The Guardian for this meeting was Bruce Mowbray. The comments are by Bruce Mowbray.

Wol Euler: I guess
Eliza Madrigal: so wants a lot of attention now
Yakuzza Lethecus: i could take the 18th at 7 am
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: i mean 1 am
Alfred Kelberry: aph! :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Boxy!!
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Aph :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Eliza
Alfred Kelberry: nice hat :)
Aphrodite Macbain: I loved reading the chat from last night
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, thanks so much
Aphrodite Macbain: I'll have to remember to come next Monday
Eliza Madrigal: it was a nice session
Wol Euler: hello aph
Eliza Madrigal: that would be great
Aphrodite Macbain: everyone was so considerate and thoughtful, not like the regular sessions!
Alfred Kelberry: what parts you liked the most, aph?
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Mickorod Renard: hi everyone, I am slow , sorry
Aphrodite Macbain: hmmm. exercises her imperfect memory
Aphrodite Macbain: your discussion about appreciating appearance.
Aphrodite Macbain: I'm still trying to make sense of it
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Eliza Madrigal: me too, nearly 3 years later...
FcSeeker Resident: Hello Aph
Eliza Madrigal: that's the fun:)
Aphrodite Macbain tickles Boxy's ears
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Yaku, Wol, Mick
Alfred Kelberry: isn't it "being in the moment" worded differently?
Alfred Kelberry: *licks aph's hand*
Eliza Madrigal: could be
Aphrodite Macbain puts down her sandwich
Alfred Kelberry: pemayana version :)
Aphrodite Macbain: lol
Eliza Madrigal: :) I do like that term, hah
FcSeeker Resident: ah yes...
Wol Euler: a nice coinage, boxy
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Korel
Alfred Kelberry: *bows*
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Fc. Sorry I missed you! Hi Bruce
FcSeeker Resident: that is also this very 'something' why my heart is bleeding now...
Eliza Madrigal: oh, guess there is a workshop...
Bruce Mowbray: Wow! So many folks here today!!

--BELL--

Alfred Kelberry: Bruce!
Eliza Madrigal: oh FcS... sorry to hear that
Aphrodite Macbain gives Fc and bandaid
FcSeeker Resident: hi Bruce
Mickorod Renard: hi bruce
Wol Euler: hello bruce, korel
Alfred Kelberry: kori :)
Korel Laloix: Heya
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, Maxine's Dream Circle meets at this hour.
Yakuzza Lethecus: going to the dream session
Bruce Mowbray: in the Kira Cafe.
Aphrodite Macbain: nice twirls Eliza
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye for now
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bruce :) nice to see you
Eliza Madrigal: thanks... been practicing
Alfred Kelberry: thought it was a bathing suit, kori :)
Bruce Mowbray: Bye to all the dreamers!
Wol Euler: is my computer crazy, or has it only just turned 1pm SL
Wol Euler: ?
Alfred Kelberry: yep
Alfred Kelberry: 1 pm
Wol Euler: ah, right, duh, it is at 1pm
Wol Euler: bye! heheheheh
Wol Euler: take care
Eliza Madrigal: lets do the time warp again....
Alfred Kelberry: :P
Bruce Mowbray: Yeppers, just turned 1 p.m. slt, Wol.
Aphrodite Macbain: For me the appreciation of the appearance of being is like seeing an old friend and recognizing how wonderful they are
Mickorod Renard: I am gonna try n get to dreams
Alfred Kelberry: and she gracefully skated way
Eliza Madrigal: :)) Aph
Mickorod Renard: c u later
Eliza Madrigal: :)) Have a lovely session everyone
Aphrodite Macbain: are you outa here?
Alfred Kelberry: aph, ah... this is what the meetup was then :)
Eliza Madrigal: dream workshop, then a break for a few weeks...
Eliza Madrigal: bfn, hugs
Alfred Kelberry: i see woly
Alfred Kelberry: she must be lost
Bruce Mowbray: bye, Eliza!
Aphrodite Macbain has no idea what Eliza and Alf are talking about
Alfred Kelberry: huh?
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Korel
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Korel and Boxy!
Aphrodite Macbain: people went poof
Alfred Kelberry: ok, folks. i'll go check the dream thing.
Alfred Kelberry: kira cafe
Bruce Mowbray: kk. Bye, Boxy!
Alfred Kelberry: you be good :)
Aphrodite Macbain watches wol skate on the grass
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, 0!
Aphrodite Macbain: and watches Boxy chase after wol
Aphrodite Macbain: and wonders...
Aphrodite Macbain: I am drinking my first egg nog of the season.
Aphrodite Macbain: Cheers
Bruce Mowbray: OHHH! Wonderful, Aph!
Korel Laloix: I like the idea of Eggnog.. but not the results.
Bruce Mowbray: I'm still catching up on my nog from last season.
Aphrodite Macbain: Normally I make my own but bought it this time. Put a little bit of single malt in it. Makes things merrier
Aphrodite Macbain: How are you Fc?
Bruce Mowbray: a little bit of single malt makes EVERYTHING merrier.
Aphrodite Macbain: I miss seeing you
Aphrodite Macbain: lol
oO0Oo Resident: 〜waves〜
oO0Oo Resident: ☻/
oO0Oo Resident: /▌
oO0Oo Resident: / \
Bruce Mowbray: yes, I missed you too, Fc.
FcSeeker Resident: well...still my heart is bleeding
Aphrodite Macbain: Hey sam
Bruce Mowbray: How was your visit to America?
FcSeeker Resident: Hello O
oO0Oo Resident: Think I'll head to Dream Workshop, but wanted to say hi
FcSeeker Resident: Hello Korel
Aphrodite Macbain: Can you tell me how you make those great um images/text?
Bruce Mowbray: kk. Bye, 0.
FcSeeker Resident: I'm still here :))))))))
Korel Laloix: Heya
FcSeeker Resident: more than 2 months still
Aphrodite Macbain: yayy/ Oh the dream workshop - every Tuesday at 1?
Korel Laloix: Make what?
Bruce Mowbray: Oh! You're still over here???
Aphrodite Macbain: those little emoticon w\thingies
Bruce Mowbray: wow.
Aphrodite Macbain: wow?
Bruce Mowbray: wow that Fc is still in America.
Aphrodite Macbain: are you having fun?
Bruce Mowbray listens for a full report.
FcSeeker Resident: and eating spearmint candies atm :)))
Aphrodite Macbain: what have you discovered that you didn't know before?
FcSeeker Resident: all that I have discovered...as I sure had no awareness of anything here, because never been here before in my this incarnation
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Dash!
FcSeeker Resident: Hello Dash
Dash Earthboy: hey y'all
Aphrodite Macbain: I'm looking forward to the WOK meeting on Thursday, Bruce. Thanks for sending out all that info on the log
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Dash. How are you?
Bruce Mowbray: sure, cool. Glad you got it.
Dash Earthboy: hey Aph
Aphrodite Macbain: I give you permission to use anything I said about Sangha on Monday
Bruce Mowbray: oh my, well, thank you, Aph! but I will let you speak for yourself.... (always better) ;-)

