2009.10.24 07:00 - Uniqueness

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    The Guardian for this meeting was sophia Placebo. The comments are by sophia Placebo.

    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Sophia :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Sl is laggy today? You seem to be completely suspended :)
    sophia Placebo: it is my connection it is a slow one
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Vendy! :)
    sophia Placebo: the fast is not working at all today
    Vendy Walpole: Hi Eliza, Sophia
    sophia Placebo: hi eliza , vendy :)
    Eliza Madrigal: The typing seems to be okay, but movement more of an issue?
    Vendy Walpole: am I late?
    sophia Placebo: nop
    Eliza Madrigal: Not at all Vendy
    sophia Placebo: on time !
    Vendy Walpole: fine :)
    sophia Placebo: magnifisant hat eliza !
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Eliza Madrigal: Thank you :)
    Eliza Madrigal: This is my Halloween costume
    sophia Placebo: lol
    Eliza Madrigal: Eliza Doolittle
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    Vendy Walpole: You are very beautiful in it
    Eliza Madrigal: Thank you. I feel grand
    Vendy Walpole: as it was done for you
    Vendy Walpole: :)
    Vendy Walpole: yw
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, nice . Thanks :) You know I didn't consider Doolittle when I chose the name Eliza for SL
    Eliza Madrigal: but am on an Audrey kick
    Vendy Walpole: Are you from Europe or US, Eliza?
    Eliza Madrigal: We all look lovely I think. You and Sophia both have beautiful greek sandals :)
    Eliza Madrigal: US... Florida, Vendy
    Vendy Walpole: I have problem with them, do not fit perfect
    Vendy Walpole: So, you celebrate Hallowen now?
    Eliza Madrigal: Hm, May have to shrink your feet?
    Vendy Walpole: I did, its 0 seize
    Vendy Walpole: but can't be all real as we wish in SL
    Eliza Madrigal: The Macedonian video you sent is beautiful, btw Vendy
    Vendy Walpole: I am glad you like it..was the welcome from you?
    Vendy Walpole: was signed by Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Vendy Walpole: thank you
    Vendy Walpole: That is city where I was born, on the video
    Vendy Walpole: beside lake
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, nice!!
    Vendy Walpole: yes, you can imagine how was to be a child there, later we moved to another city and country
    Eliza Madrigal: I often think about the impact of early environments
    Vendy Walpole: I believe it is huge
    Vendy Walpole: and know that we are shaped until age of 5, mostly, mentally
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, that seems to be the height of plasticity? I'm happy to hear that they're finding more flexibility than they thought afterward though
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: I am imagining what it must be like to be a child amidst ancient architecture ... how it speaks
    sophia Placebo: lots of befor sleep stories!
    Vendy Walpole: I felt very close to stories of old Greeks and Romans, my grandmother used to read and tell them though
    Eliza Madrigal smiles...how enriched
    Vendy Walpole: she liked those from England as well :)
    Vendy Walpole: Peter Pan, Wendy , so I am Vendy
    sophia Placebo: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah! Mystery solved :)
    Vendy Walpole: grins
    Vendy Walpole: it is wrong spelled though
    Eliza Madrigal: Wendy with a German pronunciation?
    Eliza Madrigal: heheh
    Vendy Walpole: with Slavic
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Vendy Walpole: we say it Vendi
    Eliza Madrigal: Lovely, I like that
    Vendy Walpole: ty...Tell me about this holiday Eliza, what it means really?
    Eliza Madrigal: Halloween?
    Vendy Walpole: yes
    sophia Placebo: do you pronounce we as ve or the vice versa?
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, well for me it is just a reason to act out SL in RL
    Vendy Walpole: we do not have the letter w, just v Sophia
    Eliza Madrigal: But of course the origins are more involved...
    Vendy Walpole: Is it something connected with witches?
    Vendy Walpole: myths?
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes, festivals of the dead and such.
    Eliza Madrigal: All our holidays in the US seem to be patchworks of many things rather than representing one thing or another
    Vendy Walpole: maybe because the fact that USA consists of so many cultures ?
    Vendy Walpole: as traditions
    Vendy Walpole: I do like it
    Vendy Walpole: it enriches
    Eliza Madrigal: yes I think so. Many traditions start off with religious origins and then in order to adapt to changing cultures, etc...bring more and more in
    Eliza Madrigal: Like many things it is the attitude one brings toward it I think?
