2014.04.06 13:00 - Eye of the Beholder

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Agatha Macbeth. The comments are by Agatha Macbeth.

     

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    FcSeeker Resident: 's current display-name is "FcSeeker".
    Zon Kwan: hi fc
    FcSeeker Resident: Zon *
    Zon Kwan: how are you?
    FcSeeker Resident: I seldom look at the profile, but looked at yours now; you have interesting thoughts there *
    --BELL--1300
    FcSeeker Resident: ...if they were sentences in my language, it would point to you; that your not to be taken seriously....but I get the feeling, that you mean that the playing this devine game is not to be taken seriously.....so...I donno....
    FcSeeker Resident: would you care to tell me ?

    I appear

    FcSeeker Resident: Hello dear *
    FcSeeker Resident: how are you ?
    Zon Kwan: smiles
    Agatha Macbeth: Here I am!
    Zon Kwan: hi Agatha
    FcSeeker Resident: ok *
    Bruce Mowbray: 's current display-name is "Bruce".
    Zon Kwan: nods to fc
    Agatha Macbeth: Still tingly FC? :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Bruce
    FcSeeker Resident: Hello Bruce ***
    Zon Kwan: hi Bruce
    FcSeeker Resident: hmmm...can this tingly be said with other words ?
    Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Fc, Zon, and aggers!
    FcSeeker Resident: ...or does it mean 'thinking' ?
    Agatha Macbeth: I meant your hands :p
    Agatha Macbeth: After this afternoon
    FcSeeker Resident: ahhh
    FcSeeker Resident: well...my hands never 'rests'
    Bruce Mowbray listens and hopes to catch the drift soon.
    FcSeeker Resident: when professor Kolmakow took kirlian-pitures of me, he said that he'd miss such pic that I wouldn't give any energy ....
    Bruce Mowbray: "Busy hands, busy mind?"
    FcSeeker Resident: I said that such pic cannot be taken from me even if I'm sleeping....
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh
    Bruce Mowbray: Wow.
    Bruce Mowbray: Kirlian photography!
    Agatha Macbeth: I know about Kirilian pics yes
    FcSeeker Resident: but when he got few more pic's he didn't miss such pics anymore at all
    Agatha Macbeth: Shows aruras and such
    FcSeeker Resident: *giggles*
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Wollie ♥
    Zon Kwan: hi Wol
    Wol Euler: hello zon, aggers, fc, bruce
    FcSeeker Resident: and he changed all his former ways to take them :)
    Bruce Mowbray: https://www.google.com/search?q=kirl...w=1476&bih=796
    FcSeeker Resident: Hello Wol
    Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Wol!
    FcSeeker Resident: hm....wanna here more of his story/history ?
    Agatha Macbeth: Please
    Bruce Mowbray listens intently.
    FcSeeker Resident: it's quite sad....
    Agatha Macbeth: Aww
    FcSeeker Resident: as there's not so many ppl who take those pictures truly
    Bruce Mowbray: oh dear.
    Bruce Mowbray: Yikes!
    FcSeeker Resident: and there was not so much support to him from the Univercity he worked 'in'
    FcSeeker Resident: he was sponsored much from ppl from USA; he took much pics from sport ppl
    Bruce Mowbray: They probably considered it to be "paranormal."
    Zon Kwan: waves
    Bruce Mowbray: Bye for now, Zon.
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye Zon
    Bruce Mowbray continues listening to Fc.
    FcSeeker Resident: but when the 'chief' of the Univercity saw my pictures, he got soooo exited
    FcSeeker Resident: but when he called the meeting in order to start to think, if such pics could be taken from the whole body 'one day'
    FcSeeker Resident: he got so much ppl against him that oh no
    Bruce Mowbray: oh yes, professional peer pressure -- don't rock OUR boat!, or so they might say.
    FcSeeker Resident: they even had nerves to claim, that measuring the temperatures with the thermometer, is not sientific way
    FcSeeker Resident: but even worse;
    Agatha Macbeth: 0.0
    Bruce Mowbray: Yikes!
    FcSeeker Resident: they also claimed that this ...ooo....how is it said when mom's go to doc who takes pictures from the baby inside mom ?
    FcSeeker Resident: (my mind forgot that term)
    Bruce Mowbray: Ultra-sound, yes.
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh
    FcSeeker Resident: yes
    Agatha Macbeth: That's it
    FcSeeker Resident: so; they even claimed that the Ultra-sound is not scientific method
    Bruce Mowbray: (Your English is VERY GOOD, Fc. But please continue.)
    FcSeeker Resident: but this professor is from Russia; he was too scared to make that to been published....so many reporters had betraded him before
    Bruce Mowbray: [sry, but need to say that drop is approaching....]
