2015.02.01 01:00 - Lessons

The Guardian for this meeting was Qt Core. The comments are by Qt Core.

Qt Core: Hi Bertram
Bertram Jacobus: heya ct ! :-)
Bertram Jacobus: sry qt
Bertram Jacobus: is wol here still leading the sunday morning sessions ?
Qt Core: sometimes sl is fun, for a few secon ds your hair were fluttering at a few cm from my face...
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Qt Core: yes, or at least i don't know anything new about it
Bertram Jacobus: hehe. i know such. i read it had to do with mesh and ati graphic cards ...
Bertram Jacobus: but wol isn´t here at the moment ! why may that be ?
Qt Core: oversleeping ? ;-)
Bertram Jacobus: hehe. may be.
Qt Core: almost any other options is less funny
Bertram Jacobus: but - the board where was written who leads which sessions - disappeared ?
Qt Core: yas as there are way less of them with someone present i think, it would probably be a sad view
Bertram Jacobus: oh i see ...
Bertram Jacobus: so, how is your life, currently ?
Qt Core: quiet at the moment, cold and sunny outside, you ?
Bertram Jacobus: my mom died last year, my gf is in a hospital, so it was a difficult time for me. but i could learn a lot with all that and now i can handle all that better, at the moment at least
Bertram Jacobus: and from the 9th on, this month, i will travel for three weeks to india ...
Qt Core: not easy, finding lessons and still going is good
Bertram Jacobus: the spiritual teachers say, we only learn with difficulties
Bertram Jacobus: when life is easy we don´t have to learn
Bertram Jacobus: we can enjoy then and have a pause ... ;-)
Qt Core: the concept itself of lessons is to be able to do something one was nopt able to do, so that would be difficult by definition
Bertram Jacobus: yes. exactly
Qt Core: but quiet is still good
Bertram Jacobus: so big practitioneers even prayed for difficulties when they felt they did not have enough of them ...
Bertram Jacobus: ah. peace
Bertram Jacobus: to me, the word being became a big part in my life since a while ...
Qt Core: more than difficoult times in itself the problems is that most are unexpected
Qt Core: so one may not be ready for the lesson
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Bertram Jacobus: there can be a trust in life which says that we were ready for everything which happens
Qt Core: there is a choice, learn the lesson and go forward or not learning it and be stuck there
Bertram Jacobus: but being stuck is an illusion to me because time is going on, always forward, changes everything ...
Bertram Jacobus: the difference to me is suffering or not ...
Qt Core: yes, but one can swim the same way of the flow, let himself being dragged by it or even try with an anchor
Bertram Jacobus: yes . that´s right . i agree :-)
Bertram Jacobus: how is the political - economical situation currently in italy ? how do you feel ? how do people feel ?
Qt Core: sometimes i don't believe in not suffering, there is suffering, being ready and knowing its inevitability may lessen the impact but still..,
Bertram Jacobus: ah - there is always up and down, yes ! but when we can drop everything ... there shouldn´t be anything left which makes one suffering. and at least we can move to such less suffering is my experience ...
Qt Core: agree wiuth the last part, not everyone can reach full enlightment/"sainthood"
Bertram Jacobus: may be ...
Qt Core: about italy there is a lot of unenployment (especially the younth) and that bring discouragement and the usual idea of "send all of them (the politician) home"
Qt Core: but then what to do ? the society.state still have to be administered
Bertram Jacobus: hmmm ... polticans bashing - wide spread these days ...
Qt Core: by new people, usually without the palest idea of what to do
Qt Core: (they say)
Bertram Jacobus: yes. we need administration
Bertram Jacobus: do you have an idea why germany has a good economy these days and italy not ?
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Qt Core: back
Bertram Jacobus: welcome back
Bertram Jacobus: could you read my last question ?
Qt Core: some say that there is a difference in the life approach of catholic and protestants that may explain the difference
Bertram Jacobus: and i hope, i don´t bore or disturb you with all my questions ! if so, i stop it at once for sure
Bertram Jacobus: uh ... wow ...
Bertram Jacobus: what an "explanation" !
Qt Core: the only problem is that i don't have a complete answer ;-)
Bertram Jacobus: yes ... many don´t have ...
Bertram Jacobus: in germany the economy is great , but some are poor and we have problems with some people from other countries ... we should have corrections in the distribution of everything, worldwide
Qt Core: then there are the pure economic explanations, we are too little, not enough integrated, too much mafia.corruption
Bertram Jacobus: mafia ! i find it ... terrible !
Bertram Jacobus: but what do you mean with not enough integrated ?
Qt Core: and it is all around , it is decades since it was only a south issues, they go where the money are and most are in Rome and in the northern areas
Bertram Jacobus: ah. i see
Bertram Jacobus: i think, we should fight that
Qt Core: to many small industries, usually family run
Qt Core: *too
Bertram Jacobus: ah. hmm ...
Bertram Jacobus: but ... what i see all the time, is : we all have enough to eat, to drink, houses, clothing, even cars most of the people. anf television internet ... so : so bad can´t the situation be (?)
Bertram Jacobus: it´s mainly a matter of being fair and smart i find ...
Qt Core: with the idea of fairness being very ehm, "personal" ;-)
Bertram Jacobus: i mean it in a sense which should be wide spread ... ;-)
Bertram Jacobus: may be we experience a change of time and ourselves
Bertram Jacobus: okay qt thx for the chat have a good time i log off
Qt Core: ok, i'l try to remember how to post a session then ;-)
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Bertram Jacobus: great ! ... :-)