Aphrodite Macbain: How's the selling going Dash?
 Dash Earthboy: good to see y'all here
Aphrodite Macbain: Ok
Dash Earthboy: i have needed to notify Guardians about the behavior of one of their own and my response to him
Dash Earthboy: i will take my leave now and see where things settle
Dash Earthboy: pax et bonum y'all
Aphrodite Macbain: Thanks Dash. That's a lot to read. I'll look at it later.
Aphrodite Macbain: Pax and bonum to you too Dash
Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Dash!
Aphrodite Macbain: Hmm I wonder if he only came to deliver that
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, I told him it was a lot to read, too, Aph.
Bruce Mowbray: also said that he would always be welcome in this session.
Bruce Mowbray: Soooooo. . . during the drop I shall ponder "WE"
Aphrodite Macbain: yes, He makes a good point

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--BELL--

Aphrodite Macbain begins to ponder
Aphrodite Macbain: I like to be part of a we, but I don't feel that everything I say is in accordance with the members of the 'we collective'
Bruce Mowbray is reading Dash's notecard and wondering whether to include it in the log.
Aphrodite Macbain: so I don't like others to speak in my behalf.
Bruce Mowbray: yeah.
Bruce Mowbray: me neither.
Aphrodite Macbain: I would ask both Dash and Zen whether you could
Korel Laloix: Just got back.. what notecard?
Bruce Mowbray: that's why I thought about putting the notecard into the chat log - so Dash could speak for himself.
Bruce Mowbray finds human interactions to be fascinating.
Aphrodite Macbain: yes- if this was a private conversation , we shouldn't publicize it
Bruce Mowbray: a bit peculiar at times, but also fascinating.
Bruce Mowbray: Seems it's not so private anymore, Aph.
Aphrodite Macbain finds human interactions to be bewildering
Bruce Mowbray: kk.
Aphrodite Macbain: what do you think, Korel and Fc?
Bruce Mowbray: How did you all do with pondering "WE" during the drop?
Bruce Mowbray: perhaps the problem with "WE" is all those bewildering "others"
FcSeeker Resident: of what ?
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Bruce Mowbray: Fc didn't get the notecard.
Aphrodite Macbain: of the concept of us, and whether any member of us (we) can speak on our behalf Fc
Bruce Mowbray: apparently.
Korel Laloix: Dash and I see things very differently so I am sure he did not send me the card... lol
Bruce Mowbray: I know that I cannot speak on behalf of ANYONE.
Bruce Mowbray: I wish Dash had stayed to speak for himself.
FcSeeker Resident: imo
Aphrodite Macbain: Tho it is very easy to say, "we think" or "we believe"
Bruce Mowbray: I told him that he'd always be welcome in this session.
FcSeeker Resident: anybody to speak on behalf of me hurts
Aphrodite Macbain: and Zen's point was don't
Bruce Mowbray: It's not only easy, Aph, but sometimes it is also quite appropriate.,
Aphrodite Macbain: Don't take it so seriously - it's a manner of speech
FcSeeker Resident: specially when not asked anything from myself ...how I think or feel or so....
Bruce Mowbray: sure, it is an image.
Bruce Mowbray: like all of religion, actually.
Bruce Mowbray: images.
Bruce Mowbray: symbols.
Bruce Mowbray: approximations.
Aphrodite Macbain: we have many figures of speech that are inaccurate
Bruce Mowbray: You know, I was reading in Alan Watts recently....
Aphrodite Macbain: (too much scotch in the egg nog)
Bruce Mowbray: and he says that Christianity is the only religion that takes its miracles seriously.
Bruce Mowbray: (which means "literally")
Aphrodite Macbain: really?
Bruce Mowbray: never can get too much scotch, Aph.
Bruce Mowbray: (my opinion, of course).
Aphrodite Macbain: The ability to perform miracles was one of the criteria for being holy - waaaay back in Christ's time and before
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, miracles were thought to be a "sign"
Aphrodite Macbain: right
Bruce Mowbray: What are our "signs"?
Aphrodite Macbain: and a criteria to be a saint
Aphrodite Macbain: signs for what Bruce?
Bruce Mowbray: Do we need an agreement about "signs" in order to become a "WE"?
Aphrodite Macbain shakes her head in bewilderment
Bruce Mowbray: To the First Century Christians, it mattered that someone could perform miracles. . .
Bruce Mowbray: and that was a "sign" of authenticity.
Aphrodite Macbain: yes
Aphrodite Macbain: does it matter now?
Bruce Mowbray: so, the New Testament is full of "signs."
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, does it matter now?
Bruce Mowbray: different time, different context.
Aphrodite Macbain: what is an example of a "sign" today?
Bruce Mowbray: Wow! What a wonderful question, Aph!
Bruce Mowbray: Hello, bearwoulz.
Bruce Mowbray: I need to ask you if you've been here before.
FcSeeker Resident: aawwwww
Aphrodite Macbain: That's what I thought you were asking Bruce and I was turning the question back at you
Bruce Mowbray: Our chat log is published in a wiki for everyone to read.
FcSeeker Resident: aw woooooooooow what happened here in RL
bearsoulz0891 Resident: no i haven't, im just exploring, is that ok?
Bruce Mowbray: Is that OK with you, Bear?
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, please do join us!
Aphrodite Macbain looks everywhere for bearsoul
Bruce Mowbray: I love wolves!!!!
FcSeeker Resident: WHAT A DISCOVERING <3<3<3<3<3<3<3
Bruce Mowbray: yes!
Aphrodite Macbain: found you!!
Aphrodite Macbain: please come and join us
FcSeeker Resident: I met a mail girl who is SOOOO bright that WOOOW , and she truly liked to meet me also
Aphrodite Macbain: a mail girl?
Aphrodite Macbain: what is that Fc?
Bruce Mowbray: I just gave Bear a notecard about this group.
FcSeeker Resident: she told how it's her job to say 'welcome', but then she laughed and said that I am truly welcome and she truly spoke from her hearts

