2009.02.02 19:00 - The power of stories

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Threedee Shepherd.


    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Susi Alcott: hi Threedee
    Threedee Shepherd: hi, one sec
    Threedee Shepherd: I don't recall that we have met. Hello :)
    Threedee Shepherd: Thank you :)
    Threedee Shepherd: Susi has provided this wonderful pillow
    Adelene Dawner: ah :)
    Threedee Shepherd: BOTH colorful and comfortable
    Adelene Dawner: Storm complained when I made these colorful. ;P
    Susi Alcott: well; once in PaB meeting before
    Threedee Shepherd: ahh
    Threedee Shepherd: _/:\_
    Adelene Dawner: ^.^
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Adelene Dawner: Thank you, Susi :)
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Threedee Shepherd: Susi, do you have a topic or thought you would like to bring up tonight?
    Susi Alcott: well...there's been two topics in my mind
    Susi Alcott: name is the other
    Susi Alcott: moment is the other
    Susi Alcott: but dont know if anybody wants such topic
    Threedee Shepherd: say more about moment, please
    Susi Alcott: hi Sandoon
    Sandoon Ying: HEY sUSI.
    Susi Alcott: well...as there's much speech how people cannot live the moment
    Sandoon Ying: Uh, how could yo do anything else?
    Susi Alcott: sure it's more than normal to think the 'past' and 'dream' about the future
    Threedee Shepherd: yes, and why do you link moment with "other"
    Susi Alcott: ah
    Susi Alcott: when one thinks the pats one lives that
    Susi Alcott: when thinks the future one lives in a way nowhere
    Threedee Shepherd: is the present moment lived and not thought?
    Susi Alcott: one is where one's mind is
    Susi Alcott: if not so thought, then it's maybe not so lived either
    Susi Alcott: only been
    Susi Alcott: existed
    Threedee Shepherd: So, there is SOME moment being thought, past, present or future?
    Susi Alcott: ah sure
    Susi Alcott: well
    Susi Alcott: why I've thought that lately more is because I have lived so totally the moment
    Susi Alcott: that I have not been able to continue my writhing of what happened
    Susi Alcott: writing
    Sandoon Ying: funny typo
    Susi Alcott: as to me it happenes that when I 'look back' to what's happened; speak or write about it ; I live that again
    Threedee Shepherd: Yes. I am still back at why you used the word "other"
    Susi Alcott: ah
    Adelene Dawner: 'lo Steve ^.^
    Susi Alcott: ah
    Sandoon Ying: Hy stev
    Susi Alcott: that the other topic I've thought is name; the other ; the moment
    Susi Alcott: hi stevenaia
    Sandoon Ying: I think those folks smoke a lot of pot
    Sandoon Ying: Golly.
    Threedee Shepherd: hi steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: hi
    Threedee Shepherd: no we get high naturally
    Threedee Shepherd: when we experience the past, it becomes the present moment in a very real way.
    Susi Alcott: yes
    stevenaia Michinaga: reliving the past?
    Susi Alcott: have always had difficulties to get any distance to the 'past'
    Susi Alcott: when ever I speak of it or write it down
    Susi Alcott: I live that again as the present
    Threedee Shepherd: When we think of the past and "experience" aspects of it, we do so with the identical parts of the brain that also experience the present
    Susi Alcott: to me happnes that I experience only the person/s to whom I tell or write (even if I have this person only in my mind; not near me)
    stevenaia Michinaga: like the memories of smell transport you to a past event
    Susi Alcott: much like that, but then the so called past joins more with the present without that the present surrounding disappears
    Threedee Shepherd: Susi, that sounds very much like bringing the past (or the imagined) into the moment in a very direct way
    Susi Alcott: you may use that expression too
    Susi Alcott: have spoken about this with 'few' people; have not met other one who's experienced the same way 'always'
    Susi Alcott: meaning that sure there's exeptions too some times
    Susi Alcott: but the first time I experience that to be trouble
    Threedee Shepherd: not clear what you mean by the "same way always"
    Susi Alcott: not met anybody who would've tell that one would've experience the same way than I
    Susi Alcott: living so totally to past telling about it
    stevenaia Michinaga: it is difficult to follow (the translation) sometimes, Susi
    Threedee Shepherd: is it relevant that all of our livfe, except a momentary sliver is "the past"? How can we do otherwise than live it or in its implicit context?
    Susi Alcott: sorry
    Threedee Shepherd: what are you sorry about, I understand you
    stevenaia Michinaga: ...smile
    stevenaia Michinaga: could be me who should be sorry
    Susi Alcott: my lag in english and 'my language'
    Susi Alcott: as my friends from Us and Brittain have told me that I have 'my own language' in english too
    Susi Alcott: that I am not easily understood
    Threedee Shepherd: It is direct and sensible
    stevenaia Michinaga: and other times you are clearer than water
    Susi Alcott: thank you my friend
    Adelene Dawner wonders if Susi was trying to communicate that his memory of the past seems to be much better than most peoples'?
