2011.12.25 13:00 - Thoughts toward old friends

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Riddle Sideways. The comments are by Riddle Sideways who claimed it for nobody.  People came late, but steady for two hours.

     

    Riddle Sideways: Hi Multi
    Multiverse1 Resident: Hi riddle

    Riddle Sideways: wonder where everybody else is?
    Multiverse1 Resident: elsewhere
    Multiverse1 Resident: why have there been many here of late?
    Riddle Sideways: hmmmm, not knowing that answer
    Multiverse1 Resident: the fish are here now
    Riddle Sideways: nice fishies
    Multiverse1 Resident: yes, they have gathered
    Riddle Sideways: and a menoriah with the 5 candles for today

             a favorite subject from simulation/agent modeling days
    Multiverse1 Resident: I have read of school mentality. As the fish and birds use. It seems they have no leader in thee direction of the herd, each makes it's independant decision, then the next, and soforth
    Riddle Sideways: swarming
    Riddle Sideways: yes studyed that a lot years ago
    Multiverse1 Resident: not these fish of course
    Riddle Sideways: wrote some software to do that
    Riddle Sideways: for AlphaWorld flocks
    Multiverse1 Resident: yes, Also read a book similar, forget the author, but I shall refresh. Turtles Termites and Traffic jams, was the title
    Riddle Sideways: Hi Mick
    Multiverse1 Resident: Hi Mick

                     --BELL--  
    Riddle Sideways: whose session is this?
    Mickorod Renard: hello
    Multiverse1 Resident:

    "Turtles, Termites, and Traffic Jams,  Explorations in Massively Parallel Microworlds"    Mitchel Resnick

    How does a bird flock keep its movements so graceful and synchronized? Most people assume that the bird in front leads and the others follow. In fact, bird flocks don't have leaders: they are organized without an organizer, coordinated without a coordinator. And a surprising number of other systems, from termite colonies to traffic jams to economic systems, work the same decentralized way. Turtles, Termites, and Traffic Jams describes innovative new computational tools that can qhelp people (even young children) explore the workings of such systems—and help them move beyond the centralized mindset.


    Mickorod Renard: merry christmas
    Riddle Sideways: happy christmas, ya'll
    Multiverse1 Resident: merry Christmas Mick

    Mickorod Renard: :)
    Riddle Sideways: yes, seperate instaniations of bird objects
         really meant 'Boids' as in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boids
    Mickorod Renard: good to chill out during a hectic day
    Riddle Sideways: that control and do not control
    Multiverse1 Resident: yes I feel the temperature
    Multiverse1 Resident: there is ice on the pond?
    Multiverse1 Resident: I'm just chillin too
    Riddle Sideways: yep, not much goin on til later

    Multiverse1 Resident: schools of fish flting in the air
    Multiverse1 Resident: flying
    Multiverse1 Resident: cept the 2 that are independant
    Riddle Sideways: each fish under rules of wanting to be near, but not too near another
    Mickorod Renard: I think I know what you mean
    Multiverse1 Resident: protection, yet independant. Interdependant
    Mickorod Renard: but they are part of an order , an archetype that has no control towards their own chaos
    Multiverse1 Resident: safety in numbers maybe
    Riddle Sideways: the Los Alamos group wrote some Swarm software
         oh well, further research shows that it was the Santa Fe Institute
    Multiverse1 Resident: different behavior pattenrs can emerge then?
    Mickorod Renard: the only deviation would be from some extreme equation in quantum probabilities, then they may do anything
    Mickorod Renard: perhaps,,but then I dont know
    Mickorod Renard: :)
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Korel
    Multiverse1 Resident: the alternate occurance
    Mickorod Renard: merry xmas
    Multiverse1 Resident: Hi Korel

    Mickorod Renard: yes, exactly Multi
    Riddle Sideways: had only 4 variables so was easy to cycle thru them
    Riddle Sideways: Hi Korel
    Riddle Sideways: long time no see
    Korel Laloix: Heya