--BELL--

FcSeeker Resident: so wonderful it was to meet her
Aphrodite Macbain: I'm glad you found a friend
FcSeeker Resident: so sorry Aph; this mail girl I say; mail carrier is the proper word...
Aphrodite Macbain: Bearsoul. Please tell us about yourself
FcSeeker Resident: I have met so many official persons, but only two such that I've truly loved to meet....
Aphrodite Macbain: Oh OK. as in someone who delivers mail to your home. Nice that you had the opportunity to talk to each other
Bruce Mowbray hopes Bearsoul will stay.
FcSeeker Resident: and the other of them was in the airport in Atlanta when I arrived...as I was examined like I'd been a terrorist....
bearsoulz0891 Resident gets nervous and shy and slowly backs away
Bruce Mowbray: Yeah, it's like that in America, Fc.
Bruce Mowbray: I apologize for our paranoia.
FcSeeker Resident: ah...why bearsoul to go away ???
Bruce Mowbray: He just backed off -- like a good self-respecting wolf would.
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Frenchie.
FcSeeker Resident: ...I sparkled too much ???
Aphrodite Macbain: Bonjour Frenchie
FcSeeker Resident: Hello Frenchie
Bruce Mowbray: I need to ask you, Frenchie, have you been here before?
Frenchie Riverstone: hi
bearsoulz0891 Resident: im a fox not a wolf, and a girl not a boy
Bruce Mowbray: and also WELCOME!
Aphrodite Macbain: yes she has
Bruce Mowbray: Oh sorry, Bear!!  (errrr, I mean "fox"!)
Bruce Mowbray: Bearwolf is a girl. . .!
Aphrodite Macbain: glad we got that clear!! :-)
Bruce Mowbray gets mixed up easily about such things.
Aphrodite Macbain: a fox with a wolf's name
Korel Laloix: I have that problem RL all the time... frowns
Bruce Mowbray: So glad you've joined us, Frenchie.
Frenchie Riverstone: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: why is identity so important to us?
Bruce Mowbray: why is gender so important to us?
FcSeeker Resident: hi Qt
Korel Laloix: Well, I don't like being treated like a kid.
Aphrodite Macbain: salve qt. come vai?
Qt Core: Hi all
Aphrodite Macbain: stai bene?
Korel Laloix: And it is important as society forces it on us.. for good and bad.
Bruce Mowbray: Frenchie, is it OK with you that I post whatever you say in chat into our online wiki?
Korel Laloix: But have to go back to RL...
Korel Laloix: Take care all.
Aphrodite Macbain: are you treated like a kid Korel?
Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Kori!
Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
Aphrodite Macbain: Bye!
Frenchie Riverstone: bye
Korel Laloix: lol.. Before I go. yes, it happens a lot.
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Qt!
Aphrodite Macbain: b/c you're small?
FcSeeker Resident: hmm...
Korel Laloix: When Erin took me to the ER the other day, they asked her if I was her son....
FcSeeker Resident: do I look like identity or gender would be important to me ?
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, here's Bear!
Korel Laloix: grrr... was funny seeing her get all spun up though.
Aphrodite Macbain: nice to see you closer, bearsoul
Korel Laloix: But then the new folks that talked to me kept talking to me like I was a kid, until I told them I was an adult.
bearsoulz0891 Resident: sorry i just get nervous and shy easily
Bruce Mowbray: It's so nice to have a fox around the place.
Korel Laloix: But I have to admit, without makeup and clothes... I look like a junior high boy...
Korel Laloix: Anyway, take care all.
Bruce Mowbray: we will be gentle, Bear.
Korel Laloix: Ciao.
Aphrodite Macbain: It must be hard, Korel, to have to keep re-establishing that
Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Kori!
Bruce Mowbray: Whew!
Aphrodite Macbain: we know you are an adult woman
Bruce Mowbray: There are also so many folks coming and going during this session.
Bruce Mowbray: feels like Grand Central, sometimes.
Aphrodite Macbain: People don't commit to long
Aphrodite Macbain: Myself included
Bruce Mowbray: But still, the notion of "WE" is digging away at me.
Aphrodite Macbain: why?
Bruce Mowbray: Because, perhaps, "we" implies a "they" --- those 'others.'
Aphrodite Macbain: it surely does
Bruce Mowbray: those who are not "we"
Bruce Mowbray: I don't buy it.
Qt Core: even i implies you; every "designator" divides
Bruce Mowbray: yes, I guess so, Qt.
Bruce Mowbray: language is the problem.
Bruce Mowbray: but language also forms our consciousness..
Bruce Mowbray: if we let it.
Bruce Mowbray: even if we don't.
Qt Core: we, at least is i + you, a little better than just i ;-)
Aphrodite Macbain: We and They are simply pronouns that we can use or not
Bruce Mowbray: yeah, I like "WE".
Aphrodite Macbain: there is a reason there is the word "they"
bearsoulz0891 Resident listens curiously to the conversation
Bruce Mowbray: Seems that at least one of us does not like "we" - -
Bruce Mowbray: and he's now gone because of that.
Aphrodite Macbain: if you are trying to differentiate
Bruce Mowbray: be right back -- got to let the dog inside....
Aphrodite Macbain: I think the issue is making generalities
Frenchie Riverstone: hi
FcSeeker Resident: so...would you Bruce like if I'd told people about 'our' feelings based on mine, and not asked anything from you ???
Bruce Mowbray: (back)
Aphrodite Macbain: when it is not appropriate
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Arch!
FcSeeker Resident: or of 'our' thoughts based on mine, and doing that also without asking anything from you ?
FcSeeker Resident: hello Arch
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, making generalities.
Bruce Mowbray: but it's so difficult to speak without using the first-person plural pronoun.
Aphrodite Macbain: I agree with Dash's point, but at a certain stage, it's smartest to let it go
Aphrodite Macbain: It serves nothing to insist on it.
Bruce Mowbray: yeah, to let it go.
FcSeeker Resident: even if people arriving couldn't know that I'd be speaking generally
Aphrodite Macbain: Both are right
FcSeeker Resident: but would take my telling of 'us' to be you and me ???
Bruce Mowbray: It seems to me that the problem is with literalism.
Bruce Mowbray: Literalism and language.
Aphrodite Macbain: yes