    Susi Alcott: hm
    stevenaia Michinaga: much of what we do is a reflection of the past. it helps is understand the present
    Susi Alcott: is that about good memory ?
    Susi Alcott: even I then 'forget' the present ?
    Susi Alcott: or could it be 'traveling in time' ?
    Threedee Shepherd: Perhaps you could say more about what you mean when you say "present" which is always instantly becomming the past ?
    Susi Alcott: well...as the 'past' turnes to be just like the 'present', but telling about it the 'present' disappears from my awareness, but the person to whom I tell
    Susi Alcott: hm
    Susi Alcott: what is the prob
    Susi Alcott: I do write 'few books' almost daily
    Susi Alcott: so I'm quite quick to write
    Threedee Shepherd: what are they about
    Susi Alcott: but that happens because I 'speak' so much with many people
    Susi Alcott: ah; many different things
    Susi Alcott: but it's been more difficult for me to write about something that happened if not somebody asks for that in present
    Susi Alcott: well
    Susi Alcott: wanted to bring this out because it's so much taken to be problem that people cannot so fully live the present
    Susi Alcott: because to be 'able' to do that can be also 'bad' thing
    Threedee Shepherd: you are saying that you need a "listener/reader" in order to tell the story, it seems.
    Susi Alcott: yes
    Susi Alcott: ?
    Susi Alcott: ponders Squees words
    Threedee Shepherd: Susi, does your ? refer to the statement by Squee
    Susi Alcott: I'm pondering yes; Squee's statement
    Threedee Shepherd: Squee is the little mouse on Adelene's head. He/it says somewhat random quotes from time to time.
    Susi Alcott: I know
    Susi Alcott: but I dont know if that is a joke or not
    Susi Alcott: or ment to be a joke or not
    Threedee Shepherd: It is not meant as a joke. However, the quotes often relate in a peculariar way to the conversation that is going on.
    Susi Alcott: I've noticed
    Susi Alcott: that's why I'm pondering the meaning of that sentence
    Threedee Shepherd: And, the quote spoken may be randomly chosen from a premade list, however, it was Adelene who made the choices ofd what quotes to put on the list.
    Susi Alcott: does it mean something good or bad ?
    Adelene Dawner: He's random, I swear. But random things do seem to do that surprisingly often.
    Adelene Dawner: That quote? It's advice, as I read it.
    Susi Alcott: as well as Faels 'pet'
    Threedee Shepherd: Yes
    Susi Alcott: been wise so many times
    Susi Alcott: ah
    Susi Alcott: you pls ask me something easy that I can understand and be clear with my answer :))
    Threedee Shepherd: Susi, when you write, what is it that you want the listener/reader to hear?
    Susi Alcott: what I'm wanted to tell about
    Susi Alcott: as so many people askes me to tell ; to write, of so many things that has happened
    Threedee Shepherd: the story itself, or more than that, such as the implicdations of the story?
    Susi Alcott: depends
    Susi Alcott: somebody wants to hear only the phenomenas, but mostly people want to know also the purpose;
    Susi Alcott: like the lesson of the story
    Susi Alcott: and effects to what the phenomenas has effected to
    Threedee Shepherd: Do you think the lesson was the reason the events in the story happened, or that we think the lesson up later as one possible explanation?
    Susi Alcott: well; sure all the 'stories' have teached something to me, but that's an other thing
    Threedee Shepherd: I remember stories and lessons they might have, more easily than just facts.
    Susi Alcott: sure some stories I tell because the story tells the answer to the person's question
    Susi Alcott: that way I in a way write many books almost daily
    Susi Alcott: have experienced 'few' stories to tell :)*
    Susi Alcott: but that's easy
    Susi Alcott: because there's the listener then
    Susi Alcott: some people have thought me to be so called automate writer :)
    Susi Alcott: or so called channeler
    Threedee Shepherd: How is it that people came to ask you for the stories so often?
    Susi Alcott: but I'm neither of such
    Susi Alcott: because people make such questions so many times that can be answered only with an example
    Susi Alcott: only few people make such questions that are easy to answer with the base truth
    Susi Alcott: like for example I've asked lately quite much that how do I heal
    Susi Alcott: in a way I could write few bibles trying to answer
    Susi Alcott: on the other hand I can say breafly that I do 'nothing'
    Threedee Shepherd: do people come to you for healing?
    Susi Alcott: yes
    Susi Alcott: not all, but many
    Susi Alcott: but that's many other stories :)
    Susi Alcott: we can let them be
    Threedee Shepherd: If stories are useful lessons, It sounds like it is their thoughts that need healing.
