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2011.12.09 07:00 - Beliefs
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No headersThe guardian for this session was Lucinda Lavender and attending were Jan Qualia,
Eliza Madrigal, Sam,Arch, and Santoshima. I did not get any text in the link I claimed so I posted from saved text. Thanks everyone for bearing with my topic. Also...later decided to remove timestamps...
Eliza Madrigal: Thanks so much Maxine
Adams Rubble: thank you maxine :)
Eliza Madrigal: many muses offered today
Maxine Walden: thank you all!!
Lucinda Lavender: I will try hard to make it...
Adams Rubble: bye everyone :)
Maxine Walden: lovely to see you, Luci
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Adams :)
Jan Qualia: bye Maxine, Adama
Jan Qualia: Hi Luci
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): Thank you Maxine... Bye Adams
Jan Qualia: that Schermer video revived my skepticism
Lucinda Lavender: oddly unable to claim...
Jan Qualia: funny how we are influenced by what we read and watch
Eliza Madrigal: the fire makes it tricky, Luci
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): is your group activated Luci?
Jan Qualia: but it has to resonate I guess
Eliza Madrigal: have to carefully click the flower and then actually 'touch'
Eliza Madrigal: or at least that's what worked for me after several tries
Eliza Madrigal: Jan, I have to admit I haven't seen the video you are referencing
Lucinda Lavender: ok now:)
Eliza Madrigal: that I remember right now anyway
Jan Qualia: oh thought you had
Eliza Madrigal: :) Luci
Eliza Madrigal: Hello Arch :)
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): Hi Arch
Jan Qualia: Yaku gave the link the other day
Lucinda Lavender: HI Arch
Eliza Madrigal: oh, yes I saved that
Jan Qualia: Hi Arch
Eliza Madrigal: lots of accumulations :)
Arch (archmage.atlantis): apologize
Arch (archmage.atlantis): self
Arch (archmage.atlantis): ummm
Arch (archmage.atlantis): listening to Lsy Gaga
Arch (archmage.atlantis): a moment
Jan Qualia: http://www.ted.com/talks/michael_shermer_the_pattern_behind_self_deception.html#.Tt-16-rnQiE.facebook
Arch (archmage.atlantis): You are
Lucinda Lavender: thanks Jan:)
Arch (archmage.atlantis): going to Jan's link
Jan Qualia: I found the bit near the end ...about how humans look for patterns and aganticity very interesting
Jan Qualia: agenticity
Jan Qualia: if we hear a rustle in the grass it is safer to assume it is a predator...we are more likely to survive then
Arch (archmage.atlantis): Chester.....the cat who came to be with me...seems to be
Jan Qualia: but then we look for meanings and patterns in everything too much
Lucinda Lavender: Luci has appreciation for this link since she is pondering what she believes
Eliza Madrigal: oh?
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): It is a tradition as long as human history..
Lucinda Lavender: yep
Lucinda Lavender: and even dreamed of it recently
Jan Qualia: it's about trying gto stay opne but still having a healthy skeoticism I guess
Jan Qualia: open
Jan Qualia: yes Sam
Lucinda Lavender: I can do the skepticism and then the believing too it seems
Jan Qualia: that's what we need
Lucinda Lavender: ARch my syvie has joined us as well
Eliza Madrigal: "Beyond the beliefs of any religion, there is the truth of the human spirit.
Beyond the power of nations, there is the power of the human heart." Tarthang Tulku
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): me wonders if scientific method, sometimes undermines meaning in people's lives as with cargo cult dissolution/dispossesion of certain cultures' beliefs.. saddening in a way.. something to do with speed and hastiness..
Jan Qualia: nice E;iza
Eliza Madrigal: such a sensitive point Sam
Jan Qualia: yes there is a danger of scientism too
Jan Qualia: I ried to convey that in my poem for art thing
Lucinda Lavender: nice Jan
Eliza Madrigal: beyond doesn't imply doing away with or degradading cultures in a sense
Arch (archmage.atlantis): Type one and type two errors
Jan Qualia: yes
Arch (archmage.atlantis): inteesting
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): maybbe beyond is returning to essential connections
Eliza Madrigal: something is there, presented in appreciation, allowing not taking so seriously/weightily, therefore (kind of) beyond
Lucinda Lavender: can you say it again about"beyond"?
