2013.12.08 19:00 - Distinct and Blurred

The guardian for this meeting was Calvino Rabeni.  This session was posted from the autolistener database...

[19:06] Calvino Rabeni: Hello Catrina and Ghost :)
[19:06] Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi Cal :)
[19:06] Catrinamonblue Resident: and Ghost says hi as well :)
[19:07] Paradise Tennant: hiya cat nice to see you :) hiya cal :))
[19:07] Calvino Rabeni: Hi Paradise :)
[19:07] Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi Paradise :)

[19:09] Calvino Rabeni: Anything interesting going on lately?
[19:10] Catrinamonblue Resident: life is always interesting :)
[19:10] Paradise Tennant: it is !

[19:11] Calvino Rabeni: I can't distinguish the interesting from the boring parts ... sometimes

[19:11] Paradise Tennant: lol I find my head starts to slump with boring and I sit up straight with interesting :))
[19:12] Paradise Tennant: our bodies always seem to know :)

[19:12] Paradise Tennant: I have not seen you in a while Cat - how have you been ?
[19:12] Catrinamonblue Resident: intersting is each breath as it moves through the body :)
[19:12] Catrinamonblue Resident: I'm doing very well ty :) life was very hard for a bit but now is good
[19:13] Paradise Tennant: smiles a big smile - so happy to hear that :)

[19:13] Santoshima Resident: { hello stevenaia and everyone }

[19:13] Paradise Tennant: funny how the shadows make you appreciate the sunshine
[19:14] Paradise Tennant: hiya san :)) stev :)
[19:14] stevenaia Michinaga: waves
[19:14] Catrinamonblue Resident: absolutly Para :)

[19:17] stevenaia Michinaga: the woods are gone
[19:17] Calvino Rabeni: Greetings Santoshima, and Stevenaia !
[19:17] stevenaia Michinaga: hi Cal, gtsy
[19:17] Santoshima Resident: greetings Calvino ~
[19:17] Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi Steve :)
[19:18] stevenaia Michinaga: hi Cat, San and Para

[19:18] Catrinamonblue Resident: from the guardian session the suggested topic is catch yourself in the act of doing :) dropping a doing or doing a drop :)
[19:19] Catrinamonblue Resident: just throwing out a thought, a word, a doing ;)
[19:20] Paradise Tennant: smiles at Cat :)
[19:21] Catrinamonblue Resident: feeling a little bit of word play tonight :)
[19:22] Catrinamonblue Resident: dancing in the dewdrops finding lightness in the sky
[19:22] Catrinamonblue Resident: doing is an act of kindness never known till its done :)
[19:22] Catrinamonblue Resident: silly child I am today :)

[19:23] Calvino Rabeni: just thinking .. figuring out who do, is vu doo too
[19:23] Catrinamonblue Resident: smiles

[19:24] Santoshima Resident: { how was your birthday, Steve? did you have cake? }
[19:24] stevenaia Michinaga: yes, I chose coconut on vanilla cake
[19:24] Catrinamonblue Resident: happy birthday Steve!!!!!!!
[19:24] Santoshima Resident: yum
[19:25] stevenaia Michinaga: speaking of acts unknowing in their effect, even non acts can have the same affect
[19:26] stevenaia Michinaga: when I was at my recent reunion people spoke of me from 40 years ago in ways I have only recently identified in myself
[19:27] Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
[19:27] Calvino Rabeni: the fish is the last to know
[19:28] stevenaia Michinaga: indeed, it makes for better listening later in life
[19:28] Calvino Rabeni: its easier when they say light stuff, like, Calvino, you're like coconut frosting on a vanilla cake
[19:28] Santoshima Resident: and mean it
[19:28] stevenaia Michinaga: :)
[19:29] Catrinamonblue Resident: mmmmmmm cal cake :)

[19:32] Calvino Rabeni: I remember in about november of 92 I was in an intentional house and we had a weekly house meeting
[19:32] Calvino Rabeni: and a man I lived with who was a cook said
[19:33] Calvino Rabeni: some people are like angelfood cake
[19:33] Calvino Rabeni: some people are like T-Bone steak
[19:33] Calvino Rabeni: Where are you
[19:33] Calvino Rabeni: on the menu?
[19:34] Santoshima Resident: is that the scale?