    Korel Laloix: Been busy in a silly way.
    Multiverse1 Resident: silly is good
    Mickorod Renard: thats a wonderful thought
    Korel Laloix: Just taking a breat right now from CHristmas dinner madness.
    Riddle Sideways: I been away. Out of interent
    Korel Laloix: breal
    Riddle Sideways: *internet
    Riddle Sideways: ummm, lots of us escaping RL into SL
    Multiverse1 Resident: a web world we abide within
    Mickorod Renard: I am planning on a new provider,,,so soon I may be out of internet
    Korel Laloix: Been silly busy, and today there are at least twenty people over here including my mother... frowns.
    Mickorod Renard: wow
    Multiverse1 Resident: and you had to come here to escape?
    Mickorod Renard: he he ,,join the escapies
    Multiverse1 Resident: to chillax perhaps
    Korel Laloix: It is a way fo getting away without leaving the house.
    Riddle Sideways: just spent a week with mother-in-law
    Multiverse1 Resident: nice
    Korel Laloix: That good or bad?
    Mickorod Renard: getting away and getting together at the same time
    Riddle Sideways: both :)
    Riddle Sideways: they pay for everything
    Multiverse1 Resident: two directions at once
    Korel Laloix: I am not sure my mom has any redeaming qualities.
    Multiverse1 Resident: I noticed Korel. That you are an "annoying woman "?
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Pila
    Riddle Sideways: Hello Pila, ... really long time no seeing

                     --BELL--  
    Korel Laloix: Well, saying Annoying Man is sort of redungent and obvious, so I have to specify up front... smiles
    Pila Mulligan: greetings, Merry Christmas
    Korel Laloix: redundant
    Riddle Sideways: :))
    Korel Laloix: OSiYo
    Multiverse1 Resident: Hi Pila
    Pila Mulligan: Merry Christmas (verry laggy)

    Korel Laloix: So what is everyone else escaping from today>
    Korel Laloix: ?
    Multiverse1 Resident: Sundays in sl seem to be that way
    Mickorod Renard: I am escaping pandimodium
    Korel Laloix: I have some of that going on as well.. a good thing to escape from.
    Multiverse1 Resident: I am escaping a the common cold I hope
    Riddle Sideways: good
    Korel Laloix: Good thing to leave behind for sure.
    Mickorod Renard: if the kids are not gorging on chokies then the dog is on a raiding mission

    Multiverse1 Resident: woke up with abody malfunction
    Mickorod Renard: erk,,was it pleasant?
    Korel Laloix: Body malfunction?
    Riddle Sideways: that can happen in SL
    Korel Laloix: SOunds... annoying.
    Multiverse1 Resident: the common cold
    Mickorod Renard: ahh,,there is alot of it going around at the momment
    Multiverse1 Resident: it's pre-occupying my thoughts, skewing them. As your pandemonium in a way
    Wol Euler: merry christmas!
    Mickorod Renard: I have had various symptoms but non lasting more than a few hours
    Multiverse1 Resident: business, beyond our control
    Riddle Sideways: how come the 'common cold' is a little different each time
    Wol Euler: just a flying visit, mom needs to have a walk :)
    Mickorod Renard: Hiya Wol,,merry x mas
    Pila Mulligan: and to you Wol
    Riddle Sideways: High Wol

    Mickorod Renard: Moms the word
    Wol Euler: I wish everyone a happy and safe time, and not too much of food or conflict :)
    Multiverse1 Resident: hi Wol

    Riddle Sideways: like the dog... mom needs a walk ?
    Korel Laloix: Failing on both really.
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Multiverse1 Resident: I would walk my Mom
    Multiverse1 Resident: and have my dogs
    Multiverse1 Resident: they are both worth it.
    Riddle Sideways: I walked the mother-in-law, but she came back each time
    Mickorod Renard: :))
    Mickorod Renard: grin
    Multiverse1 Resident: conflict
    Mickorod Renard: all mine have gone now,,to another place in the cosmos
    Korel Laloix: Maybe I should try that with my mom.
    Multiverse1 Resident: walking?
    Mickorod Renard: walking as stardust
    Riddle Sideways: Henny Youngmen jokes use to be so funny (and mostly are not now)
    Korel Laloix: Looking up HY.
    Riddle Sideways: prolly speelt wrong
    Multiverse1 Resident: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=mbv-LcdLY-Y
    Multiverse1 Resident: walking on the moon
    Fox Monacular: Hello everyone
    Pila Mulligan: hi Fox, Merry Christmas
    Riddle Sideways: Hi Fox
    Fox Monacular: Merry Christmas:)
    Multiverse1 Resident: Hi Fox
    Mickorod Renard: yeaaa Fox :))