--BELL--

Aphrodite Macbain: Bear is going round and round
Aphrodite Macbain: settling in
bearsoulz0891 Resident: whee!
Aphrodite Macbain: settle bear
Aphrodite Macbain: during this silence
Qt Core: not wanting to show his back to anyone... out of fear or respect ? ;-)
Aphrodite Macbain: Please observe 90 seconds of silence.
Archmage Atlantis: What is bad behavior?
Bruce Mowbray: Yeah, what is bad behavior?
Bruce Mowbray: I need to know.
FcSeeker Resident: sorry
Aphrodite Macbain: I must go and eat something before I do or say anything foolish
FcSeeker Resident: have to go
Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Aph!
Frenchie Riverstone: bye
Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Fc!
Aphrodite Macbain: Hugs to everyone
Qt Core: enjoy Aph
FcSeeker Resident takes a humble bow
FcSeeker Resident: namaste
Frenchie Riverstone waves
Bruce Mowbray: see what I said about folks coming and going?
Bruce Mowbray: hard to keep a consistent train of thought. . .
Bruce Mowbray: but, of course, everyone is free to come and go. . . everyone except me, of course.
Frenchie Riverstone: ???
Archmage Atlantis: Who is authorized to define behavior as bad or good?
Bruce Mowbray: Frenchie, I am what is called the "guardian" of this session.
bearsoulz0891 Resident: why can't you come and go as you please, Bruce?
Bruce Mowbray: which simply means that I welcome folks when they come,
Bruce Mowbray: and also try to keep a conversation going.
Bruce Mowbray: and I also post the chat log into our wiki later: http://wiki.playasbeing.org/Chat_Logs/2011/12
Frenchie Riverstone: ok
Bruce Mowbray: :)
bearsoulz0891 Resident: oh
bearsoulz0891 Resident tries to catch her tail
Bruce Mowbray: yes, almost every time you come here -- 1,7,1,7 (SLT) - you will find a guardian acting as sort of a coordinator of the session.
Frenchie Riverstone: :)
Bruce Mowbray remembers when he had a tail.
Frenchie Riverstone: yes
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Bruce Mowbray: Who is this "we"?
Qt Core: now you sprouted something from the other end, Bruce (antlers)
Frenchie Riverstone: we is oui non?
bearsoulz0891 Resident: its a game system, wii?
Bruce Mowbray: oui is we?
Bruce Mowbray: wii is we?
Frenchie Riverstone: :)
Bruce Mowbray: One of our regular flock left the session earlier because he didn't like the use of the term "we."
bearsoulz0891 Resident: oh
Bruce Mowbray: So, I am wondering how we interpret that term. . .
bearsoulz0891 Resident: you said 'we' again
Bruce Mowbray: I know that there are certain contexts within which I don't want to identify as "we."
Bruce Mowbray: yeppers, I did indeed say "we."
Archmage Atlantis: In the mansion of language, there are many rooms
Bruce Mowbray: don't know how to avoid it, actually.
Bruce Mowbray: I think of "us" more in terms of "we" than in terms of 'us' and 'them.'
Bruce Mowbray: in fact, I don't know any "them," actually.
Bruce Mowbray wonders if Bear ever gets tired.
Frenchie Riverstone: you confuse :(
Bruce Mowbray: I confuse.
Bruce Mowbray: I confuse myself.
Bruce Mowbray: sry.
Frenchie Riverstone: why?
bearsoulz0891 Resident: im dizzy and confused
Frenchie Riverstone: :)
Bruce Mowbray: well, I feel that it is language that confuses, actually.
bearsoulz0891 Resident plops over onto her side
Bruce Mowbray: But language is such an effective tool. . .
Bruce Mowbray: that we seem to have bought into it hook, line, and sinker.
Qt Core: i'm always confused by the English usage of you, both for singular and plural
Bruce Mowbray hope Bear can get a bit of rest.
Frenchie Riverstone: i like for to learn to speak English
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, "you" is a good example, Qt.
Qt Core: (we use the plural form, even with an uppercase first letter for singular only when being very formal and to "uppers")
Bruce Mowbray: Well, traditionally, "you" was a way of denoting status. . .
Bruce Mowbray: and superior-inferior relationship.
Qt Core: but it is a usage confusion, not something deeper as i think is the topic here you as one or many is still "someone else"
arabella Ella: Hiya!
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Ara!
Frenchie Riverstone: i have not understand, sry...i go now :)
Qt Core: hi Ara
arabella Ella: Ciao Qt!
Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Frenchie!
Qt Core: and bye Frenchie
Bruce Mowbray: The language sort of crystallizes images. . .
Bruce Mowbray: such as images of separation.
bearsoulz0891 Resident: may i go get a drink of water from somewhere for a minute?
Bruce Mowbray: so, we have pronouns that separate us in our thinking.
Bruce Mowbray: Sure, Bear...
Bruce Mowbray: but just "water"?