[19:34] Calvino Rabeni: And the next guy was a carpenter not a cook
[19:34] stevenaia Michinaga: Hi Luci
[19:34] Calvino Rabeni: and said, do you feel you are made of brick
[19:34] Calvino Rabeni: or of straw
[19:34] Santoshima Resident: hi lucinda ")
[19:34] Santoshima Resident: :)
[19:34] Calvino Rabeni: Hi Cinda :)

[19:35] Calvino Rabeni: The next guy was a house painter who wanted to be a fine artist
[19:35] Calvino Rabeni: "oil on canvas, or watercolor"
[19:35] Calvino Rabeni: and so it went
[19:35] Calvino Rabeni: obviously a memorable meeting :)
[19:36] Paradise Tennant: hiya luci !
[19:36] Catrinamonblue Resident: :) depends on your point of reference :)
[19:36] Lucinda Lavender: hi all...hard to move
[19:36] Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi Luci :)
[19:36] Lucinda Lavender: it takes time

[19:38] Santoshima Resident: i'd like to ask something
[19:38] Santoshima Resident: about here at PaB
[19:38] Calvino Rabeni 's ears perk up
[19:38] Catrinamonblue Resident: listens
[19:38] Santoshima Resident: then perhaps you already know that answer!
[19:38] Lucinda Lavender: as do mine
[19:39] Santoshima Resident: i've been thinking about how questions are framed
[19:39] Paradise Tennant: smiles and sits up straighter :)
[19:39] Santoshima Resident: how when there is some knowledge about a person's life
[19:39] Santoshima Resident: and circumstances
[19:39] Santoshima Resident: we can call tehm details
[19:39] Santoshima Resident: that sometimes questions are asked from that context
[19:39] Santoshima Resident: without the person's permission
[19:39] Santoshima Resident: or forewarning
[19:40] Santoshima Resident: that aspects of their life details are about to be unleashed
[19:40] Santoshima Resident: these don't need to be large
[19:40] Santoshima Resident: so ...
[19:40] Santoshima Resident: am thinking about this
[19:40] Santoshima Resident: and wondering
[19:40] Santoshima Resident: about consent
[19:41] Santoshima Resident: of personal information inadvertently revealed

[19:41] Santoshima Resident: there has to be a way to frame questions
[19:41] Santoshima Resident: inquiry
[19:42] Santoshima Resident: that doesn't isolate an individual
[19:42] Santoshima Resident: is this too broad
[19:42] Santoshima Resident: unclear?
[19:42] Santoshima Resident: what are your experiences with this

[19:42] Santoshima Resident: i ask, becuase i had that happen today
[19:42] Santoshima Resident: someone
[19:42] Santoshima Resident: whom i know from another group
[19:42] Santoshima Resident: that is confidential
[19:42] Santoshima Resident: but they spoke
[19:43] Santoshima Resident: of things i don't speak of here
[19:43] Santoshima Resident: and so i wonder what to say
[19:43] Santoshima Resident: about it
[19:43] Santoshima Resident: for 
[19:43] Santoshima Resident: yourselves
[19:43] Santoshima Resident: does this ever happen
[19:43] Santoshima Resident: knowing this is a recorded session
[19:43] Santoshima Resident: and that it is public

[19:43] Santoshima Resident: probably noone reads {except eliza, and search engines}

[19:43] Catrinamonblue Resident: it's very clear to me but am unsure how to deal with it, for myself I'm so very open I don't mind my own details being known but do understand not everyone is like that
[19:44] Santoshima Resident: your address? for example
[19:44] Santoshima Resident: the number of dhildren or non-children
[19:44] stevenaia Michinaga: it has in the past and the decison to post, if there is a concern rests with the Guardian on Call, in the past, that;s whay there is a guardian to review and post

[19:44] Santoshima Resident: those kinds of references
[19:44] Santoshima Resident: what if it IS the guardian on call
[19:44] stevenaia Michinaga: these things can be edited
[19:44] Santoshima Resident: true
[19:44] Santoshima Resident: but there has to be some other way of asking questions
[19:45] Santoshima Resident: that are based in one's own experience

[19:45] stevenaia Michinaga: entire logs have not been posted depending on the circumstances

[19:46] Paradise Tennant: have to try to be careful about editing out too personal information - sometimes we forget this is a text that can be accessed so easily