    Fox Monacular: :))
    Riddle Sideways: Later, will be going to a Chanukah party that will prolly turn into an xmas party
    Riddle Sideways: Hi Ara
    Pila Mulligan: :) holidays for everyone
    Pila Mulligan: hi Ara, Merry Christmas

    Multiverse1 Resident: A Muti-party
    Riddle Sideways: why do most av land on Mick?
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Ara
    arabella Ella: Hiya everyone!

    Multiverse1 Resident: the magik seat
    arabella Ella: and Merry Christmas to all of you! x x x
    Mickorod Renard: merry Xmas to you too Ara
    Fox Monacular: Hey Ara!

    Riddle Sideways: what presents did ya'll get?
    arabella Ella: Hey Fox, Pila, Riddle, Korel!
    arabella Ella: lovely to see you all again!
    arabella Ella: and Mick too of course also for the soft landing!
    Pila Mulligan: nice to seeyou, Ara
    Mickorod Renard: :)
    arabella Ella: Hiya Mick!
                     --BELL--  
    arabella Ella: lag!
    Riddle Sideways: was reading the chat log for the "fun" email ref, but without photos can't imagine what is going on

         Here is great exercise, look at your "my Friends" list
    Mickorod Renard: I was thinking earlier, that we dont often think of those Avi persons that have drifted away,,some perhaps due to ill health etc,,we should perhaps try and remember them and send our thoughts to them during next break
    Multiverse1 Resident: good thoughts of past memories
    Riddle Sideways: good thought
    arabella Ella: great idea Mick!
    Riddle Sideways: ah, the friends list has so many
    Riddle Sideways: miss them all
    Riddle Sideways: like Lisa just logged in, but not here
    Mickorod Renard: yes, there have been many and some that had contributed lots too
    Riddle Sideways: Feal and Gaya
    Riddle Sideways: Adelene
    Pila Mulligan: nothing is permanent, but fond memories persist :)
    arabella Ella: There was Scath and a person in Australia too the name escapes me
    Riddle Sideways: Sun
    Riddle Sideways: solobill
    Mickorod Renard: I think the aussie one was at ens art show a few week ago
    Mickorod Renard: zens
    Pila Mulligan: Tarmel, Ara
    arabella Ella: oh yes Tarmel
    Riddle Sideways: yes, Tarmel
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,Ara was missing too :)) for a while
    Multiverse1 Resident: the crossroads
    Riddle Sideways: Threedee
    Riddle Sideways: Fredrick
    Riddle Sideways: Not chatted with Pema in long time
    arabella Ella: oh yes has Pema been around much lately?
    Mickorod Renard: or stim
    Multiverse1 Resident: hosted here this past week , I believe
    Fox Monacular: actually I talked to him yesterday at 7pm Pab:)
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    arabella Ella: ah cool!
    Fox Monacular: a christmas eve treat
    Mickorod Renard: Pema?
    Riddle Sideways: ah
    Fox Monacular: yes
    Multiverse1 Resident: missed the occurance
    Riddle Sideways: stim is at the Pub some 4pms
    Mickorod Renard: is that so?
    Pila Mulligan: ahh, nice
    arabella Ella: i havent seen stim in ages!
    arabella Ella: or Pema
    arabella Ella: has Lugh been around at all?
    Mickorod Renard: not seen Lugh
    Mickorod Renard: Lia too..not seen
    arabella Ella: the thing is some people may tend to change identity
    Mickorod Renard: thats a good point
    arabella Ella: identity is so fluid here on SL
    Riddle Sideways: like Mila
    arabella Ella: never fixed
    Multiverse1 Resident: never broken
    Riddle Sideways: never
    Multiverse1 Resident: identity
    Mickorod Renard: but I suspect that there is a core here that are known avi's
    Riddle Sideways: ah, Qt Core
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Multiverse1 Resident: obserberm strikes me as an alternate to another that may come here.
    Multiverse1 Resident: observerm
    Mickorod Renard: I have seen QT recently
    Riddle Sideways: thinks so too
                     --BELL--  
    Mickorod Renard: one often dismisses the absent avi's as perhaps attending at other times,,but I suspect that is not the case
    Multiverse1 Resident: I would have to agree
    Multiverse1 Resident: the behavior of that sort would serve little purpose
    Multiverse1 Resident: I would assume if one did that, there would be an intended purpose for it.
    Multiverse1 Resident: I read of a PaB project like that acually
    Mickorod Renard: yes, I know of the case , like for eg Storm now lives in another time zone
    Multiverse1 Resident: to assume an avi of a different sort
    Multiverse1 Resident: roleplaying seems to be pervasive in sl also.
    arabella Ella: also?
    Multiverse1 Resident: well as compared to rl
    arabella Ella: ah ok
    Multiverse1 Resident: it's easier to assume a new identity
    Riddle Sideways: not sure... seems to be all about role playing (except here in PaB:)
    Multiverse1 Resident: plastic surgery in a bottle, or my inventory
    Multiverse1 Resident: some areas encourage it, and others not
    Multiverse1 Resident: I've thought of trying it , but have not as yet
    Riddle Sideways: welcome Aph
    Multiverse1 Resident: hi Aph
    Pila Mulligan: hiAph, Merry Christmas
    Fox Monacular: Hey Aph!
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hello everyone. How nice to see so many heare!
    Aphrodite Macbain: Here
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Aph,,merry xmas