--BELL--

Bruce Mowbray: how about some of Aph's egg nog?
bearsoulz0891 Resident: um, no thank you im just going to find some fresh water
Mickorod Renard: hallooo
Qt Core: language reifies ideas, very useful to everyday thinking but imposes borders
arabella Ella: Hiya Micko
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, San!
Qt Core: brb, or not, don't know
Mickorod Renard: hiii
Santoshima Resident: hey, hello everyone
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Mick!
Mickorod Renard: hi Bruce,,how u doin
Bruce Mowbray: Well, I am doing well, thank you.
Bruce Mowbray: but I'm trying to keep a conversation going with many folks coming and going. . .
Bruce Mowbray: so it is difficult and a bit frustrating.
arabella Ella: you could try again now Bruce!
Mickorod Renard: ok, know what u mean
Bruce Mowbray: a good lesson in impermanence, perhaps.
arabella Ella: if u wish
Qt Core: and then I'm just being called away, bye all :-)
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Bruce Mowbray: I'm just enjoying it all!
Mickorod Renard: bye qt
Mickorod Renard: keep well
Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Qt!
arabella Ella: ciao Qt
Santoshima Resident: bye Qt
arabella Ella: I admire your patience, Bruce!
arabella Ella: Hiya Sam!
oO0Oo Resident: Hi everybody!!! :D :D :D
Bruce Mowbray: Welcome, 0!
Mickorod Renard: Hi Bear again
Santoshima Resident: hi baby
Bruce Mowbray: Welcome back, Bear!
Mickorod Renard: Hi San
Santoshima Resident: and hi sam
bearsoulz0891 Resident: hi
Bruce Mowbray dies from laughing....
bearsoulz0891 Resident: O.O
arabella Ella: please don't die now Brucie!
oO0Oo Resident giggles
Mickorod Renard: I do CPR
Santoshima Resident: check for a pulse somebody
Mickorod Renard: but I am sorry, I am not kissing him
bearsoulz0891 Resident: SOMEONE HIT HIM IN THE BALLS WITH A STICK IT WILL BRING HIM THROUGH!
bearsoulz0891 Resident: XD
Santoshima Resident: yikes
Bruce Mowbray: I tend to revive pretty well on my own, thanks.
arabella Ella: ah ... sigh of relief at seeing Brucie revived!
oO0Oo Resident: @@
Mickorod Renard: :))
oO0Oo Resident hands Bruce a protective cup
Bruce Mowbray: THANKS! 0!
Mickorod Renard: is it snowing where u r Bruce?
Bruce Mowbray: not yet.
Bruce Mowbray: although some is predicted for later in the week.
Bruce Mowbray: How about you?
Mickorod Renard: we had some an hour ago just up road in next village
arabella Ella: clear blue skies here and full moon in clear sky tonight here
arabella Ella: still very warm
arabella Ella: does not feel like Christmas
Bruce Mowbray: onigokko
Mickorod Renard: wow, there was an amazing bright moon yesterday morning, sun on one side moon on other
Bruce Mowbray: stop
arabella Ella: cool
oO0Oo Resident: onigokko
Santoshima Resident: keep going!
oO0Oo Resident: stop
bearsoulz0891 Resident: DONT STEP ON ME PLZ
Santoshima Resident: bearsoul needs the animation
Bruce Mowbray wonders how he might explain the onigokko to the fox.
Bruce Mowbray: I shall give it to you, Bear.
oO0Oo Resident: 'course not Bear! Neither shall we.. er.. be hitting you with a stick :)
bearsoulz0891 Resident: i wont hit anyone with a stick ok?
bearsoulz0891 Resident: it was a joke
oO0Oo Resident: onigokko
Bruce Mowbray: I think I have about half a dozen oni's.
Santoshima Resident: hey where in firestorm does one access the camera and movement controls?
Santoshima Resident: can you type while running?
Bruce Mowbray: Oh I understood that, Bear -- not to worry!!!!!!
Santoshima Resident: and where is inventory?
Bruce Mowbray: :)
oO0Oo Resident: stop
Santoshima Resident: { ... help? ... }
Santoshima Resident: ?
Santoshima Resident: even an IM?
Bruce Mowbray: When I wear multiple oni's I find that I sometimes stop before others -- and sometimes I keep going.
Bruce Mowbray: What do you need, San?
arabella Ella: you can type will you run yes
Mickorod Renard: that's odd
Santoshima Resident: new to Firesotrm
Santoshima Resident: can't locate camera or movement controls
Santoshima Resident: nor inventory
Bruce Mowbray: I exclusively use Viewer 2 (or whatever the number is) . . .
Bruce Mowbray: so can't help you with Firestorm.
Bruce Mowbray: sry.
Santoshima Resident: ok
Santoshima Resident: ty
Bruce Mowbray: yw.
Bruce Mowbray: looks like Bear is getting a kick out of this.
bearsoulz0891 Resident: o.o
Santoshima Resident: nice
Mickorod Renard: don't mention Kick
bearsoulz0891 Resident: MY BACK IS ICHY SO IM SCRATCHING IT OK?
Bruce Mowbray: "Kick"?
bearsoulz0891 Resident: >.<
Santoshima Resident: k bear