Arch (archmage.atlantis): The pattern I am most aware of are the patterns my Mom and my Dad gave me
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): [07:10] Eliza Madrigal: "Beyond the beliefs of any religion, there is the truth of the human spirit.
Beyond the power of nations, there is the power of the human heart." Tarthang Tulku
Lucinda Lavender: thanks!
Eliza Madrigal: this quote, funnily enough, was on the wall of the Malta farmhouse when the group retreated there
Lucinda Lavender: really...
Eliza Madrigal: hope it is accurate, just pulled it from a different website
Jan Qualia: humans have a great thirst for meaning and beliefs though I think
Eliza Madrigal: and yes, Ara had not seen it when she arranged the place
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Lucinda Lavender: Luci is wondering several things
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): Sam√∫√∞ is listening to luci ;)
Lucinda Lavender: is dopamine released during sleep?
Arch (archmage.atlantis): yes, me too, Sam
Lucinda Lavender: towards waking..when dreams are surfacing
Lucinda Lavender: because I was thinking that perhaps it helps us to make connections with the patterns of the greater experience of the world
Jan Qualia: if there any :)
Jan Qualia: mayb it's just a great random event?
Lucinda Lavender: Luci finds patterns that jive with the morning news sometimes
Jan Qualia: that we superimpose pattern onto
Jan Qualia: trying to 'make sense' of it
Jan Qualia: Hi San :)
Lucinda Lavender: welll...last week when the goverment stopped a lot of marijuana coming into the US...I dreamed my husband and I were bringing huge quantitiies into the country that looked like coupon books but were the substance...
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Jan Qualia: coupon books?
Lucinda Lavender: and we were bringing it from canada in the dream...
Lucinda Lavender: it looked like money too...
Lucinda Lavender: wrapped up
Lucinda Lavender: I have no personal connection with the drug
Jan Qualia: illicit smugglig dreams :)
Eliza Madrigal: hehe
Lucinda Lavender: yes totally unrelated to me...
Lucinda Lavender: the story...
[Lucinda Lavender: so noticeable
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): Sam√∫√∞ thinks, "complicit snuggling dream" :)
Jan Qualia: :) Sam
Eliza Madrigal: related, I heard this song for the first time yesterday: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akvu1AOnUIw
Lucinda Lavender: the newpaper had a picture too that showed people with a huge influx of cash...different story than the drug one...
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): clicks
Eliza Madrigal: Hi San :)
Eliza Madrigal: nice to linger, open(beyond), before patterns kick in strongly and carry us away
San (santoshima): hi Sam, Luci, Eliza, Arch, Jan ~
Eliza Madrigal: I suppose that's a way of getting high Luci :))
Lucinda Lavender: nods...perhaps so
Eliza Madrigal: out in the resourceful open
Jan Qualia: havig to watch ads
Eliza Madrigal: sorry for ads jan, would veto them if I could :)
Jan Qualia: they are doing this too much these days
Jan Qualia: not your fault Eliza :)
Jan Qualia: 'who says I can't gret stoned ' :)
Eliza Madrigal: Eliza Madrigal laughs
Jan Qualia: you're a bad influence Eliza ;)
Eliza Madrigal: ^^
Eliza Madrigal: I didn't bring it into the country, luci did
Sam: :)
Jan Qualia: ha ha
Lucinda Lavender: ...:)
Jan Qualia: Luci only dreamed about it
Lucinda Lavender: Luci thinks that when a big story hits the news and it converges in time with an odd dream there is a pattern
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): Nice video Eliza.. thanks ::passes Jan a coupon book::
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Lucinda Lavender: :)
Jan Qualia: Jan doesn't know what it is..
San (santoshima): nor does san
(I think I did not explain here that a coupon book looks like money all stacked up, green, attached by a perforated edge binding)
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Arch (archmage.atlantis): Any significant dreams lately Lucinda?
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Jan Qualia: thinks drug trafficking is significat enough
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): "[07:21] Lucinda Lavender: welll...last week when the goverment stopped a lot of marijuana coming into the US...I dreamed my husband and I were bringing huge quantitiies into the country that looked like coupon books but were the substance..."
San (santoshima): got that sam
San (santoshima): check
(Now I mention another dream...in response to arch asking about this...)