[19:46] Santoshima Resident: that is my point, that there is a blurring ... when we begin to think we know each other

[19:46] stevenaia Michinaga: I was involved (Guardian) in one of the earlier of such circumstances, in the end it involved many emails and a few RL phone calls to work through the decision that extreme
[19:46] Santoshima Resident: the free trotting out of small details
[19:46] Catrinamonblue Resident: For myself I don't ask questions beyond a general how are you doing. And think it's only polite to ask that much, it's not fair to post other info without permission

[19:47] Santoshima Resident: like me asking steve about his birthday
[19:47] Santoshima Resident: i did so
[19:47] Hana Furlough: Hi all!
[19:47] Santoshima Resident: because steve said it was so a few days ago here.
[19:47] Calvino Rabeni: Welcome Hana :)
[19:47] stevenaia Michinaga: if it was personal I would IM or ask you to omit it from the log
[19:47] Santoshima Resident: hello hana
[19:47] Santoshima Resident: i see, ty
[19:48] Santoshima Resident: ok, ty

[19:48] stevenaia Michinaga: if you are not sure, feel free to ask anyone for input
[19:48] Santoshima Resident: i am asking here
[19:48] Santoshima Resident: asked
[19:48] Santoshima Resident: ty
[19:49] Santoshima Resident: will edit, would prefer to not have to

[19:50] Paradise Tennant: hiya hana :)
[19:50] Lucinda Lavender: hi Hana:)
[19:51] Lucinda Lavender: 7 people...
[19:51] Hana Furlough: yeah good turnout
[19:51] Catrinamonblue Resident: :)

[19:51] Calvino Rabeni: It's a judgment call and a learning process ... you can IM the asker, if it is here, ask the GOC to cut it, their editing is one safety backup
[19:52] Paradise Tennant: can be done even much later .. the pages can always be edited
[19:52] Calvino Rabeni: If necessary, one could self-edit the log, though I think the guardian should be asked first to do it
[19:52] Catrinamonblue Resident: Sometimes it's best to try to avoid those sessions with a person you know may cause this issue
[19:52] Calvino Rabeni: and I think it's fine to tell the asker in IM that it feels a bit over the line

[19:52] Hana Furlough: sorry, if i may, what is the issue?
[19:53] Calvino Rabeni: I think it is, how to handle questions here that feel too personal and may get published
[19:54] Santoshima Resident: yes
[19:54] Hana Furlough: ahh i see
[19:54] Santoshima Resident: and the answer is
[19:54] Santoshima Resident: edit
[19:54] Hana Furlough: an important issue
[19:54] Santoshima Resident: and communicate concerns

[19:55] Santoshima Resident: thank you for your feedback
 

[then some things asked to be deleted from the log - done by conscientious lone reader ;-)]

[20:01] Paradise Tennant: smiles I had a dream I remembered !
[20:01] Lucinda Lavender: :)
[20:01] Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
[20:01] Calvino Rabeni: :)
[20:01] Santoshima Resident: oh good!
[20:01] Lucinda Lavender: listening...

[20:01] Paradise Tennant: I was in the body of a gay man
[20:02] Paradise Tennant: maybe mid thirties very fit .. felt lots of springy kind of energy
[20:02] Paradise Tennant: I was all wrapped up in a financial deal I was trying to pull together
[20:02] Paradise Tennant: and my partner kept insisting I go with him to look at bed linen
[20:02] stevenaia Michinaga: listening more intently
[20:03] Paradise Tennant: I really did not want to go I wanted work instead but I gave in and he was all bright and happy
[20:03] Paradise Tennant: then felt happy because he was happy
[20:03] Paradise Tennant: and off we went to the store
[20:04] Paradise Tennant: and we walked in .. and went up to a bed that was made up in kind of a silver gray silk - and we both liked it
[20:04] Paradise Tennant: and then the bed seemed to stretch out and we walked along it
[20:04] Paradise Tennant: and each say 6 feet was made up with a different fabric
[20:05] Paradise Tennant: we were holding hands and as we walked along this enormous bed I reach down to trail my fingers along the fabric
[20:06] Paradise Tennant: and they were all different some smooth some heavily embroidered
[20:06] Paradise Tennant: and as I was looking down I noticed my hand changed with each bed I touched
[20:06] Paradise Tennant: sometimes white skin, sometimes black sometimes more feminine more male
[20:07] Paradise Tennant: and my eyes went really wide and I looked over at my partner and he should there and smiled me .. holding my other hand
[20:08] Paradise Tennant: I felt wrapped up in love .
[20:08] Paradise Tennant: I don't think we actually ever bought anything :))
[20:09] Paradise Tennant: what a funny dream but the sensation of being in a different body was so interesting .
[20:09] Lucinda Lavender: perhaps access to what is the universal human experience
[20:09] Paradise Tennant: end :)
[20:10] Calvino Rabeni claps