--BELL--

Bruce Mowbray dies from laughing....
bearsoulz0891 Resident: AHH
oO0Oo Resident dies from laughing....
Santoshima Resident: found them ...
Mickorod Renard: he he
Bruce Mowbray: I thought for a minute that I might not be able to die any more.
Bruce Mowbray: let alone laugh.
Bruce Mowbray wonders where the Dream Circle crew is. . . they usually show up about this time.
oO0Oo Resident thinks Bruce might enjoy movie, 'Zen Noir'
Bruce Mowbray: 0, the flowers in your hair remind me of San Francisco in the 60's v- - when I was a whippersnapper and lived in Berkeley.
oO0Oo Resident smiles
Bruce Mowbray: Would love to see that movie...
Bruce Mowbray: please say more, 0.
arabella Ella: what is a whippersnapper Bruce?
Bruce Mowbray: a whippersnapper is a young person.
Bruce Mowbray: I will look it up and give you a reference.
Santoshima Resident: someone who whips snappers
Santoshima Resident: or who snaps whippers
arabella Ella: snappers are fish, right? ... ask blub!
oO0Oo Resident: oh just recalled some lines.. the man asks the woman meditating what she is doing, she says "practicing" line.. "Practicing what?" he says. She replies "dying"
Mickorod Renard: in Zen Noir?
oO0Oo Resident: yes
Santoshima Resident: good line
arabella Ella: :)
oO0Oo Resident: good movie
Bruce Mowbray: http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...pper%20snapper
Santoshima Resident: yup
arabella Ella: thanks Brucie!
Bruce Mowbray wonders where Blub is.
bearsoulz0891 Resident tries to dance
arabella Ella: oh yea where is blubbie?
Santoshima Resident: is the bearsoul aoh good bearsoul ... was worried a little...
Bruce Mowbray: He was sleeping. . . I just woke him.
Bruce Mowbray: Bearsoul is a GOOD bearsoul.
arabella Ella: Hey Blub good to see you again babe!
Bruce Mowbray: Take my word on that!
bearsoulz0891 Resident: what?
Bruce Mowbray: Blub waves an appreciative fin.
arabella Ella smiles
arabella Ella: (at Blub of course)
Bruce Mowbray: Blub wants to meet Bear.
arabella Ella: (a fishy smile)
bearsoulz0891 Resident: who's Blub?
arabella Ella: my best friend
Bruce Mowbray: Blub is my blue fish.
Santoshima Resident: small blue fishy familiar of Bruce
bearsoulz0891 Resident: \FISHY!
Bruce Mowbray: Blub
bearsoulz0891 Resident does a fishy face
Bruce Mowbray: "familiar" -- I LIKE that!
Bruce Mowbray: A fox does a fishy face?
Bruce Mowbray: This can only mean one thing!
arabella Ella smiles
oO0Oo Resident: Hi Eliza
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Ara!
Mickorod Renard: Hi Eliza
Eliza Madrigal: Aloha everyone
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Eliza!
bearsoulz0891 Resident: wanna hear somethin funny?
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bruce :))
Bruce Mowbray: Oh yes!
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Bruce Mowbray: something funny.
Eliza Madrigal: :)
bearsoulz0891 Resident: I'm a banana :D
Mickorod Renard: yes bear
Santoshima Resident: ah, i see, a mindfuck among many other mindfuck
Santoshima Resident: www.momofuku.com/
Bruce Mowbray: Well, that sort of breaks you out of the usual roles, I suppose.
Mickorod Renard: he is quick for a banana
arabella Ella: Oh hiya Eliza great to see you!
Eliza Madrigal: :) you too... wouldn't be Christmas without your wearing your Santa hat
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hello Blub
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Bruce Mowbray: Blub waves a friendly fin.
Eliza Madrigal waves a fin back
Bruce Mowbray: :)
arabella Ella: i only just decided to put it on Eliza ... just remembered it might be appropriate for the season
Eliza Madrigal: :))
arabella Ella: had my first mince pies and mulled wine today
Eliza Madrigal: sounds lovely

--BELL--

oO0Oo Resident: :)
Bruce Mowbray: Oh! Wonderful!
arabella Ella: yes it was
Bruce Mowbray makes a note to get some hearty wine and spices.
Eliza Madrigal: mmm
bearsoulz0891 Resident: sorry about my banana dance
bearsoulz0891 Resident: and song
arabella Ella: mmmm
Mickorod Renard: Hi banana
Mickorod Renard: :)
bearsoulz0891 Resident: u didn't see it?
bearsoulz0891 Resident: wanna see it?
Bruce Mowbray: That's totally cool, Bear.
Mickorod Renard: love to
arabella Ella: saw it bear and no need to apologize i guess
Bruce Mowbray: Yes!
Bruce Mowbray: but come into view, please.
Bruce Mowbray: I see you now.
bearsoulz0891 Resident: ready?
Bruce Mowbray: OK. The Banana Dance!
Mickorod Renard: wow, i am impressed
bearsoulz0891 Resident: I'm a banana :D
arabella Ella: he he
Mickorod Renard: that's a sexy dance
Bruce Mowbray: Wol, you've arrived just in time!!!
Mickorod Renard: I may ask if you have a spare
Bruce Mowbray: ha ha ha ha ha
Eliza Madrigal: okay, apology accepted, lol (kidding)
Mickorod Renard: but that's a beautiful avi
Wol Euler: hello everyone
bearsoulz0891 Resident: xD, do u guys rear the song?
Mickorod Renard: Hi wol
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Wol :)
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, the fox is beautiful.
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, I heard the song.
arabella Ella: yes i hear the song
arabella Ella: is that you singing bear?
Bruce Mowbray: I'm a banana. . .
oO0Oo Resident: onigokko
arabella Ella: Hiya Wol!
bearsoulz0891 Resident: l!!!!!
Eliza Madrigal: stop
bearsoulz0891 Resident: lol!
oO0Oo Resident giggles
Eliza Madrigal: onigokko
Bruce Mowbray: wear your onigokko, Bear, and you can dance with us.
oO0Oo Resident giggles
Bruce Mowbray: (maybe)
bearsoulz0891 Resident: im good
Bruce Mowbray: cool.
oO0Oo Resident: Yippee!
Bruce Mowbray: stop
arabella Ella: before the next round of oni ...
Eliza Madrigal: wheeeeee that felt great
arabella Ella: gtg good night everyone!
Wol Euler: :)
Wol Euler: goodnight ara, take care
arabella Ella: and great to see you!
Bruce Mowbray: Bye, ara!!!!
bearsoulz0891 Resident: bye bye
Eliza Madrigal: Night ara always nice to see you
Mickorod Renard: nite Ara, sleep well
oO0Oo Resident: Arabella :) tc
Mickorod Renard: I must sneak away too folks
Mickorod Renard: thank you for being here
oO0Oo Resident: Bye Mick! tc
Eliza Madrigal: Night Mick :)) Thanks
Wol Euler: bye mick, take care
Wol Euler: dream well
Mickorod Renard: nite nite
Mickorod Renard: x
Bruce Mowbray: Actually, I also need to be going too. . . I've been here for over an hour and a half. . . seeking the meaning of "we" -- but will have some din din now.
Wol Euler: heh, I guess Dash was here?
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, nice Bruce :)) (((( ))))
oO0Oo Resident: :) Bruce
Eliza Madrigal: giggles
Wol Euler: bye Bruce, bon appetit
Bruce Mowbray: May we all be well, safe, and happy.
bearsoulz0891 Resident: bye bye bruce
oO0Oo Resident: hear hear!
Eliza Madrigal: wonders what it would be like if we all had to carry actual representations of our hobby horses
Wol Euler: some would have their arms full of dozens of them :)
Wol Euler: actually it might encourage us to give up some ...
Eliza Madrigal: perhaps so...
Wol Euler: when we knew everyone could see how ugly they were
Eliza Madrigal: maybe good 'group conference' exercise
Wol Euler nods.
Eliza Madrigal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83nS4EGKU04
Wol Euler: aaaah yes! that's the ad you were thinking of
Wol Euler: good memory, eliza :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
bearsoulz0891 Resident: anyone wanna go on a walky with me?
Eliza Madrigal: well strange how affected I am by that jobs book
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: i'd have to carry that around
Eliza Madrigal: bear have you seen the ice rink?
oO0Oo Resident: have a skating AO Bear?
Wol Euler nods.
Wol Euler: still reading it, I've got up to his return to Apple
oO0Oo Resident: saw a touching part in a PBS docu about Steve
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: yes?
oO0Oo Resident: One of his friends.. can't remember his name, but who he used to take walks with and chat...
oO0Oo Resident: was recounting how they walked together even when Steve was very ill..