    Susi Alcott: is there something else that can be healed ?
    Threedee Shepherd: a broken bone
    Susi Alcott: that's different somehow ?
    Threedee Shepherd: Oh, Susi, that question is the start of a deep conversation.
    Susi Alcott: oh
    Susi Alcott: well
    Susi Alcott: also broken bone can be healed with thoughts
    Threedee Shepherd: If the term "a broken heart" translates well for you, a broken heart is much different than a broken bone, at least physically
    Susi Alcott: also broken heart needs the thoughts to be healed
    Susi Alcott: may I tell one story concerning broken heart ?
    Threedee Shepherd: yes but what it is that needs healing is less obvious in the case of a broken bone than heart. And yes, please tell
    Susi Alcott: there was this man who was afraid to go and love
    Susi Alcott: I asked him to go and love
    Susi Alcott: because he told that he love's one girl
    Susi Alcott: then he asked that what if that girl leaves him
    Susi Alcott: to that I said; 'Then keep tight to your love for her and let it carry you foreward'
    Susi Alcott: this man went and loved
    Susi Alcott: the girl left him soon
    Susi Alcott: his heart didn't get broken
    Susi Alcott: because he had right thoughts ; not needed to be healed
    Susi Alcott: broken bone comes for not right thoughts
    Susi Alcott: one has not been carefull enough
    Susi Alcott: that's why I dont see any difference between broken bone or broken heart
    Susi Alcott: sure I can be blind too
    Threedee Shepherd: I am thinking about the story and what you just said about right thoughts
    Susi Alcott: pls tell me...
    Threedee Shepherd: Are you saying that if I act because of right thoughts, or right intentions, then I will not be broken by whatever is the result?
    Susi Alcott: that I mean
    Susi Alcott: but I dont mean that any human could have only right thoughts
    Threedee Shepherd: yes
    Susi Alcott: and think that there is the purpose of wrong thoughts too
    Susi Alcott: many times
    Threedee Shepherd: do you say that wrong thoughts can have a good purpose?
    Susi Alcott: all depends on many things in life
    Susi Alcott: yes
    Threedee Shepherd: how is that
    Susi Alcott: they can lead to such kind of experiencies that one wouldn't get otherwise
    Susi Alcott: so in a way there's not so much genuinly wrong thoughts
    Threedee Shepherd: are they experiences that one needs?
    Susi Alcott: but such that stoppes something that should go foreward
    Susi Alcott: surely not always, but very many times that is so
    Susi Alcott: hm
    Susi Alcott: getting back to my nowadays prob
    Susi Alcott: I dont know which of my thoughts are wrong thoughts
    Threedee Shepherd: do you mean nowadays problem
    Susi Alcott: them thoughts that I should write more alone
    Susi Alcott: or that I feel need to answer the calls I get from people who keeps me to live the present that I cannot write about the 'past'
    Threedee Shepherd: it sounds like you said that if you write about right thoughts there will be a lesson for others and if you write about wrong thoughts there will be a lesson for you
    Susi Alcott: just brought an example of wrong thoughts ; that it's not any easy to know which thought is the wrong one
    Susi Alcott: meaning that I have some wrong thoughts, because I experience trouble
    Susi Alcott: but I myself cannot judge that which are those wrong thoughts
    Threedee Shepherd: that is true. It is true even after the outcome , because you cannot go back and do over in a different way
    Susi Alcott: agree 130 %
    Susi Alcott: and would be more than glad if anybody could help me to heal my wrong thoughts
    Susi Alcott: but cannot know anybody who could so I know that I surely must just chooce myself
    Threedee Shepherd: we all are in that same position. Conversations like this and others at PaB do help to clarify thoughts for me, sometimes.
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Susi Alcott: it's always help when one can speak to somebody else
    Threedee Shepherd: yes. I have another question
    Susi Alcott: we can always learn much also from the words that rises for other people
    Susi Alcott: pls feel free to ask
    Susi Alcott: I feel free to give the best answer I can
    Threedee Shepherd: Do ALL bad outcomes come from bad thoughts? Can the world simply randomly work imperfectly, no matter how much care is taken?
    Susi Alcott: the world does not work imperfectly; the world works out all the time based on the unbrakeable law
    Susi Alcott: of reasons and concequensies
    Threedee Shepherd: what is that law? Do you mean that everything arises perfectly?
    Susi Alcott: so all what happenes genuin bad, is based on wrong thoughts
    Susi Alcott: reasons and concequensies is that unbrakeable law
    Susi Alcott: all phenomenas has the reason
    Susi Alcott: no matter if the reason is not to be seen 'today'
    Susi Alcott: there still is one
    Susi Alcott: at least
    Threedee Shepherd: If I am walking through a forest and a branch high up in a tree breaks off and falls on me and injures me, is that a result of my bad thoughts?