[20:10] stevenaia Michinaga: that was one of the best dreams I ever heard!!!!
[20:10] Santoshima Resident: yay
[20:10] Calvino Rabeni: yes!
[20:10] Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
[20:10] Paradise Tennant: and it had shopping :)
[20:10] Calvino Rabeni: If it were on Amazon I'd download it rather than video on demand!

[20:10] Lucinda Lavender: and to dream into another body is like a wake up call to a broadened experience
[20:10] Calvino Rabeni: indeed
[20:11] Lucinda Lavender: notice this the dream says
[20:11] Lucinda Lavender: join together...go exploring
[20:11] Lucinda Lavender: allow yourself to stretch

[20:12] Lucinda Lavender: was it before nelson died?
[20:12] Paradise Tennant: yes
[20:12] Lucinda Lavender: just curious

[20:12] Calvino Rabeni: walking the endless bed is a heavenly image
[20:12] Lucinda Lavender: yes!
[20:12] Hana Furlough: yeah that was really something
[20:12] Calvino Rabeni: like cloudwalking
[20:12] Lucinda Lavender: a place of unity
[20:13] Lucinda Lavender: where differences are dropped

[20:13] Paradise Tennant: yes
[20:13] Paradise Tennant: i was always me .. what ever the package

[20:13] Hana Furlough: : )
[20:14] Hana Furlough: as it should be
[20:14] Lucinda Lavender: thank you for sharing it
[20:14] Hana Furlough: yes, ty
[20:14] Paradise Tennant: smiles I remeber so few of them :))
[20:14] Catrinamonblue Resident: slips quietly away :) night all
[20:14] Hana Furlough: on that note i must go
[20:14] Hana Furlough: bye all!
[20:14] Paradise Tennant: night night cat :)) sweet dreams
[20:14] Paradise Tennant: take care Hana
[20:14] Santoshima Resident: bye cat and hana
[20:15] Calvino Rabeni: good night :)

[20:16] Paradise Tennant: it was a bit like your dream of the three beds luci :)) each holding something different
[20:17] Lucinda Lavender: right!
[20:17] Lucinda Lavender: different jewelry I think it was
[20:18] Paradise Tennant: smiles yes necklaces I think .. well I should go too :)) busy week ahead .. so nice to see so many people here tonight ...
[20:18] Calvino Rabeni: I like anything with 3 beds (or bowls)
[20:18] Santoshima Resident: thank you paradise, good night
[20:18] Paradise Tennant: yes kind of llike goldilocks!
[20:18] Lucinda Lavender: sweet dreams para!
[20:18] stevenaia Michinaga: night
[20:18] Paradise Tennant: yes and to you all :)) namaste my friends :))
[20:19] stevenaia Michinaga: me too
[20:19] Calvino Rabeni: _/!\_
[20:19] Santoshima Resident: bye
[20:20] Calvino Rabeni: gotten rather quiet around here :)
[20:20] Lucinda Lavender: okbye san steve, para, cat ...

[20:21] Calvino Rabeni: I saw a science movie ... I.Q. starring Meg Ryan, takes place at the Institute for Advanced Study, starring one A. Einstein
[20:22] Lucinda Lavender: that sounds very interesting!
[20:22] Calvino Rabeni: its a rom-com
[20:22] Calvino Rabeni: light as a photon
[20:22] Calvino Rabeni: but fun
[20:22] Lucinda Lavender: ok

[20:22] Calvino Rabeni: anyway, yes, it seems like a good time to take off for now
[20:23] Calvino Rabeni: see you later Cinda
[20:23] Lucinda Lavender: see you later...sweet dreams:)