2013.12.26 19:00 - Language and Other Kinds of Containers

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[18:54] Rasima Petrovic: Hey there =)
[18:54] Paradise Tennant: hiya
[18:54] Paradise Tennant: sorry was just making tea
[18:54] Paradise Tennant: how are you tonight :)
[18:55] Rasima Petrovic: that sfine
[18:55] Rasima Petrovic: I'm doing fine =) you?
[18:55] Paradise Tennant: very well too thanks .. have a few days off in a row - really enjoying it
[18:56] Rasima Petrovic: thats great =) I have winter break atm

[18:57] Rasima Petrovic: i like your kimono =)
[18:57] Paradise Tennant: thank you very much I like the colours -
[18:57] Rasima Petrovic: me too
[18:57] Rasima Petrovic: its eloquent =)
[18:57] Paradise Tennant: love how vivid they are in sl :)
[18:57] Rasima Petrovic: =))
[18:58] Paradise Tennant: what are you studying ?
[19:04] Rasima Petrovic: I crashed >.<
[19:04] Rasima Petrovic: what was the question?
[19:05] Paradise Tennant: just wondered what the program was your were taking a winter break from .. but we can talk about anything you would like to talk about
[19:05] Rasima Petrovic: oh
[19:05] Rasima Petrovic: grad studies in linguistics
[19:05] Rasima Petrovic: =)
[19:05] Paradise Tennant: nice ... what languages ?
[19:06] Paradise Tennant: very good for your brain being able to speak a variety of languages :))
[19:06] Rasima Petrovic: well studying lingustics doesn't necessarily mean you're learning other languages (I am but still ^^))
[19:06] Paradise Tennant: smiles and listens

[19:07] Rasima Petrovic: i know english, french, german, different french dialects from all over the Americas and Europe
[19:07] Rasima Petrovic: Hello Riddle =)
[19:07] Paradise Tennant: hiya riddle :))
[19:07] Riddle Sideways: Hi ya
[19:08] Rasima Petrovic: linguistics has a lot of different subfields... semiotics, historical/cultural linguistics, morphology and phonology
[19:08] Riddle Sideways: Hi San
[19:08] Rasima Petrovic: Hello san =)
[19:08] Paradise Tennant: hmm morphology and phonology ?
[19:08] Santoshima Resident: reetings
[19:08] Paradise Tennant: hiya san :))
[19:08] Santoshima Resident: g

[19:08] Rasima Petrovic: Morphology studies word and grammatical components
[19:08] Rasima Petrovic: Phonology is the study of how you actually physically communicate
[19:09] Rasima Petrovic: like, vocal patterns, sounds the mouth makes
[19:09] Rasima Petrovic: semiotics is basically about grammar

[19:09] Paradise Tennant: funny how we all have the same mouth but different regions use it so differently
[19:09] Rasima Petrovic: yep ^^

[19:10] Rasima Petrovic: well there actually are differnces between the mouths and vocal chords in different races
[19:10] Rasima Petrovic: but otherwise, anyone can learn any language =)
[19:10] Rasima Petrovic: which is amazing
[19:10] Paradise Tennant: yes
[19:10] Riddle Sideways: yes

[19:11] Rasima Petrovic: i took a speech lab this semester
[19:11] Rasima Petrovic: we had to just learn how to pronounce a wide variety of sounds
[19:11] Rasima Petrovic: even if its not in our language class
[19:11] Rasima Petrovic: so we had to learn how to do sharp glottal stops (chinese, arabic)
[19:12] Rasima Petrovic: clicks in bantu langauges
[19:12] Rasima Petrovic: different stuff, it was interesting

[19:13] Paradise Tennant: I guess with just listening and practice it is all possible :)
[19:13] Paradise Tennant: I bet
[19:13] Rasima Petrovic: yes
[19:13] Rasima Petrovic: thats the thing too
[19:13] Rasima Petrovic: there's a relationship between the sounds you pronounce and the sounds you can hear
[19:13] Rasima Petrovic: if you now how to pronounce it, you're able to know how to listen for it
[19:13] Rasima Petrovic: and it kinda rewires the brain
[19:13] Paradise Tennant: smiles