    Multiverse1 Resident: here here
    Multiverse1 Resident: hear?
    arabella Ella: Hiya Aph Merry Christmas!
    Aphrodite Macbain: arabella- it's been ages
    Aphrodite Macbain: great to see you
    arabella Ella: yes it has ... I am back!
    arabella Ella: great to c u too!
    Aphrodite Macbain: I'm taking a break from cooking. The duck is now roasting away
    Aphrodite Macbain: and the salad is ready and the place is somewhat clean and tidy
    Korel Laloix: OK.. back to being social...smiles
    Pila Mulligan: bye Korel
    Aphrodite Macbain: Kore- how is everything today?
    Multiverse1 Resident: have fun
    Riddle Sideways: bye Korel
    Korel Laloix: Danistayohihv Alu Aliheli'sdi Itse Udetiyvasadisv
    arabella Ella: eh?
    Aphrodite Macbain: Same to you Korel!
    Pila Mulligan: Mele Kalikimaka
    Mickorod Renard: bye Korel
    Aphrodite Macbain: auguri
    Aphrodite Macbain: arabella- what do you mean you're back?
    arabella Ella: auguri lilek ukoll Aph!
    arabella Ella: I mean ... i disappeared for a few months and i am back online
    Multiverse1 Resident: sounds like a web connection
    arabella Ella: at PaB
    Aphrodite Macbain: great. does that mean your rl has changed too?
    arabella Ella: there are always changes!
    Riddle Sideways: :)
    arabella Ella: some good some bad as life throws unexpected surprises at us at times
    Multiverse1 Resident: I Ching
    arabella Ella: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: How ae you Riddle, Fox and Pila?
    Fox Monacular: good, thanks, Aph:) busy and tired, but nice:)
    Aphrodite Macbain: I hope you don't mind my fishy friends
    arabella Ella: i am just cooking bread pudding Aph
    Aphrodite Macbain: ooo. how do YOU make it?
    Pila Mulligan: fine thnaks Aph
    Fox Monacular: my in-laws are playing in the backyard with my daughter;)
    Aphrodite Macbain: aww
    arabella Ella: it is easy!
    Fox Monacular: lots of snow for christmas!
    Aphrodite Macbain: hpw old is she?
                     --BELL--  
    Aphrodite Macbain: no snow in Vancouver- just rain
    arabella Ella: bread cut into slices soaked in milk and loads of currants, sultanas, cherries almonds and eggs to bind it all together
    arabella Ella: (not slices but cubes)
    Aphrodite Macbain: nods
    Aphrodite Macbain: rum?
    arabella Ella: brandy
    Mickorod Renard: I think we call that bread and butter pudding
    Aphrodite Macbain: nods.
    arabella Ella: similar but different Mick
    Pila Mulligan: what does a quantum duck say?
    Aphrodite Macbain: in france they call it pooodING
    Mickorod Renard: we as in in my house
    Riddle Sideways: Quark
    Multiverse1 Resident: quirk
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: quick
    Mickorod Renard: dont want to get drawn into some debate
    arabella Ella: LOL
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-}
    Mickorod Renard: :))
    arabella Ella: for bread and butter pudding it is slices of bread with butter and sultanas etc
    Aphrodite Macbain: I should go and baste.
    arabella Ella: for bread pudding it is more of a mix bread cut into tiny cubes
    arabella Ella: and no butter
    Riddle Sideways: and more brandy for the cook
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye! everyone. It was good to see your faces
    Multiverse1 Resident: bread and butter duck for me
    arabella Ella: oh yes always brandy for the cook
    Pila Mulligan: bye APh
    arabella Ella: bye Apr lovely to see you!
    Multiverse1 Resident: and sherry
    Multiverse1 Resident: have to get a duck for new years now
    Multiverse1 Resident: a craving has been instilled