Lucinda Lavender: the one where I tell other dreamers that I do not believed in astrology...so much...
Lucinda Lavender: in a bit of a reorganization belief wise
Arch (archmage.atlantis): I believe
Arch (archmage.atlantis): In all
Jan Qualia: best to drop beliefs?
San (santoshima): what's the meaning of the dream for you, luci?
Arch (archmage.atlantis): As I often tell those in science
Lucinda Lavender: that there is some kind of change going on in my ability to identify truth in astrology
Arch (archmage.atlantis): what part of infinity do you not understand
Jan Qualia: all of it
Eliza Madrigal: maybe a vehicle for a certain journey for you Luci
Lucinda Lavender: have always argued in my head about astrology
Lucinda Lavender: and just telling the truth here
San (santoshima): http://www.paulsix.com
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): sounds like open mindedness at work
Arch (archmage.atlantis): This is like a tea room in Savannah
Lucinda Lavender: :)))
Lucinda Lavender: Arch..:)
Jan Qualia: maybe it is whatyou bring to it rather then what it symbolizes Luci?
San (santoshima): ?
Eliza Madrigal: Eliza Madrigal nods @ Jan
Jan Qualia: sips tea
Lucinda Lavender: how can the universe be organized by cultural stories that people on this planet generate?
Jan Qualia: yeh
Jan Qualia:summarizes that poem I wrote
Eliza Madrigal: I look back at all the 'beliefs' I've had, most of them ropes that eventually unraveled into something else eventually, incorporated, useful
Lucinda Lavender: the archtypal stories are true in some way...yet ... you see I have looked for patterns in dreams determined by the stars...for 10 years...
Jan Qualia: some could be narrowing us ?
San (santoshima): "dreams determined by the stars ..."please explain what you mean
an Qualia: closig us in?
Lucinda Lavender: on the morning of the dream aspects of the planets are noted and especially the degrees and placement of the moon
Lucinda Lavender: for patterns
[Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): so.. stepping out of that canoe with astrology and looking back on that 10 year journey, and to what shore arrived upon..
Lucinda Lavender: good question Jan
Lucinda Lavender: yes
Lucinda Lavender: Sam
San (santoshima): as a question
San (santoshima): what shore? are you arriving on
Jan Qualia: beliefs generally are fixed things
Jan Qualia: and life is constant change
San (santoshima): the shore of non belief in the astrology system you relied on?
Arch (archmage.atlantis):
I am a being
hear me be
a cat am I
a little piget boar
I am
therefore I be
born as male
with authority
Butt my Mom
she set me strght
tho I am gay
I love her tday
Jan Qualia: ty Ach :)
San (santoshima): thanks, arch
Eliza Madrigal: :) Arch
Eliza Madrigal: actually, the early notion of belief is along the lines of love or devotion.. just becomes solidified
Lucinda Lavender: not sure...what the shore is...San is probably putting it correctly.
Lucinda Lavender: maybe I am grieving
Jan Qualia: wonders if love can be solidified...though constancy in love is good?
Eliza Madrigal: ((((Luci)))))
San (santoshima): grief in the dream isn't so very evident
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): Sam√∫√∞ feels overlapping waves reaching the shore... loves Arch today too, and feels devotion for the wide expanses of unknowns
Eliza Madrigal: yes
San (santoshima): can you say?
an Qualia: we grieve our loss of beliefs for sure
Lucinda Lavender: yes Jan..
[Jan Qualia: they can be so comforting and reassuring
Jan Qualia: an anchor in a sea of flux
Lucinda Lavender: and loss of the containment that comes with being in groups that are organized around something
Jan Qualia: something to hold onto
Eliza Madrigal: mmm
Jan Qualia: seems preferable to groundlessness
Eliza Madrigal: when I saw the horseshoe that my Meme placed above the door, I didn't believe in it but her and that evoked something else
San (santoshima): what's "meme"?
Jan Qualia: well groups form from similar belief structures i guess
Lucinda Lavender: hmmm
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): :)))
Jan Qualia: birds of a feather
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): Meme's memes
Eliza Madrigal: sorry, yes confusing... I should say great grandmother but so long to type :)
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Lucinda Lavender: chickens...