    FcSeeker Resident: ....
    --BELL--1315
    Bruce Mowbray: Please continue, Fc.
    FcSeeker Resident: then after couple of years his such work was destroyed completely, and he was kicked out ot the Univercity, and they even sent a letter 'after' him, in witch they said that he's not allowed to do such tests anywhere
    Bruce Mowbray: Yikes!
    FcSeeker Resident: I didn't have any CD system those times, so he couldn't save fully my pics to me, but needed eraze a layer, so they dont' show now all there was
    Bruce Mowbray: The equivalent of "house arrest" for Galelio?
    Bruce Mowbray: Galileo*
    FcSeeker Resident: but I've met such see'ers also, who feel that missing layer, what there is
    FcSeeker Resident: something like that
    Bruce Mowbray ponders "the missing layer...."
    FcSeeker Resident: and I'm so sad for that cuz there's so much such ppl who claim that they use that method, even they dont,,,,but ppl believe to those pics cuz they donno
    FcSeeker Resident: well....aint the 'layer' like a 'floor'...many 'floors' in the pic ?
    Bruce Mowbray ponders fear of the unknown and how often it nails ppl in their tracks.
    FcSeeker Resident: oh yes
    Bruce Mowbray: away from keyboard for just a sec.... brb.
    FcSeeker Resident: I call such ppl to be as the counterforces
    Agatha Macbeth: I always thought Kirilian photographs reminded me of St Elmo's fire
    FcSeeker Resident: ...St Elmo's fire is ???
    Eliza Madrigal: 's current display-name is "Eliza".
    Agatha Macbeth: It's an elecrostatic phenomenon
    Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Eliza!
    FcSeeker Resident: ah yes; but the 'rest' of the story of this amazing professor;
    Agatha Macbeth: Apperas round the ends of tree branches and ship's masts
    FcSeeker Resident: ah ok
    Eliza Madrigal: heyyyyyaa
    Agatha Macbeth: Related to ball lightning I think
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Liz ♥
    FcSeeker Resident: so; his friend, who got the Noble trobpy that year when my pics was taken
    Wol Euler: hello blonde eliza :)
    FcSeeker Resident: hello Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    FcSeeker Resident: they started to work more together, so the professor was not beaten :)
    Eliza Madrigal thanks bruce for the IM with text ... reads...
    FcSeeker Resident: and thank you so much for the birds
    Bruce Mowbray: you're welcome ;-)
    Bruce Mowbray also loves birds.
    Agatha Macbeth: They are so cute
    Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Bleu!
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello again Bleu
    FcSeeker Resident: Hello Bleu
    Bleu Oleander: 's current display-name is "Bleu".
    Eliza Madrigal: Aloha Bleu
    Wol Euler: hello bleu
    Bleu Oleander: hi all :)
    Eliza Madrigal just arrived as well ^.^
    FcSeeker Resident: so; I met this professor several years later, and he was very fine and happy with his new doings
    FcSeeker Resident: but much he could've tell to the world....;(
    FcSeeker Resident: and PROOVE
    Agatha Macbeth: It sounds a lot like the kind of hostility Reich encountered with his Orgone research
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, aggers. Exactly like that.
    Bruce Mowbray: Also Jung....
    Agatha Macbeth: Right
    Agatha Macbeth: Pasteur too I think, initially
    Bruce Mowbray: When will "scientists" appreciate that science ALSO evolves?
    Bleu Oleander: I think they do :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Exactly
    Agatha Macbeth: That's the point :p
    Bleu Oleander: :P
    Agatha Macbeth: If it doesn't evolve it becomes a religion
    Bruce Mowbray: I feel that artists and poets might have a better appreciation of "evolution" than scientists do, unfortunately.
    Bleu Oleander: :)
    FcSeeker Resident: lol
    Bruce Mowbray: and philosophers, too, I guess.
    Bruce Mowbray: So, what is the current status of your Kirlian photos, Fc?
    Agatha Macbeth: Breaking the bounds and all that
    Bleu Oleander: somehow I don't have that impression but ymmv
    Bruce Mowbray: (Yes, I'm being a bit brad with my judgments.)
    Bruce Mowbray: broad*
    FcSeeker Resident: ah; I sure have them; what Sergei could save onto such poor discs
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Brad :p
    Bruce Mowbray: :)
    Agatha Macbeth listens
    FcSeeker Resident: hm...would you like to see them ?
    Bruce Mowbray: Can you see the energy layers in the photos, then?
    Agatha Macbeth: Sure, would love to
    Bruce Mowbray: I would LOVE to see them!
    Bruce Mowbray: ***** APPLAUSE! *****
    FcSeeker Resident: ok; takes a moment from me then ; bbsoon