    Vendy Walpole: I agree
    Eliza Madrigal: I feel as though the US, for all its holidays, has only a few which feel very celebratory
    Vendy Walpole: 4th July? Christmas?
    Eliza Madrigal: Most are consumptive, or at least lean that way if one doesn't counter... meaning reasons to buy 'stuff'
    sophia Placebo: though homogencity may bring stasis to culture , i find poeple always wandering if it would be great if 2 cultures do similar things or agree upon similar values
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes Sophia, it is a good topic. I think both are needed. Somehow to enjoy things together without flattening
    Eliza Madrigal: too much
    Vendy Walpole: people could keep the difference in their traditions respecting others' and at the same time join them - participate in other's celebrations as guests
    Vendy Walpole: so the joy will be even better I guess
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, yes I like that "as guests"
    Eliza Madrigal: Tuning into the essential agreement while truly appreciating differences
    Vendy Walpole: guests should respect the rules in home they visits
    Eliza Madrigal nods nods
    sophia Placebo nods
    Vendy Walpole: There is a movie, Americam production, about a jewish family visit to chatolic famili during the Christmas, maybe you know it?
    Vendy Walpole: when their children engaged and they wanted to meet each other
    Vendy Walpole: It was sort of comedy but with good message
    Eliza Madrigal: Hm, do you remember the title at all, or the actors?
    Vendy Walpole: The start was not very promising
    Vendy Walpole: no
    Vendy Walpole: they could not fit with each other though did their best cause the sake of children but
    Vendy Walpole: as the story continues they accept what was "odd" to them and participated truly
    Vendy Walpole: managing to realize the Hanuka I think at the same time in the same house :)
    Eliza Madrigal: I've known many families where the father/mother were of different traditions and faiths, who make the diversity work very well. In my own house we try to add things from many places during the holidays
    Vendy Walpole: two traditions under one roof
    Eliza Madrigal: What makes it difficult at times is for the extended families... the older generations
    Eliza Madrigal: who get a bit um...territorial :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Film is a great medium to address some of these things
    Qt Core: hi all
    Eliza Madrigal: through humor especially
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Qt :)
    sophia Placebo: i had this feeling when someone for example told me that it is shame muslims left some of thheir traditions behind and if they become more like sufis it would be great and i was thinking why should we ? i mean if you like sufis go and hang with them lol no one would object on that , really dont like the -we should all look like cars coming from same factory same desgine-
    Vendy Walpole: yes, this one did it in light way
    sophia Placebo: hi qt
    Vendy Walpole: Hi Qt
    Eliza Madrigal: haha Sophia, yes
    Eliza Madrigal: We don't want to lose uniqueness and flavor
    Vendy Walpole: That will make the world dul lplace, I think
    Vendy Walpole: dull*
    Eliza Madrigal: But along with that, it is good to dwell on our essential oneness?
    sophia Placebo: being humans ? sure
    Eliza Madrigal: I think when we appreciate that really, we're not afraid of differences
    Qt Core: insisting to be unique to the limit of becoming alone, eliza ?
    sophia Placebo: how it would make it dul vendy?
    Eliza Madrigal: that can happen too, Qt, sure
    Vendy Walpole: If we all lose our uniqnues
    Vendy Walpole: uniqueness
    Eliza Madrigal: We were talking about holidays and cultural differences mostly
    Eliza Madrigal: And well... in the back of my mind, I'm thinking of food :)
    Qt Core: interesting topic
    sophia Placebo: hehe
    sophia Placebo: im thinking of food too -hungey -
    Eliza Madrigal: heheh
    Qt Core: (just got home from a birthday lunch party, my mother's 80th)
    Eliza Madrigal: wow, Congrats to your mother Qt
    Eliza Madrigal: 80 years :) Nice
    Vendy Walpole nods
    sophia Placebo: ohh :) congrats for your mother ! hope you snd her a nice gift
    Eliza Madrigal considers how much she's seen change in that time
    Vendy Walpole: I wonder what does she think of this time now
    Eliza Madrigal: hmm
    Qt Core: we just spoken aboout that last night, speaking about programming, she was a programmer in the '60
    sophia Placebo: uniqueness dosnt mean lonley , you can be dull still alone : nothing more to give and nothing to recive
    Eliza Madrigal: ! you've got tech genes Qt
    sophia Placebo: hehe
    Vendy Walpole: I think the same Sophie, you can know where are your roots and keep them close but be open to share
    Vendy Walpole: and learn
    Qt Core: it depend on your uniqueness type too, a social or an asocial one ;-)
    Eliza Madrigal nods... Appreciation :)
    sophia Placebo: agrees with vendy
    Qt Core: you know, i really think that, i started being a programmer before knopwing she was one (i knew her as a nath professor only)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Qt Core: nath=math
    Eliza Madrigal could have used a few math professors in her background
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    Vendy Walpole: This growth of computers' world must be fascinating for her too?
