Earlier it was expected there would be only a few computers in the world :))
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sophia Placebo: there is predjuce -hope i spell it right - where one think he is superior and act upon that
sophia Placebo: re qt social and asocial uniqueness *
Eliza Madrigal: so fascinating... this internet and cultural web and its current reaches. There's an analogy "Indra's Net" where each jewel reflects all the others and yet is still rare and precious as itself... that the diversity enhances the uniqueness and visa versa
Qt Core: she didn;t use them for many years and now she has great troubles as she thingk about them with her '60 approach and have a difficoult time with what they can do now
Eliza Madrigal: Pema mentioned PaB that way once
Vendy Walpole: Not long time ago I could not believe that phones will become movable or even as small computers..so, I can understnd her confusion
Eliza Madrigal remembers the huge car phones
Eliza Madrigal: hehe
Qt Core: you know like if you bring Leonardo from his century and show him just a "simple" modern car
sophia Placebo thinking of witches of the medival era
Eliza Madrigal: some visionaries would not be too surprised I think... maybe even disappointed that we'd not solved some basic things yet
Vendy Walpole: Regarding the diversity of backgrounds we all come from..it is interesting that 9my opinion) our true core does not differs much, we are with similar desires, fears, dreams...coming from India or USA or ex Yugoslavia
Vendy Walpole: and it confirms that we are all part of the oneness :)
Qt Core: as for a rude quote of mine ... we all use the same toilet paper
Vendy Walpole: hahaha
sophia Placebo: hehe
Eliza Madrigal: yes, that is certainly how I feel too. If we at least try to see our differences in a light and appreciative way, then they can enhance our lives
Eliza Madrigal giggles at Qt
Vendy Walpole: muliticultural societies can be very inyteresting thought they are like a barrel with gas, waiting to explode (as it is on Balcan)
Eliza Madrigal: Knowing our ignorance is important. I like your profile quote Sophia, which I read this morning : "-I Dont Know -is half The Knowladge."
sophia Placebo: true , they had that potential
Eliza Madrigal: brb
Vendy Walpole: hope te spiritual growth will overcome the potential of explosion
sophia Placebo: i like it too eliza , it makes it easier for me to admit that i dont know
Qt Core: in the beginning i loved to say thet i loved to meet people from all over the world in sl, nowadays i more often day i love to learn how provincial i am
Vendy Walpole: how do you mean Qt?
sophia Placebo: humans have desires and intersts that sprituality isnt the only player on that field and may be not the strongest
Qt Core: s in learning how many (mostly hidden) pejudices i have
Qt Core: s=as
Eliza Madrigal: back... put on coffee
Vendy Walpole: what do you do about them, try to overcome or...?
Eliza Madrigal nods to Qt. That's key. When we think we are so 'evolved' we stunt growth
sophia Placebo smells the cool coffee and her tommy start to sing
Eliza Madrigal: :))))
Qt Core: as in meeting people from over the world "really" and not only some idealization about them
Vendy Walpole: ( I should tell you to bring me one cup too Eliza)
sophia Placebo: agree with eliza
Vendy Walpole: in this case what is really?
Eliza Madrigal digs through inventory but thinks she left her teapot at the village house :)
Vendy Walpole: you can know someone even better here than in RL, no rules I think
sophia Placebo: it is easier to communicate here
Eliza Madrigal: Uh Oh, lost my teapot... hahah...such an SL doofus
Qt Core: well, you really don't ever come here if you don't want to communicate
Vendy Walpole: people open here more than in real life, there they can play a role too
Eliza Madrigal: yes maybe that's it... that we found this setting because we enjoy people and are explorative
sophia Placebo: there is this one look barrier in rl life - diffrent poeple dont talk to them except maybe hi and bye - you know poeple who come to here pab are the ones who wanted to communicate , in rl one cant tell all the time that that is the case
Eliza Madrigal: I do find that it is helping me to be more open in RL too though
--BELL--
sophia Placebo: i need to go to fill my empty stomach ! bye all
Vendy Walpole: bye
Eliza Madrigal: Bye sophia! Thanks and nice to see you today :))
Qt Core: bye sophia
sophia Placebo: we seem we wrote the same thought though almost on the sam time
Eliza Madrigal: hhaha, yes :)
Vendy Walpole: agree with you Eliza..SL can be a huge experimenting lab
Vendy Walpole: and I do use what I learn here in real life often
Qt Core: there is this basic idea, i can pull the plug whenever i want
Eliza Madrigal: Sure, and yet that is less so than I thought when I first signed on
Eliza Madrigal: For instance I'm about to meet 9 guardians?!
Vendy Walpole: thinking that people in rl becomes more as robots even, as you said "hi and how are you" behaviour and nobody does care really
Eliza Madrigal nods
Vendy Walpole: we come here to learn about other people more
Eliza Madrigal: I used to kind of shake my head at people in stores who would get caught in elaborate conversations with people they'd never see again, etc. I'm surprised at how closed I was....
Eliza Madrigal: makes me think of what you said about prejudices Qt
Qt Core: sometimes, both in sl and in rl i like to shock that kind of people honestly answering the how are you question with a bad thanks and you ;-)
Eliza Madrigal: hahaha
Vendy Walpole: I do that too Qt
Eliza Madrigal: I like "You want the absolute level answer, or the relative?"
Vendy Walpole: just to make waves in the everyday routine :))
Qt Core: if you want to be really evil, at least in italian, to the corrispondent question you can even answer with seated,standing up and so on ;-)
Eliza Madrigal shakes head and laughs
Vendy Walpole: BUT..people do not have time to listen usually about our troubles, all hurry ...somewhere
Eliza Madrigal: to get home to sign on SL
Eliza Madrigal: hehehhe
Vendy Walpole: haha
Qt Core: how are you and good, thanks has become like a verbal handshake, with no meaniings, just to synchronize the start of a business conversation
Eliza Madrigal: yes, good to pay attention to that.... to be more flexible
Eliza Madrigal: Sl and PaB specifically certainly asks that of a person
Vendy Walpole: the worst is that even children forget to communicate in real life between each other
Eliza Madrigal: "How are you" can be answered in a million ways maybe, not just "good" or "terrible"
Qt Core: and some got so flexible they mecome 2.3 meter high ;-)
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Vendy Walpole: :)
Vendy Walpole: Ok, meal time for me, I am starving
Eliza Madrigal: :) Bye Vendy, nice to see you this morning
Qt Core: bye, have a nice meal
Eliza Madrigal: And again, Welcome to PaB! :D
Vendy Walpole: Have a great weekend both of you
Vendy Walpole: Thank you, this is a pleasure
Qt Core: trying ;-0
Vendy Walpole: Byeee
Vendy Walpole: poooofs
Eliza Madrigal: :) For me it is only 11 AM and I've done much, but certainly not attended a birthday party and such
Eliza Madrigal: well, 11:11 exactly
Qt Core: 17:11 HERE
Qt Core: ops
Eliza Madrigal: My daughter is taking a big test this morning and woke the house due to being frantic
Eliza Madrigal: So consequently we are hours ahead of schedule, but yawning :)
Qt Core: wrong approach, better a quiet, feline like approach i think
Qt Core: (even if you are nor ready ;-))
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Eliza Madrigal: I'd better go too
Eliza Madrigal: Thanks for your scribing questions, btw. Good to discuss these things :)
--BELL--
Qt Core: ok, have fun and best wishes for your doughter
Eliza Madrigal: Thank you! Have a lovely evening :)