--BELL--

oO0Oo Resident: the friend recommended that perhaps they return home, when Steve was visibly tired, but Steve said that he wished to continue to the park, which was the goal he had set for the walk that day.. to the park and back..
oO0Oo Resident: after talking on a bench in the park and returning
oO0Oo Resident: Steve said concertedly to his friend.. something like we will have many more walks like this, and many more conversations
oO0Oo Resident: the way the friend recounts the story.. he says that there were no more walks.. because Steve died, but it sounds like maybe he missed Steve's point.. which seemed to be suggesting a connection after his "death".. anyway.. in context it was very touching
oO0Oo Resident: [end]
Wol Euler nods.
Eliza Madrigal: that IS touching
Wol Euler: very
oO0Oo Resident: Eliza, I think I gave you a link for that one
Eliza Madrigal: yes, began that and didn't finish... maybe ought to :)
Eliza Madrigal: you know...
Eliza Madrigal: thinking...
oO0Oo Resident: Steve had that kind of courage to imagine how to work past his own lifetime
Eliza Madrigal: the same applies with people who may still be alive but unavailable or distance for whatever reason
Eliza Madrigal: I've had conversations with people on benches that weren't there for sure :)
Wol Euler smiles.
Wol Euler: they can be great discussions
Eliza Madrigal: pema says similar of scientists... working at things that may not unpack for generations... it is a kind of non-ownership?
oO0Oo Resident: or non-identification with?
Eliza Madrigal: or collective sense, hmm
oO0Oo Resident: seven generations
Wol Euler counts on her fingers
Eliza Madrigal: hehe
oO0Oo Resident: generosity in its pure form, never asks for *anything* in return
Eliza Madrigal: and yet competition within that larger context can be included...
oO0Oo Resident: me ponders that and smiles
Eliza Madrigal: somehow I keep thinking of the jeff bezos kindness v gifts talk at Princeton... may have to watch that again
Eliza Madrigal: have you all seen it?
Wol Euler: I believe I did, yes; it rings bells
Eliza Madrigal: I've posted it a lot... hah, broken record :)
Wol Euler: heheh
Eliza Madrigal: would have to carry that too
Wol Euler smiles.
Wol Euler: that's a budgie on your shoulder, not a hobbyhorse
oO0Oo Resident: think this is snippet from larger address: http://is.gd/hivyxl
Wol Euler: no weight, hands not full
Eliza Madrigal grins
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: clicks, thanks sam
 
