The Guardian for this meeting was Riddle Sideways. The comments are by Riddle Sideways.  Joined by Darren, Obserum and Alfred.

Riddle Sideways: No Bodies here, but...

Riddle Sideways: Thank you Sam for the magic Menorah that
Riddle Sideways: either script-ly knows the date and lights the correct candle at SLT sundown
Riddle Sideways: or you come and light the next candle each day
Riddle Sideways: Some workings of SL and the inhabitants are better if not known.

Riddle Sideways: Thank you, Aph for the school of fishies :)
Riddle Sideways: was reading of some others that have sat on them
                     --BELL-- 
Riddle Sideways: does not seem to hurt them
Riddle Sideways: and they give a circular ride

Darren Islar: hi Riddle
Riddle Sideways: Hey Darren
Riddle Sideways: long time not chatting
Riddle Sideways: was just playing
Darren Islar: yeah, I'm afraid sl is busy at the moment .... I notice :)
Riddle Sideways: what kinda stuff you doing in SL
Riddle Sideways: ?
Darren Islar: well, we have the group on Monday ...I have a gf and I'm involved in a few role plays
Riddle Sideways: busy
Darren Islar: I guess I needed to taste 'normal' life ... still do
Riddle Sideways: is the monday group the role playing
Riddle Sideways: hehehe, which normal :)
Darren Islar: no, the Monday group is the Original Face group, Call and I facilitate
Riddle Sideways: riding a school of fishies in circles could be normal for ... umm do not know who
Darren Islar: on Calls plot
Darren Islar: hehehe
Riddle Sideways: oh, that is right
Darren Islar: it's why I put 'normal' between quotes
Riddle Sideways: :)
Riddle Sideways: is gf in SL or RL ?
Darren Islar: but those role plays are situations in which I get triggered a lot .... it has learned me a lot about myself
Riddle Sideways: (if not too personal)
Darren Islar: about my irritations, my buttons, my anger
Darren Islar: sl
Darren Islar: you know I'm a woman, this gf I have is with Darren
Riddle Sideways: ah yes, good to revisit those places
Darren Islar: yes :)
Riddle Sideways: think those places, buttons, whatevers move around over time
Darren Islar: hmmmm, yes, but some go back a long time
Darren Islar: those buttons wear different jackets but .... well

Riddle Sideways: Hi Observem, long time no see
Darren Islar: hi Obs :)
Riddle Sideways: have 'known' both of you for some time
Riddle Sideways: and still do not know much about you
Darren Islar: I see, er .... is he hiding ... observing in the bushes?
Riddle Sideways: it is ok, to observe
Darren Islar: okay
Riddle Sideways: it bothers some others
Darren Islar: it feels weird yes
Riddle Sideways: but so do other things bother each of us differently
Darren Islar: [Alessandro] nods
Riddle Sideways: have never known the RL gender of either of you, and it really does not matter
Riddle Sideways: have not the curiousity
Darren Islar: but it's different then just reading a log, it is different to him as well, since otherwise he would read the log
                     --BELL-- 
             Observem moves 55m away.
Riddle Sideways: feeling that we just chased Observ away
Darren Islar: gender is not important, unless you do something with it that you can't do in sl, since you asked about my gf ....
Riddle Sideways: Observus does not like to be talked about
Darren Islar: hmmmmm... I understand, but he's bound to this way
Riddle Sideways: exactly, gender not mater
Darren Islar: hehehe
Darren Islar: I didn't mean to scare him of, I just said what I felt
Riddle Sideways: true
Riddle Sideways: wondering about pronoun-ing Observ as he/him
Darren Islar nods
Darren Islar: I just responded to a thread ... if we don't know, we use 'he'
Riddle Sideways: like in hebrew :)
Riddle Sideways: sorry, am being sensitive
Riddle Sideways: due to spending last week with several gender studies people
Darren Islar: what do you mean sensitive
Riddle Sideways: the selection of words to put into any sentence
Darren Islar: ah ... well, maybe you should read my post :)
Darren Islar nods ... I refer exactly to that :)
Riddle Sideways: ur;?
Riddle Sideways: url?
Darren Islar: e-mail
Riddle Sideways: ok
Darren Islar: pab e-mail
Darren Islar: liza deischer
Riddle Sideways: ohhhhh, there is new email to read :))
Darren Islar: hahaha ... on the 'we' discussion
Riddle Sideways: will read it siin
Riddle Sideways: *soon
Darren Islar nods
Riddle Sideways: typist problem, kitty in face
Darren Islar: if I read something unreadable, I take it it's the cat :)