    Fc pops out and Stargate pops in

    Eliza Madrigal: maybe articulating understandings is different
    Bruce Mowbray: drop coming up.
    --BELL--1330
    Agatha Macbeth: Hope FC comes back :P
    Bruce Mowbray nods.
    Agatha Macbeth: Are the birds yours Brucie?
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes.
    Agatha Macbeth: Wonderful
    Bruce Mowbray: I can remove them if there's a prob.
    Agatha Macbeth: Nooooooo
    Bruce Mowbray: kk.
    Agatha Macbeth: Please don't
    Bruce Mowbray: Just let me know, folks.
    Bruce Mowbray: I don't want them to cause lag for anyone.
    Eliza Madrigal: FC said it would take a moment...sure it isn't the birds' fault
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: :)
    Wol Euler: no problem
    Agatha Macbeth: I doubt they would cause lag
    Agatha Macbeth: Never met an over-scripted bird yet
    Agatha Macbeth: (or fish)
    Bruce Mowbray: The last time I heard anyone talking about Kirlian photography was in the 70's
    Agatha Macbeth: I remember Lyall Watson mentioned it in Supernature
    Bruce Mowbray: Lyall Watson!
    Agatha Macbeth: Yep
    Bruce Mowbray: wonderful!
    Agatha Macbeth: Long time ago
    Bruce Mowbray: yeppers.
    Agatha Macbeth: Think I was about 18 when I read that
    Bruce Mowbray: nods.
    Bleu Oleander: they are the aura photos?
    Agatha Macbeth: Yep
    Agatha Macbeth: Quite amazing really
    Bruce Mowbray: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyall_Watson
    Bleu Oleander: I think they were debunked a while ago?
    Bleu Oleander: maybe thinking of something else?
    Agatha Macbeth: A lot of people don't agree with his ideas no
    Bleu Oleander: ah ok
    Bruce Mowbray: Well, that was sort of my point, Bleu.
    Agatha Macbeth: They say they can be explained in other ways
    Bleu Oleander: ok
    Bruce Mowbray: Traditional scientists would probably de-bunk them,
    Bruce Mowbray: or "bunk" them....
    Bruce Mowbray: but perhaps there is REALLY something there to investigate.

    From Wikipedia: Kirlian photography has been a subject of scientific research, parapsychology research and pseudoscientific claims.[7][8] There are no clear delineations between classic scientific research, fringe research, and claims made by promoters of alternative medicine and the like. Much of the research conducted around the middle of the 20th century occurred in the former Eastern Bloc before the cold war ended and has not held up to the scrutiny of stricter Western scientific standards[citation needed].

    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Star :)
    Eliza Madrigal: I once took a photo of my daughter in a halloween costume, wearing a tiara... was cute but nothing special. A year or so later I took a photo of her up in a tree. When I showed a relative, they were immediately reminded of the first pic, so I found that... and lo and behold...
    Bleu Oleander: http://skepticalsayhow.blogspot.com/...otography.html
    Bruce Mowbray: Apparently a lot of folks think there is.
    Stargate Tone: Hello
    Eliza Madrigal: the tree photo looked as much like she was wearing a tiara as the first

    Unfortunately, I seemed to completely miss the point of what Liz was saying...

    Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Star!
    Stargate Tone: sorry; I have them only as 'an object'

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    Eliza Madrigal: quite amazing when you put the two next to each other.
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, hello Star :)
    Bleu Oleander: hello Star
    Bruce Mowbray: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: (recognizes Star!)
    Bruce Mowbray: Are you Fc's messenger lady, Star?
    Agatha Macbeth: They don't come out too well unfortunately :(
    Zen Arado: 's current display-name is "Zen".
    Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Zen!
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Zenny
    Stargate Tone: there's still to see the 'odd thing' Sergey said, that he had not seen before that one's 'aura' changes the colour this way
    Bleu Oleander: hiya Zen
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zen :)
    Stargate Tone: ah; didn't you Bruce know ?
    Zen Arado: Hi all
    Stargate Tone: ...thought that all knew already
    Stargate Tone: Hello Zen
    Stargate Tone: well....all seen them now ?
    Bruce Mowbray: Actually, I think they are quite amazing, Star.
    Wol Euler: hello zen
    Agatha Macbeth: The 'halo' effect is very interesting tho

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    Bruce Mowbray: There is DEFINTELY something there......
    Eliza Madrigal: I have not...
    Stargate Tone: ok
    Bruce Mowbray: Is that your finger?
    Eliza Madrigal: am having some lag issues....
    Stargate Tone: yes
    Zen Arado: I saw it one time
    Zen Arado: sunday nights too many online
    Bruce Mowbray wonders is those were put into sequence and animated, what they might show.
    Bruce Mowbray: if*
    Stargate Tone: ah; there's many seconds between the pics; few minutes even between some
    Bruce Mowbray: kk.
    Stargate Tone: the whole first test took about an hour, but the second we did my way, and it took only 15 min
    Bleu Oleander: what are these photos of?
    Stargate Tone: and so Sergei continued since that experience; that the person thinks ppl or what ever, that he didn't guide to think anything
    Stargate Tone: they are true kirlian pic's of me
    Bleu Oleander: look a little like PaB logos :)
    Bruce Mowbray: But are they of your finger, or what?
    --BELL--1345
    Stargate Tone: yes; finger top must be against the 'camera'