    Vendy Walpole: Earlier it was expected there would be only a few computers in the world :))
    sophia Placebo: there is predjuce -hope i spell it right - where one think he is superior and act upon that
    sophia Placebo: re qt social and asocial uniqueness *
    Eliza Madrigal: so fascinating... this internet and cultural web and its current reaches. There's an analogy "Indra's Net" where each jewel reflects all the others and yet is still rare and precious as itself... that the diversity enhances the uniqueness and visa versa
    Qt Core: she didn;t use them for many years and now she has great troubles as she thingk about them with her '60 approach and have a difficoult time with what they can do now
    Eliza Madrigal: Pema mentioned PaB that way once
    Vendy Walpole: Not long time ago I could not believe that phones will become movable or even as small computers..so, I can understnd her confusion
    Eliza Madrigal remembers the huge car phones
    Eliza Madrigal: hehe
    Qt Core: you know like if you bring Leonardo from his century and show him just a "simple" modern car
    sophia Placebo thinking of witches of the medival era
    Eliza Madrigal: some visionaries would not be too surprised I think... maybe even disappointed that we'd not solved some basic things yet
    Vendy Walpole: Regarding the diversity of backgrounds we all come from..it is interesting that 9my opinion) our true core does not differs much, we are with similar desires, fears, dreams...coming from India or USA or ex Yugoslavia
    Vendy Walpole: and it confirms that we are all part of the oneness :)
    Qt Core: as for a rude quote of mine ... we all use the same toilet paper
    Vendy Walpole: hahaha
    sophia Placebo: hehe
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, that is certainly how I feel too. If we at least try to see our differences in a light and appreciative way, then they can enhance our lives
    Eliza Madrigal giggles at Qt
    Vendy Walpole: muliticultural societies can be very inyteresting thought they are like a barrel with gas, waiting to explode (as it is on Balcan)
    Eliza Madrigal: Knowing our ignorance is important. I like your profile quote Sophia, which I read this morning : "-I Dont Know -is half The Knowladge."
    sophia Placebo: true , they had that potential
    Eliza Madrigal: brb
    Vendy Walpole: hope te spiritual growth will overcome the potential of explosion
    sophia Placebo: i like it too eliza , it makes it easier for me to admit that i dont know
    Qt Core: in the beginning i loved to say thet i loved to meet people from all over the world in sl, nowadays i more often day i love to learn how provincial i am
    Vendy Walpole: how do you mean Qt?
    sophia Placebo: humans have desires and intersts that sprituality isnt the only player on that field and may be not the strongest
    Qt Core: s in learning how many (mostly hidden) pejudices i have
    Qt Core: s=as
    Eliza Madrigal: back... put on coffee
    Vendy Walpole: what do you do about them, try to overcome or...?
    Eliza Madrigal nods to Qt. That's key. When we think we are so 'evolved' we stunt growth
    sophia Placebo smells the cool coffee and her tommy start to sing
    Eliza Madrigal: :))))
    Qt Core: as in meeting people from over the world "really" and not only some idealization about them
    Vendy Walpole: ( I should tell you to bring me one cup too Eliza)
    sophia Placebo: agree with eliza
    Vendy Walpole: in this case what is really?