Darren Islar: I have been sensitive for using he and she for a long time
Riddle Sideways: have meant to write a long distortation on pronouns too
Riddle Sideways: Hiya Boxy
Alfred Kelberry: hi :)
Darren Islar: hey Boxy :)
Alfred Kelberry: cute elephant, leaping darren :)
Darren Islar: what do you think Riddle, is boxy a he or a she
Darren Islar: elephant?
Riddle Sideways: does not matter
Alfred Kelberry: yes, that's riddle
Alfred Kelberry: i'm a robopup
Alfred Kelberry: wuff!
Alfred Kelberry: :P
Riddle Sideways: sometimes, Riddle is the little elephant
Alfred Kelberry: a cute one
Riddle Sideways: and sometimes the gender-less swirl of colors
Alfred Kelberry: ah, true
Darren Islar: ah ... and why is he the little elephant, sometimes ... oh no doubt he's cute
Riddle Sideways: not sure what mood makes the selection of avi
Alfred Kelberry: how's your christmasy spirit folks?
             GoC switches Av to tiny elephant.
Darren Islar: ohw.. and elephant-avi
Darren Islar smiles at boxy ... boxy, we have a nice little pillow for you right in between us :)
Alfred Kelberry: i'm ok, thank you :)
Darren Islar: hehehe ... thought so :)
Riddle Sideways: very laggy today
Alfred Kelberry: tada!
Alfred Kelberry: there he is - the cute elephant :)
Darren Islar: ah yes, cute little elephant :)
Riddle Sideways: got it first
                     --BELL-- 
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Darren Islar smiles at a winking elephant and a ear-flapping dog
Riddle Sideways: yes, quite the scene
Darren Islar: what shall I do?
Riddle Sideways: is it hard having serius conversation with us
Darren Islar: what can I do?
Darren Islar: I have a tiny av myself, on another av, to me it feels quite different
Riddle Sideways: yes, each av seems different
Darren Islar: it represents a different mood to me
Riddle Sideways: really liked the Avi Art project

Alfred Kelberry: riddle, are you traveling? or back home?
Riddle Sideways: got home 2 days ago
Riddle Sideways: how about you, boxy
Alfred Kelberry: neat
Riddle Sideways: are you home?
Alfred Kelberry: got home 2 weeks ago :)
Darren Islar: traveling ? to where?
Alfred Kelberry: and leaving soon again
Riddle Sideways: oooo, where too?
Alfred Kelberry: visiting friends for holidays
Darren Islar: ohw .... in Holland we do that in one day :)
Riddle Sideways: btw, can either of you start the fish circling again
Alfred Kelberry: yep, on a bike :)
Riddle Sideways: do not know what happened
Darren Islar: hahaha
Alfred Kelberry: fish what?
Darren Islar: no, we do use a car :)
Darren Islar: sometimes
Riddle Sideways: or could use computer :)
Darren Islar: ah yes ... most of the times actually
         Avy Runner starts to rez, but has trouble
Riddle Sideways: is Avi Runner here or not ??
Alfred Kelberry: can't hug as good via computer :)
Riddle Sideways: true
Darren Islar: I will log, see if Avy can rezz without me
Darren Islar: yes
Alfred Kelberry: avy!
Avy Runner: hey boxy :)
Alfred Kelberry: this is quickly becoming a tiny session :)

Riddle Sideways: :)))))
Avy Runner: I will relog, I'm not rezzing well
Avy Runner: hehehe
Riddle Sideways: have really wished to have a cloud avi
Riddle Sideways: like the rez cloud
Riddle Sideways: can not find how to do it
         Anybody reading this happen to know how to create/build/buy/do/etc. a cloud avi?
Riddle Sideways: anyway, the purple and little fish were circling this morning
Riddle Sideways: until clicked on
Alfred Kelberry: they still do
Riddle Sideways: and the draddle spins, but badly