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Arch (archmage.atlantis): meme can be heard as an idea that is like a gene,,,, a
Jan Qualia: yes
San (santoshima): well, was asking for elizas definition
Eliza Madrigal: perhaps the forms empty Luci, open to something else...
San (santoshima): as it otherwise didn't make sense
San (santoshima): to what she was saying
Eliza Madrigal: Eliza Madrigal nods
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): imen12 is sure in two minds today
Arch (archmage.atlantis): hve to go
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): Namaste Arch!
Arch (archmage.atlantis): later, blessings and namaste
Jan Qualia: bye Arch :)
Lucinda Lavender: hmmmback
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): Thanks for the poem !
San (santoshima): peace, Arch ~
Lucinda Lavender: well..27 degrees out!
San (santoshima): sam, what's imen12 ?
Jan Qualia: is quietly imposing patterns on her reality
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Lucinda Lavender: :) Luci too Jan
Jan Qualia: but they don't take :(
Lucinda Lavender: I think for some reason I have to choose sides?
Lucinda Lavender: odd feeling...cannot fully drop yet cannot fully carry
Jan Qualia: dualistic notins
Jan Qualia: must be one or the other
Eliza Madrigal: conflicting loyalties
Jan Qualia: why not both?
Jan Qualia: all of it
Eliza Madrigal: Like the little stream
Making its way
Through the mossy crevices
I, too, quietly
Turn clear and transparent.
-Ryokan
Lucinda Lavender: nice
Jan Qualia: yep nice :)
San (santoshima): thank you ~
Eliza Madrigal: Bye San :)
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): social connections and wider affiliations, while leaving certain ways of knowing for growth.. yet sometimes cliqueish, almost religious adherence within circles...
San (santoshima): cliques, sam?
Lucinda Lavender: yes sam
San (santoshima): like this circle?
Jan Qualia: bye SanSan (santoshima): bye
Lucinda Lavender: friendship based around study together
Lucinda Lavender: around containing together
Jan Qualia: sparrows never congregate with starlings
Eliza Madrigal: each time I've tried to throw myself at a religion it spits me out
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): lol
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): odd communion
Eliza Madrigal: heheh
Jan Qualia: 'the lamb can lie down with the lion.....but it won't get much sleep'
Jan Qualia: Woody Allan
Eliza Madrigal: Eliza Madrigal giggles
Lucinda Lavender: :))) Lucinda Lavender: chucking!!!
Lucinda Lavender: chucling!
Lucinda Lavender: chuckling
Lucinda Lavender: (not spelling)
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): :)
Jan Qualia: cos we are all unique
Jan Qualia: never quite fit into any religion
Jan Qualia: we have our own unique take on life
Lucinda Lavender: yes...well thanks for patient listening...
Lucinda Lavender: and sharing
Jan Qualia: and we have to allw it to change and grow
Jan Qualia: or whatever
Lucinda Lavender: or sail to a new shore
Jan Qualia: getting preachy
Jan Qualia: so better go :)
Lucinda Lavender: breathe well:)
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): Steady there Jan.. go easy on the coupon book ;)
Eliza Madrigal: :) Thanks so much Luci, for sharing your personal journey
Eliza Madrigal: :))Bye jan
Eliza Madrigal: nice to see you
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): me thinks Jan has the munchies
Lucinda Lavender: thanks Jan
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): tc Jan
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Jan Qualia: trying new AO :)
Eliza Madrigal: Eliza Madrigal thinks of Woody Allen's 'life lived backwards'
Jan Qualia: bye
Lucinda Lavender: I have to go scrape the windows of the van!!
Lucinda Lavender: yakes...so many windows
Eliza Madrigal: ooooo!
Lucinda Lavender: hmmmthansk eliza and Sam
Lucinda Lavender: and fire
Eliza Madrigal: (((Luci))) nice to spend time today
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): :)) Luci!
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Lucinda Lavender: of to the scaper..
Lucinda Lavender: scraper
Eliza Madrigal: unfreezing the view
Lucinda Lavender: :)))
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): :))
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Lucinda Lavender: yes!!!
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): thawing
Lucinda Lavender: :)
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): getting an upper arm workout
Eliza Madrigal: mmm chip chip chip away drip drip drip away
Lucinda Lavender: ...bfn:)
Eliza Madrigal: bfn :)
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): bfn :)
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