[19:13] Rasima Petrovic: like for eg
[19:14] Rasima Petrovic: in english
[19:14] Paradise Tennant: to be more aware
[19:14] Rasima Petrovic: we don't make a diference between k and q
[19:14] Santoshima Resident: same re-wiring with kind words
[19:14] Rasima Petrovic: in arabic, there's a huge difference between k and q
[19:14] Rasima Petrovic: q is pronounced more at th back of the mouth, k is pronounced omre at the front. it seems subtle in english, but it makes a huge difference in middle-eastern languages
[19:15] Rasima Petrovic: or like how chinese languages have 5 tones

[19:15] Rasima Petrovic: you really need to learn ohw to pronouce the tones in order to get them
[19:15] Rasima Petrovic: and listen fo them
[19:16] Paradise Tennant: find a lot of the real meaning in the communication is the tone ..conveys intent emotion

[19:16] Paradise Tennant: sorry bell
[19:17] Rasima Petrovic: yes

[19:17] Rasima Petrovic: well i mean with chinese
[19:17] Rasima Petrovic: in english there's tone that means one thing
[19:17] Rasima Petrovic: in chinese, tone means just the pitch
[19:17] Riddle Sideways: and the practice of not spitting on other people during some sounds
[19:17] Rasima Petrovic: and the pitch directly bears on the meaning of what you're saying
[19:18] Rasima Petrovic: yes theres a lot about tone and emotion too
[19:18] Rasima Petrovic: and other contextual things
[19:19] Paradise Tennant: yes spitting is not good :)

[19:19] Riddle Sideways: the rising tone at the end of a sentence to mean a question
[19:19] Rasima Petrovic: lol =)
[19:19] Rasima Petrovic: yes
[19:19] Rasima Petrovic: theres languges where you dont do that btw
[19:19] Rasima Petrovic: chinese is one
[19:20] Rasima Petrovic: old english apparently didn't inflect either, you'd just have to rearrange the words
[19:20] Paradise Tennant: lol i remember in berlin asking a one word question and getting in a lively debate with a complete stranger on whether or not that one word was indeed a complete sentence .. I think if it is complete thought it is :) such as why ?

[19:20] Riddle Sideways: no questions?
[19:20] Rasima Petrovic: well in german, you don't just ask "why"
[19:21] Rasima Petrovic: in english thats okay
[19:21] Rasima Petrovic: in german its usually always in reference to something
[19:21] Paradise Tennant: and in french ?
[19:21] Rasima Petrovic: "warum ist es?"
[19:21] Rasima Petrovic: lol well french, yeah, you can just be "pourquoi?" and it's llegit

[19:21] Paradise Tennant: but language is kind of plastic
[19:22] Paradise Tennant: it is kind of a living thing
[19:22] Rasima Petrovic: it is
[19:22] Paradise Tennant: changeable
[19:22] Paradise Tennant: evolving

[19:22] Rasima Petrovic: the thing is
[19:22] Rasima Petrovic: germans dont want their language to turn into french / english
[19:22] Rasima Petrovic: thats why they're such sticklers about grammar rules

[19:22] Paradise Tennant: always think both the spoken word and the written word should have cadence it should be pleasing to the ear like music
[19:22] Rasima Petrovic: thats also why there's always a complex german equivalent to like every word xD
[19:23] Rasima Petrovic: like, they dont call it "science" in german
[19:23] Rasima Petrovic: they use a german word, "wissenschaft"
[19:23] Rasima Petrovic: but most other european languages use the word "science" or something derrived from the latin origins of our "science"

[19:24] Rasima Petrovic: hey lucinda ^^
[19:24] Riddle Sideways: Hi luci, trying to walk
[19:24] Santoshima Resident: greetings Luci
[19:24] Paradise Tennant: hiya luci :))
[19:25] Lucinda Lavender: greetings toyou all!
[19:25] Riddle Sideways: Luci, are you stuck
[19:26] Lucinda Lavender: I am?
[19:26] Lucinda Lavender: not surprised I might say...
[19:27] Lucinda Lavender: so far I am just a white cloud and we are surrounded by gray