    Susi Alcott: then you have not been carefull enough
    Adelene Dawner: is 'bad' imperfect?
    Susi Alcott: that you didn't 'check' the state of the tree you was to walk under
    Threedee Shepherd: how can I be careful enough to avoid a random falling branch that I did not even see falling until it hit me?
    Susi Alcott: but...who would do such ?
    Adelene Dawner: if everything arises perfectly... do 'bad' things arise imperfectly? how about bad thoughts?
    Susi Alcott: the branches do not fall without the reason
    Threedee Shepherd: I walk in the woods sometimes. It is calm, but a branch was broken long ago by a storm. It finally breaks lose and falls on me. How could I have prepared for that.
    Susi Alcott: there is some damage to see before it fells down
    Susi Alcott: looking up for example
    Susi Alcott: ?
    Susi Alcott: looking at that tree before you walked under it
    Susi Alcott: pls notice that I also said that who would do such
    Threedee Shepherd: There was an apple tree in my yard. One branch rotted from the inside out, with no evidence on the surface. How could I have known about that. Must I suspect every sturdy-looking branch?
    Adelene Dawner: and what if you trip over a rock while you're busy looking at the trees?
    Susi Alcott: so it's normal for human to walk in the forest not finding out at first in what state the branches are
    Threedee Shepherd: In a big forest it is not possible for me to find out and know what state every branch is in
    Adelene Dawner: maybe 'perfect' isn't the same as 'safe'
    Susi Alcott: to Adele; one can look up and down before to step foreward
    Susi Alcott: to know the state of the tree even the damage is inside is also possible
    Adelene Dawner thinks Susi needs to meed Avastu.
    Adelene Dawner: *meet
    stevenaia Michinaga: night all
    Adelene Dawner: 'night, Steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: thank you
    Susi Alcott: I have met Avastu many times
    Threedee Shepherd: night steve
    Susi Alcott: night steve
    Susi Alcott: hi Magdalena
    Magdalena Colclough: hi all
    Magdalena Colclough: sorry to rezz right in the middle of you all
    Susi Alcott: but may I ask the reason to your saying Adelene ?
    Susi Alcott: np
    Susi Alcott: pls join us if you want
    Threedee Shepherd: np, you could not know in advance, given the vaguries of SL
    Adelene Dawner: you can ask, but I don't know that I can explain it. hehe
    Adelene Dawner: Avastu is *very* good at explaining what 'perfectly' is supposed to mean, there.
    Susi Alcott: well, if this gives you some concolation; I've spoken much with Avastu
    Susi Alcott: and also helped himg
    Susi Alcott: him
    Threedee Shepherd: Susi, I was thinking of the fact that Avastu is so strong in saying that Everything arises perfectly.
    Susi Alcott: ah
    Susi Alcott: that I had not heared him to say
    Threedee Shepherd: That sounds like bad results are therefore always the results of bad thoughts
    Susi Alcott: I'd add that genuinly bad things
    Susi Alcott: that does not say that the bad thoughts couldn't be also somebody elses thoughts
    Susi Alcott: which creates bad things to somebody else
    Threedee Shepherd: I am still thinking that some things happen that are beyond my thoughts or ability to reaslistically see.
    Susi Alcott: but mostly that also is the question of the wrong thought of the receiver
    Threedee Shepherd: Yes, I understand the meaning of other persons bad thoughts.
    Susi Alcott: well; I have not ment to critisize; all people have wrong thoughts
    Susi Alcott: but you asked about such things that is possible to check out
    Threedee Shepherd: I did not mean you are criticizing
    Susi Alcott: or not to go to the forest
    Susi Alcott: yes; ment only to brigh out that it's possible
    Threedee Shepherd: Whatever I do, there is risk I cannot avoid, because I am intrinsically imperfect and connot know all things.
    Susi Alcott: to whom to make the possibility to come true is possible
    Susi Alcott: that's an other story
    Susi Alcott: just the same with all of the people
    Susi Alcott: and no matter how well you think yourself; yes; somebody elses bad thoughts may hurt you
    Susi Alcott: but then again; you can get to be healed too
    Susi Alcott: sure that is not so simple either
    Susi Alcott: dont know many simple things in life
    Threedee Shepherd: it sounds like actual living is a seeries of breakages and healings. It sounds like that is inevitable.
    Susi Alcott: agree
    Susi Alcott: could be taken also as the purpose of human life
    Threedee Shepherd: true.
    Threedee Shepherd: Susi, this has been a good conversation that you started with your topic.
    Susi Alcott: oh
    Susi Alcott: in case you take it so I feel good
    Threedee Shepherd: I thank you for it. I must go now and hope we can talk again soon.
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
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