    Eliza Madrigal digs through inventory but thinks she left her teapot at the village house :)
    Vendy Walpole: you can know someone even better here than in RL, no rules I think
    sophia Placebo: it is easier to communicate here
    Eliza Madrigal: Uh Oh, lost my teapot... hahah...such an SL doofus
    Qt Core: well, you really don't ever come here if you don't want to communicate
    Vendy Walpole: people open here more than in real life, there they can play a role too
    Eliza Madrigal: yes maybe that's it... that we found this setting because we enjoy people and are explorative
    sophia Placebo: there is this one look barrier in rl life - diffrent poeple dont talk to them except maybe hi and bye - you know poeple who come to here pab are the ones who wanted to communicate , in rl one cant tell all the time that that is the case
    Eliza Madrigal: I do find that it is helping me to be more open in RL too though
    sophia Placebo: i need to go to fill my empty stomach ! bye all
    Vendy Walpole: bye
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye sophia! Thanks and nice to see you today :))
    Qt Core: bye sophia
    sophia Placebo: we seem we wrote the same thought though almost on the sam time
    Eliza Madrigal: hhaha, yes :)
    Vendy Walpole: agree with you Eliza..SL can be a huge experimenting lab
    Vendy Walpole: and I do use what I learn here in real life often
    Qt Core: there is this basic idea, i can pull the plug whenever i want
    Eliza Madrigal: Sure, and yet that is less so than I thought when I first signed on
    Eliza Madrigal: For instance I'm about to meet 9 guardians?!
    Vendy Walpole: thinking that people in rl becomes more as robots even, as you said "hi and how are you" behaviour and nobody does care really
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Vendy Walpole: we come here to learn about other people more
    Eliza Madrigal: I used to kind of shake my head at people in stores who would get caught in elaborate conversations with people they'd never see again, etc. I'm surprised at how closed I was....
    Eliza Madrigal: makes me think of what you said about prejudices Qt
    Qt Core: sometimes, both in sl and in rl i like to shock that kind of people honestly answering the how are you question with a bad thanks and you ;-)
    Eliza Madrigal: hahaha
    Vendy Walpole: I do that too Qt
    Eliza Madrigal: I like "You want the absolute level answer, or the relative?"
    Vendy Walpole: just to make waves in the everyday routine :))
    Qt Core: if you want to be really evil, at least in italian, to the corrispondent question you can even answer with seated,standing up and so on ;-)
    Eliza Madrigal shakes head and laughs
    Vendy Walpole: BUT..people do not have time to listen usually about our troubles, all hurry ...somewhere
    Eliza Madrigal: to get home to sign on SL
    Eliza Madrigal: hehehhe
    Vendy Walpole: haha
    Qt Core: how are you and good, thanks has become like a verbal handshake, with no meaniings, just to synchronize the start of a business conversation
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, good to pay attention to that.... to be more flexible
    Eliza Madrigal: Sl and PaB specifically certainly asks that of a person
    Vendy Walpole: the worst is that even children forget to communicate in real life between each other
    Eliza Madrigal: "How are you" can be answered in a million ways maybe, not just "good" or "terrible"
    Qt Core: and some got so flexible they mecome 2.3 meter high ;-)
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Vendy Walpole: :)
    Vendy Walpole: Ok, meal time for me, I am starving
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Bye Vendy, nice to see you this morning
    Qt Core: bye, have a nice meal
    Eliza Madrigal: And again, Welcome to PaB! :D
    Vendy Walpole: Have a great weekend both of you
    Vendy Walpole: Thank you, this is a pleasure
    Qt Core: trying ;-0
    Vendy Walpole: Byeee
    Vendy Walpole: poooofs
    Eliza Madrigal: :) For me it is only 11 AM and I've done much, but certainly not attended a birthday party and such
    Eliza Madrigal: well, 11:11 exactly
    Qt Core: 17:11 HERE
    Qt Core: ops
    Eliza Madrigal: My daughter is taking a big test this morning and woke the house due to being frantic
    Eliza Madrigal: So consequently we are hours ahead of schedule, but yawning :)
    Qt Core: wrong approach, better a quiet, feline like approach i think
    Qt Core: (even if you are nor ready ;-))
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Eliza Madrigal: I'd better go too
    Eliza Madrigal: Thanks for your scribing questions, btw. Good to discuss these things :)
    Qt Core: ok, have fun and best wishes for your doughter
    Eliza Madrigal: Thank you! Have a lovely evening :)
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