[19:27] Santoshima Resident: it will pass
[19:27] Paradise Tennant: lol
[19:27] Lucinda Lavender: I will wait patiently
[19:27] Paradise Tennant: yes it all passes :))
[19:28] Rasima Petrovic: =)

[19:29] Lucinda Lavender: what shall we do in the next pause?
[19:29] Paradise Tennant: be thankful ?
[19:29] Lucinda Lavender: surely..
[19:29] Riddle Sideways: we were chatting about being about to make the sounds of other languages and now thinking of chickens
[19:29] Riddle Sideways: yes, thank full
[19:29] Rasima Petrovic: lol
[19:29] Rasima Petrovic: well you started thinking of chickens^
[19:30] Rasima Petrovic: =)
[19:30] Paradise Tennant: chickens ?
[19:31] Riddle Sideways: Lucinda's chickens always remind
[19:32] Santoshima Resident: pullet surprise
[19:32] Lucinda Lavender: yes...they are out there in the coop ...all 7 of them:)

[19:32] Paradise Tennant: I always get this vivid image of her giving them baths and then blow drying their feathers :))
[19:32] Rasima Petrovic: i need to take this tp ^^ nice seeing you guys
[19:32] Paradise Tennant: thanks rasima was really interesting
[19:32] Rasima Petrovic: byebye ^^
[19:32] Santoshima Resident: bye Rasima
[19:32] Rasima Petrovic: oh np =)
[19:32] Riddle Sideways: by
[19:32] Rasima Petrovic: it was nice for me to teach people about linguistics
[19:33] Paradise Tennant: yes nice to hear more about it
[19:33] Lucinda Lavender: bye Rasima

[19:34] Paradise Tennant: I had a dream luci
[19:34] Lucinda Lavender: curious what was said about linguistics
[19:34] Riddle Sideways: hard to think about how much we are influenced by the communication methods we use
[19:34] Lucinda Lavender: ah...and a dream?
[19:34] Riddle Sideways: /listens
[19:34] Lucinda Lavender: listens too
[19:34] Paradise Tennant: yes words really don't really do that great a job sometimes .. there are so many layers of connections it is hard to make them fresh
[19:35] Paradise Tennant: okies my dream

[19:35] Paradise Tennant: I have some big pieces of furniture in my apt which are really old ...
[19:35] Paradise Tennant: some have been in the family a long time ..
[19:36] Paradise Tennant: and I keep thinking I should either sell them or donate them somewhere
[19:36] Paradise Tennant: in my dream I had given them to a dealer to sell
[19:36] Paradise Tennant: and I was walking around his store looking at them there
[19:36] Paradise Tennant: and they started to talk to me
[19:36] Paradise Tennant: in pictures
[19:36] Paradise Tennant: of times gone by
[19:37] Paradise Tennant: old trunks being packed with 17th century dresses .. the conversations around the packing
[19:37] Paradise Tennant: just snippets of time ..
[19:38] Paradise Tennant: very strange all very trivial but vivid
[19:38] Paradise Tennant: made me feel very transitory ..
[19:38] Paradise Tennant: temporary
[19:39] Paradise Tennant: just one of a long line of faces or hands that have touched them polished them ..
[19:40] Paradise Tennant: smiles
[19:40] Paradise Tennant: that was it not much but strange
[19:40] Riddle Sideways: smiles

[19:40] Lucinda Lavender: I was just reading about dreaming...and how it takes what was from the past and does new things with it...
[19:41] Lucinda Lavender: looking for a link
[19:43] Riddle Sideways: lol San, have ridden the ribbon also
[19:43] Paradise Tennant: looks very relaxing san
[19:43] Santoshima Resident: my idea of fun
[19:44] Lucinda Lavender: the dream has such an interesting feel
[19:44] Riddle Sideways: thinking of old cliches of "if this old trunk could talk ..."
[19:47] Lucinda Lavender: Scientific american...Sleeps Role by Gary Stix Dec. 20, 2013
[19:48] Riddle Sideways: ty
[19:48] Paradise Tennant: http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/...es-everything/