    Fc returns

    FcSeeker Resident: 's current display-name is "FcSeeker".
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes, fingertips: thought so
    Bruce Mowbray: THANK YOU for sharing that, Fc.
    Wol Euler nods.
    Agatha Macbeth: Sorry Liz, what were saying about your daughter?
    FcSeeker Resident: wanna hear my experience of them tests ?
    Eliza Madrigal: not much... just sharing a little "hm" that happened with photos
    Wol Euler listens.
    Eliza Madrigal: quite often something is happening one doesn't see until they see it in a pic
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah right, just wasn't quite clear
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes please Fc
    FcSeeker Resident: as during the first tests beginning, I felt myself to be in the cort of law
    FcSeeker Resident: and that there was huge much ppl around who had judged me
    FcSeeker Resident: and thought;
    Bleu Oleander: please excuse ... rl meeting ... take care all
    Bruce Mowbray: kk, bye Bleu!
    FcSeeker Resident: "Well...here I am, and cannot do anything else"
    Eliza Madrigal: tc Bleu
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye Bleu
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    FcSeeker Resident: but after Sergei had taken few pictures, and explaned me how new they are and so
    FcSeeker Resident: I got such delight;
    Bruce Mowbray: (I am also delighted, Fc.)
    FcSeeker Resident: and thought; "Now I am prooved the scientific way"
    Bruce Mowbray: ha ha!
    Bruce Mowbray: Your experience speaks for itself..... regardless of what "science" might say, Fc.
    FcSeeker Resident: so; that was special star mometn of my life , and specially, cuz it was a star moment to Sergei also, and soon to the chief of the Universe also
    Zen Arado: I actually saw it with a woman friend
    Zen Arado: I trust that more than a camera
    FcSeeker Resident: ***
    Zen Arado: or photo
    Bruce Mowbray: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Wow.
    FcSeeker Resident: so; all have seen them I assume....
    Zen Arado: she told me to look about 6 inches above her head in a darkish room
    Zen Arado: (my living room)
    Bruce Mowbray: I have seen photos from many sources...
    Zen Arado: and there it was !
    FcSeeker Resident: **
    Bruce Mowbray: amazing, Zen!
    FcSeeker Resident: that must have been beautiful experience
    Zen Arado: kinda violet colour
    Zen Arado: she believes in ghosts and angels
    Bruce Mowbray: https://www.google.com/search?q=kirl...w=1476&bih=796
    Zen Arado: she went with a group to an old prison that is shut down
    Zen Arado: Crumlin Road jail
    Bruce Mowbray listens carefully.
    Zen Arado: and took photos
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh my
    Bruce Mowbray: (knows about old prisons!)
    Zen Arado: she showed me misty things in them
    Zen Arado: but I don't trust photos
    Bruce Mowbray: A healthy scepticism is good.
    Eliza Madrigal: I need to pop away to have a seat for Teak... interesting session
    Eliza Madrigal: thanks
    Bruce Mowbray: bye, Liz!
    Zen Arado: kk byee Eliza
    Agatha Macbeth: Happy teaking Liz
    FcSeeker Resident: Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: bye for now!
    Wol Euler: bye eliza, take care
    Wol Euler: (six minutes to Berti)
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes, will leave at bell
    Bruce Mowbray: just received Berti's notice.
    Zen Arado: haven't seen Teak fro a long time
    Bruce Mowbray: Thanks, Wol.
    FcSeeker Resident: ...seems that Star must pic them up....they say that 'returned' items that are not to trans shall be deeleted...
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes, if she owns them
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, Stargate put them there, so she must also retrieve them.
    FcSeeker Resident: yea
    FcSeeker Resident: didn't find textures; only this object....SL had many lags
    Bruce Mowbray: If you good people will excuse me, I'm going to Berti's now.
    Bruce Mowbray: THANKS, Fc, for this amazing session.
    Zen Arado: me too
    Bruce Mowbray: Much to ponder here!
    Wol Euler: and I
    Agatha Macbeth smiles
    Wol Euler: thank you, fc
    FcSeeker Resident: ah thank you that you wanted to share
    Zen Arado: BFN
    FcSeeker Resident: C U
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes, thank you
    Wol Euler: see you there, everyone (and bye to those who don't go)
    Agatha Macbeth: Coming FC?

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