    Multiverse1 Resident: I can see it being basted now
    Multiverse1 Resident: and the aroma
    Multiverse1 Resident: mmmm
    Riddle Sideways: wb mick
    Riddle Sideways: you poofed
    Pila Mulligan: wb Mick
    Mickorod Renard: ty
    Mickorod Renard: I didnt push my charge lead in fully
    Multiverse1 Resident: I've done it before
    Multiverse1 Resident: temporary frustration at my stupidity
    Multiverse1 Resident: but a simple fix
    Mickorod Renard: yes, my fault but like you say,,simple fix
    Mickorod Renard: nice Avi Fox
    Multiverse1 Resident: energy rectification
    Fox Monacular: :)
    Fox Monacular: WYSIWYG
    Fox Monacular: foz
    Fox Monacular: fox
    Riddle Sideways: if only that were true of others too
    Riddle Sideways: can not seem to make an av that looks like a riddle
    arabella Ella: a fiddle may be next best?
    Multiverse1 Resident: the batman version of the riddler in sl perhaps?
    Riddle Sideways: got called riddler too many times during youth
    Multiverse1 Resident: a menacing thought
    Multiverse1 Resident: are you full of riddles then?
    Riddle Sideways: use to be
    Multiverse1 Resident: Ms. Sideways
    Riddle Sideways: short term memory lose turns into long term lose
    Multiverse1 Resident: riddle me this, comes to mind
    Multiverse1 Resident: the riddle of life
    Mickorod Renard: I was thinking about short term mem loss
    arabella Ella: and to my mind ... fiddler ... riddler on the roof
    Mickorod Renard: I sort of dont bother remembering anything now
    Multiverse1 Resident: and how short can it be?
    arabella Ella: just enjoy the moment and enjoy what you remember without bothering about what you may have forgotten
    arabella Ella: oh we lost Pila!
    Riddle Sideways: ah yes
    Riddle Sideways: poof
                     --BELL--  
    Multiverse1 Resident: Can you remember every increment in your entire life?
    arabella Ella: dont want to!
    Mickorod Renard: well,,thats the point,,what is important enough to take up hard drive space in the body
    Multiverse1 Resident: bingo
    Fox Monacular: i cant remember anything:)
    Multiverse1 Resident: we each have our own filing systems
    arabella Ella: and filtering system too
    Multiverse1 Resident: yes
    Riddle Sideways: wb Pila
    Pila Mulligan: thanks
    arabella Ella: wb Pila!
    Multiverse1 Resident: relevance and importance and relationships to other memories.
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Mickorod Renard: wb pIla
    arabella Ella: memories are like beliefs they are like a web as they ll hang together
    Multiverse1 Resident: and retrieval.
    arabella Ella: *all
    Mickorod Renard: I am saving my space for processing now
    Multiverse1 Resident: what is the short term to someone who arranges via importance?
    arabella Ella: i dunno
    Multiverse1 Resident: there is no length
    Mickorod Renard: I seem to have led several lifetimes already, I am getting lost in memories
    Riddle Sideways: remembering Doug
    arabella Ella: oh yes Doug!
    arabella Ella: and what was the name of the lay franciscan?
    arabella Ella: Geo?
    Riddle Sideways: wb Multi
    Fox Monacular: in phenomenology, memories (retentions) exist simultaneously and change in relation to the present
    arabella Ella: that sounds lovely Fox thanks!
    Multiverse1 Resident: pixelated
    Mickorod Renard: Geo yews
    Fox Monacular: so they are like fields
    Fox Monacular: densities
    Multiverse1 Resident: wavelengths?
    Fox Monacular: I heard a podcast by Alan Wallace, where he said that "it is never too late to have a happy childhood":) in relation to memory and quantum physics:))