[19:48] Lucinda Lavender: "how might this information be useful in the future?"
[19:49] Lucinda Lavender: Exploring associative networks abd trying to find associations that look promising.
[19:49] Paradise Tennant: sorry going to have to excuse my self for a few minutes the dog has had way too much turkey and is crying to go out :__
[19:49] Lucinda Lavender: thank you riddle
[19:50] Lucinda Lavender: good night to you both!
[19:50] Lucinda Lavender: good dreams
[19:50] Riddle Sideways: buy
[19:50] Santoshima Resident: goodnight, Paradies
[19:51] Santoshima Resident: correction: paradise
[19:52] Riddle Sideways: do need to leave tho
[19:52] Riddle Sideways: go to make dinner
[19:52] Santoshima Resident: bye riddle
[19:52] Riddle Sideways: by

[19:52] Lucinda Lavender: i wonder .... the pictures that show up in the furniture...speak of times gone by...
[19:52] Lucinda Lavender: bye riddle
[19:54] Lucinda Lavender: we have what we know...times gone by...and the preparation for future...both important.
[19:56] Lucinda Lavender: seeing into the past...understanding it. and mixing it into what we are learning...
[19:56] Lucinda Lavender: and they are containers...chests etc.
[19:57] Lucinda Lavender: containers we can use now.

[20:02] Paradise Tennant: back
[20:02] Paradise Tennant: mission accomplished :)
[20:02] Lucinda Lavender: welcome
[20:02] Santoshima Resident: wb
[20:02] Lucinda Lavender: how is your neighborhood doing?
[20:03] Paradise Tennant: slowly it is getting back to normal my house guests have gone home they have their power back :))
[20:03] Paradise Tennant: will take a few days more before everyone does
[20:03] Paradise Tennant: the hospitals are all back to normal
[20:04] Lucinda Lavender: it can be so challenging
[20:04] Paradise Tennant: yes made xmas tough for a lot of people forced them out of their houses
[20:04] Paradise Tennant: no heat
[20:05] Lucinda Lavender: yakes
[20:05] Lucinda Lavender: yikes
[20:07] Paradise Tennant: and for some no water either if you had water you could leave one of your taps running a little bit to stop the pipes from bursting no water cannot do that so have to figure out another way to keep some warmth in the house
[20:08] Lucinda Lavender: ah...we had that in our area recently...just as things warm up the frozen ones burst
[20:08] Paradise Tennant: yes and with a big mess
[20:08] Lucinda Lavender: yes!
[20:09] Lucinda Lavender: I should go for now but wasnted to say hello to all...
[20:09] Santoshima Resident: ty
[20:09] Santoshima Resident: i'll go too
[20:09] Santoshima Resident: good night
[20:09] Santoshima Resident: rest well
[20:09] Paradise Tennant: ok take care luci hope you enjoy your holidays nignt night san sweet dreams
[20:09] Santoshima Resident: you too paradise
[20:09] Lucinda Lavender: you too:) it is fun...
[20:10] Santoshima Resident: :)
[20:10] Lucinda Lavender: sweet dreams to all:)

[20:10] Lucinda Lavender: Paradise...i shared earlier about a dream arcticle
[20:11] Lucinda Lavender: scientific american...Dec. 20, 2013...made me think of your dream. past and future
[20:11] Lucinda Lavender: old cabinets with something to say
[20:12] Lucinda Lavender: we take the past and see how it can inform the present
[20:12] Lucinda Lavender: a simplistic statement but they talk about the purpose of dreams there
[20:12] Lucinda Lavender: just interesting
[20:12] Paradise Tennant: looking for it .. I think the link i posted is not the right one
[20:13] Paradise Tennant: all these little co-incidences are alwasy interesting
[20:13] Lucinda Lavender: no that was the one
[20:13] Lucinda Lavender: it is toward the end of the artic;e
[20:14] Lucinda Lavender: thanks for everyting:)
[20:14] Lucinda Lavender: i will go now...
[20:14] Lucinda Lavender: hugs
[20:15] Paradise Tennant: ok nite nite