Alfred Kelberry: hope woly's dad is fine
Alfred Kelberry: they had to take him to a hospital yesterday
Riddle Sideways: ? did not read about Woly's dad
Alfred Kelberry: wb, avy :)
Riddle Sideways: hope is ok, too
Avy Runner: thanks :)
Alfred Kelberry: avy the cloud :)
Avy Runner: who is taken to hospital? Wols' father?
Alfred Kelberry: yes
Avy Runner: yeah ... sorry about that
Avy Runner: is it serious?
Alfred Kelberry: no, doesn't seem to be
Avy Runner: ah... okay
Riddle Sideways: good,
Riddle Sideways: Avy, how do you keep a cloud ?
Avy Runner: darn, why am I a cloud
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Avy Runner: I don't :)
Alfred Kelberry: riddle wants a cloud av
Riddle Sideways: seems you can be a cloud if you don't want to be
Riddle Sideways: and can not be one if you want it
Avy Runner: I've never seen this as av, but I think there will be could av's around
                     --BELL-- 
Alfred Kelberry: ah, yes. a paradox. or a universal rule.
Riddle Sideways: catch 22
Avy Runner: I think I'm pretty much ruthed
Avy Runner: in a tiny way that is :)
Riddle Sideways: well, cloud is pre-ruth ?
Avy Runner: yeah .... something like that, it all starts with energy, then you get ruthed, then time will develop a penis or not :)
Riddle Sideways: lol
         Reminds of a story from last week.
         At yet another lunch out table the subject of Briggs Myers results comes up.
         About how at a recent sharing of results it was remarked about how much P-ness Audrey had.
         The whole class was surprised that she had so much P-ness.

Avy Runner: I need to go to viewer 2, I'm ruthed
Riddle Sideways: maybe, cloud/ruth/avy is a viewer 1 thing
Riddle Sideways: oh, hello Avy
Riddle Sideways: is Avy's av a mesh?
Avy Runner: no, it's pre-mesh
Avy Runner: but I can't load the shape
Avy Runner: or the skin, but here I go
Riddle Sideways: seems rezed now
Avy Runner: in my viewer I'm still a cloud :)
Riddle Sideways: little lego person is rezzed to my viewer 2
Riddle Sideways: well, there is now a level cuteness in this group of avs that is ....
Avy Runner: well, okay then :)
Avy Runner: hehehe
Riddle Sideways: [open to suggestions for discription]
Avy Runner: maybe you can include a cute picture of us :)
Riddle Sideways: just took it, ty

Avy Runner: great :)
Avy Runner: a tiny conversation on genders?
Riddle Sideways: oh and on todo list is to see the photos of your fun session, boxy
Avy Runner: subtitle: or the lack of it
Riddle Sideways: read the log, but not seen the pics
Avy Runner: he seems to be afk
Riddle Sideways: ok, thanks for the title
Riddle Sideways: :)
Avy Runner: yw

Riddle Sideways: btw, new pronouns are: "Zee" for he/she and 'Here" for her/him
Avy Runner: okay ... let;s get that on the next guardian meeting :)
Riddle Sideways: takes much time to get comfortable with substitution
Riddle Sideways: please, no rulings :)
             oh dear, did that come out loud :)
Avy Runner: hahaha
Avy Runner: well, I do hope they will understand us then
Avy Runner: we and us will make that problem smaller .... erm....
Riddle Sideways: sometimes to some people comes understanding through repeated use
Avy Runner: true
Avy Runner: I wrote it down, so I won't forget
Avy Runner: I need to go now ... was nice seeing you two again
                     --BELL-- 
Riddle Sideways: :) is a start
Riddle Sideways: yes, was good, has been a long time
Riddle Sideways: take care and have your best time
Avy Runner nods ... I hope to be here more often ... but can't promise anything
Avy Runner: thanks ... you too :)
Riddle Sideways: no promises
Avy Runner: see you
Riddle Sideways: no new year's rezs
Avy Runner: not yet
Riddle Sideways: oh dear, what if a new years rez, ruthed ?
Riddle Sideways: hehehhe

Riddle Sideways: Weeeee, an elephant (small) can ride the little fishies :)
Riddle Sideways: bye boxy