--BELL--

oO0Oo Resident: ***"harder to be kind, than clever"***
Wol Euler nods.
Eliza Madrigal: somehow seems so important in our time... coming back to basics, choosing manners even though we think we don't need them, etc
oO0Oo Resident: "all the curious from the ages"
Eliza Madrigal: anyway, thanks for the indulgence :)
Wol Euler smiles.
Wol Euler: thank you for reminding us (me) of it
Eliza Madrigal passes around blueberry pie
Wol Euler: and some damned fine coffee?
Wol Euler: no, that was cherry pie
Eliza Madrigal: :)
oO0Oo Resident looks softly at Eliza and Wol... in this company I am truly among exemplars
Wol Euler gets suddenly teary and has to blink a lot
oO0Oo Resident: me sips coffee
oO0Oo Resident: mmm nice pie
Wol Euler: thank you, eliza, my favourite pie
Eliza Madrigal: :)distinct aroma that coffee...
Eliza Madrigal feels smiley
Wol Euler: coming back to Steve and the walk after he died ...
Wol Euler: walks*
oO0Oo Resident has been pouring milk first, before coffee, ever since Wol's epiphany :)
Wol Euler: awwwwwwwwwwwwww <3
Eliza Madrigal: :)
oO0Oo Resident listens
Wol Euler is absurdly pleased and touched by that
Eliza Madrigal: :))
oO0Oo Resident: it just works LOL
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Wol Euler: but it took me four decades to discover
Wol Euler: well, call it three and a half
oO0Oo Resident laughs
oO0Oo Resident: shortcuts to collective wisdom
Wol Euler: the clever person learns from their mistakes; the wise person from the mistakes of others
Wol Euler: or indeed the epiphanies of others
Eliza Madrigal resists making RL coffee now
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Wol Euler: :)
oO0Oo Resident: :)
oO0Oo Resident smells freshly ground coffee beans
Wol Euler: my therapist told me once that the people who were in our lives never leave it
Wol Euler: as long as we remember they are with us
Wol Euler: she meant that in the context of me separating off from her, to move to germany
Wol Euler: and wondering how I'd get on
Wol Euler: without our sessions
Eliza Madrigal: mmm
oO0Oo Resident: Yes Wol! Think that is what Steve was saying too.
Wol Euler: her point was that I could simply ask her :) ask my recollection of her for advice
oO0Oo Resident: :)
oO0Oo Resident: so nice
Eliza Madrigal: feel that's *true* - beautiful, Wol
Wol Euler nods and smiles
--BELL--
Wol Euler: there is another aspect, which steve surely didn'T mean :)
Wol Euler: sometihng that I've started to notice now that I have the PostSecret app on my iPod
Wol Euler: it increases by a power of ten or more the number of secrets per week
Wol Euler: so patterns become easier to see
Wol Euler: one pattern that fascinates me is this: "my dead [whoever] spoke to me and saved my life"
Wol Euler: there is one or more of those every week
oO0Oo Resident: wow
Wol Euler: yeah
Eliza Madrigal: hmm
Wol Euler: "my best friend died in a car crash. driving along the bridge last week, I heard her tell me to change lanes, so I did, and a second later a truck blew out a tire swerved right (where I had been) and on to the guardrail. My kids and I would have been killed."
Wol Euler: there's one of those a week.
Wol Euler: it's amazing
Wol Euler: they can't all be delusional :)
Wol Euler: not so many people
Wol Euler: this clearly happens every day
Wol Euler: "I heard my dead father whistling in the kitchen, so I went downstairs to see. the stove was on fire"
oO0Oo Resident: nods
Eliza Madrigal: have you ever been woken by a voice or just knowing that you should check email or some such? seems similar...
Qt Core: Hi
Wol Euler: hello qt
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Qt :))
oO0Oo Resident: open to the hints that are koans and graces
Wol Euler: I've had a contact like that, but with a living person not dead
oO0Oo Resident: Hi Qt :)
Eliza Madrigal: yes... I'm like that too... rarely dream about someone who has died for instance...
Eliza Madrigal: though I know some who do all the time
Eliza Madrigal: I keep sort of looking for my great grandmother :)
Wol Euler smiles.
oO0Oo Resident: she is a meme of sorts then
Wol Euler: heh, yes
Eliza Madrigal: :) well i wonder if I will be five or six when she does come
oO0Oo Resident was enjoying Bear frolicking around silently (says a retro goodbye)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Qt Core: wow, the 1am session is still going (right ?)
Wol Euler: mmhmm
oO0Oo Resident: 1300 1 PM
Wol Euler: ah, yes )
Eliza Madrigal: oh dear, yes not 1am
Qt Core: yes pm
Eliza Madrigal: :) if so no wonder I feel loopy
Wol Euler: heheh
oO0Oo Resident: you look great!
Wol Euler: actually I should go :( have to be at work earlyish tomorrow / today
Eliza Madrigal holds her composure while carrying large book, video, meme...
oO0Oo Resident: we'll be in your morning coffee :)))
Wol Euler: hobby horse
Wol Euler: cuddly toy
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Wol Euler: juggling things
Wol Euler smiles.
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Eliza Madrigal: Oh... how many days til work finished?
Qt Core: 'night Wol, then
Wol Euler: ah :) finished on friday, I sincerely hope
--BELL--
Wol Euler: meeting on saturday at the christmas market downtown but that won't be work
oO0Oo Resident: :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Wol Euler: heheheheheh
Wol Euler: cute
oO0Oo Resident: echo came first.. how odd
Wol Euler: anyway, goodnight! sweet dreams
Eliza Madrigal: Night Wol
Eliza Madrigal: be well
oO0Oo Resident: night Wol.. schlaf good
Eliza Madrigal: weeeeee
Wol Euler: dankeschün!
oO0Oo Resident: good with the blades Woly is...
Eliza Madrigal: echo first, time flowing backwards
Eliza Madrigal: How is life Qt? nice to see you
Qt Core: :-) dealing with a big cold, nice to see you too
oO0Oo Resident: I'll pop away too.. Qt :), Eliza :)
Eliza Madrigal: ack... no fun...
Qt Core: bye Sam
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Sam... cute stockings
oO0Oo Resident: (((Ot)))
Eliza Madrigal: I've had too many colds this year... sure sign of needing better sleep I think
Qt Core: ouch, if i would have colds tied to non-sleep i would have lost my nose years ago
Eliza Madrigal: :) well immune system seems to recharge in deep sleep
Eliza Madrigal: not that I have science for that, just seems that way to me
Qt Core: yes, i agree, rest is only one of the things that happen while sleeping
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Qt Core: maybe so much things are happening that we would not be able to do them all if awoke
Qt Core: (almost kidding here... or not ?)
Eliza Madrigal: that's the silly thing, we push ourselves often, as though it doesn't come from somewhere
Eliza Madrigal: must replenish :)
Eliza Madrigal: have you been busier lately...
Eliza Madrigal: ?
Qt Core: no, only less social
Eliza Madrigal: ah, down times...
Qt Core: yes, mostly famili stress
Eliza Madrigal: oh sorry to hear that
Eliza Madrigal: but good to find support in such times too
Eliza Madrigal: even silliness
Qt Core: is he ? not really easier to spell...
Eliza Madrigal: :)
--BELL--
Qt Core: i've s;ept to much in the afternoon, don't know if/when i'll sleep tonight (speaking about sane sleep practices)
Eliza Madrigal: :) warm tumeric milk...
Eliza Madrigal: good for both colds and sleep somehow
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: nice to see you qt... hope to see you again soon
Eliza Madrigal: feel better
Qt Core: i'try ;-) bye Eliza
Eliza Madrigal: ice skating might help :)