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Pila Mulligan: sounds like fun
    Multiverse1 Resident: is true, the mutiverse
    arabella Ella: please say more Fox
    Pila Mulligan: quark
    arabella Ella: need to understand more
    Mickorod Renard: I am intrigues
    Fox Monacular: I think it is about how the past is being constantly restructured and re-thought of as a function od present
    Fox Monacular: so you today are not the same as you yesterday
    arabella Ella: nice!
    Fox Monacular: and so you can look at yourself in the past differently
    Multiverse1 Resident: as in Buddhism or Hinduism.
    Multiverse1 Resident: liufetymes
    Fox Monacular: (there is a way to demystify this too:)
    Multiverse1 Resident: lifetimes
    Mickorod Renard: demytify me one day
    Multiverse1 Resident: stardust
    Pila Mulligan: Fox?
    arabella Ella: how Fox?
    Fox Monacular: like you have a direct relation to your own past
    Fox Monacular: and it is not fixed
    Pila Mulligan: the sum of your expereince is dynamic?
    Multiverse1 Resident: but not broken
    Fox Monacular: yes, dynamic and affective
    arabella Ella: i really like this way of looking at things!
    Pila Mulligan: sound slike cooking to me
    Fox Monacular: cooking:)?
    Multiverse1 Resident: a recipe
    Pila Mulligan: dynamic recipes
    Fox Monacular: aha!
    Mickorod Renard: I suspect this is quantum mechanics again,,any change must also have a direct effect on another too?
    Multiverse1 Resident: is also macromechanics
    Fox Monacular: perhaps , yes
    Mickorod Renard: mn's?
    Fox Monacular: I don't understand quantum mechanics very well, but I like the idea that past is not fixed but rather subjective memry retentions brought up by the present
    Fox Monacular: so there are ways to live and relive it differently
    Multiverse1 Resident: the zero'th law of thermodynamics
    Riddle Sideways: the reliving of shristmas past
    Mickorod Renard: he he
    Multiverse1 Resident: movement from one source to another
    arabella Ella: i gues it has its advantages and disadvantages right?
    Riddle Sideways: morphing all the way
    Multiverse1 Resident: communication for example
    arabella Ella: after an event one may tend to retain either good memories or bad ones depending on whatever?
    Multiverse1 Resident: the observation
    Mickorod Renard: I bet there must be link to getting stuck with attachments too
    Mickorod Renard: let go of the loop and redifine ones past
    Multiverse1 Resident: we have our attachments, all of us.
    Multiverse1 Resident: when is the past?
    Multiverse1 Resident: whoops it's gone already!
    Riddle Sideways: like wol
    Multiverse1 Resident: poof
    Mickorod Renard: now then ,,I have to go now,,still have guests here
    Pila Mulligan: well, I must be going now too -- nice to see you Riddle, Multi, Fox, Mick and Ara -- Merry Christmas and Happy New Year
    arabella Ella: got to go too!
    Fox Monacular: I will have to go too:) at in laws' house:)
                     --BELL--  
    Riddle Sideways: thanks all
    Fox Monacular: Happy holidays everyone!
    arabella Ella: good night everyone and for those of you who may ... enjoy the spirit of the season! X
    Multiverse1 Resident: by mick, me to, bye pila, fox and ara,and Riddle.
    Mickorod Renard: goodbye good friends,,take care xxx
    Riddle Sideways: Hippy Holidays to ya'll

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    What a wonderful session! (((( PaB friends both present and missed ))))
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